Roy Witt wrote to Ward Dossche <=-
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Funny, the American Medical Association and all the doctors on the
site you plagerized seem to agree with me that fertilization can
occur while a woman takes the pill.
The pill isn't fail-safe. The wrapper inside the packaging says so.
Of course, Bill didn't supply any MDA source to back up his
information, so his is a doubtful statement at best. Watch, he'll
come up with something from his wiki homepage and call it legit.
Roy, you need to go back and take a refresher course on reading comprehension. IF you got your head out of your ass you'd have seen I referenced a doctor on the very site that Tim plagerized,
WebMd and the doctor reiterated my position that the pill is not a
100% guarantee the egg won't get fertilized.
Do you now doubt the words of a learned professional in the field of medicine?
The manufacturers describe what is in their pill, what it does and
the theory of how it works to use it to prevent a pregnancy.
Planned Parenthood warns that if you don't take your BC pill
everyday at the same time of day, 1-in-100 of those who don't may
get pregnant each year. Not will, but maybe.
Oh, now you're quoting planned parenthood.
Guess when they suit your needs you'll use them.
How convinent. I'll need to remember that the next time you say
planned parenthood are just another liberal backed socialistic
program.
If you follow the manufacturer's instructions, your chances of
getting pregnant are nill. Those are pretty good odds in my book.
And as they describe the theory, the pill prevents ovulation, as Tim
has already said.
Nill? The physician
said there was a possible 5% chance a woman could become pregnant
while using the pill.
If you further read the link I posted to Tim,
I wonder when you were a machinist if you would have told your boss
the part you just made had a nill chance of not fitting.
Were/are you that type of machinist Roy? If so, I'd never use you.
www.plannedparenthood.org
You've administered pills ...
Actually, what he did without the proper knowledge or training, is
to
You don't know that, since Tim hasn't said so.
I know where Tim worked (Grossmont Hospital in La Mesa, CA or one of
their campus') and have had the opportunity to witness such
procedures by other 'technicians' in that field.
See, in the USA, we have doctors, RN (nurses), LVNs and 'pink
ladies' as they were called there because they wore pink outfits and
were not of the medical field, just technicians that administered
meds among their other duties as such.
I'd say that if they can read plain English (if you can call a
doctor's writing as such), they're following a Doctor's prescribed
medication order for him. Which they are allowed to do by state law.
administer a product for which he's not licensed and of which the
hormone imbalance can have lethal effects.
What Tim did was follow instructions given to him that were in
compliance with California state law and his employer. Been there,
done that, have the T shirt.
I agreed with what you said regarding Tim's administering the pills according to the physicians orders but the fact remains, the
possibility of a fertilized egg being expelled due to the
inhospitality of the uterus,
Tim should have, according to Tim's own beliefs, recused himself due
to morality grounds according to the 1st Amendment he tosses so
freely around.
That was my point and it is fact as stated by Tim. Spin it all you
like Roy is not going to change the facts.
The hormone imbalance you speak of is for a doctor to assess and no
one else. In any case, the PILL is as safe to use as an aspirin, no
license required to administer, just a Doctor's prescribed written
order on a patient's chart. The procedure may differ in Belgum, but
that's how it works in California.
I agree.... things maybe different in Belgium.
Roy Witt wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-
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Greetings Bill!
Roy Witt wrote to Ward Dossche <=-
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Is this shit necessary^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Funny, the American Medical Association and all the doctors on the
site you plagerized seem to agree with me that fertilization can
occur while a woman takes the pill.
The pill isn't fail-safe. The wrapper inside the packaging says so.
Of course, Bill didn't supply any MDA source to back up his
information, so his is a doubtful statement at best. Watch, he'll
come up with something from his wiki homepage and call it legit.
Roy, you need to go back and take a refresher course on reading comprehension. IF you got your head out of your ass you'd have seen I referenced a doctor on the very site that Tim plagerized,
Tim didn't plagerize that site, he used " ", nor did you supply a link
to what you were babbling on about.
WebMd and the doctor reiterated my position that the pill is not a
100% guarantee the egg won't get fertilized.
Without a link, this is just blowing in the wind.
Do you now doubt the words of a learned professional in the field of medicine?
Without a link to the actual statement, coming from you, I would doubt that the moon isn't made of cheese if you said so.
The manufacturers describe what is in their pill, what it does and
the theory of how it works to use it to prevent a pregnancy.
Planned Parenthood warns that if you don't take your BC pill
everyday at the same time of day, 1-in-100 of those who don't may
get pregnant each year. Not will, but maybe.
Oh, now you're quoting planned parenthood.
And offering a link to what they have to say about it. You haven't and
you never have.
Guess when they suit your needs you'll use them.
Since they're of your own ilk, how can you doubt their word?
How convinent. I'll need to remember that the next time you say
planned parenthood are just another liberal backed socialistic
program.
It is...but you aren't going to say anything against their liberal
backing or their suggestions on BC because that's, well, you.
If you follow the manufacturer's instructions, your chances of
getting pregnant are nill. Those are pretty good odds in my book.
And as they describe the theory, the pill prevents ovulation, as Tim
has already said.
Nill? The physician
What physician?
said there was a possible 5% chance a woman could become pregnant
while using the pill.
To reiterate, when using the pill as prescribed...If you take it willy-nilly, then your chances are more than 5% that you will.
If you further read the link I posted to Tim,
You didn't post any link, period.
I wonder when you were a machinist if you would have told your boss
the part you just made had a nill chance of not fitting.
Been there, done that. Got a partnership on a pattent for my effort.
Were/are you that type of machinist Roy? If so, I'd never use you.
If you want it to be right, you would want to use me as your machinist, I'm a perfectionist in that regard. I wouldn't want you as a customer,
but that's beside the point.
www.plannedparenthood.org
You've administered pills ...
Actually, what he did without the proper knowledge or training, is
to
You don't know that, since Tim hasn't said so.
I know where Tim worked (Grossmont Hospital in La Mesa, CA or one of
their campus') and have had the opportunity to witness such
procedures by other 'technicians' in that field.
See, in the USA, we have doctors, RN (nurses), LVNs and 'pink
ladies' as they were called there because they wore pink outfits and
were not of the medical field, just technicians that administered
meds among their other duties as such.
I'd say that if they can read plain English (if you can call a
doctor's writing as such), they're following a Doctor's prescribed
medication order for him. Which they are allowed to do by state law.
administer a product for which he's not licensed and of which the
hormone imbalance can have lethal effects.
What Tim did was follow instructions given to him that were in
compliance with California state law and his employer. Been there,
done that, have the T shirt.
I agreed with what you said regarding Tim's administering the pills according to the physicians orders but the fact remains, the
possibility of a fertilized egg being expelled due to the
inhospitality of the uterus,
Of course, there isn't much possibility of that happening, unless the
egg was fertilized before she began to take the pill. Once the pill is
in her system, the hormones in it will stop ovulation.
Tim should have, according to Tim's own beliefs, recused himself due
to morality grounds according to the 1st Amendment he tosses so
freely around.
Since Tim was there and you weren't, he fully knows how the pill works
and he also knows that issuing that pill to a patient is what the
doctor ordered, not Tim.
It's kinda like when your ancestors were told to pay their debt or go
to debtors prison, they didn't get out of prison until the debt was
paid. If they fled to America, that didn't excuse the debt. If they
were found in the colonies, they were sent back to debtors prison. The only person who didn't go to debtors prison was the person who handed
you the goods or money.
That was my point and it is fact as stated by Tim. Spin it all you
like Roy is not going to change the facts.
Anything that Tim had to say about it is according to what I know as a California citizen who has worked with doctors in prescribing meds to their patients. It is not up to Tim or I to go against doctor's orders. And his employer will enforce that, if he doesn't.
The hormone imbalance you speak of is for a doctor to assess and no
one else. In any case, the PILL is as safe to use as an aspirin, no
license required to administer, just a Doctor's prescribed written
order on a patient's chart. The procedure may differ in Belgum, but
that's how it works in California.
I agree.... things maybe different in Belgium.
You only agree because you know that you've been wrong all along.
Roy, you need to go back and take a refresher course on reading comprehension. IF you got your head out of your ass you'd have seen I referenced a doctor on the very site that Tim plagerized,
Tim didn't plagerize that site, he used " ", nor did you supply a link to RW>what you were babbling on about.
WebMd and the doctor reiterated my position that the pill is not a
100% guarantee the egg won't get fertilized.
Without a link, this is just blowing in the wind.
Do you now doubt the words of a learned professional in the field of medicine?
Without a link to the actual statement, coming from you, I would doubt RW>that the moon isn't made of cheese if you said so.
The manufacturers describe what is in their pill, what it does and
the theory of how it works to use it to prevent a pregnancy.
Planned Parenthood warns that if you don't take your BC pill
everyday at the same time of day, 1-in-100 of those who don't may
get pregnant each year. Not will, but maybe.
Oh, now you're quoting planned parenthood.
And offering a link to what they have to say about it. You haven't and you RW>never have.
Guess when they suit your needs you'll use them.
Since they're of your own ilk, how can you doubt their word?
How convinent. I'll need to remember that the next time you say
planned parenthood are just another liberal backed socialistic
program.
Tim should have, according to Tim's own beliefs, recused himself due
to morality grounds according to the 1st Amendment he tosses so
freely around.
TIM RICHARDSON wrote to BILL MCGARRITY <=-
@MSGID: <534EECB9.198.2debate@tequilamockingbirdonline.net>
@TZ: 40f0
On 04-15-14, ROY WITT said to BILL MCGARRITY:
Roy, you need to go back and take a refresher course on reading comprehension. IF you got your head out of your ass you'd have seen I referenced a doctor on the very site that Tim plagerized,
*Tim* didn't "...plagiarize..." anything! I was ``quoting'' an
authority on the subject. *You* are no such authority, on ANY subject!
Tim didn't plagerize that site, he used " ", nor did you supply a link to
what you were babbling on about.
WebMd and the doctor reiterated my position that the pill is not a
100% guarantee the egg won't get fertilized.
Without a link, this is just blowing in the wind.
Do you now doubt the words of a learned professional in the field of medicine?
A "WebMd"? You are saying you are quoting a "WebMd"?
Without a link to the actual statement, coming from you, I would doubt
that the moon isn't made of cheese if you said so.
The manufacturers describe what is in their pill, what it does and
the theory of how it works to use it to prevent a pregnancy.
Planned Parenthood warns that if you don't take your BC pill
everyday at the same time of day, 1-in-100 of those who don't may
get pregnant each year. Not will, but maybe.
Oh, now you're quoting planned parenthood.
Planned Parenthood claims to be `an authority'. In fact..Planned Parenthood SUPPORTS your oft-stated position; abortion without restriction.
And offering a link to what they have to say about it. You haven't and you
never have.
Guess when they suit your needs you'll use them.
You use all sorts of sources you never even name!
Since they're of your own ilk, how can you doubt their word?
How convinent. I'll need to remember that the next time you said
planned parenthood are just another liberal backed socialistic
program.
Thats exactly what it is. Its an abortion mill. And one day I fully
expect that horror stories that rival or surpass what was revealed
about Gosnell's death camp, will surface about Planned Parenthood,
which the democrat leftists have been financing with taxpayers money!
Tim should have, according to Tim's own beliefs, recused himself due
to morality grounds according to the 1st Amendment he tosses so
freely around.
*You* have not the slightest notion what *Tim's own beliefs* are. I
have never discussed any of my `beliefs' with you, or anyone else in
Fido.
This is a silly attempt on your part to play a `gotcha' on me over abortion.
You've dragged it over about three Fido echoes now, and you have no
more validity in the matter here than you had in the other two echoes.
You didn't `gotcha' anybody over it. You're just continuing to make yourself look sillier and sillier. You tried to hit me over it using religion, which you thought I would be a strong adherent to. You were proven wrong! Fact is...if it were up to me, no religion would exist!
Or are you so blind that you do not see that we are being treated to
the modern-day version of the `Spanish Inquisition'?
Only the religion involved now is not radical Catholicism...its radical Islam?
There's no getting around the fact that there are over 50 million
VICTIMS of abortion.
The best of all birth controls is `abstinance'!
The SECOND best birth control is the use of the MANY methods, both pill form and contraceptive device, available to prevent a pregnancy!
You and your fellow cadre who are so supportive of `a woman's right to abortion', have not answered the one question I've asked over and over again for many years on this subject:
If a woman is so weak-minded...so scatter-brained...so wrapped up in
her `emotions' that she can't take a single, in-expensive pill each
day, AS directed on the freekin' package, or make sure her sex partner uses a condom.. ...what makes anybody think she's smart enough to make
a life-or-death decision for a human baby?
For that matter...what makes anyone think she's smart enough to make
the decision to have sex relations in the first place!
Its been said many times, by many feminists and TV talk-show hosts;
making the decision to have sex with a male of her choice is an
important decision for a woman!
The decision to end the life of a baby forming in the womb is even MORE important!
And neither you, nor any other strong supporter of a woman's *right* to abortion...can get around that!
Oh, now you're quoting planned parenthood.
On 04-16-14, BILL MCGARRITY said to ROY WITT:
Oh, now you're quoting planned parenthood.
Incidently....speaking of Planned Parenthood...
On 04-16-14, BILL MCGARRITY said to ROY WITT:
Oh, now you're quoting planned parenthood.
Incidently....speaking of Planned Parenthood...
I am going to assume posting in this echo was an error. Please
desist.
Roy, you need to go back and take a refresher course on reading comprehension. IF you got your head out of your ass you'd have seen I referenced a doctor on the very site that Tim plagerized,
*Tim* didn't "...plagiarize..." anything! I was ``quoting'' an
authority on the subject. *You* are no such authority, on ANY subject!
Then post a link you used.
Thats exactly what it is. Its an abortion mill. And one day I fully
expect that horror stories that rival or surpass what was revealed
about Gosnell's death camp, will surface about Planned Parenthood,
which the democrat leftists have been financing with taxpayers money!
Gosnell again... is that all you got?
I told you 4 days ago no one doubts
Gosnell was an animal.
And trust me, if the GOP gets it's way and repeals
Roe v Wade, you think Gosnell was an animal? Wait till you see al those BM>botched back alley ones. You should know better than anyone what went on BM>before Roe v Wade.
Tim should have, according to Tim's own beliefs, recused himself due
to morality grounds according to the 1st Amendment he tosses so
freely around.
*You* have not the slightest notion what *Tim's own beliefs* are. I
have never discussed any of my `beliefs' with you, or anyone else in
Fido.
LOL... you've only been preaching them over and over... good Lord man. BM>Are you senile now?
This is a silly attempt on your part to play a `gotcha' on me over abortion.
You've dragged it over about three Fido echoes now, and you have no
more validity in the matter here than you had in the other two echoes.
You didn't `gotcha' anybody over it. You're just continuing to make yourself look sillier and sillier. You tried to hit me over it using religion, which you thought I would be a strong adherent to. You were proven wrong! Fact is...if it were up to me, no religion would exist!
Or are you so blind that you do not see that we are being treated to
the modern-day version of the `Spanish Inquisition'?
The post I made in Fido Sysops was a mistake, I apologized and being you BM>don't have access to there told Roy to forward it to you. Roy then posted BM>it in DEBATE.... not me.
Only the religion involved now is not radical Catholicism...its radical Islam?
Radical being the key word.
There's no getting around the fact that there are over 50 million
VICTIMS of abortion.
The best of all birth controls is `abstinance'!
Agreed. Now understand, by that simple statement you agree that while a BM>woman is on birth control there is a possibility an egg can get BM>fertilized.
The SECOND best birth control is the use of the MANY
methods, both pill form and contraceptive device, available to prevent
a pregnancy!
Correct, and one of the ways is to make the lining of the
uterus inhospitable for a fertilized egg.
You and your fellow cadre who are so supportive of `a woman's right to abortion', have not answered the one question I've asked over and over again for many years on this subject:
If a woman is so weak-minded...so scatter-brained...so wrapped up in
her `emotions' that she can't take a single, in-expensive pill each
day, AS directed on the freekin' package, or make sure her sex partner
uses a condom.. ...what makes anybody think she's smart enough to make
a life-or-death decision for a human baby?
That's not what we were discussing.
The discussion was YOU administered birth control pills thus going against BM>your morals when it comes to terminating a life,
TIM RICHARDSON wrote to BILL MCGARRITY <=-
TIM RICHARDSON wrote to BILL MCGARRITY <=-
Two things and I'll not be bothering you again.
Firstly, it was not I who posted or as your say "dragged" you into this BM>echo, it was Roy. Talk to him.
Secondly, I don't care what you believe in or what you do or how you do BM>it.
To me you're a non-entity just as I maybe to you, so let's cut the BM>bullshit and just say fuck you to each other and leave it at that.
Have a good live
On 04-17-14, BILL MCGARRITY said to TIM RICHARDSON:
TIM RICHARDSON wrote to BILL MCGARRITY <=-
Two things and I'll not be bothering you again.
Firstly, it was not I who posted or as your say "dragged" you into this BM>>echo, it was Roy. Talk to him.
See...you got a couple of problems with dragging this into
this echo.
Firstly...you know for a fact that Klahn has me on
permanent ban from this echo. So you brought my name up in
here *thinking* you'd blab your little tale and I wouldn't
be able to respond. You're wrong! I made an agreement with
Klahn that, for me to stay out of this echo...neither my
name NOR any sly little references to anything I'm involved
in elsewhere, gets brought up in here.
Right now I imagine Klahn's rethinking the wisdom of
allowing you to be a poster in here, `cause you're dragging
your `flame war' from other echoes into this one. And Klahn
The post I made in Fido Sysops was a mistake, I apologized and being you BM>>don't have access to there told Roy to forward it to you. Roy then posted BM>>it in DEBATE.... not me.
By the way...you brought this into the wrong echo if you
think Klahn's gonna be on *your* side in these two
controversies.
...
See...you got a couple of problems with dragging this into
this echo.
Firstly...you know for a fact that Klahn has me on
permanent ban from this echo. So you brought my name up in
here *thinking* you'd blab your little tale and I wouldn't
be able to respond. You're wrong!
I made an agreement with
Klahn that, for me to stay out of this echo...neither my
name NOR any sly little references to anything I'm involved
in elsewhere, gets brought up in here.
And you just lied.
I made an agreement with
Klahn that, for me to stay out of this echo...neither my
name NOR any sly little references to anything I'm involved
in elsewhere, gets brought up in here.
And you just lied.
No I didn't. Those are MY rules and conditions for staying
out of your echo.
Comply with them or expect me to be a regular poster in
here!
...
I made an agreement with
Klahn that, for me to stay out of this echo...neither my
name NOR any sly little references to anything I'm involved
in elsewhere, gets brought up in here.
And you just lied.
No I didn't. Those are MY rules and conditions for staying
out of your echo.
You said we had an agreement. That was a lie.
Comply with them or expect me to be a regular poster in
here!
You appear to have suffered brain damage, you are getting nasty
and hostile, which often goes with a stroke. Get yourself
checked out.
Until then, you know damn well I do not allow discussion of
peopel banned from the echo. You know damned well I enforce
those rules.
Stop trying to turn all of Fidonet into a sewer.
I made an agreement with
Klahn that, for me to stay out of this echo...neither my
name NOR any sly little references to anything I'm involved
in elsewhere, gets brought up in here.
And you just lied.
No I didn't. Those are MY rules and conditions for staying
out of your echo.
Comply with them or expect me to be a regular poster in
here!
...
I made an agreement with
Klahn that, for me to stay out of this echo...neither my
name NOR any sly little references to anything I'm involved
in elsewhere, gets brought up in here.
And you just lied.
No I didn't. Those are MY rules and conditions for staying
out of your echo.
You said we had an agreement. That was a lie.
Comply with them or expect me to be a regular poster in
here!
You appear to have suffered brain damage, you are getting nasty
and hostile, which often goes with a stroke.
Get yourself checked out.
Until then, you know damn well I do not allow discussion of
peopel banned from the echo. You know damned well I enforce
those rules.
Stop trying to turn all of Fidonet into a sewer.
As the moderator I am allowed to post to anyone posing in the
echo.
And yet, when Klahn is on the other end of that, he whines
something fierce.
Earl lied.
I am not the one pretending to be above the rules.
Finally a true statement! He doesn't "pretend" to be above
the rules in his echo. He officially PLACES himself above
the rules! He posts to and about banned people, he posts
Earl lies.
insults, and he tosses around the word "lie." He also
Not in Debate.
probably violates his "echo sabotage" rule, but it is so
incoherent that it cannot really be called a "rule." It is
just an excuse.
Earl want's to destroy
* Original to: Roy Witt
cc:Earl Croasmun
Yes, he is moderating your echo.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Greetings Dumbfuck ROY!
Why is he now moderating your echo?
Where do you see 'moderator' in anything I've said here?
Your actions.
Complaining about people telling you to fuck off seems to
be your only calling in life. Get out of here while you
still can. 2nd warning.
And that is moderating his echo.
CC: Ed Koon
BTW, I liked Fido in 1995, but now the flamers are getting more
and more in control.
You're the only flamer I see here...get out while you can.
1st warning.
Have a day!
BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn
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