On 15/10/2020 12:01 p.m., Charles Pierson : Tommi Koivula wrote:

If successful, Theoretically I would have 6 connections to
this Echo/Group, not including any BBSes I might log on to
testing out Telnet clients.

Nothing wrong with that. You're experimenting to see what might be a
better solution.

Myself, I have about 3 vectors into an echo. They all have advantages.

Unfortunately, perhaps, my knack for finding issues, which
has worked for me in past careers, is working against me.

You're encountering new things and they behave with some puzzlement.
Not all puzzles are easily solved.

...Another Android NNTP reader, which I sent
the original message out through, has yet to show any
inbound messages.

The one you posted using a new Android reader got delivered. But are
you saying that the same echo content is not showing up in that
reader when you connecting to the SAME bbs?

Another connection, the Veleno BBS's Web Point system,
isn't really Phone/Tablet friendly, but I've managed to
access it. But although I have managed to successfully
send out a couple of netmails, nothing I've sent to echos
has arrived, nor have any messages arrived from those
echoes.

Messages into and out of Veleno (based in Italy) seem to be
unpredictable in timing. Maybe things operate at a much slower pace
in that country.

My Z4 point, I gave myself a problem with. HotdogEd has a
known bug which can hang some packets in memory somewhere,
and keep tossing those messages out.

That's a great find! So.. your efforts are not totally fruitless.
If that was me, the bug would annoy me. But you do have other options.

While going through
the suggested steps to clear it, without rooting my phone,
I accidentally managed to unlink from most echos without
realizing.

That's not so good. BUT, now you know what you did. That's good!

Why would I do this? I'm a certifiable lunatic.

You're an investigator / problem-solver at heart.

Actually, I like testing things, seeing what's available.
If I could find a good Telnet app for Android with Y or Z
modem capability and an OLMR for Android, I'd try that as
well.

I've looked around the net for something too. There seems to be
several that claim to work well. I can't imagine why Y & Z modem
would be high on an app programmer's list. Direct http:// links to
files makes more sense in these modern apps. But an olmr feature for
messages would be smart. Olmr works with Telegram, sorta.

search has some RSS and Forum readers in it. So a vague
idea I had years ago came back to me. Why couldn't a Web
Forum work as an FTN style network node?

An RSS feed for an echo would be interesting. But RSS seems be
broken in modern web browsers. The newer Firefox version on Win7
doesn't support it properly. But it works ok on my XP machines.
Therefore, not sure if RSS would be a selling point advantage for
new people who have the latest programs and new pcs.

So, I start web
searching forum software, and I see that, theoretically it
could be done. At least one of the forum programs that I
looked at had the capability to connect with Usenet and
email lists. So, if that is possible, and FTN networks can
be gated to both Usenet and email lists, it should work.

Synchronet bbs software provides a forum-like webby interface
option. Some BBSes use it. Apparently it looks and operates quite
well on a smartphone/tablet.

Did I mention I'm running in 2 hours of sleep in 3 days?

Sleep can be so overrated when the mind is racing.

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BTW.. this echo is availabe on Telegram for your tablet/smartphone.
Install Telegram, then PM @aabolins or https://t.me/aabolins.

https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/future4fido/ https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/

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Hello, August Abolins.
On 10/15/20 8:55 PM you wrote:

If successful, Theoretically I would have 6 connections to this
Echo/Group, not including any BBSes I might log on to testing out
Telnet clients.

Nothing wrong with that. You're experimenting to see what might be
a better solution.

Basically, yes. But it's also just a pure "what's out there" kind of thing.

Unfortunately, perhaps, my knack for finding issues, which has
worked for me in past careers, is working against me.

You're encountering new things and they behave with some
puzzlement. Not all puzzles are easily solved.

At this juncture, it's more frustration than puzzlement. Other than Stas's bot, none of it is particularly new, and should work. Unless I'm the first person in years of the programs being around to run into the issues I have. Which honestly is highly unlikely.

...Another Android NNTP reader, which I sent the original message
out through, has yet to show any inbound messages.

The one you posted using a new Android reader got delivered. But
are you saying that the same echo content is not showing up in
that reader when you connecting to the SAME bbs?

Exactly. I use that exclusively for rbb.fidonet.fi .

While there hasn't been a lot of traffic in 12 hours or so, there has been some.

Another connection, the Veleno BBS's Web Point system, isn't
really Phone/Tablet friendly, but I've managed to access it. But
although I have managed to successfully send out a couple of
netmails, nothing I've sent to echos has arrived, nor have any
messages arrived from those echoes.

Messages into and out of Veleno (based in Italy) seem to be
unpredictable in timing. Maybe things operate at a much slower
pace in that country.

That's possible, but odd that you are receiving something, but I'm not.

My Z4 point, I gave myself a problem with. HotdogEd has a known
bug which can hang some packets in memory somewhere, and keep
tossing those messages out.

That's a great find! So.. your efforts are not totally fruitless.
If that was me, the bug would annoy me. But you do have other
options.

The bug is a known bug, that hasn't been addressed. The solutions for a work around come from the FAQ.

It's annoying, but there are only 2-3 messages involved. So it's not a major problem.

While going through the suggested steps to clear it, without
rooting my phone, I accidentally managed to unlink from most
echos without realizing.

That's not so good. BUT, now you know what you did. That's good!

Hopefully. I resubscribed last night. But no confirmation from Areafix as of yet.

Why would I do this? I'm a certifiable lunatic.

You're an investigator / problem-solver at heart.

Partially correct reason.

Actually, I like testing things, seeing what's available. If I
could find a good Telnet app for Android with Y or Z modem
capability and an OLMR for Android, I'd try that as well.

I've looked around the net for something too. There seems to be
several that claim to work well. I can't imagine why Y & Z modem
would be high on an app programmer's list. Direct http:// links to
files makes more sense in these modern apps. But an olmr feature
for messages would be smart. Olmr works with Telegram, sorta.

Y and Z modem are a standard for BBS. If you advertise your Telnet app for BBSes, you should have the capability there.
As far as direct links? That's not really practical for QWK or Bluewave packets. Those are going to be customized files for each user.

search has some RSS and Forum readers in it. So a vague idea I
had years ago came back to me. Why couldn't a Web Forum work as
an FTN style network node?

An RSS feed for an echo would be interesting. But RSS seems be
broken in modern web browsers. The newer Firefox version on Win7
doesn't support it properly. But it works ok on my XP machines. Therefore, not sure if RSS would be a selling point advantage for
new people who have the latest programs and new pcs.

I wasn't even considering RSS for echos, I only mentioned that because it came up in my NNTP search on Google Play.

So, I start web searching forum software, and I see that,
theoretically it could be done. At least one of the forum
programs that I looked at had the capability to connect with
Usenet and email lists. So, if that is possible, and FTN networks
can be gated to both Usenet and email lists, it should work.

Synchronet bbs software provides a forum-like webby interface
option. Some BBSes use it. Apparently it looks and operates
quite well on a smartphone/tablet.

I know there are some that have the capability. But I was actually thinking of operating on a cloud server type thing.

Did I mention I'm running in 2 hours of sleep in 3 days?

Sleep can be so overrated when the mind is racing.

Been that way for years.


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On 16/10/2020 3:02 p.m., Charles Pierson : Alan Ianson wrote:

I use hotdoged with IPv4 and it works as expected. I have
found that hotdoged works with mailers that have a CRAM-
MD5 handshake but not with mailers that don't support it,
like BBBS. I'm not certain of that, that's just what
appeared to be happening.

It's possible. I'm not sure.

Does Hotdoged provide a logfile file that you can investigate? Maybe
you can notice some consistencies with CRAM-MD5 when polling
specific systems.


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../|ug

BTW.. this echo is availabe on Telegram for your tablet/smartphone.
Install Telegram, then PM @aabolins or https://t.me/aabolins.

https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/future4fido/ https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/

--- TB(Stealth)/Win7
* Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)

Hello, August Abolins.
On 10/17/20 5:32 PM you wrote:

Does Hotdoged provide a logfile file that you can investigate?
Maybe you can notice some consistencies with CRAM-MD5 when polling specific systems.

The only log I have been able to access so far is when I get an error message during polling. And then only with the point system.

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* Origin: Houston, Texas (2:221/6.21)

Hello, Charles Pierson.
On 17/10/2020 11.01 you wrote:

Does Hotdoged provide a logfile file that you can investigate?
Maybe you can notice some consistencies with CRAM-MD5 when polling
specific systems.

The only log I have been able to access so far is when I get an error message during polling. And then only with the point system.

In main menu you can "send log to developer". But you can send it to anyone, yourself maybe. Thats all I know.

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