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Which gives you the details of the system from which the message
originates.

...but how do I deduce that the IP address is a mailer that
shouldn't be contacted? ...especially when new Alaskan board like
JumpStart and PolarBBS are springing up? Most of the BBSes running
WildCat! and Synchronet do not have FidoNET nodelist lookup capability
(and those that do do not normally list flags, and to be compliant with
modem dialers, public Telnet FidoNET systems have to use the 'PVT'
private flag, which used to be used for private systems...). Your
average 'Joe User' is just going to see a Telnet address in the message
footer and try it, most likely....

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Winston Smith (1:323/120) wrote to Steven Horn at 20:22 on 22 Mar 2003:

...but how do I deduce that the IP address is a mailer that
shouldn't be contacted? ...especially when new Alaskan board like JumpStart and PolarBBS are springing up? Most of the BBSes running

Not every system with an IP address is telnettable. Furthermore, JumpStart and
PolarBBS are not part of Fido.

WildCat! and Synchronet do not have FidoNET nodelist lookup
capability (and those that do do not normally list flags, and to be compliant with modem dialers, public Telnet FidoNET systems have to
use the 'PVT' private flag, which used to be used for private

The PVT flag is supposed to be used for all IP-only systems but there are very few systems in Zone 1 that use it. Fidonet does have a special flag for Telnet, ITN but it is at the end of the listing.

However, a nodelist is not hard to come by. Try http://www.juge.com/bbs/Opus1.Html. Once you get it, open it up with WordPad or any reasonably competent text editor and take a look, search or what have you.

systems...). Your average 'Joe User' is just going to see a Telnet address in the message footer and try it, most likely....

But it's NOT a Telnet address, it is an IP (Internet Protocol) address. In my case, it is the address where others using BinkP systems can reach me but it could also serve as a Web server or for e-mail.

Take care,

Steven Horn (steven_a_horn@yahoo.ca)
Moderator, ALASKA_CHAT
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Hello Winston!

Winston Smith (1:323/120) wrote to Steven Horn:

WildCat! and Synchronet do not have FidoNET nodelist lookup
capability (and those that do do not normally list flags, and to be compliant with modem dialers, public Telnet FidoNET systems have to
use the 'PVT' private flag, which used to be used for private
systems...).

Well there also miss, that they are setting charset information. I used to use synchronet for posting my posts, but i doesn't help then you need to use charecters in the high end of the ASCII table, and the BBS system doesn't support it.

Wildcat! have the samme miss :(

For engelish speaking people i doesn't made sence to set a CHRS, but for international users it does.

Regards, Bo

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Well there also miss, that they are setting charset information. I us synchronet for posting my posts, but i doesn't help then you need to
use charecters in the high end of the ASCII table, and the BBS
system doesn't support it.

Wildcat! have the samme miss :(

I believe that in order to post international characters or IBM graphics
into a message base, the Sysop has to "turn on" the "IBM ANSI" allowed
flag in the message base. This was done in the "BBS ADS" message base.
There was a big stink about this a while back when Bjorn Felton asked
this to be done in the FidoNews message base so that he could write his
name with an umlaut. Some ancient, WordStar-like mail readers use
high-bit characters for formatting controls. Most Sysops did not wish
to take the risk that someone using CP/M would corrupt their message
base, although the chance is pretty slight these days.... These days it
is turned off to keep ANSI artists from splattering message areas with
pictures using IBM graphics, but that is also getting rarer and rarer.
I bet if you ask the Sysop to turn IBM ANSI on in message areas that you
post in or that get international messages that he or she will do so.
It never hurts to ask....

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But it's NOT a Telnet address, it is an IP (Internet Protocol)
address. In my case, it is the address where others using BinkP
systems can reach me but it could also serve as a Web server or for
e-mail.

Hmm... for a Web server it might be possible to use something like
http://host.network.domain (?) Anybody with Internet
connectivity will know what an 'http://' URL means.... Any browser
would reject an attempted telnet.... And if the user doesn't have
Internet connectivity? well... then he or she can't telnet to the
address anyway, so it doesn't matter! (?) Any user then trying to
telnet to the address knows that he or she is merely guessing that there
is a telnet service port as well, because usually, if all services are supported, the poster lists the address without a single particular URL prefix.... (?)

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Hello Winston!

Winston Smith (1:323/120) wrote to Bo Simonsen:

I believe that in order to post international characters or IBM
graphics into a message base, the Sysop has to "turn on" the "IBM
ANSI" allowed flag in the message base.

Not everyone import posts as IBMPC as default.

Regards, Bo

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Not everyone import posts as IBMPC as default.

Regards, Bo

Exactly! That is the problem. Turning off the "high-bit ASCII"
does more than just turn off IBM box graphics, it also turns off half of
the international character set in a lot of cases. The Sysop has to
realize this, or you have to point it out to him or her when you post a message. American BBS software often assumes IBMPC as a default. When
the software is set to block an ANSI art, it also blocks international
posts. With the 'GR' page in the character set turned off, many
international messages can not be written. The "world BBS" is a
relatively new phenomenon. Most BBSes used to be simple "metro BBSes"
for the most part, until the advent of ISP's and subscriber broadband.

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Hello Winston!

Mar 25 01:06 03, Winston Smith wrote to Bo Simonsen:

Not everyone import posts as IBMPC as default.

Exactly! That is the problem. Turning off the "high-bit ASCII"
does more than just turn off IBM box graphics, it also turns off half
of the international character set in a lot of cases. The Sysop has to realize this, or you have to point it out to him or her when you post
a message.

But anyway i can't understand it, it's just a question of @CHRS, and a simple map convertion.

Regards,
Bo

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Winston Smith (1:323/120) wrote to Steven Horn at 03:33 on 24 Mar 2003:

Hmm... for a Web server it might be possible to use something
like http://host.network.domain (?) Anybody with Internet connectivity will know what an 'http://' URL means.... Any browser
would reject an attempted telnet.... And if the user doesn't have Internet connectivity? well... then he or she can't telnet to the address anyway, so it doesn't matter! (?) Any user then trying to
telnet to the address knows that he or she is merely guessing that
there is a telnet service port as well, because usually, if all
services are supported, the poster lists the address without a
single particular URL prefix.... (?)

By the same token, any telnet system could list itself as "telnet.<domain>. Users would be aware of what they are dealing with and would know where to go.
Your assumption that a system which does not have a URL prefix is one which is not supported.

Take care,

Steven Horn (steven_a_horn@yahoo.ca)
Moderator, ALASKA_CHAT
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