• NAB Policy

    From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Ben Ritchey on Mon Oct 15 14:16:15 2018
    Hi Ben,

    Could you please post the NAB policy documentation?

    Thanks,
    Sean
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  • From Ben Ritchey@1:393/68 to Sean Dennis on Wed Oct 17 13:27:08 2018
    * An ongoing debate between Sean Dennis and Ben Ritchey rages on ...

    Could you please post the NAB policy documentation?

    As far as I can tell there is none, but I found this:

    === Cut ===
    =====================================
    == North American Backbone ==
    == General Information & ==
    == Frequently Asked Questions ==
    =====================================

    BOFAQ.TXT - 01 May 2003


    Terms used throughout this file
    =================================

    North American Backbone - FidoNet hubs who distribute echomail and routed
    netmail in North America (FidoNet Zone 1). Hereafter in this file
    the North American Backbone is referred to simply as the Backbone.

    Echo or Conference - An echomail conference is a message base or forum,
    distributed under a specified echomail conference name, dealing
    with a defined area of interest. Hereafter in this file echomail
    conferences are referred to simply as echoes.

    Backbone Hub - A hub who helps to distribute mail within the North American
    Backbone. Backbone Zone Hubs (ZHubs) distribute mail at the zone
    level.

    Echomail Coordinators (ECs) - Echomail Coordinators have been recognized by
    Fidonet since 1987. The Zone Echomail Coordinator (ZEC)
    coordinates echomail at the zone level. Region Echomail
    Coordinators (RECs) coordinate echomail at the region level. Net
    Echomail Coordinators (NECs) coordinate echomail at the net level.

    BACKBONE.NA - A text file listing all echoes, and their descriptions, that
    are presently carried on the North American Backbone. This text
    file is formatted in a manner which makes it easily readable by
    echomail distribution software to use as a "forward list". It is
    published weekly and distributed in the BACKBONE file area.

    BACKSTAT.NA - A North American Backbone newsletter published weekly which
    lists echoes which have been added to or dropped from the North
    American Backbone, as well as listing the Zone and Region Hubs. It
    is published weekly and distributed in the BACKBONE file area. It
    is advisable that those who rely on the North American Backbone get
    in the habit of reading this file.

    BOFAQ.TXT - This file. It is published as needed and distributed in the
    BACKBONE file area.

    Moderator - Person(s) responsible for an echo and its liaison with the
    Backbone.

    Zone 1 EchoList - A database containing a list of echoes, published
    regularly by the Zone 1 EchoList Coordinator (1:1/21). It
    customarily contains echo names, moderator names and addresses, and
    descriptions of the echoes. Hereafter in this file the Zone 1
    EchoList is referred to simply as the EchoList.

    Gateways - Echomail Gateways are nodes whose systems are used to exchange
    mail with other groups. The term Gateway, as used here, includes
    all forms of gating including, but not limited to, zone-gating,
    inter-network gating, intra-network gating, and domain-gating.


    Q1 ========================================================================

    What is the purpose of this file?

    This file has been assembled as a means to provide answers to Frequently
    Asked Questions regarding how the Backbone operates and to provide an
    insight into its internal administration. It is NOT a set of rules or
    required laws that involved hubs are forced to follow.

    Q2 ========================================================================

    How are Backbone Hubs selected?

    ZHubs are selected by the other Backbone ZHubs.

    Q3 ========================================================================

    Are all of the echoes listed in BACKBONE.NA available from all of the
    Backbone ZHubs?

    The Backbone ZHubs make available all echoes which are listed in in BACKBONE.NA. Nobody else is obligated to carry all listed echoes. Of
    course, no Backbone ZHub is required to carry any echo which, in their
    opinion, could subject them to consequences which might have a negative
    effect on their well being.

    Q4 ========================================================================

    What are the responsibilities of a moderator of an echo which the Backbone carries?

    1) Maintaining their echo's listing in the Echolist on a regular
    basis.

    2) Be accessible via netmail or email through known channels.

    3) Be responsible for the operation of their echo.

    Q5 ========================================================================

    What "tools" does the Backbone provide to a moderator in order to help
    him/her carry out their responsibilities?

    If a moderator believes that a node is violating an echo rule, he/she may request the feed to that node be severed. This request is made in written
    form (netmail), to the hub feeding the offending node, with a copy to the offending node. It is recommended that a copy also be sent to the node's
    links so that he or she is made aware of such problems and can provide information and assistance.

    Some important points to remember regarding feed cut requests:

    1) Feed cuts should be initiated with an effort to cause the least
    amount of disruption to the echo.

    2) In most cases, the main goal of a feed cut is to remove a REPEAT
    offender who is likely to cause future echo disruption.

    3) Echo rule offenders are, in most cases, PEOPLE - not systems.

    4) SYSTEMS should not be cut until efforts to remove the PERSON have
    failed. Moderators should attempt to resolve problems as close to
    the root of the problem as possible, i.e., user first, SysOp second,
    hub third, etc.

    5) Feed cuts at the Zone level are taken very seriously. Only use
    them as a last resort after all other means have failed. Have
    proper documentation ready to support a link cut request at the Zone
    level showing that all other efforts have failed.

    6) Feed cut requests are just that - requests. Communications should
    be polite and not demanding as you are REQUESTING help from another
    system.

    Q6 ========================================================================

    What means does the Backbone use to recognize the moderator of an echo?

    At this time, the Backbone refers to the current EchoList in order to
    identify an echo's moderator. In case of disagreement, the moderator
    listed first has priority.

    Q7 ========================================================================

    I am the moderator of an echo, but I may be away from my computer for long periods of time. What does the Backbone suggest that I do to ensure that
    my echo is properly maintained?

    Moderators are encouraged to appoint assistant or co-moderators to assist
    them in their duties and to stand in for them in their absence.

    Q8 ========================================================================

    What is the Backbone's position on illegal activities conducted within
    echoes?

    The Backbone does not agree to distribute any echo which routinely contains messages which contain illegal information, or promote illegal activities.
    As used in this paragraph, "illegal activities" includes activities which
    are a violation of civil law as well as activities which could result in criminal prosecution.

    Q9 ========================================================================

    What is the Backbone's position on the censorship of messages as they pass through the distribution system?

    Backbone ZHubs do not delete or alter messages as they are distributed,
    except for technical reasons, such as mail tracking.

    If a Backbone ZHub feels that netmail messages may lead to legal action
    against him then he may decline to handle such messages, as per FidoNet
    Policy.

    If a Backbone ZHub feels that echomail messages may lead to legal action against him then he may decline to handle that echo in its entirety,
    notifying the echo's moderator.

    The Backbone does not distribute any echo which routinely contains
    counterfeit messages. A counterfeit message is any message entered using another person's name, handle, or node address with the intent of deceiving others about the true author of the message.

    Q10 =======================================================================

    What technical standards does the Backbone observe?

    FTSC specifications FTS-0001 and FSC-0074 are followed. Notes:

    1) All Backbone ZHubs use the pathline.

    2) The Backbone considers the "toUserName" and "fromUserName" to be
    control information lines, thus character set restrictions apply.

    3) The requirement that control information lines shall contain only
    ASCII characters, from 32 to 126, is extended to include hi-bit
    alphabetic characters, including 128 to 168, 173 and 224 to 240.

    4) Due to the limitations of some current software, the Backbone can
    not guarantee delivery of messages in excess of 13,000 bytes.
    Backbone ZHubs are encouraged to use message processing software
    which allows larger messages, preferably up to 64K bytes, to be
    handled.

    Backbone ZHubs may delete messages which do not conform to these technical standards when such messages might be harmful to the technical operation of
    the Backbone. This includes duplicate, encrypted, and "grunged" messages.
    Such messages are generally not returned.

    Backbone ZHubs operate in a secure fashion. They automatically process
    inbound messages only from those nodes with which prior connection
    agreements have been made. Normally this means that Backbone ZHubs use
    session passwords and secure ("protected") inbound areas. However, any reasonable method of ensuring that non-secure messages do not enter the Backbone is acceptable.

    A Backbone ZHub may choose not to provide services to a node which does not operate in a secure fashion.

    Q11 =======================================================================

    How does one go about getting an echo added to Backbone distribution?

    The Backbone generally adds an echo to the Backbone when the following requirements are met:

    1) The moderator lists the echo in the EchoList. Refer to the
    EchoList operator for information about how to do this, and then

    2) The moderator requests that the echo be distributed by the
    Backbone. The request should be sent from one of the moderator
    addresses listed in the EchoList, via one of the following methods,
    preferably "A".

    A) Echomail: To "Backbone", in the Z1_BACKBONE echo
    B) Netmail: To "Backbone", at any Backbone ZHub's address
    C) Netmail: To "NAB Robot" at it's nodelisted address,
    presently 1:1/20.

    The body of the request should consist of a current copy of the
    EchoList listing for the echo. This could be taken from a recent
    message from the EchoList (netmail, email or echomail) or be an
    excerpt from the current EchoList itself.

    The moderator is also to arrange a connection from his/her system
    to one of the ZHubs to transport the echo to the backbone.

    The echo is then listed in BACKSTAT.NA and BACKBONE.NA as being
    available.

    A welcome message is sent in the echo to help establish links. At
    this time any private links to the echo should be switched to the
    Backbone.

    Q12 =======================================================================

    When does the Backbone remove an echo from its distribution system?

    The Backbone generally drops an echo from distribution when:

    1) the moderator sends a direct request to any NAB Coordinator or the
    NAB Robot the echo be removed. The request should be sent from one
    of the moderator addresses listed in the BACKSTAT.NAfile:

    A) Echomail: Z1_BACKBONE echo, to "Backbone"
    B) Netmail: To any Backbone ZHub's address
    C) Netmail: To "NAB Robot" at it's nodelisted address,
    presently 1:1/20.

    2) When the Backbone ZHubs decide that the distribution of an echo is
    no longer in the best interest of the Backbone.

    All changes in status of echoes are noted in BACKSTAT.NA.

    Q13 =======================================================================

    How do Backbone ZHubs handle netmail that lands on their systems?

    The Backbone encourages the use of "echo routed netmail" as a means of
    keeping echo volume and off-topic posts to a minimum. Backbone ZHubs accept routed netmail from any node who connects with them. Any netmail message
    with a deliverable destination within FidoNet, regardless of its origin, is accepted.

    The Backbone routes netmail according to the wishes of the individual nets.
    The Backbone depends on regional routing maps provided by the RECs to
    represent these wishes. Routed netmail may be routed along echomail paths
    or to a ZC, RC, or NC who has agreed to handle such mail.

    Routed netmail is for personal messages. It is not for commercial
    messages, echoes, mailing lists, news groups, file-attaches, "encoded/encrypted" files, pyramid letters, or chain letters. These are normally deleted without warning, nor are returned.

    The Backbone treats netmail as private mail. Backbone ZHubs normally do
    not read routed netmail which passes through their systems except as
    required for technical or legal reasons.

    Q14 =======================================================================

    What does the Backbone expect of nodes who operate as "Gateways"?

    Gateways must remove foreign distribution identifiers (including seen-bys) which might adversely affect the distribution of the echo on the Backbone. Pathlines, however, should be left intact. The origin line should be that
    of the Gateway.

    Gateways also pass netmail into the other network, unless it is technically impossible to do so.

    Q15 =======================================================================

    I need to change the name of my Backboned echo. Is it necessary for me to
    go through the entire "approval process" all over again? The current echo
    is well established on the Backbone.

    In order to change the name of an existing echo without the necessity of reapproval, you should:

    1) EchoList the new echo name.

    2) Set a date for the change to occur. This date should give all
    concerned plenty of time to prepare. Generally, a 3-4 week notice
    should suffice. The proposed date for the change should fall on a
    Sunday.

    3) Spread the word of the impending name change. Do so in the
    affected echo, the Z1_BACKBONE echo, and via netmail to each of
    the listed Backbone ZHub(s).

    4) Item 3 should be repeated at least once per week before the name
    change is to occur.

    5) On the day before the change is to occur, send a netmail reminder
    to Backbone

    6) The change occurs. The new echo name is added to BACKBONE.NA and
    the old echo name is removed.

    Q16 =======================================================================

    I notice that an echo's description in the EchoList places limitations on
    those who are permitted to access the echo. Does the Backbone enforce
    those restrictions?

    No! When moderators place their echoes on the Backbone they must realize
    that Backbone ZHubs distribute publicly available echoes and that the job of enforcing any kind of access restrictions remains with the moderator.
    These restrictions, as well as the echo's rules, are usually available in
    the EchoList so that any Sysop interested in the echo may review them prior
    to actually carrying the echo on his or her system.

    Q17 =======================================================================

    Does the Backbone carry encrypted messages?

    Backbone ZHubs do not allow encrypted messages to flow through their
    systems. The Backbone does not agree to handle encrypted messages.

    Q18 =======================================================================

    What administrative areas does the Backbone use?

    The Backbone uses one echo area and one file area for its business.

    The Z1_BACKBONE echo is open to any node having business with the Backbone.

    The BACKBONE file area is available to all but hatching is restricted to
    ONLY Backbone ZHubs.

    Q19 =======================================================================

    Is the Backbone part of FidoNet?

    The Backbone is indeed part of FidoNet. It's made up of a voluntary group
    of FidoNet members. It exists within FidoNet and must abide by FidoNet
    Policy, just as any other FidoNet node or group of FidoNet nodes.

    However, the Backbone is not an entity or sub-division of FidoNet in the
    sense that it is not mandated or defined by FidoNet Policy and is not
    operated by FidoNet officials.

    There is no requirement for the Backbone to offer services and there is no requirement for anyone to use the Backbone's services.

    This file is not a part of FidoNet Policy. Should any part of this file conflict with FidoNet Policy then FidoNet Policy shall prevail.

    Q20 =======================================================================

    What emergency plans, if any, does the Backbone have?

    The ZHubs maintain emergency backup plans should one of them experience problems. These plans include:

    1) Quick availability of replacement equipment.

    2) Adequate backups of necessary control information.

    3) Alternate routing to bypass a down ZHub.

    Q21 =======================================================================

    What is the Backbone's position on encoded files sent via echomail?

    Echomail is not an efficient method of transporting files. There are many
    File Distribution Networks which can be used instead. Thus the Backbone
    does not distribute any echo which routinely contains large (multi-message) encoded files. The use of an echo for small or occasional encoded files is left up to the discretion of its moderator.

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    05/01/2003

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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Ben Ritchey on Fri Oct 19 12:54:22 2018
    Hello Ben!

    17 Oct 2018 13:27, Ben Ritchey wrote to Sean Dennis:


    What administrative areas does the Backbone use?

    The Backbone uses one echo area and one file area for its business.

    The Z1_BACKBONE echo is open to any node having business with the Backbone.

    The BACKBONE file area is available to all but hatching is restricted
    to ONLY Backbone ZHubs.


    sorry who pays to be part of fidonet ?


    Regards Benny

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Benny Pedersen on Fri Oct 19 10:52:04 2018

    On 2018 Oct 19 12:54:22, you wrote to Ben Ritchey:

    What administrative areas does the Backbone use?

    The Backbone uses one echo area and one file area for its business.

    The Z1_BACKBONE echo is open to any node having business with the
    Backbone.

    The BACKBONE file area is available to all but hatching is restricted
    to ONLY Backbone ZHubs.


    sorry who pays to be part of fidonet ?

    where is $$$ menitioned above???

    )\/(ark

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to mark lewis on Fri Oct 19 11:26:37 2018
    Hello mark,

    19 Oct 18 10:52 at you wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    where is $$$ menitioned above???

    I believe Benny is mistakenly thinking that "business" automatically connotates money being involved.

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Sean Dennis on Fri Oct 19 12:50:10 2018
    On 2018 Oct 19 11:26:36, you wrote to me:

    where is $$$ menitioned above???

    I believe Benny is mistakenly thinking that "business" automatically connotates money being involved.

    you might be right about that :)

    )\/(ark

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Sean Dennis on Fri Oct 19 14:47:48 2018
    On 19 Oct 18 11:26:37, Sean Dennis said the following to Mark Lewis:

    where is $$$ menitioned above???

    I believe Benny is mistakenly thinking that "business" automatically connotates money being involved.

    He has no business beyond CP/M 3.0...

    Nick

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  • From Ben Ritchey@1:393/68.8 to Benny Pedersen on Sat Oct 20 08:57:09 2018
    * An ongoing debate between Benny Pedersen and Ben Ritchey rages on ...

    The Z1_BACKBONE echo is open to any node having business with the
    Backbone.
    sorry who pays to be part of fidonet ?

    What business do you have with the NAB? You are NOT an Elisted Sysop and this forum is NOT a general chat echo, please take your discussion elsewhere.


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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to mark lewis on Sat Oct 20 14:44:32 2018
    Hello mark!

    19 Oct 2018 10:52, mark lewis wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    where is $$$ menitioned above???

    you did it


    Regards Benny

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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Sean Dennis on Sat Oct 20 14:45:16 2018
    Hello Sean!

    19 Oct 2018 11:26, Sean Dennis wrote to mark lewis:

    I believe Benny is mistakenly thinking that "business" automatically connotates money being involved.

    you belive ?


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)
  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to mark lewis on Sat Oct 20 14:46:00 2018
    Hello mark!

    19 Oct 2018 12:50, mark lewis wrote to Sean Dennis:

    you might be right about that :)

    he wins in lotto or ?


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)
  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Nick Andre on Sat Oct 20 14:46:34 2018
    Hello Nick!

    19 Oct 2018 14:47, Nick Andre wrote to Sean Dennis:

    He has no business beyond CP/M 3.0...

    oh dear


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)
  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Ben Ritchey on Sat Oct 20 14:49:26 2018
    Hello Ben!

    20 Oct 2018 08:57, Ben Ritchey wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    What business do you have with the NAB?

    incorrect question to aviod another problem

    You are NOT an Elisted Sysop

    so i need to pay ?

    and this forum is NOT a general chat echo

    if netmail does not work ?

    please take your discussion
    elsewhere.

    i can answer same to all members here

    should i really remove all NAB echomails from my system ?

    be carefull


    Regards Benny

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