http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/port-scanner/

Port Scan 71.13.128.6
Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:58:34 -0700

The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 23 (telnet).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 513 (login).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 6667 (ircd).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 79 (finger).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 70 (gopher).

The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port 21 (ftp).

7/10 05:04:09p Initializing on Mon Jul 10 17:04:09 2006 with
options: 117
7/10 05:04:09p Loading configuration files from c:\sbbs\ctrl\
7/10 05:04:10p Temporary file directory: c:\sbbs\temp\
7/10 05:04:10p Maximum clients: 10
7/10 05:04:10p Passive Port Low: 1024
7/10 05:04:10p Passive Port High: 65535
7/10 05:04:10p Maximum inactivity: 300 seconds
7/10 05:04:10p 0200 FTP Server socket opened
7/10 05:04:10p 0200 FTP Server thread started on port 21

The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port 80 (http).

7/10 05:03:13p 0256 Web Server socket opened
7/10 05:03:13p 0256 Web Server listening on port 80
7/10 05:03:13p 0256 Web Server thread started
7/10 05:03:13p 0256 http logging thread
started


The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port 110 (pop3).

7/9 09:28:20a Reading c:\sbbs\ctrl\mailproc.ini
7/9 09:28:20a Maximum clients: 10
7/9 09:28:20a Maximum inactivity: 120 seconds
7/9 09:28:20a 0208 SMTP socket opened
7/9 09:28:20a 0208 SMTP socket bound to port 25
7/9 09:28:20a 0224 POP3 socket opened
7/9 09:28:21a 0224 POP3 socket bound to port 110
7/9 09:28:21a 0208 Mail Server thread started
7/9 09:28:21a 0000 SendMail thread started

The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port
139 (netbios-ssn).
The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port 119 (nntp).


Misc:
7/10 05:06:19p Reading c:\sbbs\ctrl\services.ini
7/10 05:06:19p 0168 NNTP socket bound to TCP port 119
7/10 05:06:19p 0212 Finger socket bound to TCP port 79
7/10 05:06:19p 0220 UDP-Finger socket bound to UDP port 79
7/10 05:06:19p 0228 Gopher socket bound to TCP port 70
7/10 05:06:20p 0248 IRC socket bound to TCP port 6667



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Re: Server troubles??
By: Finnigann to All on Mon Jul 10 2006 06:18 pm

http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/port-scanner/

Port Scan 71.13.128.6
Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:58:34 -0700

The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 23 (telnet).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 513 (login).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 6667 (ircd).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 79 (finger).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 70 (gopher).

The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port 21 (ftp).
The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port 80 (http).
The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port 110 (pop3).
The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port 119 (nntp).

Do you have an external router device (e.g. cable or DSL "modem" with router functionality)? Perhaps it has a firewall built-in and is blocking these ports. Or it could be your ISP blocking those incoming ports.

digital man

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Re: Server troubles??
By: Finnigann to All on Mon Jul 10 2006 06:18 pm

http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/port-scanner/

Port Scan 71.13.128.6
Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:58:34 -0700

The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 23 (telnet).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 513 (login).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 6667 (ircd).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 79 (finger).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 70 (gopher).

The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port 21 (ftp).
The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port 80 (http).
The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port 110 (pop3).
The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port 119 (nntp).

Do you have an external router device (e.g. cable or DSL "modem" with router functionality)? Perhaps it has a firewall built-in and is
blocking these ports. Or it could be your ISP blocking those incoming ports.

Yes, I do.

In a privious message I posted some screen captures links.

It's looking more and more like the ISP has some ports closed. This is
a new developement.

But if that's so, why do the links work for me?

http://bnb.synchro.net and bnb.dtdns.net both work fine here...

I sent Charter a message asking if the BBS ports are indeed closed and
if so, would they open them.

I talked to a rep sometime ago about this same topic. We found the
problem lay else where and no ports were closed. But that was then and
this is now.

If I learn anything, I will post more here.




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Re: Re: Server troubles??
By: Finnigann to Digital Man on Mon Jul 10 2006 11:00 pm

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Re: Server troubles??
By: Finnigann to All on Mon Jul 10 2006 06:18 pm

http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/port-scanner/

Port Scan 71.13.128.6
Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:58:34 -0700

The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 23 (telnet).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 513 (login).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 6667 (ircd).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 79 (finger).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 70 (gopher).

The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port 21 (ftp). The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port 80 (http). The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port 110 (pop3). The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port 119 (nntp).

Do you have an external router device (e.g. cable or DSL "modem" with router functionality)? Perhaps it has a firewall built-in and is blocking these ports. Or it could be your ISP blocking those incoming ports.

Yes, I do.

In a privious message I posted some screen captures links.

It's looking more and more like the ISP has some ports closed. This is
a new developement.

But if that's so, why do the links work for me?

If "for me" means, from the same computer or from another computer on your local network, the answer should be obvious: because your ISP isn't involved in your local network.

http://bnb.synchro.net and bnb.dtdns.net both work fine here...

I'm not sure where exactly "here" is.

I sent Charter a message asking if the BBS ports are indeed closed and
if so, would they open them.

They would know. :-)

digital man

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Re: Re: Server troubles??
By: Finnigann to Digital Man on Mon Jul 10 2006 11:00 pm

But if that's so, why do the links work for me?

If "for me" means, from the same computer or from another computer on
your local network, the answer should be obvious: because your ISP
isn't involved in your local network.

http://bnb.synchro.net and bnb.dtdns.net both work fine here...

I'm not sure where exactly "here" is.

From the same machine as the BBS sits on.

But doesn't the page call have to go out to a DNS machine and then back
to me? Unless there is a HOSTS file, that is. (There isn't one)

If I were using localhost as an address, I wouldn't expect it to even
need to be connected to the internet at all. (But that's not the case
either)

Clearly something is at work here that I don't fully understand.

I sent Charter a message asking if the BBS ports are indeed closed and
if so, would they open them.

They would know. :-)

Not always... It's one of them Right-hand Left-hand sort of companies.

I did get an acknowledgment from them... so far.




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Re: Re: Server troubles??
By: Finnigann to Digital Man on Tue Jul 11 2006 04:42 am

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Re: Re: Server troubles??
By: Finnigann to Digital Man on Mon Jul 10 2006 11:00 pm

But if that's so, why do the links work for me?

If "for me" means, from the same computer or from another computer on your local network, the answer should be obvious: because your ISP isn't involved in your local network.

http://bnb.synchro.net and bnb.dtdns.net both work fine here...

I'm not sure where exactly "here" is.

From the same machine as the BBS sits on.

But doesn't the page call have to go out to a DNS machine and then back
to me? Unless there is a HOSTS file, that is. (There isn't one)

Yes, but all that does is resolve the hostname to an IP address. Your browser will then connect to port 80 on that IP address, which is the same computer the server is on, so the ISP isn't involved.

If I were using localhost as an address, I wouldn't expect it to even
need to be connected to the internet at all. (But that's not the case
either)

Clearly something is at work here that I don't fully understand.

Your ISP isn't blocking outbound DNS requests. That much is clear. But has nothing to do with whether or not they're blocking inbound port 80 requests.

digital man

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Re: Re: Server troubles??
By: Finnigann to Digital Man on Tue Jul 11 2006 05:42 am

Not always... It's one of them Right-hand Left-hand sort of companies.

I did get an acknowledgment from them... so far.

okay, i take it you're running DMZ now...

i scanned you and it says your port 80 and your email ports are 'filtered' AMONG others.

if you want a copy of this scan, grab me on irc, i wont be rude and post the whole thing here [several pages]

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Re: Re: Server troubles??
By: Finnigann to Digital Man on Tue Jul 11 2006 04:42 am

Without Duece's permission: Digital Man wrote to Finnigann <=-

Re: Re: Server troubles??
By: Finnigann to Digital Man on Mon Jul 10 2006 11:00 pm

But if that's so, why do the links work for me?

If "for me" means, from the same computer or from another computer on your local network, the answer should be obvious: because your ISP isn't involved in your local network.

http://bnb.synchro.net and bnb.dtdns.net both work fine here...

I'm not sure where exactly "here" is.

From the same machine as the BBS sits on.

But doesn't the page call have to go out to a DNS machine and then back
to me? Unless there is a HOSTS file, that is. (There isn't one)

Yes, but all that does is resolve the hostname to an IP address. Your browser will then connect to port 80 on that IP address, which is the
same computer the server is on, so the ISP isn't involved.

If I were using localhost as an address, I wouldn't expect it to even
need to be connected to the internet at all. (But that's not the case
either)

Clearly something is at work here that I don't fully understand.

Your ISP isn't blocking outbound DNS requests. That much is clear. But
has nothing to do with whether or not they're blocking inbound port 80 requests.

T h e m B a s t a r d s !




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Re: Re: Server troubles??
By: Finnigann to
Digital Man on Tue Jul 11 2006 05:42 am
> Not always... It's one of them Right-hand Left-hand
sort of companies.

I did get an acknowledgment from them... so far.

okay, i take it you're running DMZ now...

i scanned you and it says your port 80 and your email ports are
'filtered' AMONG others.

if you want a copy of this scan, grab me on irc, i wont be rude and
post the whole thing here [several pages]

Thanks, but I got the sad news already.

http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/port-scanner/




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Re: Re: Server troubles??|dmz
By: Finnigann to jas hud on Tue Jul 11 2006 10:37 pm

Thanks, but I got the sad news already.

http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/port-scanner/

nmap is better. :D

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With regards to the social ramifications;

jas hud wrote to Finnigann <=-

Re: Re: Server troubles??|dmz
By: Finnigann to
jas hud on Tue Jul 11 2006 10:37 pm

Thanks, but I got the sad news already.

http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/port-scanner/

nmap is better. :D

OK I tracked it down... it needs to be compiled... MS VC is the tool
they recommend... VC requires XP or the like. ME isn't good enough...

Thanks anyway.




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Re: Re: Server troubles??|dmz
By: Finnigann to jas hud on Wed Jul 12 2006 10:24 pm

OK I tracked it down... it needs to be compiled... MS VC is the tool
they recommend... VC requires XP or the like. ME isn't good enough...

nmap needs to be compiled?

yeah, you really need to ditch winme. win98 is better than me, even.

get xp.

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Finnigann wrote:

i scanned you and it says your port 80 and your email ports are 'filtered' AMONG others.

if you want a copy of this scan, grab me on irc, i wont be rude and
post the whole thing here [several pages]

Thanks, but I got the sad news already.

http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/port-scanner/

Have you tried use non-standard ports then? Try setting up for port
8080 or something.

My router, for example, (Asante something) doesn't support it or port
ranges for that matter. Maybe its time to look at something else. :)

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Thanks, but I got the sad news already. http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/port-scanner/

nmap is better. :D

Yeah nmap is a lot better. Need cygwin or something to run it on a winbox
tho. Might i suggest X-Scan? Creates a lot of noise if you're out looking for sploits, but good if you're checking yourself or a friends security.

Check out www.xfocus.org

/miT
[OMGBBS.com]


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With regards to the social ramifications;

jas hud wrote to Finnigann <=-

Re: Re: Server troubles??|dmz
By: Finnigann to
jas hud on Wed Jul 12 2006 10:24 pm

OK I tracked it down... it needs to be compiled... MS VC is

the tool

they recommend... VC requires XP or the like. ME isn't good enough...

nmap needs to be compiled?

yeah, you really need to ditch winme. win98 is better than me, even.

get xp.

OK but CD drive is KIA.




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With regards to the social ramifications;

Mindless Automaton wrote to Finnigann <=-

Finnigann wrote:

i scanned you and it says your port 80 and your email ports are 'filtered' AMONG others.

if you want a copy of this scan, grab me on irc, i wont be rude and post the whole thing here [several pages]

Thanks, but I got the sad news already.

http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/port-scanner/

Have you tried use non-standard ports then? Try setting up for port
8080 or something.

As a matter of fact, I grabbed a copy of TinyWeb and tried 8080... no
go.

It all used to work. Charter (My ISP) has changed something recently.

My router, for example, (Asante something) doesn't support it or port ranges for that matter. Maybe its time to look at something else. :)

It's only a hobby... it's only a hobby (muttering to self)




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Finnigann wrote:

Thanks, but I got the sad news already.

http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/port-scanner/

Have you tried use non-standard ports then? Try setting up for port 8080 or something.

As a matter of fact, I grabbed a copy of TinyWeb and tried 8080... no
go.

It all used to work. Charter (My ISP) has changed something recently.

http://www.grc.com has web-based scan tools also. Maybe they left
something open?

My router, for example, (Asante something) doesn't support it or port ranges for that matter. Maybe its time to look at something else. :)

It's only a hobby... it's only a hobby (muttering to self)

Yeah, thats tough, especially if you are somewhere with a monopoly
service. :(

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Re: Re: Server troubles??|dmz
By: Finnigann to jas hud on Thu Jul 13 2006 03:46 am

get xp.

OK but CD drive is KIA.

you can probably get a cd drive for <30 bucks.

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.,: This is something about Re: Server troubles??|dmz,
Mit said it to jas hud on Thu Jul 13 2006 09:15 am ---------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah nmap is a lot better. Need cygwin or something to run it on a winbox tho. Might i suggest X-Scan? Creates a lot of noise if you're out looking fo sploits, but good if you're checking yourself or a friends security.

Check out www.xfocus.org

/miT [OMGBBS.com]

thanks! sounds like something i'd like to run on myself and my friends, to check for holes.

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To: Mit
.,: This is something about Re: Server troubles??|dmz,
Mit said it to jas hud on Thu Jul 13 2006 09:15 am ---------------------------------------------------------------------

tho. Might i suggest X-Scan? Creates a lot of noise if you're out looking fo sploits, but good if you're checking yourself or a friends security.

Check out www.xfocus.org

uh oh! symantech av dont like it! :D

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Finnigann wrote:

http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/port-scanner/

The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 23 (telnet).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 513 (login).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 6667 (ircd).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 79 (finger).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 70 (gopher).
The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port 21 (ftp).

Maybe your ISP is blocking email ports.

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Mindless Automaton wrote:

Yeah, thats tough, especially if you are somewhere with a monopoly
service. :(

If it's dsl, go to another provider, maybe a business account, even qwest
isn't that bad on dsl pricing for business...

If you're stuck with cable, may or may not be worth a business class account that doesn't block ports (usually get static ips as well)

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With regards to the social ramifications;

Tracker1 wrote to Finnigann <=-

Finnigann wrote:

http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/port-scanner/

The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 23 (telnet).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 513 (login).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 6667 (ircd).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 79 (finger).
The host 71.13.128.6 has a service running on port 70 (gopher).
The host 71.13.128.6 does not have a service running on port 21 (ftp).

Maybe your ISP is blocking email ports.

Little doubt left.

But how is it that the http works for me? I mean bnb.synchro.net gets
me the BBS web page, yet the RSS feed doesn't work. Are not both an
http request? I thought as long as I was getting the web page, it ment
the http port was open.

Yet results say different.



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