• UTF-8 Characters

    From Jay Harris@1:229/664 to g00r00 on Sat Apr 2 08:24:03 2022
    Hello Mr. g00r00,

    Not sure if this has been brought up before, but I thought I would ask anyway. It appears that if someone uses an iOS device to post a message on Synchronet's web interface, the punctuation appears a little funky on Mystic boards (or even on Synchronet boards if using a terminal that doesn't support UTF-8).

    Synchronet with SyncTerm:
    https://i.imgur.com/OMszRdU.png

    Synchronet with PuTTY;
    https://i.imgur.com/BCZp9dm.png

    Mystic w/ SyncTerm:
    https://ibb.co/ZgQgw4P

    Just curious if UTF-8 support is on the roadmap for Mystic & Netrunner?


    Jay

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Jay Harris on Sat Apr 2 10:02:46 2022
    Not sure if this has been brought up before, but I thought I would ask anyway. It appears that if someone uses an iOS device to post a message on Synchronet's web interface, the punctuation appears a little funky on Mystic boards (or even on Synchronet boards if using a terminal that doesn't support UTF-8).

    I am assuming its saved as a UTF-8 message since it contains UTF-8 characters, so Mystic is displaying the UTF8.

    Are you asking for Mystic to try to convert UTF8 to various DOS codepages for messages with a UTF8 kludge on terminals that aren't UTF8? Mystic does convert to UTF8 and but not the other way around although I could add that.

    ... There are three kinds of people: Those who can count, and those who can't

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  • From Jay Harris@1:229/664 to g00r00 on Sat Apr 2 11:13:43 2022
    On 02 Apr 2022, g00r00 said the following...

    Are you asking for Mystic to try to convert UTF8 to various DOS
    codepages for messages with a UTF8 kludge on terminals that aren't UTF8?

    I guess I don't know the "best" way to solve this, whether that would be Syncronet's web interface converting the text to DOS codepages, Mystic converting it to DOS codepages or having a terminal that displays the intended characters (or a combination of these).

    Here's another example that was posted with what looks like cyrillic text that ended up looking funky:

    As displayed via Mystic & Netrunner:
    https://ibb.co/3yZrCJh

    As it appears on Synchronet's web interface:
    https://ibb.co/0BjPbZG


    Direct link to message: http://vert.synchro.net/?page=001-forum.ssjs&sub=fsx_gen&thread=93768#93855


    Jay

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Jay Harris on Sun Apr 3 13:35:03 2022
    Here's another example that was posted with what looks like cyrillic
    text that ended up looking funky:

    You will need a UTF-8 terminal to view UTF-8 for the most part. If you are in a CP437 font/mode and there is UTF-8 it often cannot be displayed or converted back to the current codepage. For example a CP437 terminal like NetRunner would not have the cyrillic characters since they are not part of CP437, so it cannot covert UTF-8 to CP437 in that case.

    I do have a better "solution" to these types of things that I did a couple years back, but its a lot of work to move it into the code so I just haven't yet. I really should do it soon though.

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  • From Shaun Buzza@1:229/110 to g00r00 on Sun Apr 3 14:27:09 2022
    I do have a better "solution" to these types of things that I did a
    couple years back, but its a lot of work to move it into the code so I just haven't yet. I really should do it soon though.

    Please improve on the upgrade process first, g00r00! I love your work, but there was a reason I didn't want to move to a47! PS: finally did it, and it took a *week* to get my events working properly again...
    ./grumble

    There's a few good reasons I chose Mystic, bud. Don't take my criticism as insult; I literally wouldn't choose any other software.

    Also, now that you (and Synchro's dev) are on the FTSC, maybe you can help with bringing Mystic and Synchro into closer harmony. This may be the perfect example to start with!

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Shaun Buzza on Sun Apr 3 14:59:22 2022
    Please improve on the upgrade process first, g00r00! I love your work,
    but there was a reason I didn't want to move to a47! PS: finally did it, and it took a *week* to get my events working properly again...

    What was the problem you had and what is the suggestion on how it can be improved? The upgrade instructions are just a list of commands lines to run that you can paste directly onto a command line. There really isn't anything else to do other than that for A47. What events that come with A47 did you have problems with?

    For example this is the upgrade procedure from A47 to A48:

    Run: install replace c:\mystic
    Run: mutil -run packfilebases

    That's it.

    Also, now that you (and Synchro's dev) are on the FTSC, maybe you can
    help with bringing Mystic and Synchro into closer harmony. This may be
    the perfect example to start with!

    I am not sure what that means but feel free to elaborate!

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  • From Shaun Buzza@1:229/110 to g00r00 on Sun Apr 3 16:51:00 2022
    Please improve on the upgrade process first, g00r00! I love your work but there was a reason I didn't want to move to a47! PS: finally did and it took a *week* to get my events working properly again...

    What was the problem you had and what is the suggestion on how it can be improved?

    My problems have no relevance to the UTF-8 discussion. But, since you asked...

    The upgrade instructions are just a list of commands lines to
    run that you can paste directly onto a command line. There really isn't anything else to do other than that for A47. What events that come with A47 did you have problems with?

    Um.../fidopoll vs ./mis poll? I'm still fairly certain that this was my biggest problem.

    Having said that, the changes to 'Interval' events threw me for a loop, too! Suddenly, all off my 'Interval' events were happening every five minutes, instead of five minutes after every hour. You didn't mention this in your update notes. I'm not the only McNoob to be confused by this, either.

    Again, I must be clear: this is intended as 'constructive' criticism, not as insult. I wouldn't choose any other base but Mystic for PiBBS!

    For example this is the upgrade procedure from A47 to A48:

    Run: install replace c:\mystic
    Run: mutil -run packfilebases

    That's it.

    Sir, I would suggest that the upgrade from a46 to a47 is not the same, at all...You kinda broke a lot of stuff in that particular upgrade. And you've already admitted as much. Perhaps, I am simply adding my feedback too late?

    Either way, don't let me slow you down! Clearly, you are working harder than I am! I have exactly zero alpha releases of my work.

    McDoob
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    pibbs.sytes.net

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  • From Shaun Buzza@1:229/110 to g00r00 on Sun Apr 3 17:03:18 2022
    Also, now that you (and Synchro's dev) are on the FTSC, maybe you can help with bringing Mystic and Synchro into closer harmony. This may b the perfect example to start with!

    I am not sure what that means but feel free to elaborate!

    Let me try, then...

    From this McNoob's point of view, it seems like Synchro and Mystic aren't agreeing on which format to communicate with...

    I have also seen the same problems that others have brought to your attention, regarding UTF-8 and CP437. Sometimes, messages are rendered unintelligible, and I'm not sure who deserves the 'blame' for this...

    The devs of both Mystic and Synchro have just been voted into the FTSC. I am hoping that the two of you can solve this problem, once and for all.

    Is that enough elaboration, sir? (o_O)

    McDoob
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    pibbs.sytes.net

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Shaun Buzza on Sun Apr 3 18:17:34 2022
    Um.../fidopoll vs ./mis poll? I'm still fairly certain that this was my biggest problem.

    I figured this might be what you struggled with. I could have done better.

    MIS POLL was introduced during A45. I believe I gave people 2-3 years to stop using fidopoll before I removed it entirely. Its mentioned in A45 prealpha and A46 release notes to stop using fidopoll because it will vanish eventually.

    I mentioned in A47 that it was gone but it was an oversight of mine not to mention something like "If you are still using fidopoll you need to go replace 'fidopoll' with 'mis poll' in your scripts or event commands...

    I didn't stop and think that people who just joined Mystic in A46 would probably not have seen the warnings to stop using it. I don't think its a problem with the upgrade process as much as it was a (hopefully) one-time mistake in my patch notes. I am sure I'll screw those up again though :)

    Having said that, the changes to 'Interval' events threw me for a loop, too! Suddenly, all off my 'Interval' events were happening every five minutes, instead of five minutes after every hour. You didn't mention
    this in your update notes. I'm not the only McNoob to be confused by
    this, either.

    I can assure you there was no change to the event system which was why it was not noted.

    Intervals have always executed on a time-based interval (hense the name). I will paste the Interval documentation from 1.10 which was over a decade ago for confirmation of intention. Out of curiosity I also installed a stock A46 and created an Interval event of 5 minutes and it executed twice in 10 minutes as expected. I will paste those logs too.

    Perhaps its specific to the hour field or something if there is a problem?

    1.10 documentation:

    TYPE3: Interval
    ===============
    This event type is similar to the shell event type, except that the hour
    and minute define a time interval. For example, if you want to execute
    the event every 15 minutes you would set:

    Exec Hour: 00
    Exec Mins: 15

    1.12 A46 logs of 5 minute interval event:

    --------------------- Mystic v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 Sun, Apr 03 2022 (loglevel 1)
    + 2022.04.03 18:26:59 MANAGER Starting event system
    + 2022.04.03 18:26:59 MANAGER Starting 1 server(s)
    + 2022.04.03 18:26:59 EVENT Starting 1 event(s)
    + 2022.04.03 18:31:04 EVENT Running event: test interval
    + 2022.04.03 18:31:04 EVENT Cmd: test
    + 2022.04.03 18:31:04 EVENT Res: 255
    + 2022.04.03 18:36:00 EVENT Running event: test interval
    + 2022.04.03 18:36:00 EVENT Cmd: test
    + 2022.04.03 18:36:00 EVENT Res: 255
    + 2022.04.03 18:36:24 MANAGER Server shutdown received from console

    Again, I must be clear: this is intended as 'constructive' criticism,
    not as insult. I wouldn't choose any other base but Mystic for PiBBS!

    All good :)

    Sometimes when I asked questions people assume I am insulted but thats not really the case. I am only trying to dig some answers out of you so I can figure out what went wrong or/and add clarification.

    I appreciate the feedback and each release usually does see improvements to the upgrade process believe it or not. The entire "install replace" system didn't even exist 2-3 alphas ago. Prompts didn't automatically update until recently, etc.

    One major issue with A47 is just that I took too long and did too much between releases that there were a lot of upgrade steps. Even if they were relatively simply, there were a lot.

    Sir, I would suggest that the upgrade from a46 to a47 is not the same, at all...You kinda broke a lot of stuff in that particular upgrade. And you've already admitted as much. Perhaps, I am simply adding my feedback too late?

    I am really not aware of a lot of stuff broken in A47 so I am all ears if you have things you've ran into. I hope the history of posts in this base is evidence of my responsiveness (except for Bjorns Wiberg's recent posts which I've had to address via Netmail. His posts are not making it to me or my uplink for some reason).

    There have been some bugs since A47 that I fixed and consider pretty big fixes, but I believe most of those existed in previous versions as well. Either way, happy to address anything broken and make improvements where I can identify them.

    I am reliant on specific feedback and experience to do those things though and possibly even yours specifically, because no one else has echoed a similar thing to me with this latest release so far.

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  • From Shaun Buzza@1:229/110 to g00r00 on Sun Apr 3 19:14:37 2022
    Um.../fidopoll vs ./mis poll? I'm still fairly certain that this was biggest problem.

    I figured this might be what you struggled with. I could have done better.

    Yes, sir. That was a big surprise, but not the only one...

    Having said that, the changes to 'Interval' events threw me for a loo too! Suddenly, all off my 'Interval' events were happening every five minutes, instead of five minutes after every hour. You didn't mention this in your update notes. I'm not the only McNoob to be confused by this, either.

    I can assure you there was no change to the event system which was why
    it was not noted.

    Intervals have always executed on a time-based interval (hense the
    name). I will paste the Interval documentation from 1.10 which was over
    a decade ago for confirmation of intention. Out of curiosity I also installed a stock A46 and created an Interval event of 5 minutes and it executed twice in 10 minutes as expected. I will paste those logs too.

    I can assure you that there WAS, sir, again! No longer does 'Interval' respect the 'Hour' entry! I am not the only McNoob to notice this! Please check your work!

    If others are willing, I will provide you with independent confirmation.

    Or, you'll just have to take my word for it, being the only one who's willing to piss you off, sir.

    Once again, I will always choose Mystic.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Shaun Buzza on Sun Apr 3 19:05:10 2022
    From this McNoob's point of view, it seems like Synchro and Mystic aren't agreeing on which format to communicate with...

    I do have a solution for that, but I think there always is going to be some issue with various codepages and UTF8 only because they cannot always convert between each other.

    For example a UTF8 message using cyrillic cannot convert almost any ASCII codepage other than couple that are specifically designed for it. So when you are in say a US DOS codepage and there is cyrillic you can't do much about it.

    I do have some better translations in the pipeline but at the end of the day you just end up with a ? ASCII instead of a UTF8 cyrillic when it cannot convert.

    I don't think its an issue with compatibility between Synchronet and Mystic per se, although there is a lot of work to be done there by just about everything in the FidoNet space especially those of us centric to CP437/850.

    Like I said, I have some working proofs here but I want a good stable release before I start messing with the display engine since that can totally fubar a BBS if its buggy. I've also considering just spinning off a 1.50 release and keeping 1.12 for fixes and minor features.

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  • From Shaun Buzza@1:229/110 to g00r00 on Sun Apr 3 19:24:35 2022
    Um.../fidopoll vs ./mis poll? I'm still fairly certain that this was biggest problem.

    I figured this might be what you struggled with. I could have done better.

    Very correct, sir.

    MIS POLL was introduced during A45. I believe I gave people 2-3 years to stop using fidopoll before I removed it entirely. Its mentioned in A45 prealpha and A46 release notes to stop using fidopoll because it will vanish eventually.

    Except for one problem: not every Mystic SysOp has been a SysOp for 2 or 3 years, sir!

    I mentioned in A47 that it was gone but it was an oversight of mine not
    to mention something like "If you are still using fidopoll you need to
    go replace 'fidopoll' with 'mis poll' in your scripts or event
    commands...

    Absolutely, you did mention this! And everyone who supports Mystic has done the same.

    Again, I'm not being combative, when I say, 'You didn't mention the 'Interval' change!'

    I didn't stop and think that people who just joined Mystic in A46 would probably not have seen the warnings to stop using it. I don't think its
    a problem with the upgrade process as much as it was a (hopefully) one-time mistake in my patch notes. I am sure I'll screw those up again though :)

    You really need to stop and think about us McNoobs, then.

    I fully agree, this may be just a problem with a46 vs a47! But it's still a problem that this McNoob is trying to help others understand.

    Please, sir g00r00! Teach me! I can only share what you share!

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... I don't have the time for a hobby. I have a computer.

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  • From Shaun Buzza@1:229/110 to g00r00 on Sun Apr 3 19:57:51 2022
    I do have a solution for that, but I think there always is going to be some issue with various codepages and UTF8 only because they cannot
    always convert between each other.

    I am really hoping that you can find a way to defeat this problem!

    I do have some better translations in the pipeline but at the end of the day you just end up with a ? ASCII instead of a UTF8 cyrillic when it cannot convert.

    That's not exactly ideal, sir. (o_O)

    I know at least a little about what challenge you're faced with. I am certain that you can solve this problem, even though I barely know your thought process....Clearly, you are at least as intelligent as I am?

    McDoob
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    pibbs.sytes.net

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Shaun Buzza on Sun Apr 3 19:53:01 2022
    Yes, sir. That was a big surprise, but not the only one...

    It sucks that it was a surprise for you.

    Again, I agree I could have given more detail in A47 notes, but its not like I pulled the rug out on anyone. I was telling people personally, and Mystic patch notes were telling people to upgrade for *years* now.

    Even if you only read A47 upgrade notes it still tells you that fidopoll is no longer available for use once you upgrade. It should never be a surprise to anyone that read any of the release notes in the past several years.

    There is some responsbility on end users to read the notes.

    Intervals have always executed on a time-based interval (hense the name). I will paste the Interval documentation from 1.10 which was

    I can assure you that there WAS, sir, again! No longer does 'Interval' respect the 'Hour' entry! I am not the only McNoob to notice this!
    Please check your work!

    I am the only programmer so I would know if I rewrote the event system in A47 which I did not. Assuring me that I did doesn't change that! :)

    I showed you the docs from 1.10 which was a decade ago and it describes the event type exactly as it works today. I showed logs of A46 executing Interval events exactly as the docs describe. I also tested an hour+minute Interval and they all work exactly the same in all versions.

    Could it be that you accidentally changed your Hourly event type to Interval? If you think there is a bug give me reproducable steps and I'll gladly fix it.

    The idea that A47 is severely broken goes against every piece of feedback I've had so far other than yours, but like I said: If you have examples let me have them and I will gladly fix them or make improvements.

    ... The dog ate my .REP packet

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  • From Shaun Buzza@1:229/110 to g00r00 on Mon Apr 4 00:56:46 2022
    I can assure you that there WAS, sir, again! No longer does 'Interval respect the 'Hour' entry! I am not the only McNoob to notice this! Please check your work!

    I am the only programmer so I would know if I rewrote the event system
    in A47 which I did not. Assuring me that I did doesn't change that! :)

    I am very aware of the entirety of the Mystic dev team. I feel certain that I mentioned this already...

    Could it be that you accidentally changed your Hourly event type to Interval? If you think there is a bug give me reproducable steps and
    I'll gladly fix it.

    Possibly, it is only my own mistake...but I'm also relaying another newbie's frustrations, as well...so maybe not...we both saw strange behavior with 'Interval' events, when they happened every five minutes, instead of five minutes after every hour...

    I'd have to create a new instance of Mystic to reproduce this, so...don't hold your breath...(o_-)

    But, as you say, a bug is reproducable. I'll get back to you on this...eventually...some day...possibly before 1.13 is released...

    The idea that A47 is severely broken goes against every piece of
    feedback I've had so far other than yours, but like I said: If you have examples let me have them and I will gladly fix them or make
    improvements.

    I never suggested that a47 was 'broken'. Again, I was only griping about the upgrade process...

    Dude! I'm not attacking you, or your software! Relax! (@_@)

    ... The dog ate my .REP packet

    Mine too...damn dog...

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... The dog ate my .REP packet

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Shaun Buzza on Mon Apr 4 12:55:03 2022
    Possibly, it is only my own mistake...but I'm also relaying another newbie's frustrations, as well...so maybe not...we both saw strange behavior with 'Interval' events, when they happened every five minutes, instead of five minutes after every hour...

    Just to reiterate:

    Interval events execute in time intervals so setting it to 5 means 5 minutes

    Hourly events execute every hour so setting it to 5 means 5 after the hour.

    This is how they worked in both A46 and A47 and there hasn't been any code change there.

    feedback I've had so far other than yours, but like I said: If you SB> g0> SB> g0> SB> g0> SB> g0> SB> g0> SB> g0> SB> g0> SB> g0> SB> g0> SB> g0> ha
    examples let me have them and I will gladly fix them or make improvements.

    Dude! I'm not attacking you, or your software! Relax! (@_@)

    The mental gymnastics you're putting yourself through to say that I am insulted or accusing you of attacking me throughout this thread is strange. In this case you're responding to a paragraph which I literally included smiley faces.

    I haven't done anything but respond and ask you to provide information about problems you're having and look into the one thing you did mention.

    Anyway like I said: If you have specific bugs or suggestions, let me know!

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Shaun Buzza on Tue Apr 5 08:59:36 2022

    On 2022 Apr 03 19:57:50, you wrote to g00r00:

    I do have a solution for that, but I think there always is going to
    be some issue with various codepages and UTF8 only because they
    cannot always convert between each other.

    I am really hoping that you can find a way to defeat this problem!

    FWIW: there is no way that a ""character set"" like UTF-8 can have all of the 1114112 codepoints it contains converted into the mere 255 characters contained in traditional codepages like CP437... there simply are not enough character slots on both sides... if there were, we wouldn't need UTF-8 or all of the various codepages in the first place ;)

    )\/(ark

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  • From Shaun Buzza@1:229/110 to g00r00 on Wed Apr 6 21:52:35 2022
    Dude! I'm not attacking you, or your software! Relax! (@_@)

    The mental gymnastics you're putting yourself through to say that I am insulted or accusing you of attacking me throughout this thread is strange. In this case you're responding to a paragraph which I
    literally included smiley faces.

    Sir, I was a little too hyper-sensitive when I wrote that.

    Quite literally, I had just defended myself from a 'troll' immediately before that. And I was worried that I had pissed off another person, when you said "nobody else is complaining about a47".

    I hope that you understand how much I respect both Mystic and its creator. And I also hope you can forgive me for my faux pas. Sorry, and thanks in advance.

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Shaun Buzza on Thu Apr 7 11:58:27 2022
    Sir, I was a little too hyper-sensitive when I wrote that.

    It's all good, friend! :)

    ... Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Shaun Buzza on Thu Apr 7 10:34:00 2022
    Shaun Buzza wrote to g00r00 <=-

    Dude! I'm not attacking you, or your software! Relax! (@_@)

    The mental gymnastics you're putting yourself through to say that I am insulted or accusing you of attacking me throughout this thread is strange. In this case you're responding to a paragraph which I
    literally included smiley faces.

    Sir, I was a little too hyper-sensitive when I wrote that.

    You wrote very similar things in at least a half-dozen messages. It
    really was very strange, and kind of creepy, actually.

    Quite literally, I had just defended myself from a 'troll'
    immediately before that. And I was worried that I had pissed off
    another person, when you said "nobody else is complaining about
    a47".

    Well, you *WERE* the only person complaining.... some logical
    troubleshooting would seem to indicate that the problems were with.....
    you.

    I hope that you understand how much I respect both Mystic and its
    creator. And I also hope you can forgive me for my faux pas.
    Sorry, and thanks in advance.

    Hahahah. There's that creepy again. You're a strange one, all right.


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  • From Shaun Buzza@1:229/110 to Dan Clough on Thu Apr 7 14:48:28 2022
    Sir, I was a little too hyper-sensitive when I wrote that.

    You wrote very similar things in at least a half-dozen messages. It really was very strange, and kind of creepy, actually.

    Quite literally, I had just defended myself from a 'troll' immediately before that. And I was worried that I had pissed off another person, when you said "nobody else is complaining about
    a47".

    Well, you *WERE* the only person complaining.... some logical troubleshooting would seem to indicate that the problems were with..... you.

    I hope that you understand how much I respect both Mystic and its creator. And I also hope you can forgive me for my faux pas.
    Sorry, and thanks in advance.

    Hahahah. There's that creepy again. You're a strange one, all right.

    And, cue the troll.

    Following someone around just to make hostile comments on each of their posts *isn't* creepy? (o_O)

    Give up. It's never gonna happen. I don't like you that way. Or...at all...

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... The reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where the bad girls live

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Shaun Buzza on Thu Apr 7 14:19:00 2022
    Shaun Buzza wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    I hope that you understand how much I respect both Mystic and its creator. And I also hope you can forgive me for my faux pas.
    Sorry, and thanks in advance.

    Hahahah. There's that creepy again. You're a strange one, all right.

    Following someone around just to make hostile comments on each of
    their posts *isn't* creepy? (o_O)

    Ummmm, "following around"? Nope. I read the echomail areas, and have
    been doing that for a LOT longer than you've been around, McNoob.

    Oh, and I ignore most of your pointless and rambling posts. (o_O)


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  • From Shaun Buzza@1:229/110 to Dan Clough on Thu Apr 7 15:37:53 2022
    Ummmm, "following around"? Nope. I read the echomail areas, and have been doing that for a LOT longer than you've been around, McNoob.

    And yet never comment on anything, except to continue hostilities with me, in any area that I happen to post in...It's almost as if you were following me around!


    Oh, and I ignore most of your pointless and rambling posts. (o_O)

    Please feel free to ignore *all* of my posts! Problem solved! t(^_^t)

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Read messages, not taglines

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Shaun Buzza on Thu Apr 7 19:05:00 2022
    Shaun Buzza wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Ummmm, "following around"? Nope. I read the echomail areas, and have been doing that for a LOT longer than you've been around, McNoob.

    And yet never comment on anything, except to continue hostilities
    with me, in any area that I happen to post in.

    That's a pretty silly statement, and (surprise!) another lie. I've
    posted 8-10 messages to people other than you in the last 24 hours. Oh,
    and what you consider "hostilities" is just me (and others) calling out
    your ridiculous claims and statements. I know you don't like that, but
    it's not exactly "hostile".

    It's almost as if you were following me around!

    Yeah.... you already said that (see above). Wrong again.

    Oh, and I ignore most of your pointless and rambling posts. (o_O)

    Please feel free to ignore *all* of my posts! Problem solved!

    Problem? What problem?


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  • From Shaun Buzza@1:229/110 to Dan Clough on Thu Apr 7 20:20:44 2022
    Shaun Buzza wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Ummmm, "following around"? Nope. I read the echomail areas, and hav been doing that for a LOT longer than you've been around, McNoob.

    And yet never comment on anything, except to continue hostilities with me, in any area that I happen to post in.

    That's a pretty silly statement, and (surprise!) another lie. I've posted 8-10 messages to people other than you in the last 24 hours. Oh, and what you consider "hostilities" is just me (and others) calling out your ridiculous claims and statements. I know you don't like that, but it's not exactly "hostile".

    It's almost as if you were following me around!

    Yeah.... you already said that (see above). Wrong again.

    Oh, and I ignore most of your pointless and rambling posts. (o_O)

    Please feel free to ignore *all* of my posts! Problem solved!

    Problem? What problem?

    Dear me:

    Don't feed the trolls.

    Yours,
    me

    McDoob
    SysOp, PiBBS
    pibbs.sytes.net

    ... Old computers make great boat anchors

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