• Makenl Question

    From Gaylen Hintz@1:288/34 to All on Thu Jan 19 15:36:48 2017
    Hey all,

    I've upgraded to the 32 bit windows version of makenl since I'm running on
    a 64 bit machine. Now here is my questing bearing in mind my OS. Makenl
    does work nicely in fact but it creates a msg netmail message for a file
    attach mailer. So what would be a workaround that would allow me to send my nodelist segment to my uplink using mystic's jam netmail format?

    thanks in advance

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  • From Ben Ritchey@1:393/68 to Gaylen Hintz on Fri Jan 20 04:47:37 2017
    * An ongoing debate between Gaylen Hintz and All rages on ...

    message for a file attach mailer. So what would be a workaround that would allow me to send my nodelist segment to my uplink using mystic's
    jam netmail format?

    I use the GoldEd+ message editor which does both .Msg and JAM bases. You can just move the message from the .Msg area to the JAM area as needed (and vice versa). Works great!


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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Gaylen Hintz on Fri Jan 20 06:48:26 2017
    Hello Gaylen,

    On Thu Jan 19 2017 15:36:48, Gaylen Hintz wrote to All:

    I've upgraded to the 32 bit windows version of makenl since I'm
    running on a 64 bit machine. Now here is my questing bearing in mind
    my OS. Makenl does work nicely in fact but it creates a msg netmail message for a file attach mailer. So what would be a workaround that would allow me to send my nodelist segment to my uplink using mystic's
    jam netmail format?

    I'm assuming you're referring to the netmail notice makenl creates, and not the
    actual output file of your segment process, but..

    You might want to check makenl's settings to see if rather than creating a netmail message in .MSG format, if you could save the contents to a text file. Then you could use MUTIL to import that text file to your netmail area with the
    desired FROM, TO, and SUBJ fields (if they aren't already there) so it could be
    sent off to your uplink.

    Otherwise, you could just ditch the settings for the netmail creation (in makenl), and run a batch file/script that runs makenl to process your nodelist segment, then copy/move it to the proper filebox for your uplink. If the netmail is necessary, and makenl isn't able to do so in this circumstance, you could create your own text file with the contents of what you would like to include as a netmail message, and then part of your batch file/script could import that text file to your netmail area during the process.

    A little more manual intervention comes with BSO, but once scripted properly shouldn't need to be messed with again afterwards.

    HTH.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gaylen Hintz on Fri Jan 20 10:02:06 2017
    On 2017 Jan 19 15:36:48, you wrote to All:

    I've upgraded to the 32 bit windows version of makenl since I'm
    running on a 64 bit machine. Now here is my questing bearing in mind
    my OS. Makenl does work nicely in fact but it creates a msg netmail message for a file attach mailer. So what would be a workaround that would allow me to send my nodelist segment to my uplink using mystic's
    jam netmail format?

    there is none unless you can find a tool that would import MSG into JAM and retain the file attach data... then the question is if mystic know what outbound file attaches are and supports them...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Ben Ritchey@1:393/68 to Gaylen Hintz on Fri Jan 20 12:30:05 2017
    * An ongoing debate between Gaylen Hintz and All rages on ...

    message for a file attach mailer. So what would be a workaround that would allow me to send my nodelist segment to my uplink using mystic's
    jam netmail format?

    If you just want to send the segment you don't need the netmail. Just set up a Filebox for your uplink node in Mystic then copy the segment to it. It'll go out automatically. :) If Makenl allows it, point the segment output folder to the filebox as well, it'll dump everything there for your Uplink automagically!


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  • From Gaylen Hintz@1:288/34 to Ben Ritchey on Sat Jan 21 01:42:31 2017
    Ben Ritchey spoke thus to The Curmudgeon <=-

    * An ongoing debate between Gaylen Hintz and All rages on ...

    message for a file attach mailer. So what would be a workaround that would allow me to send my nodelist segment to my uplink using mystic's
    jam netmail format?

    I use the GoldEd+ message editor which does both .Msg and JAM bases.
    You can just move the message from the .Msg area to the JAM area as
    needed (and vice versa). Works great!

    Ummmm, since I don't use or have GoldEd+ installed.... guess I'll have to
    find a different work around. :) Thanks for the input though.

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  • From Gaylen Hintz@1:288/34 to Nicholas Boel on Sat Jan 21 01:42:31 2017
    Nicholas Boel spoke thus to The Curmudgeon <=-

    Hello Gaylen,

    Hello Nicholas,

    I'm assuming you're referring to the netmail notice makenl creates, and not the
    actual output file of your segment process, but..

    I am. forgive me as I've been a sysop for a number of years and have
    always before used the Front Door type of mailer most recently Irex
    using, of course, arcmail file attach. :)

    You might want to check makenl's settings to see if rather than
    creating a netmail message in .MSG format, if you could save the
    contents to a text file. Then you could use MUTIL to import that text
    file to your netmail area with the
    desired FROM, TO, and SUBJ fields (if they aren't already there) so it could be sent off to your uplink.

    Interesting concept and yes, should be doable. :)

    Otherwise, you could just ditch the settings for the netmail creation
    (in makenl), and run a batch file/script that runs makenl to process
    your nodelist segment, then copy/move it to the proper filebox for your uplink. If the netmail is necessary, and makenl isn't able to do so in this circumstance, you could create your own text file with the
    contents of what you would like to include as a netmail message, and
    then part of your batch file/script could import that text file to your netmail area during the process.

    Hmmm, so in essence you're saying that the netmail should not be necessary under most conditions?

    A little more manual intervention comes with BSO, but once scripted properly shouldn't need to be messed with again afterwards.

    Yes, got a few hours over this coming weekend... gonna have to look at
    all this. I've done worse workarounds in the past... some of them even
    turned out well. :)


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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Gaylen Hintz on Sat Jan 21 08:03:04 2017
    Hello Gaylen,

    On Sat Jan 21 2017 01:42:30, Gaylen Hintz wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    Otherwise, you could just ditch the settings for the netmail
    creation (in makenl), and run a batch file/script that runs
    makenl to process your nodelist segment, then copy/move it to the
    proper filebox for your uplink. If the netmail is necessary, and
    makenl isn't able to do so in this circumstance, you could create
    your own text file with the contents of what you would like to
    include as a netmail message, and then part of your batch
    file/script could import that text file to your netmail area
    during the process.

    Hmmm, so in essence you're saying that the netmail should not be necessary under most conditions?

    Nah. I don't send any netmail with my segment to my RC. The segment is all that
    gets processed. The netmail is/was probably just for convenience letting them know that it was sent and arrived on their system.

    Now that most things are completely automated, though.. 1) MakeNL doesn't require a netmail for anything, and 2) Your RC probably won't even see the netmail until after your segment has already been processed anyways. :)

    A little more manual intervention comes with BSO, but once
    scripted properly shouldn't need to be messed with again
    afterwards.

    Yes, got a few hours over this coming weekend... gonna have to look
    at all this. I've done worse workarounds in the past... some of them
    even turned out well. :)

    Not really any workaround being done. You can just choose to process the segment and move it to your RC's filebox. No netmail involved (so obviously those netmail related lines would need to be commented out in your .CTL file).

    If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done?

    BOTH! :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Nicholas Boel on Sat Jan 21 16:50:42 2017
    On 2017 Jan 21 08:03:04, you wrote to Gaylen Hintz:

    Hmmm, so in essence you're saying that the netmail should not be
    necessary under most conditions?

    Nah. I don't send any netmail with my segment to my RC. The segment is
    all that gets processed. The netmail is/was probably just for
    convenience letting them know that it was sent and arrived on their system.

    the netmail was just the carrier for the attached segment...

    there are, however, notification netmails sent back that may need to be handled... my RC always sends back a notification of successful processing of my segs... if there is a problem, i will get a notification to that effect... in one of my setups, my nodes can send in their own nodeseg just like a hub send hubsegs, NCs send netsegs, RC send regionsegs and ZCs send zonesegs... in those cases, those notification messages i mention above will need to be handled... forcing stuff to an outbox is a bandaid... one really should use a tool to import the MSG generated by makenlng into one's local netmail base if their schtuff doesn't support the traditional mailer/system MSG format netmail area...

    jus' sayin'...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to mark lewis on Sun Jan 22 11:29:15 2017
    On 01/21/17, mark lewis pondered and said...

    notification messages i mention above will need to be handled... forcing stuff to an outbox is a bandaid... one really should use a tool to
    import the MSG generated by makenlng into one's local netmail base if their schtuff doesn't support the traditional mailer/system MSG format netmail area...

    jus' sayin'...

    What tool exists to convert MSG to JAM format Mark ?

    Best, Paul

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to mark lewis on Sat Jan 21 16:41:46 2017
    Hello mark,

    On Sat Jan 21 2017 16:50:42, mark lewis wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    there are, however, notification netmails sent back that may need to
    be handled... my RC always sends back a notification of successful

    They don't need to be handled any more than reading them in your netmail area. It does not affect the segment being submitted whatsoever.

    forcing stuff to an outbox is a bandaid... one really should use a
    tool to import the MSG generated by makenlng into one's local netmail
    base if their schtuff doesn't support the traditional mailer/system
    MSG format netmail area...

    jus' sayin'...

    Your opinion is noted, and thank you for sharing your thoughts.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Paul Hayton on Sat Jan 21 20:42:44 2017

    On 2017 Jan 22 11:29:14, you wrote to me:

    notification messages i mention above will need to be handled...
    forcing stuff to an outbox is a bandaid... one really should use a
    tool to import the MSG generated by makenlng into one's local netmail
    base if their schtuff doesn't support the traditional mailer/system
    MSG format netmail area...

    jus' sayin'...

    What tool exists to convert MSG to JAM format Mark ?

    there was the old Mark May Mythical Kingdom (where MK comes from) tool written with his MKSM106 pascal library that so many folks used... mystic had/has numerous rememants of that library code* in it ;)

    it probably needs to be rebuilt, though... i recall some problems but for the most part it worked as the library code was written at that time... i know that
    i made numerous fixed to the library code over here for my projects using it...

    ISTR there being a couple of other tools out there, too, but i never needed them so i never actively collected or remember them... one can always, as suggested, use a message editor like TimED, QuickED or possibly even MsgED to handle the manual moving of the MSGs into a JAM base... but seriously, though, the easiest thing would be for mailer capable software to simply use a MSG format base for the mailer's sole use for stuff like this...

    [time passes]

    MKMU103.ZIP 128959 20-Mar-1994 ============================================
    MK Message Utilities v1.03 - Mark May's
    utilities to import, export, and convert
    messages for Squish, Jam, Hudson, Ezycom,
    and *.Msg message bases. (FW)

    http://www.wpusa.dynip.com/files2/PROGLIB/MKMU103.ZIP


    * but no ACK or thanks or other recognition... in fact, pulling the code from the repo and working with it back in the 1.10 or 1.11 alphas is exactly how i knew what to tell james as to how to fix the JAM code to store the seconds which were originally being zeroed out by that library code... the same library
    code that brought SQUish to mystic and could just as easily bring MSG to mystic
    to solve problems exactly like this particular one...

    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Nicholas Boel on Sat Jan 21 20:45:18 2017

    On 2017 Jan 21 16:41:46, you wrote to me:

    there are, however, notification netmails sent back that may need to
    be handled... my RC always sends back a notification of successful

    They don't need to be handled any more than reading them in your
    netmail area.

    exactly... that's why i keep my admin related netmails in a private netmail area well away from the BBS' users' netmail areas... the mailer has its own netmail area for specific reasons... this is exactly one of those... having the
    tosser post its replies to areafix and notification requests is another... why do they need to be mixed into the BBS' netmail areas for the users to use? they
    don't and shouldn't IMO...

    It does not affect the segment being submitted whatsoever.

    i never said it did...

    forcing stuff to an outbox is a bandaid... one really should use a
    tool to import the MSG generated by makenlng into one's local netmail
    base if their schtuff doesn't support the traditional mailer/system
    MSG format netmail area...

    jus' sayin'...

    Your opinion is noted, and thank you for sharing your thoughts.

    you're welcome... perhaps in the future i'll just keep them to myself and laugh
    and laugh and laugh while others flail about with today's so-called ""modern"" software while they are trying to do what has been being done for years with the old school stuff...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to mark lewis on Sun Jan 22 09:22:26 2017
    Hello mark,

    On Sat Jan 21 2017 20:45:18, mark lewis wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    Your opinion is noted, and thank you for sharing your thoughts.

    you're welcome... perhaps in the future i'll just keep them to myself
    and laugh and laugh and laugh while others flail about with today's so-called ""modern"" software while they are trying to do what has
    been being done for years with the old school stuff...

    I didn't say keep them to yourself. The fact that you were replying to me about
    it was the only reason I wanted to let you know I (personally) didn't need the advice. I've gone this far with today's so-called ""modern"" software and have no problems. When I do, I seem to sort it out just fine.

    However, if I started importing .MSG here (as in, they haven't been converted to .PKT due to them not knowing how to work their less "modern" mailer software
    that should be deleting them before sending to me), I would be seeing a crap-ton of old door game data file .MSG attachments from systems that haven't gotten the point that the game league that was hosted here at one time was taken down well over a year ago. I don't care to see those and already have a script in place to search contents of incoming PKT and MSG files for those specific keywords and delete them. However, that's on an hourly cron so if I were to load up Golded and that cron hasn't run yet, I would get to see them in
    all of their faded glory. :|

    So basically, at the expense of keeping my system cleaner due to others issues,
    I've created my own workarounds so I don't have to see a bunch of unwanted garbage.

    As for MakeNL, our RC posts his processing messages directly to the region 11 admin echo. So I don't need to process them here. Others may not have that luxury though, so by all means.. continue to give the advice you're giving. I was just letting you know I (personally) don't need it, so directing your replies to me may not be as helpful as directing them elsewhere. :)

    The OP that asked the question now has a few different options to persue while moving ahead.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Gaylen Hintz@1:288/34 to Nicholas Boel on Sun Jan 22 14:01:35 2017
    Nicholas Boel spoke thus to The Curmudgeon <=-


    Yes, got a few hours over this coming weekend... gonna have to look
    at all this. I've done worse workarounds in the past... some of them
    even turned out well. :)

    Not really any workaround being done. You can just choose to process
    the segment and move it to your RC's filebox. No netmail involved (so obviously those netmail related lines would need to be commented out in your .CTL file).

    Umm, yes tried that, put it in their filebox and outit went. :)

    If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done?

    BOTH! :)

    sounds about right. :)


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  • From Gaylen Hintz@1:288/34 to mark lewis on Sun Jan 22 14:01:35 2017
    mark lewis spoke thus to Paul Hayton <=-


    What tool exists to convert MSG to JAM format Mark ?

    there was the old Mark May Mythical Kingdom (where MK comes from) tool written with his MKSM106 pascal library that so many folks used...
    mystic had/has numerous rememants of that library code* in it ;)

    it probably needs to be rebuilt, though... i recall some problems but
    for the most part it worked as the library code was written at that time... i know that
    i made numerous fixed to the library code over here for my projects
    using it...

    hmmm interesting

    ISTR there being a couple of other tools out there, too, but i never needed them so i never actively collected or remember them... one can always, as suggested, use a message editor like TimED, QuickED or
    possibly even MsgED to handle the manual moving of the MSGs into a JAM base... but seriously, though, the easiest thing would be for mailer capable software to simply use a MSG format base for the mailer's sole
    use for stuff like this...

    [time passes]

    MKMU103.ZIP 128959 20-Mar-1994 ============================================
    MK Message Utilities v1.03 - Mark May's
    utilities to import, export, and convert
    messages for Squish, Jam, Hudson, Ezycom,
    and *.Msg message bases. (FW)

    http://www.wpusa.dynip.com/files2/PROGLIB/MKMU103.ZIP

    Yeah you're probably right. Thirteen years old and getting
    older, also would probably not work on a 64 bit machine
    without being worked on and or recompiled. :( Would be
    nice though.

    ... A dry sense of humor is better than slobbering everywhere

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Nicholas Boel on Sun Jan 22 20:36:56 2017

    On 2017 Jan 22 09:22:26, you wrote to me:

    Your opinion is noted, and thank you for sharing your thoughts.

    you're welcome... perhaps in the future i'll just keep them to myself
    and laugh and laugh and laugh while others flail about with today's
    so-called ""modern"" software while they are trying to do what has
    been being done for years with the old school stuff...

    I didn't say keep them to yourself. The fact that you were replying to
    me about it was the only reason I wanted to let you know I
    (personally) didn't need the advice. I've gone this far with today's so-called ""modern"" software and have no problems. When I do, I seem
    to sort it out just fine.

    i was just replying to a post... who wrote it and what the subject line may have said didn't come into play at all... hell, the specific message areas wasn't even looked at or considered, either... it was just another post in an area...

    However, if I started importing .MSG here (as in, they haven't been converted to .PKT due to them not knowing how to work their less "modern" mailer software that should be deleting them before sending to me),

    no one should ever be sending raw MSG files to start with... that's the first problem... "converted to PKT"?? empty file attach messages in MSG format don't even get sent from properly configured and working systems... they are little more than ?LO files in the BSO format... they only serve to tell the mailer where the file is going...

    I would be seeing a crap-ton of old door game data file .MSG
    attachments from systems that haven't gotten the point that the game league that was hosted here at one time was taken down well over a
    year ago. I don't care to see those and already have a script in place
    to search contents of incoming PKT and MSG files for those specific keywords and delete them. However, that's on an hourly cron so if I
    were to load up Golded and that cron hasn't run yet, I would get to
    see them in all of their faded glory. :|

    you wouldn't even need to worry about MSG files arriving in your inbounds if folks would take the time to learn about the tech and how it works but :shrug: oh well...

    So basically, at the expense of keeping my system cleaner due to
    others issues, I've created my own workarounds so I don't have to see
    a bunch of unwanted garbage.

    that's all find and good... educating those sending the crap to you would be better, though... but there's that thing about horses, water and drinking that gets in the way i guess...

    As for MakeNL, our RC posts his processing messages directly to the
    region 11 admin echo. So I don't need to process them here. Others may
    not have that luxury though, so by all means.. continue to give the
    advice you're giving. I was just letting you know I (personally) don't need it, so directing your replies to me may not be as helpful as directing them elsewhere. :)

    as noted above, i didn't even look to see who wrote what i was replying to... or the subject line or the echo the traffic is in...

    The OP that asked the question now has a few different options to
    persue while moving ahead.

    that's a GoodThing<tm>...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to mark lewis on Mon Jan 23 19:21:40 2017
    On 01/21/17, mark lewis pondered and said...

    [time passes]

    MKMU103.ZIP 128959 20-Mar-1994

    Thanks Mark, I'll take a look.

    Best, Paul

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to mark lewis on Mon Jan 23 07:54:34 2017
    Hello mark,

    On Sun Jan 22 2017 20:36:56, mark lewis wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    no one should ever be sending raw MSG files to start with... that's
    the first problem... "converted to PKT"?? empty file attach messages
    in MSG format don't even get sent from properly configured and working systems... they are little more than ?LO files in the BSO format...
    they only serve to tell the mailer where the file is going...

    I agree it shouldn't be done. I've contacted individuals numerous times in the past, and some just never seemed to get it working properly. After awhile, I just created a script that remove them when they arrive here.

    you wouldn't even need to worry about MSG files arriving in your
    inbounds if folks would take the time to learn about the tech and how
    it works but :shrug: oh well...

    Very true. However I can't decide who wants to take the time to learn, even when I am there to teach.

    that's all find and good... educating those sending the crap to you
    would be better, though... but there's that thing about horses, water
    and drinking that gets in the way i guess...

    Have you tried leading a dead horse, or a horse that is not thirsty, to water before? Don't assume I didn't try with each and every one of them. Some get it figured out, and some don't. At times it was even easier to suggest they just convert to BSO so they could add a line to their batch file/script to delete those .MSG files manually before moving game packets to their outbound fileboxes.

    After awhile, you get tired of repeating yourself (at least I do), and take it upon yourself to get rid of the problem so it is not a problem any more. *shrug*

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "Не знаю. Я здесь только работаю."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20161221
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)