I'm trying to get MBSE to compile on a mac (using the unix shell) and I can
get the CONFIGURE to run... now when I try to do the make I am getting this error... Sourceforge shows it will work with mac as I see the icon there but see little help on how to make it work.

This is my first time in the foray of compiling anything would appreciate
help.


Compiler is GCC : ............. yes

Installation directories :

Main directory : ........... /opt/mbse
Owner and group : ........... mbse.bbs

Now type 'make' and as root 'make install'

ORION:mbsebbs-1.0.6 AllenPrunty$ make

MBSE_ROOT is not set!

make: *** [all] Error 3

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Hello Allen!

04 Sep 16 17:32, you wrote to all:

I'm trying to get MBSE to compile on a mac (using the unix shell) and
I can get the CONFIGURE to run... now when I try to do the make I am getting this error... Sourceforge shows it will work with mac as I see
the icon there but see little help on how to make it work.

This is my first time in the foray of compiling anything would
appreciate help.

Compiler is GCC : ............. yes

Installation directories :

Main directory : ........... /opt/mbse
Owner and group : ........... mbse.bbs

Now type 'make' and as root 'make install'

ORION:mbsebbs-1.0.6 AllenPrunty$ make

MBSE_ROOT is not set!

make: *** [all] Error 3

It is asking for the environment variable MBSE_ROOT to find the root
directory. It sysms odd, as it already knows that it will be /opt/mbse

If you enter export MBSE_ROOT=/opt/mbse all should be well.
Later on mbse will want to run as user "mbse" and group "bbs"

If it still needs the environment variable MBSE_ROOT then, you can set the
value in the .profile file.

Don't look at me as an expert, I only ran a part of MBSE on Linux/Intel and
I have a demo system without bells, whistles and doors on a raspberry-Pi.

Andrew Leary is currently the most active Sysop where it concerns devopments,
such as keeping up with the features in Binkp.

MBSE was about the first package that supported IPv6 and although not yet
perfect, it was also the first supporting UTF-8.

The original developer Michiel Broek was aqainted with both IPv6 and UTF-8
from his professional job. Michiel has lost his interest in Fidonet and
is not available for questions with respect to MBSE.

I believe Vince Coen is now the custodian of the sources stored at
Sourceforge.

It is a nice package, but the menu-driven configuration drives me crazy and
I am not interested BBS's, so that part of the package is useless overhead
to me.

Kees


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Hello Allen!

Sunday September 04 2016 17:32, you wrote to All:

I'm trying to get MBSE to compile on a mac (using the unix shell) and
I can get the CONFIGURE to run... now when I try to do the make I am
getting this error... Sourceforge shows it will work with mac as I see
the icon there but see little help on how to make it work.

This is my first time in the foray of compiling anything would
appreciate help.

Compiler is GCC : ............. yes

Installation directories :

Main directory : ........... /opt/mbse
Owner and group : ........... mbse.bbs

Now type 'make' and as root 'make install'

ORION:mbsebbs-1.0.6 AllenPrunty$ make

MBSE_ROOT is not set!

Right, 1st things first.
1. Install home brew
2. install the source (you seem to have done that :)
3. load up 2 ternimals and in one go to the directory containing the mbse source having unzip'd/tar'd it.

4. On one terminal run less SETUP.sh
5. on other term follow the instruction that relate to autorun [bash SETUP.sh ] - which fails on mine (El Capitan) but does install the services into /etc/services - so useful for something.

6. Reading the SETUP (via 4) and using user & group set up set up first
A. the bbs group
B. the mbse user noting the details of set up via (4).
You will need to go into user set up twice (Advanced) to change group from staff to bbs.

Now following the instuctions in INSTALL and compile the package.
If you have any missing elements install them via home brew e.g., brew install packagename using a terminal.

That will do it for a wee while - I will look at continuing the install tomorrow and I seem to have hit a snag with wrong targets in the compile so must have a wrong setting somewhere.


Vince

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Hello Vince!

06 Sep 16 00:31, you wrote to Allen Prunty:

Right, 1st things first.
1. Install home brew
2. install the source (you seem to have done that :)
3. load up 2 ternimals and in one go to the directory containing the
mbse source having unzip'd/tar'd it.

4. On one terminal run less SETUP.sh
5. on other term follow the instruction that relate to autorun [bash SETUP.sh ] - which fails on mine (El Capitan) but does install the services into /etc/services - so useful for something.

6. Reading the SETUP (via 4) and using user & group set up set up
first A. the bbs group B. the mbse user noting the details of set up
via (4). You will need to go into user set up twice (Advanced) to
change group from staff to bbs.

Now following the instuctions in INSTALL and compile the package.
If you have any missing elements install them via home brew e.g., brew install packagename using a terminal.

That will do it for a wee while - I will look at continuing the
install tomorrow and I seem to have hit a snag with wrong targets in
the compile so must have a wrong setting somewhere.

Vince,

If you can give me the necessary information, I should be able to add support for the Intel Macs to SETUP.sh. I unfortunately do not have access to such a machine.

For the most part, it should be a matter of adjusting for differences in where the Macs store things like the users, groups, and passwords.

Andrew

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Hello Andrew!

Monday September 05 2016 21:13, you wrote to me:

4. On one terminal run less SETUP.sh
5. on other term follow the instruction that relate to autorun
[bash SETUP.sh ] - which fails on mine (El Capitan) but does
install the services into /etc/services - so useful for
something.

6. Reading the SETUP (via 4) and using user & group set up set up
first A. the bbs group B. the mbse user noting the details of set
up via (4). You will need to go into user set up twice (Advanced)
to change group from staff to bbs.

Now following the instuctions in INSTALL and compile the package.
If you have any missing elements install them via home brew e.g.,
brew install packagename using a terminal.

That will do it for a wee while - I will look at continuing the
install tomorrow and I seem to have hit a snag with wrong targets
in the compile so must have a wrong setting somewhere.

Vince,

If you can give me the necessary information, I should be able to add support for the Intel Macs to SETUP.sh. I unfortunately do not have
access to such a machine.

For the most part, it should be a matter of adjusting for differences
in where the Macs store things like the users, groups, and passwords.

It is going to be more than that -

Using passwd & group has to be replaced with a different call for each and every parameter requirement as the mac call only seems to take one param at a time and it goes to a different place but ends up in the same place i.e., /etc/passwd .

Next is that having homebrew installed is vital along with any required packages including GCC.

Location of the install is different as /opt is a link to the real /usr/local/Cellar and as that is on the 'boot' drive a user may well want it some where else (in my case /Users/mbse).

My head hurts :)

Next one is the build fails due to bad target - need to have a close look at that as yesterday I did not spot the obvious !

There is more :(

More later ....


Vince

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Quoting Vince Coen to Andrew Leary <=-

More later ....

I just wanted to say thank you for attempting this. There are people with mac's who would love for a working BBS software. When I ran mac's I always
had to run the BBS on a virtual machine and I always wanted a native
solution.

Shawn

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Hello Shawn!

06 Sep 16 11:05, you wrote to Vince Coen:

I just wanted to say thank you for attempting this. There are
people with mac's who would love for a working BBS software. When I
ran mac's I always had to run the BBS on a virtual machine and I
always wanted a native solution.

Better yet why can't they do the Mystic model and release a compiled version of
it? It tells me to edit a text file to remove **** after the password and I have no clue where that is in the text file. It's very complex and does not work.

Allen


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Quoting Allen Prunty to Shawn Highfield <=-

Better yet why can't they do the Mystic model and release a compiled version of it? It tells me to edit a text file to remove **** after

Too many different systems to release compiled versions. It's not needed Allen. I followed the instructions on a linux box and it worked fine, I
also followed Robert Wolfe's page (when it was up) and go it working on the
Pi.

the password and I have no clue where that is in the text file. It's
very complex and does not work.

Considering he says it doesn't work yet why does that surprise you?

Shawn

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Hello Vince!

Tuesday September 06 2016 10:50, Vince Coen wrote to Andrew Leary:

It is going to be more than that -

Using passwd & group has to be replaced with a different call for each
and every parameter requirement as the mac call only seems to take one param at a time and it goes to a different place but ends up in the
same place i.e., /etc/passwd .

OK. That can still be done; we just need a way to detect we are in an Intel Mac environment.

Next is that having homebrew installed is vital along with any
required packages including GCC.

This requirement can be addressed in the README, or possibly by adding a check to the configure script.

Location of the install is different as /opt is a link to the real /usr/local/Cellar and as that is on the 'boot' drive a user may well
want it some where else (in my case /Users/mbse).

Again, this is something we can address in the configure script.

My head hurts :)

Next one is the build fails due to bad target - need to have a close
look at that as yesterday I did not spot the obvious !

Ok. You'll need to take the lead on diagnosing that, unless someone donates an
Intel Mac to me... ;-)

There is more :(

More later ....

I'll be here.

Andrew

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Hello Allen!

Thursday September 08 2016 02:46, you wrote to Shawn Highfield:

Hello Shawn!

06 Sep 16 11:05, you wrote to Vince Coen:

I just wanted to say thank you for attempting this. There are
people with mac's who would love for a working BBS software.
When I ran mac's I always had to run the BBS on a virtual machine
and I always wanted a native solution.

Better yet why can't they do the Mystic model and release a compiled
version of it? It tells me to edit a text file to remove **** after
the password and I have no clue where that is in the text file. It's
very complex and does not work.

Having a compiled model will NOT support all users who use many different distro's and platforms as well as differing requirements just look at the needs
for internet only connects then and/or modem then some of the many other options including the location of the software and likewise the ftp files etc.

However if you can work a way of doing this I am sure we would love to supply mbse that way as I for one get bored having to config the package to suit my system requirements very time a useful new version is available.


Vince

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Hello Shawn!

08 Sep 16 09:51, you wrote to me:

Too many different systems to release compiled versions. It's not needed Allen. I followed the instructions on a linux box and it
worked fine, I also followed Robert Wolfe's page (when it was up) and
go it working on the Pi.

Might work for Linux but OSX is Unix not Linux. Hoping I can get an alternative to Mystic for the Mac.

Considering he says it doesn't work yet why does that surprise you?

Hence if someone can compile it for OSX why not distrubute it. UNlike ten million flavors of Linux one compiled version for OSX should work nearly across
the board for all intel macs.

Allen


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Hence if someone can compile it for OSX why not distrubute it. UNlike
ten million flavors of Linux one compiled version for OSX should work nearly across the board for all intel macs.

Allen.

He said it did not work. he was working on it.

Shawn

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* In a message originally to Allen Prunty, Shawn Highfield said:

He said it did not work. he was working on it.

I hope he's successful with it... in the meantime I'm playing with
ELEBBS.

Allen


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Hello Allen!

09 Sep 16 23:53, you wrote to me:

I hope he's successful with it... in the meantime I'm playing with
ELEBBS.

I do as well.

Shawn


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* In a message originally to Allen Prunty, Shawn Highfield said:

I do as well.

Can you help with EleBBS?

Allen


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Hello Andrew!

Thursday September 08 2016 08:29, you wrote to me:

Next one is the build fails due to bad target - need to have a
close look at that as yesterday I did not spot the obvious !

Got past this one its in lib/strutil.c needs test for Darwin.

Having done that it still fails so in the interim I replaced the error msg with
setting the return to give Darwin but ..

Compiling it fails (have sent a msg to that effect I think), so need to look into that and see if I can spot the obvious but so far cannot see it.
Does produce a far number of warning so might be a conflict with missing headers etc. Will need to reread the required libs etc and see if they are installed.

No it would not suprise me if they aren't - then it will be a case of finding them in the brew system.

More later...


Vince

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Can you help with EleBBS?

Nope never ran it sorry. Also don't have a mac anymore got rid of
my last one 7 years ago and I'd never buy another. ;) (I'm not
against mac, I just don't like where they took the OS / COmputers)

Shawn



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Hello Allen.

10 Sep 16 19:11, you wrote to Shawn Highfield:

I do as well.

Can you help with EleBBS?

I saw your request at our Facebook group, Ioram Sette is an active
ELEBBS sysop, he actually replied to your question there,
take a look. :)

Flavio

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12 Sep 16 11:21, you wrote to Allen Prunty:

I do as well.

Can you help with EleBBS?

I saw your request at our Facebook group, Ioram Sette is an active
ELEBBS sysop, he actually replied to your question there, take a look.
:)

some of us do not do FB... it would be very nice if those supporting and working with EleBBS used the (official?) mailing list maintained by PCMike ;)

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Hello mark.

12 Sep 16 16:38, you wrote to me:

active ELEBBS sysop, he actually replied to your question there,
take a look.
:)

some of us do not do FB... it would be very nice if those supporting
and working with EleBBS used the (official?) mailing list maintained
by PCMike ;)

I wasn't aware of that. What would be the mailing list address?

Flavio

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15 Sep 16 12:10, you wrote to me:

active ELEBBS sysop, he actually replied to your question there,
take a look. :)

some of us do not do FB... it would be very nice if those supporting
and working with EleBBS used the (official?) mailing list maintained
by PCMike ;)

I wasn't aware of that. What would be the mailing list address?

IIRC i joined via the page on the support site...

http://www.elebbs.com/index.php?category=12

there is also this blurb at the bottom of all posts on the list...

[quote]
Please read the PC Micro EleBBS FAQ before asking questions.

To unsubscribe write to "listbot@thebbs.org" and put the words
"unsubscribe elebbs@thebbs.org" in the SUBJECT of the message.
[/quote]

so i'd imagine that writing to listbot with "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe" as noted above would also get one signed in...

the FAQ is here: http://www.pcmicro.com/elebbs/faq/

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Hello Kees!

Monday September 05 2016 18:36, you wrote to Allen Prunty:

Don't look at me as an expert, I only ran a part of MBSE on
Linux/Intel and I have a demo system without bells, whistles and doors
on a raspberry-Pi.

What did you do to get it to compile on a Pi as I have another user who has tried it without success. Likewise on OSX.





Vince

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What did you do to get it to compile on a Pi as I have another user who has tried it without success. Likewise on OSX.

The instructions to get it to compile on Raspian/Debian are on th MBSE
Face book page, which I moderate. If you need the link to it, please
hit me up and let me know.

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On Nov 19, 2016 06:33pm, Vince Coen wrote to Kees Van Eeten:

What did you do to get it to compile on a Pi as I have another user who has tried it without success. Likewise on OSX

Just checking in on if you got OSX to work with it?

Allen
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Hello Allen!

Wednesday December 14 2016 05:59, you wrote to me:

On Nov 19, 2016 06:33pm, Vince Coen wrote to Kees Van Eeten:

What did you do to get it to compile on a Pi as I have another
user who has tried it without success. Likewise on OSX

Just checking in on if you got OSX to work with it?

Did I nuts - fails during the compile but get similar for building the GnuCobol
compiler as well.

I am NOT experienced with OSX and only got it to have a play as it is possible the only O/S I have never used. Last usage of Apple software and hardware was with Apple II with a North Star drives (floppy ?) around 1980.



Vince

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On Dec 15, 2016 10:01pm, Vince Coen wrote to Allen Prunty:

I am NOT experienced with OSX and only got it to have a play as it is possible the only O/S I have never used. Last usage of Apple software
and hardware was with Apple II with a North Star drives (floppy ?)
around 1980.

That OS is so far removed rom the modern apple OS of today... but it was
pretty nice for it's day.

Allen
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Hello Allen!

Thursday December 15 2016 17:43, you wrote to me:

On Dec 15, 2016 10:01pm, Vince Coen wrote to Allen Prunty:

I am NOT experienced with OSX and only got it to have a play as
it is possible the only O/S I have never used. Last usage of
Apple software and hardware was with Apple II with a North Star
drives (floppy ?) around 1980.

That OS is so far removed rom the modern apple OS of today... but it
was pretty nice for it's day.

Was not comparing it as it was core system and do not even remember what - for all I remember it might have been CPM.

Did however sell/distribute software, hardware, books and mags from the 70's thgat was for micros including Microsoft with Windows v1 & v2 (unuseable so not
sold) Msdos v1 and later and started distributing and fully supporting Windows v3.0 (limited sales to micro manu. only) v3.1 to all.

Apple I managed to keep clear of until I bought this 2009 Mac Pro and have only
upgraded Ram from 6Gb to 24Gb with the hope it would improve performance but currently only have working MySql server as my box has mariadb as distro standard which I do not like.


Vince

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On Dec 16, 2016 02:06pm, Vince Coen wrote to Allen Prunty:

Apple I managed to keep clear of until I bought this 2009 Mac Pro and
have only
upgraded Ram from 6Gb to 24Gb with the hope it would improve
performance but currently only have working MySql server as my box has mariadb as distro standard which I do not like.

Do you by any chance know if that's an intel based or a motorola based CPU
mac? 2009 could go either way. The amazing thing about Macs that I have experienced is that they do have great longevity. Before I became disabled
and knew I had trouble I bought a really nice Mac Pro (the one that looks like the round trashcan) with the intel xenon processor. It will probably be the last new computer I will ever have.

Last October, my brother passed away, and I inherited his nice Dell laptop which I am currently running my BBS on.

I also have a couple of older e-machines that I'm going to load linux on, unfortunately they have been stored in a garage that was not climate control
so I'm not expecting them to work. If they work it will be great.

Allen
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