*** Answering a msg posted in area ECHOLIST (ECHOLIST).

Hi All,

On 2015-11-25 19:30:08, EchoList Robot wrote to you:

MBSEBBS
MBSE BBS Development/Chat
MBSEBBS is for support, development, and discussion of
MBSE BBS by some of its current developers. MBSE sysops
and users are welcome as are any other interested persons.
Status: Active
Origin: 1:18/200 Group: Fido
Distribution: Worldwide
Gateways: None, period.
Language:
# Nodes: N/A Volume: 10/mo Rules:
Flags: <Real Names Only>
Notes: /REAL
Moderators: Sean Dennis, 1:18/200, sysop@outpostbbs.net
Andrew Leary, 1:320/119, ajleary19@gmail.com
Last changed: 25-Nov-2015 by Sean Dennis, 1:18/200, sean@outpostbbs.net

Btw: Why do "we" need another MBSE (support) area?

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Wilfred!

Wednesday December 16 2015 09:08, you wrote to All:

*** Answering a msg posted in area ECHOLIST (ECHOLIST).

Hi All,

On 2015-11-25 19:30:08, EchoList Robot wrote to you:

MBSEBBS
MBSE BBS Development/Chat
MBSEBBS is for support, development, and discussion of
MBSE BBS by some of its current developers. MBSE
sysops
and users are welcome as are any other interested
persons.
Status: Active
Origin: 1:18/200 Group: Fido
Distribution: Worldwide
Gateways: None, period.
Language:
# Nodes: N/A Volume: 10/mo Rules:
Flags: <Real Names Only>
Notes: /REAL
Moderators: Sean Dennis, 1:18/200, sysop@outpostbbs.net
Andrew Leary, 1:320/119, ajleary19@gmail.com
Last changed: 25-Nov-2015 by Sean Dennis, 1:18/200,
sean@outpostbbs.net

Btw: Why do "we" need another MBSE (support) area?

Bye, Wilfred.

We don't. It really should be killed off.

It is not on/in the backbone however a file area of the same name does exist for distribution of new releases.


Vince

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16 Dec 15 13:18, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

We don't. It really should be killed off.

why? it is just an entry in the echolist...

)\/(ark

"So let me ask you a question about this brave new world of yours. When you've killed all the bad guys, and when it's all perfect, and just and fair, and when
you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you? The trouble makers. How are you going to protect your
glorious revolution from the next one?" - The twelfth Doctor

... Beef: It's what's for dinner.
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Hi,

On 2015-12-16 11:12:34, mark lewis wrote to Vince Coen:
about: "Added - MBSEBBS":

We don't. It really should be killed off.

why? it is just an entry in the echolist...

Are you serious? It confuses the hell out of people that use the echolist to find areas...

Bye, Wilfred.


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16 Dec 15 19:56, you wrote to me:

about: "Added - MBSEBBS":

We don't. It really should be killed off.

why? it is just an entry in the echolist...

Are you serious? It confuses the hell out of people that use the echolist to find areas...

quite serious... the echolist only lists echotags and some info for that tag...
seeing an echotag listed would then lead one to look in their feeds' listings of available echos... the echolist carries information that cannot be placed in
a (eg) backbone.na file... this is why the various backbones have always had their NA files... if the echotag is listed in the NA then the area is available
from that backbone... if you are connected directly to a backbone system, you should be able to areafix the area with no problem... if you are a hop or more off the backbone, then the systems between you and the backbone need to forward
the requests for unknown areas upstream unless they already have the area... either way, the area should be turned on and sent downstream...

it isn't the cleanest system in the world but it works for the most part... it is rather sad that others didn't fully pick up on it in the past... then things
like fidoweb broke it completely because there's no central set of systems that
can generate a list of all the areas the fidoweb carries... that puts folks back into the dark ages trying to hunt around and find a system that might carry the area...


FWIW: IIRC and truth be told, the NA extension originally started out to signify the North American backbone's listing... one for europe might have been
backbone.eu... australia's might have been backbone.au... the NO file came about to hold echotags that were no longer carried on the NA backbone... the lists didn't have to be called anything specific, though... other distribution systems had their own but most followed the NA/NO extension... then some bbs authors came up with the idea to allow operators to fully populate their bbs' message area configs by importing the NA files... sometime around then is also when operators started simply sending areafixes for "+*" or "+all" to turn on all areas at their feed regardless if they or their users were interested in them...

)\/(ark

"So let me ask you a question about this brave new world of yours. When you've killed all the bad guys, and when it's all perfect, and just and fair, and when
you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you? The trouble makers. How are you going to protect your
glorious revolution from the next one?" - The twelfth Doctor

... Marriage is a long tedious meal with dessert at the beginning.
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Hello Wilfred!

Wednesday December 16 2015 19:56, you wrote to mark lewis:

Hi,

On 2015-12-16 11:12:34, mark lewis wrote to Vince Coen:
about: "Added - MBSEBBS":

We don't. It really should be killed off.

why? it is just an entry in the echolist...

Are you serious? It confuses the hell out of people that use the
echolist to find areas...

and more importantly it does not do anything for the community and the fact that it is the same name as the file distribution area doesn't help anyone.

It should be killed off - there is no need for a secondary area over mbse that covers all topics related to the MBSE package.

Clearly sone ones attempt of creating a copyright type function within Fido.



Vince

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17 Dec 15 16:45, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

Clearly sone ones attempt of creating a copyright type function within Fido.

somehow i don't think so... not as far as copyright goes...

)\/(ark

"So let me ask you a question about this brave new world of yours. When you've killed all the bad guys, and when it's all perfect, and just and fair, and when
you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you? The trouble makers. How are you going to protect your
glorious revolution from the next one?" - The twelfth Doctor

... Tatercrater: Hole dug in mashed potatoes to keep gravy in.
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Hello mark!

Friday December 18 2015 11:22, you wrote to me:

17 Dec 15 16:45, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

Clearly sone ones attempt of creating a copyright type function
within Fido.

somehow i don't think so... not as far as copyright goes...

It stops anyone else from creating echo with same name so it is a form of copyright / patent etc that prevents usage - seems to be happening a lot in fido these days.

Some sad people.

Vince

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19 Dec 15 13:35, you wrote to me:

Clearly sone ones attempt of creating a copyright type function
within Fido.

somehow i don't think so... not as far as copyright goes...

It stops anyone else from creating echo with same name so it is a form
of copyright / patent etc that prevents usage -

not really... it just prevents them from listing it in that particular echolist... anyone can still create a message echo with that same tag and distribute it... it may or may not be carried by any backbone distribution systems depending on their cartage requirements... there's the possibility that
if the one in the echolist does actually get created and distributed there may be a cross-link between the two... this very thing (cross-linking) is being done right now with the DEBATE echo... one originates here in Z1 and the other apparently originates in Z2 with at least one specific system purposely cross-linking them... shades of roy witt and his ""blockade running"" of the FIDONEWS echo some time back...

seems to be happening a lot in fido these days.

no... maybe just more noticible these days but things like this have been going
on in fidonet for 30 years or so... do you remember bob moravsik (aka bobo)? he
and a few others of that time put out a lot of effort in this area specifically
to muck with others...

Some sad people.

possibly... possibly not... has anyone actually talked to Sean and/or RJ(?) to find out the real story or is everyone just spouting speculation and inuendo?

)\/(ark

"So let me ask you a question about this brave new world of yours. When you've killed all the bad guys, and when it's all perfect, and just and fair, and when
you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you? The trouble makers. How are you going to protect your
glorious revolution from the next one?" - The twelfth Doctor

... There's veal, there's pork, there's Turkey. But nuthin' beats HAM.
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