Can anyone name some good IGM's for LORD? Preferably ones that are for all ages.
Thanks,
Scott
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Scott Brown wrote to All:

Can anyone name some good IGM's for LORD? Preferably ones that are for all ages.

There is (of course) Barak's House, written by Seth himself when he
he wrote the IGM stuff for lord. It's one of the best.

I also like the original lordnet. There are so many.. :)

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Can anyone name some good IGM's for LORD? Preferably ones that are for all ages. > Thanks, > Scott > Lord Blue > The Realms Of Blue BBS
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Send me an email at either gtidmore (at) hiwaay.net or ktidmore (at) bellsouth.net, and I'll prepare a list of good igms for you. If you want igms that are still supported by their authors, there are only a few dozen. Most of which belong either to me, Lloyd Hannesson, Marty Blankenship, Jay Hodges, or to Bryan Turner. Pretty much every other LORD author has given up on supporting their igms. Its been over two years now since anyone besides me (and Jay Hodges) released any igms for the DOS LORD game.

All of my igms are for all ages of LORD users. Some might need to be played with LORD in Clean Mode if the users are children. On the other hand, if they can handle LORD itself, then they should be able to handle my igms. Otherwise,
they have no business playing the LORD game I believe. It was pretty much created for teenagers and adults if I recall correctly.

There are something around 250 or so LORD IGms counting only their last released versions. Of those igms, though, pretty much 80 percent of them are either 100% dead igms or abandoned igms. Their authors can't be located or they don't provide support for their programs. In some cases, the authors of dead igms have been found by me or others, but reported that they no longer had
the program's source code. If you want only igms that can be registered, there
are around a dozen LORD IGm authors that you can rely upon. And the number keeps dwindling as time goes by, and people get the impression that the LORD game has been abandoned by both Michael Preslar and by Gameport. Many have had
so much hassle getting LORD 4.07 to work under DOS/Windows or under OS/2 that they simply gave up on the game, after they found it impossible to get technical support for the game. This is based on what I've read here on Fidonet, and on Preslar's web-site. Basically since Gameport doesn't really care about LORD since it makes little money form the game, they won't even try to give you technical support. At least that's how I've heard things from a lot of people over the last couple of years.

The situation with LORD II and Wildcat Tournament Lord is even worse, where both games are considered to be dead by many people. WT-Lord is definitely dead since the author can't recreate the game, due to having lost pretty much all of its source code over the years. Plus no one now makes any WT-Lord igms at all, since Joseph Watson disappeared over 18 months ago.

Give me some idea of your criteria for what a "good igm" is when you respond. If its an igm that is supported by someone today, expect the list to be around 3 to 4 dozen igms in all. And of those authors, I have not heard a thing from over half of them in well over a year. Pretty much every one of them has officially retired from doing BBS programming of any kind. Donald

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Scott Brown wrote:

Can anyone name some good IGM's for LORD? Preferably ones that are for all ages.
Thanks,
Scott
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jadov ,weapons of war, violet's cottage, alladin's palace,

It's a tough call on what are good current IGM's. :) I started
getting on these lists since I play on some LORD games (a regular one
and a WT-LORD one on the Prison Board BBS telnet://rdfig.net.

Got with my sysop to register some of the IGM's and said I was willing
to help pay the money, but then he came back and said "Well I would, but
I can't find them." I was like "Whhhaaa?!" Figured good ole google
would come through on some of these, still haven't given up, but sure
enough many of theese have basically vanished.

Anyway, how's it going out there?

Heard someone say a bit back that "since BBS's are basically dead..."
Yeh, they have been basically "dead" since 1996. We're still here. :D

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Greg Goodwin wrote:

It's a tough call on what are good current IGM's. :) I started
getting on these lists since I play on some LORD games (a regular one
and a WT-LORD one on the Prison Board BBS telnet://rdfig.net.

Got with my sysop to register some of the IGM's and said I was willing
to help pay the money, but then he came back and said "Well I would, but
I can't find them." I was like "Whhhaaa?!"

yeah most igm authors have thrown away the source to their igms.
all the good ones anyways. :D

there's lots of cracks out there to use.

It's a tough call on what are good current IGM's. :) I started
getting on these lists since I play on some LORD games (a regular one
and a WT-LORD one on the Prison Board BBS telnet://rdfig.net.

Got with my sysop to register some of the IGM's and said I was willing
to help pay the money, but then he came back and said "Well I would, but
I can't find them." I was like "Whhhaaa?!"

yeah most igm authors have thrown away the source to their igms.
all the good ones anyways. :D

Man that is a shame. Are there established keys to some of these? Or
ways to hack them into a registration mode?

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yeah most igm authors have thrown away the source to their igms.
all the good ones anyways. :D

Man that is a shame. Are there established keys to some of these? Or
ways to hack them into a registration mode?

yep there's been plenty of cracks and registration codes for lord igms
for a very long time and they are easily accessible.

Got with my sysop to register some of the IGM's and said I was willing to help pay the money, but then he came back and said "Well I would, but I can't find them." I was like "Whhhaaa?!"

yeah most igm authors have thrown away the source to their igms.
all the good ones anyways. :D

Man that is a shame. Are there established keys to some of these? Or
ways to hack them into a registration mode? > Doc Clu

About the only people that I know of who did WT-LORD IGMs, who you can still get in contact with, are Janet Terry and Joseph Watson. One can't get Joseph's
programs from his wtlord software web-site any more, since it was shut down sometime earlier this year. He can still be reached by email at jwatson (at) suddenlink.net however. This info is direct quote from him from a recent Nov 2009 email message I got from him:

"My BBS is online .... same as always. bbs.farpointbbs.com or 66.76.56.123
I still support my programs but currently only release new stuff for my personal BBS. JW"

Janet Terry stopped doing bbs programming well over 2 years ago. All of the known wtlord igms that have been released as of 2 years ago, can be downloaded from my Camelot FDN site at http://camelot.filegate.net/wtlord/ .

Or from http://www.nightfallgames.com/files/WTLord/.

I'm about the only person still working on igms for LORD. Pretty much everyone
else that I know of stopped doing LORD programs over 2 years ago. A lot of people blame Preslar for that situation since he stopped encouraging people to write Lord programs. A lot of that blame though also has to be
placed on Metropolis Gameport who provide absolutely no support whatsoever to people who register the LORD games. They take the money and then do nothing for you. They don't pay Michael Preslar much, if anything, so he
has little motivation to work on the LORD games. Donald

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A lot of people blame Preslar for that situation since he stopped encouraging people to write Lord programs.

hold on, hold on.. WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?
this is just something you are making up.

What lord developer has EVER encouraged people to 'write lord programs' ?
the information is out there for people to make games if they decide

seriously dude you need to shut the hell up.

you do not visit bbses, you do not know what goes on in the bbs scene.
you never have.

every fucking time you post in here you do your tired song and dance about not getting ahold of people and blaming mike preslar for various things.

A lot of that blame though
also has to be
placed on Metropolis Gameport who provide absolutely no support whatsoever to people who register the LORD games. They take the money and then do nothing for you. They don't pay Michael Preslar much, if anything, so he has little motivation to work on the LORD games. Donald

you install the game and it works. there's docs. lord is the easiest to install doorgame ever.

you dont need support.

earth to tidmore: it's the end of 2009

it is not 1994

things have changed.


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Thanks for pointing at least one active WT LORD Door game author out
there. Hard to believe so many of them have just poofed!

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Re: Re: Lord IGM's
By: Greg Goodwin to Donald Tidmore on Mon Dec 21 2009 02:11 pm

Thanks for pointing at least one active WT LORD Door game author out
there. Hard to believe so many of them have just poofed!

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well i dont think it's THAT hard to belive considering how bbsing has
been the past 10 years.
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Thanks for pointing at least one active WT LORD Door game author out
there. Hard to believe so many of them have just poofed!

You're welcome for the info about Joseph Watson. The saddest thing about
the BBS door games "world" is that probably only 10-25 percent or less of the games that are still in use have real technical support available today. And by
"real", I mean stuff like an author who actually RESPONDS to feedback on his/her programs regardless of whether its good or bad. An author you can actually TALK to via email, ICQ/Trillian, or BBS/web-site. Authors who actually release updates to their programs periodically in response to bug reports.

One of the sad facts about a lot of door games is how the programmers won't respond to requests for help from registered users. Or how they outright ignore any bug reports that come from people who use a game in its Local Mode. Then there are the programmers who continue to require you to pay for registrations for igms/door games, but who won't ever release new versions.

What's the point in paying for a program if the programmer doesn't provide technical support for it? In many cases, you can easily find another program that does the same stuff that is freeware or whose programmer does respond to requests for help. We all can probably think of several programmers
who don't give a damn about providing support, but who still want you to send them money for their programs. Most of which are in the BBS programs category. But there are also Internet utilities that have been abandoned in some cases that people come to rely on. I often wonder how many programs
are out there that BBS sysops rely on for which they can't get tech support. Donald.



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some cases that people come to rely on. I often wonder how many programs are out there that BBS sysops rely on for which they can't get tech support.

I think aside from Syncronet and NTServer/Wildcat most of the other BBS
sysops just dig into what they have knowing they will not get much
support.

And it is a shame that there are so many door games that lack support.
Jas Hud mentioned the state of BBS's in the last ten years, which is the
time I gauge on how long the Newton has been gone.

In that case we have about 25% of the development companies still
responding, and a few that don't, and everything in between in now
freeware or the source is available.

I get the feeling the trend to "release source code for the good of the community" was something that tended to catch on with departing people
in the Newton scene but not so much the BBS scene. Shame really.

My only gripe is some of those good products that you WANT to use, and
WANT to register. I don't mind that improvements are not there, but it
would be nice to actually be able to use it. Now those are a shame.

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Thanks for pointing at least one active WT LORD Door game author out there. Hard to believe so many of them have just poofed!

You're welcome for the info about Joseph Watson. The saddest thing about the BBS door games "world" is that probably only 10-25 percent or less of the games that are still in use have real technical support available
today. And by "real", I mean stuff like an author who actually RESPONDS to feedback on his/her programs regardless of whether its good or bad. An author you can actually TALK to via email, ICQ/Trillian, or BBS/web-site. Authors who actually release updates to their programs periodically in response to bug reports.

One of the sad facts about a lot of door games is how the programmers won't respond to requests for help from registered users. Or how they outright ignore any bug reports that come from people who use a game in its Local Mode. Then there are the programmers who continue to require you to pay for registrations for igms/door games, but who won't ever release new versions. What's the point in paying for a program if the programmer doesn't provide technical support for it? In many cases, you can easily find another program that does the same stuff that is freeware or whose programmer does respond to requests for help. We all can probably think of several programmers
who don't give a damn about providing support, but who still want you to send them money for their programs. Most of which are in the BBS programs category. But there are also Internet utilities that have been abandoned
in some cases that people come to rely on. I often wonder how many programs are out there that BBS sysops rely on for which they can't get
tech support. Donald.

tidmore, bbsing is dead pretty much. these games you are talking about were at their heyday 15 years ago.

you are ignored from most door developers because you have a bad reputation amongst them. you develop these strange issues with them due to unorthodox methods and then trash talk the authors in public.

that being said, you are not a bbs user and you couldnt set up ANY doorgame that us sysops setup; you dont have the computer knowledge to do so.

name one bbs doorgame that requires 'support'. i cant think of one.

they come with pretty explanatory documentation , and when that doesnt help,
us sysops help eachother out.

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some cases that people come to rely on. I often wonder how many programs are out there that BBS sysops rely on for which they can't get tech support.

I think aside from Syncronet and NTServer/Wildcat most of the other BBS sysops just dig into what they have knowing they will not get much support.

And it is a shame that there are so many door games that lack support.
Jas Hud mentioned the state of BBS's in the last ten years, which is the time I gauge on how long the Newton has been gone.

In that case we have about 25% of the development companies still responding, and a few that don't, and everything in between in now freeware or the source is available.

I get the feeling the trend to "release source code for the good of the community" was something that tended to catch on with departing people
in the Newton scene but not so much the BBS scene. Shame really.

My only gripe is some of those good products that you WANT to use, and WANT to register. I don't mind that improvements are not there, but it would be nice to actually be able to use it. Now those are a shame.

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well, these were their programs, they dont HAVE to release the sourcecode, and sometimes i wonder if that would even be productive.

usurper's source has been released but there hasnt been any fixes for it's
very serious issues.

regarding requiring support.. i dont think that's an issue. most of these
games are very straight forward and if you setup the dropfile to go in the right location they just plain work.

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