So what's new, exciting, and/or interesting in the Realm?

Any active & fun games left out there?

Any new interesting/fun IGMs?

Does ANYBODY even CARE any more?

Because I care,
|<+]::-{)} (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))

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George Pope wrote in a message to ALL:

Does ANYBODY even CARE any more?

Doesn't seem like it.

Later,
Sean

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Re: L.O.R.D.
By: Sean Dennis to George Pope on Mon Jun 25 2007 04:03 pm

George Pope wrote in a message to ALL:

Does ANYBODY even CARE any more?

Doesn't seem like it.

that's the new mentality!

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Jason Hud wrote in a message to Sean Dennis:

that's the new mentality!

New? Hardly.

Later,
Sean

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George Pope wrote in a message to ALL:

Does ANYBODY even CARE any more?

Doesn't seem like it.

That's what Donald Tidmore has been spewing about for weeks. If
L.O.R.D. has indeed become "abandonware"...as so many other BBS doors have...it's time to either:

1) Pick up the pieces, and move on
2) Get new BBS users to play the games already in place

There is more to life than L.O.R.D. and BBSing. While I've been
Sysoping for over 16 years, I don't spend every waking moment with it.

Daryl

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Daryl Stout wrote in a message to SEAN DENNIS:

There is more to life than L.O.R.D. and BBSing. While I've been
Sysoping for over 16 years, I don't spend every waking moment with
it.

Yep. I mostly run my board on auto-pilot and people don't complain too much.
<G> But as for LORD, from what I've seen about Michael and how he feels, he
could give a flying rat's ass about what happens anymore. Over the years, he's
grown rather selfish, sadly - and this comes from someone who was with Michael from the start (he called me at work the day he got the LORD contract, all excited and full of ideas).

If Michael's done with it, he should just turn his source over to Gameport and let someone else do it. But from what he's told me, he doesn't want to give Gameport the new source. So whatever. I'm running a 4.06 registered game and I have a 4.07 registered game too.

Later,
Sean

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Hi, Sean...

If Michael's done with it, he should just turn his source over to Gameport a

He used to do a deal with The BBS XChange...I think Mike Ehlert is
handling that now.

I don't know if something happened to Michael Preslar or not...he just "disappeared".

Daryl

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Re: L.O.R.D.
By: Daryl Stout to SEAN DENNIS on Fri Jun 29 2007 11:13 am

He used to do a deal with The BBS XChange...I think Mike Ehlert is
handling that now.

I don't know if something happened to Michael Preslar or not...he just "disappeared".

Daryl

i heard he died.

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In a reply from Jason Hud on 13:01 about L.O.R.D.

He used to do a deal with The BBS XChange...I think Mike Ehlert is handling that now.

I don't know if something happened to Michael Preslar or not...he just "disappeared".

i heard he died.

I still see his IM's online

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Re: L.O.R.D.
By: Daryl Stout to SEAN DENNIS on Fri Jun 29 2007 11:13 am

He used to do a deal with The BBS XChange...I think Mike Ehlert is
handling that now.
I don't know if something happened to Michael Preslar or not...he just
"disappeared".
Daryl

i heard he died.

It would be nice to know for sure what happened to him. And it would be nice to know who, if anyone, is responsible for technical support for the games. Most of us paid money for a legal registration of LORD, and that entitled us to
technical support I think. Many people want to know if the games are indeed abandon-ware, dead-ware, etc -- or not. They may not express that sentiment on
Fidonet, but it doesn't mean that it is not a question that most LORD fans are continually wondering about.

Part of the problem with writing to Michael Preslar directly, at least in my case, is that he often ignored my legitimate bug reports in the past two years period -- until someone else made them also. And of course, he seemed to love to scream at me in email which I just got tired of. So I pretty much gave up trying to communicate with him via email. And he abandoned Fidonet's BBS echoes
like this one over a year ago, if I remember correctly. One can look through the BBS-related echoes for over a year, and not once see his name under the FROM column heading for messages.

Everyone wants to know whether a game they love is supported or not. That's the
basic question people are asking. In the past couple of weeks, its been said on this echo or in DoorGames echo, that he refused/refuses to give the most current Lord source code to Gameport. If that's indeed true, would that be classified as breach of contract between program author and program owner?

If anyone knows answers to questions like these, perhaps they need to start giving them. Its easy enough to do the "bite donald's head off" routine for my asking questions like this. Its harder to tell the truth and stand by one's opinions, especially when you get flamed for doing so, in my case. But the truth is what we all deserve to know.

Perhaps its time for a discussion of just how many BBS programs are now unsupported simply because the authors gave up on them, because no one expressed feedback about them to the authors. We all like to rant about one thing or other at times, but its been years in this echo since we had a good discussion about LORD that wasn't about flaming. That is sad, isn't it? Donald


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Jason Hud wrote in a message to Daryl Stout:

i heard he died.

He told me he had the beginnings of emphysima (sp!).

Later,
Sean

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Jason Hud wrote:

Re: L.O.R.D.
By: Daryl Stout to SEAN DENNIS on Fri Jun 29 2007 11:13 am

He used to do a deal with The BBS XChange...I think Mike Ehlert is handling that now.

I don't know if something happened to Michael Preslar or not...he just "disappeared".

Daryl

i heard he died.

The Daily Happenings.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
The town is in grief. Michael Preslar did'nt come home today.




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Does ANYBODY even CARE any more?

Doesn't seem like it.

That's it, then? The interweb wins? :'(

Because I care,
|<+]::-{)} (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))

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Yep. I mostly run my board on auto-pilot and people don't complain too muc

If they do complain, hey, there's about 458,770,902 other places to be in cyberspace at any given moment, give or take 358,661!

If Michael's done with it, he should just turn his source over to Gameport let someone else do it. But from what he's told me, he doesn't want to giv Gameport the new source. So whatever. I'm running a 4.06 registered game I have a 4.07 registered game too.

Wouldn't Gameport actually OWN the source, technically/legally, being as they contracted the project out to him?


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In a reply from JAHMAS on 08:41 about Re: L.O.R.D.

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hmmmm, I not the mod. here but where the message?

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Re: L.O.R.D.
By: Robert E Starr JR to Jason Hud on Sun Jul 01 2007 03:49 pm

i heard he died.

I still see his IM's online

he died before he could close MSN. sad really.

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Re: L.O.R.D.
By: Donald Tidmore to Jason Hud on Sun Jul 01 2007 06:31 pm

It would be nice to know for sure what happened to him. And it would be nic to know who, if anyone, is responsible for technical support for the games. Most of us paid money for a legal registration of LORD, and that entitled us

dude, shut the fuck up already with the "where is he, everyone needs support, nobody replies to me".


tidmore, nobody likes you. you write these 30 page emails to people and you are like a tick on someone's ass.

you dont even run a bbs.

my copy of lord runs fine, so do the copies on the 3 or 4 bbses i help maintain.

why dont you work on making your igms less ugly and keep the preslar stalking to a minimum.

from christ's sake, it's a bbs doorgame. any support you need is in the documentation.



please excuse my rude behavior moderator, i am a sick person and i require free psychological counseling.

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Re: L.O.R.D.
By: Sean Dennis to Jason Hud on Sun Jul 01 2007 10:58 pm

Jason Hud wrote in a message to Daryl Stout:

i heard he died.

He told me he had the beginnings of emphysima (sp!).

Later, Sean

yes, and when he was having that coughing fit while walking that cross walk, he did not see that grayhound bus loom around the corner....

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Re: Re: L.O.R.D.
By: Mindless Automaton to Jason Hud on Sun Jul 01 2007 10:00 pm

i heard he died.

The Daily Happenings.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The
town is in grief. Michael Preslar did'nt come home today.

okay, that's good. you get a giant cookie from this echo for that.

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Re: L.O.R.D.
By: George Pope to Sean Dennis on Sun Jul 01 2007 12:16 pm

Does ANYBODY even CARE any more?

Doesn't seem like it.

That's it, then? The interweb wins? :'(

Because I care, |<+]::-{)} (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))

hey, i care. i may be one of the last .... wait... NOPE... it appears that i have stopped caring.


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Re: L.O.R.D.
By: George Pope to Sean Dennis on Sun Jul 01 2007 12:18 pm

Yep. I mostly run my board on auto-pilot and people don't complain too

If they do complain, hey, there's about 458,770,902 other places to be in cyberspace at any given moment, give or take 358,661!

i've learned you really can't please ANYBODY, so just do your own thing and people will filter in and out.

Wouldn't Gameport actually OWN the source, technically/legally, being as the contracted the project out to him?

yes they own the source, and they do the same with other people, so i'm told. i'm sure any of these authors could just pull a fast one on them and give
them an older ver if they so asked for it.


anyways, lord works fine, so who cares.
i'm past the point where i want something new all the time; i just get disappointed.

i personally got the code for the new lord version, they still had my registration on file from waaaaaay back in the 90's [lord+planets were my first doorgames that i registered, out of 4, i think]

i've decided to use v 4.6 because it seems more stable, and i've done so on other bbses that i've maintained. that's not a shot at the author, that's
just what i chose to do.

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George Pope wrote in a message to Sean Dennis:

Wouldn't Gameport actually OWN the source, technically/legally,
being as they contracted the project out to him?

Yes.

Later,
Sean

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Jason Hud wrote in a message to George Pope:

i've decided to use v 4.6 because it seems more stable, and i've
done so on other bbses that i've maintained. that's not a shot at
the author, that's just what i chose to do.

That's what I'm running here too.

Later,
Sean

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SEAN DENNIS wrote to JASON HUD <=-

i heard he died.

He told me he had the beginnings of emphysima (sp!).

I got that, but I ain't dead yet :)... I did finally quit smoking
though.

As for Mike, haven't heard from him myself in awhile. I emailed him
awhat back because I had files on my system for him, but he never
replied back.

Kev


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JASON HUD wrote to ROBERT E STARR JR <=-

I still see his IM's online

he died before he could close MSN. sad really.

Sorry LOL but that is funny, Sadly. I have often thought about that. I
got IM's, the board, etc... what happens if I die, will my wife shut
everything down or keep it running? :) hehe. Knowing her, she'll shut it
all down, pack it up in the storage room and use my office for a arts
and crafts room.. the one she has always wanted.

Kev


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On 2007-07-03 15:24:38 -0400, "Kevin Nunn -> Jason Hud" <1:397/10> said:

Sorry LOL but that is funny, Sadly. I have often thought about that. I
got IM's, the board, etc... what happens if I die, will my wife shut everything down or keep it running? :) hehe. Knowing her, she'll shut it
all down, pack it up in the storage room and use my office for a arts
and crafts room.. the one she has always wanted.

Don't feel bad, I asked my wife what she'd do with all this computer and recording
equipment if I died. Her response was she'd sell it all within a day of my funeral and
so she could unpack her books / movie collection.

--
Shawn Highfield.
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Re: Re: L.O.R.D.

By: Mindless Automaton to Jason Hud on Sun Jul 01 2007 10:00 pm

i heard he died.

The Daily Happenings.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The town is in grief. Michael Preslar did'nt come home today.

okay, that's good. you get a giant cookie from this echo for that.

i'm not being sarcastic btw, that made me laugh out loud.
:D
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In a reply from Jason Hud on 01:26 about L.O.R.D.

i heard he died.

I still see his IM's online

he died before he could close MSN. sad really.

he has a yahoo one & icq one, right now there all offline

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Re: Re: L.O.R.D.
By: Kevin Nunn to Jason Hud on Tue Jul 03 2007 03:24 pm

Sorry LOL but that is funny, Sadly. I have often thought about that. I
got IM's, the board, etc... what happens if I die, will my wife shut everything down or keep it running? :) hehe. Knowing her, she'll shut it
all down, pack it up in the storage room and use my office for a arts
and crafts room.. the one she has always wanted.

hm... i dont think i'd like to keep the bbs and everything running after my death like Ace from datastream did.

i'd like to take it all to the grave with me. Along with a 4 block radius.

just kidding!!

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Re: L.O.R.D.
By: Shawn Highfield to Kevin Nunn on Tue Jul 03 2007 06:47 pm

Don't feel bad, I asked my wife what she'd do with all this computer and recording equipment if I died. Her response was she'd sell it all
within a day of my funeral and so she could unpack her books / movie collection.

see? women are evil.

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Re: L.O.R.D.
By: Robert E Starr JR to Jason Hud on Tue Jul 03 2007 08:57 am

I still see his IM's online

he died before he could close MSN. sad really.

he has a yahoo one & icq one, right now there all offline

yes... 'offline' like the late Mr. Preslar...

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In a reply from Jason Hud on 13:33 about L.O.R.D.

I still see his IM's online

he died before he could close MSN. sad really.

he has a yahoo one & icq one, right now there all offline

yes... 'offline' like the late Mr. Preslar...

right now his yahoo im, is online

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Shawn Highfield wrote:

On 2007-07-03 15:24:38 -0400, "Kevin Nunn -> Jason Hud" <1:397/10> said:

Sorry LOL but that is funny, Sadly. I have often thought about that. I
got IM's, the board, etc... what happens if I die, will my wife shut
everything down or keep it running? :) hehe. Knowing her, she'll shut it
all down, pack it up in the storage room and use my office for a arts
and crafts room.. the one she has always wanted.

Don't feel bad, I asked my wife what she'd do with all this computer and recording
equipment if I died. Her response was she'd sell it all within a day of my funeral and
so she could unpack her books / movie collection.

Heh.. my girlfriend said she'd just let her new boyfriend run it. :)

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On 2007-07-04 01:51:32 -0400, "Mindless Automaton -> Shawn Highfield" <1:266/32> said:

Heh.. my girlfriend said she'd just let her new boyfriend run it. :)

Laugh!

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Re: L.O.R.D.
By: Robert E Starr JR to Jason Hud on Wed Jul 04 2007 02:06 pm

yes... 'offline' like the late Mr. Preslar...

right now his yahoo im, is online

yes... but does it just *appear* to be online because the ghost of
preslar is trying to send us a message?

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Robert E Starr JR wrote:

yes... 'offline' like the late Mr. Preslar...

right now his yahoo im, is online

This is going to sound strange... Did you Click it and say "Hi Mike" Or
"Hey had a question about lord, You got a minute or would you rather
email. And if it is email can I get your current one?"

I talk to his ghost all the time.
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Robert E Starr JR wrote:

yes... 'offline' like the late Mr. Preslar...

right now his yahoo im, is online

This is going to sound strange... Did you Click it and say "Hi Mike" Or "Hey had a question about lord, You got a minute or would you rather email. And if it is email can I get your current one?"

I talk to his ghost all the time.

no no no! it does not work like that. developers are not human beings.
they are vending machines.

we put our money in and we get what we want. if we dont like what we get we pound on them and shake them!
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In a reply from Jason Hud on 16:11 about L.O.R.D.

yes... 'offline' like the late Mr. Preslar...

right now his yahoo im, is online

yes... but does it just *appear* to be online because the ghost of
preslar is trying to send us a message?

don't know

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In a reply from Bryan Turner on 17:28 about Re: L.O.R.D.

yes... 'offline' like the late Mr. Preslar...

right now his yahoo im, is online

This is going to sound strange... Did you Click it and say "Hi Mike" Or "Hey had a question about lord, You got a minute or would you rather email. And if it is email can I get your current one?"

nope

I talk to his ghost all the time.

ok

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I don't know if something happened to Michael Preslar or not...he just "disappeared".

i heard he died.

That's what Donald Tidmore said. If that is the case, depending on his
Last Will, that may determine who gets the programming rights, etc.

Daryl

P.S. I've told Donald several times in an email that "there is more to
life than L.O.R.D. and its IGMs. I have the BBS and my ham radio to keep
me busy in the aftermath of my wifes death 10 weeks ago, but I don't
spend every waking moment with them.

As for being a Sysop, he said he didn't run a BBS...maybe he should
consider setting up a "closed one" for himself to test things on. Things
can work differently in a local logon mode than from a DOS prompt. I've
found that out in over 16 years of Sysoping.

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Robert E Starr JR wrote:

In a reply from Jason Hud on 13:33 about L.O.R.D.

I still see his IM's online

he died before he could close MSN. sad really.

he has a yahoo one & icq one, right now there all offline

right now his yahoo im, is online

heh. I'm outside his house, I don't see any movement.. ;)

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Re: L.O.R.D.
By: Robert E Starr JR to Jason Hud on Thu Jul 05 2007 09:13 pm

yes... but does it just *appear* to be online because the ghost of preslar is trying to send us a message?

don't know

okay, i think we need some candles, incense and some ouija boards..
and possibly several naked virgins and a bottle of gentleman jack.

get me these things and i will work on it ASAP.

time is crucial!

STAT!

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Re: Re: L.O.R.D.
By: Robert E Starr JR to Bryan Turner on Thu Jul 05 2007 09:14 pm

This is going to sound strange... Did you Click it and say "Hi Mike" Or "Hey had a question about lord, You got a minute or would you rather email. And if it is email can I get your current one?"

nope

there ya go.

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Re: L.O.R.D.
By: Daryl Stout to JASON HUD on Thu Jul 05 2007 05:21 am

P.S. I've told Donald several times in an email that "there is more to
life than L.O.R.D. and its IGMs. I have the BBS and my ham radio to keep
me busy in the aftermath of my wifes death 10 weeks ago, but I don't
spend every waking moment with them.

sorry to hear about your wife, by the way.


anyways, tidmore is the chicken little of the lord scene, and he's trying to get other people behind him.


the rest of us... the real sysops, dont let a little bump in the road slow us down or stop us.

Doorgames are by their very nature crappy programs.. a lot of times young programmers cut their teeth on them; nothing should be expected.

Some crash with various bugs, some are missing crucial files, and there are some that do all kinds of strange and suprising things.

I, at one point had around 200 doorgames installed, and boy was that VERY not fun. I'll never do that again. :D

Anyways, as i was saying, we get by. program Vx Doesn't work for you, but program Vy does... we use Vy.

Now, i politely ask Donald Tidmore to keep his 'nothing's happened since last summer, people are disappearing!, nobody will answer my emails' banter to himself...

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I don't know if something happened to Michael Preslar or not...he just "disappeared".

i heard he died.

He still logs on to MSN chat nearly daily!

Because I care,
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Bryan Turner wrote in a message to Robert E Starr JR:

I talk to his ghost all the time.

Might as well be his ghost because he evidently doesn't have the chutzpah to face paying customers.

That's why the rest of us are running cracked 4.06 since he doesn't have the balls to fix his screwups in 4.07.

Later,
Sean

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Robert E Starr JR wrote:

In a reply from Jason Hud on 13:33 about L.O.R.D.

I still see his IM's online

he died before he could close MSN. sad really.

he has a yahoo one & icq one, right now there all offline

right now his yahoo im, is online

heh. I'm outside his house, I don't see any movement.. ;)

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quick! poke him with a stick!
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i personally got the code for the new lord version, they still had my registration on file from waaaaaay back in the 90's [lord+planets were my first doorgames that i registered, out of 4, i think]

I'm a little upset with Gameport, as I sent them my $15 to get LORD2 registered, but never got a code. . . :(

Sure, I may have complicated matters by not being a BBS, but if that's a problem, they should've returned my money order!

Because I care,
|<+]::-{)} (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))

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Jason Hud wrote in a message to George Pope:

i've decided to use v 4.6 because it seems more stable, and i've
done so on other bbses that i've maintained. that's not a shot at
the author, that's just what i chose to do.

That's what I'm running here too.

How's that relevant to the author, who's been around since 4.0x something, hasn't he?

Wasn't Seth's last one 4.00?

Then Preslar did the infamous Jennie goof, by fiddling with the code just for fun/curiosity, and I think that was 4.06, wasn't it?

(where typing JENNIE summarily logged you out of the game)
And wasn't 4.07 the fix, after a while?

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As for Mike, haven't heard from him myself in awhile. I emailed him
awhat back because I had files on my system for him, but he never
replied back.

I've paged him in MSN and never gotten a reply in some time now. . . :P

Because I care,
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he died before he could close MSN. sad really.

Sorry LOL but that is funny, Sadly. I have often thought about that. I
got IM's, the board, etc... what happens if I die, will my wife shut everything down or keep it running? :) hehe. Knowing her, she'll shut it all down, pack it up in the storage room and use my office for a arts
and crafts room.. the one she has always wanted.

I wonder how the Fido network will know if a sysop drops dead suddenly, if he's not connected iRL with someone else in the network? (as happened to a couple local sysops here -- one dropped dead, but his boss was a personal friend, discovered the problem, and kept fido here rolling; another one went (Mr. 1:1/1 himself, Bob Satti) and his wife passed everything over to a fellow local fido sysop. . .

Because I care,
|<+]::-{)} (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))

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Hello, George.

Replying to a message of George Pope to Sean Dennis:

How's that relevant to the author, who's been around since 4.0x
something, hasn't he?

Michael has been around since 4.02, IIRC, or since 1998. Michael made a very major change with 4.07 by switching doorkits to rewrite LORD to run on different platforms, such as OS/2 and Linux. However, in doing so, there were a few sacrifices, such as speed (since there is a lot of code to go through when running the program). But for some reason, 4.07 is rather notorious for being the buggiest version of them all.

Wasn't Seth's last one 4.00?

It was whenever he sold the rights to the game to Metropolis.

Then Preslar did the infamous Jennie goof, by fiddling with the code
just for fun/curiosity, and I think that was 4.06, wasn't it?

No. Seth did that Jennie "goof", not Michael. Michael /REMOVED/ the Jennie cheat. Seth had the hots for Jennie Garth, not Michael. That "Jennie" thing was around in the 3.x versions.

(where typing JENNIE summarily logged you out of the game)
And wasn't 4.07 the fix, after a while?

It was fixed long before that.

Later,
Sean

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Re: L.O.R.D.
By: George Pope to Jason Hud on Wed Jul 04 2007 01:02 pm

first doorgames that i registered, out of 4, i think]

I'm a little upset with Gameport, as I sent them my $15 to get LORD2 registered, but never got a code. . . :(

Sure, I may have complicated matters by not being a BBS, but if that's a problem, they should've returned my money order!

gameport has a bad reputation.

if i were you i'd keep pestering them. i beleive they only have one person to answer all the emails.

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Re: L.O.R.D.
By: George Pope to Sean Dennis on Wed Jul 04 2007 01:06 pm

Wasn't Seth's last one 4.00?

Then Preslar did the infamous Jennie goof, by fiddling with the code just fo fun/curiosity, and I think that was 4.06, wasn't it?

(where typing JENNIE summarily logged you out of the game) And wasn't
4.07 the fix, after a while?

sure that was through the whole 4.6 run?

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Re: Re: L.O.R.D.
By: George Pope to Kevin Nunn on Wed Jul 04 2007 01:08 pm

awhat back because I had files on my system for him, but he never replied back.

I've paged him in MSN and never gotten a reply in some time now. . . :P

Because I care, |<+]::-{)} (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))

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Re: L.O.R.D.
By: Sean Dennis to George Pope on Sat Jul 07 2007 09:21 am

No. Seth did that Jennie "goof", not Michael. Michael /REMOVED/ the Jennie cheat. Seth had the hots for Jennie Garth, not Michael. That "Jennie" thin was around in the 3.x versions.

yeah, the cheat is now 'gauge'

Michael has been around since 4.02, IIRC, or since 1998. Michael made a ver major change with 4.07 by switching doorkits to rewrite LORD to run on different platforms, such as OS/2 and Linux. However, in doing so, there we a few sacrifices, such as speed (since there is a lot of code to go through when running the program). But for some reason, 4.07 is rather notorious fo being the buggiest version of them all.

well, people were begging for a 32bit lord and other flavors..
thats' all they could really suggest.
i think time would have been spent better on other facets of the game.

now yes, there are bugs... but i dont think any people have really
reported them in the correct fashion... And some people experience them and some dont.

nor do i think anybody has given any support for what michael has done;
this all may be related to his 'disappearance'.

complicate that with how metro gameport treats him, and treats the sysops
that paid for his work.

He's a human being with feelings, and i'm sure he's gone through some hard things in life, like a lot of us have. sometimes it's best to save our sanity for a while by cutting our link with what is dragging us down.

i can see both sides, actually.
i myself would have taken a hike a long time ago.. WITH my source.

no i am not incinuating that preslar took a hike. he worked on it last year and that's good enough for me.

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I'm a little upset with Gameport, as I sent them my $15 to get LORD2 registered, but never got a code. . . :(
Sure, I may have complicated matters by not being a BBS, but if that's a problem, they should've returned my money order!
Because I care,
|<+]::-{)} (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))
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Write them a nice email message and ask them to either to send what you purchased, or to send the money order back to you via registered mail. Alternately, you can always tell your Postmaster about the problem and have the
U.S. Post Office do an investigation. It is fraudulent for a company to take people's money and not give you the product that you are buying, according to federal law. Up to you whether you want to pursue that avenue of course. But it is a definitely good idea to use credit cards for such purpose if I recall correctly since there are credit card company policies that allow you to cancel
a credit card charge where the product you purchased is never delivered to you.
Not sure how that works with the Post office and money orders, or money orders
that you get from your bank/credit union.

Never, ever, send cash money to purchase something. I learned that in college Economics class I think, or maybe it was in High school classes.

At any rate, why bother registering Lord II anyway one might say since that game has also been abandoned. When was the last time one can see any work done
on that door game after all? Four or more years I think. Planets TEOS is also abandoned software that no one is working on. As is Worldgroup Tournament Lord.
At least with Wildcat Tournament Lord, you know in advance that the author can't do new versions of it due to his (Marcelletti) having lost the source code in three or more hard drive crashes. That dude had MAJOR common-sense problems not ever having done backups of his stuff in some fashion - either on tape drive cartridge, floppy disks, iomega zip disks, cd-roms, etc.

I wonder how many other programmers out there have lost programs in hard drive crashes that had failed to do reliable backups beforehand? Donald

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I'm a little upset with Gameport, as I sent them my $15 to get LORD2 registered, but never got a code. . . :(
Sure, I may have complicated matters by not being a BBS, but if that's a problem, they should've returned my money order!
Because I care,
|<+]::-{)} (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))
... nfx v3.1 Lighten up, Everybody! Life ain't even PERMANENT!

Write them a nice email message and ask them to either to send what you purchased, or to send the money order back to you via registered mail. Alternately, you can always tell your Postmaster about the problem and have the
U.S. Post Office do an investigation. It is fraudulent for a company to take people's money and not give you the product that you are buying, according to federal law. Up to you whether you want to pursue that avenue of course. But it is a definitely good idea to use credit cards for such purpose if I recall correctly since there are credit card company policies that allow you to cancel
a credit card charge where the product you purchased is never delivered to you.
Not sure how that works with the Post office and money orders, or money orders
that you get from your bank/credit union.

Never, ever, send cash money to purchase something. I learned that in college Economics class I think, or maybe it was in High school classes.

At any rate, why bother registering Lord II anyway one might say since that game has also been abandoned. When was the last time one can see any work done
on that door game after all? Four or more years I think. Planets TEOS is also abandoned software that no one is working on. As is Worldgroup Tournament Lord.
At least with Wildcat Tournament Lord, you know in advance that the author can't do new versions of it due to his (Marcelletti) having lost the source code in three or more hard drive crashes. That dude had MAJOR common-sense problems not ever having done backups of his stuff in some fashion - either on tape drive cartridge, floppy disks, iomega zip disks, cd-roms, etc.

I wonder how many other programmers out there have lost programs in hard drive crashes that had failed to do reliable backups beforehand? Donald

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Jason Hud wrote:

nor do i think anybody has given any support for what michael has done;
this all may be related to his 'disappearance'.

You know on this. ( Which I know nothing and apparently I am just protecting
a friend ) Michael released his betas over his email system. He got only
one person that would give him bug reports. Unfortunately that person is
just running a local copy and will not load up even the simplest of bbs software to run telnet So the bugs could not be found. Also running
unfinished igms that caused some of them.

So he did the beta and got NO bug reports. Now that it is out everyone
bitches. There is not a community any more. And when he gets time I am sure
he will come back. Just my .02
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Donald Tidmore wrote:

At any rate, why bother registering Lord II anyway one might say since
that game has also been abandoned. ..When was the last time one can see any work done on that door game after all? ..Four or more years I think.
Planets TEOS is also abandoned software that no one is working on.

DonDon,

Please tell me a bug in TEOS, that you can find with out IGMS? As well
please tell me a bug in L2 with no igms loaded. If you have some please
email them to me and I will send them to Mike. AFAIK there is none. So You
want a new version of MS WORD just because it is time? If you have no bugs
then you SHOULD not be telling people not to register.

Also PLEASE, PLEASE look at mannsoft's game server and put a bbs on line.
Even if it is local the "bugs" that you find will be easier to reproduce if
you have a way for mike to come in and LOOK at your game. You could let him know of a bug and say HEY this is the ADDY. Log in and look. Mike has sent
me some of your bug reports. And if you were doing it to me i would say
Become a sysop. Let me log in.

I know you have issues at home. I do too. But you give him a time to log
in and see the bug? Might be alittle easier.

You and your mike bashing has lost you Jay's support. (he coppied me on his email to you) And you lost mine. Work with.. Or dont. What you are doing
now just sucks.

WGlord is not mikes. And IMHO it is dead. Do you have a WG board up?
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Jason Hud wrote in a message to Sean Dennis:

yeah, the cheat is now 'gauge'

Wonder if that's for the pr0n* who goes by Gauge...

no i am not incinuating that preslar took a hike. he worked on it
last year and that's good enough for me.

I just retrograded and that's fine, but since no one's really playing it on my board, I may just take it down.

Later,
Sean

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Bryan Turner wrote in a message to Jason Hud:

You know on this. ( Which I know nothing and apparently I am just protecting a friend ) Michael released his betas over his email
system.

He got only one person that would give him bug reports.

What a load of BS. I gave Michael several bug reports, both for the DOS and OS/2 versions. I not only emailed them to him, I also tried to call him to let
him know. So this "one person" thing is a figment of someone's drug-induced imagination.

So he did the beta and got NO bug reports. Now that it is out
everyone bitches. There is not a community any more. And when he
gets time I am sure he will come back. Just my .02

You're right, it's your two cents' worth because that's a damn lie that only one person gave him bug reports. It's a shame that Michael's now become a liar
on top of a welcher too.

You're only being fed what Michael wants to tell you and not the truth.

Later,
Sean

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Looking over the messages in the echo.. Most of them are about me and/or
my work.. I'm cool with that. I can't make everybody happy, and everyone
can have an opinion and can speak their mind. But I cannot stand around
while my friends are attacked.

So this one gets a reply first.

He got only one person that would give him bug reports.

What a load of BS. I gave Michael several bug reports, both for the DOS and OS/2 versions. I not only emailed them to him, I also tried to call him to

let

him know. So this "one person" thing is a figment of someone's drug-induced imagination.

1) "several bug reports".. Looking over my "Lord" folder in
Thunderbird.. I've got 2 messages from "Sean Dennis".. One dated May
1st, the other dated May 14th. Both were about the same thing: A
filemode bug in 4.07 dos that only affects OS/2 and DosEmu..

But.. Sean and I did talk via email (and telephone, iirc) a couple of
times while I debugged that issue. So if I debugged the issue and fixed
it, why's Sean emailing me and asking for the patch again? Because he
lost it? I don't know.

2) "tried to call him" .. My wife made me a cake for my birthday, and I
tried to eat it all. I could not. Does that mean I ate the entire cake?
I have tried to quit smoking a couple of times, but I still light up on
a regular basis.. Does that mean I quit?

3) And then there's the "someone's drug-induced imagination" comment..
On one hand, I want to take personal offense to this.. Its (sort of?)
common knowledge that I was diagnosed bi-polar, add, etc (and yes,
emphysema) and, at one time, was taking medications.. But ya know..
Being angry about this just isn't worth my time.

So he did the beta and got NO bug reports. Now that it is out
everyone bitches. There is not a community any more. And when he
gets time I am sure he will come back. Just my .02

You're right, it's your two cents' worth because that's a damn lie that only one person gave him bug reports. It's a shame that Michael's now become a

liar

on top of a welcher too.

Remember kids: If its only Bryan's two cents worth, then its only Sean's
2 cents worth as well. From that point of view, the opinions are equal.

However. Bryan and I stay in touch on a regular basis. Bryan really does
talk to my ghost daily. On the other hand, I have no logs, emails, etc
that show Sean has tried to contact me anytime recently. (Sean's emails
from May 14th is the last I have).

To put it bluntly: Bryan knows what he's talking about, and Sean doesn't.

Then there's the "liar and a welcher".. What'd I lie about? The amount
of bug reports?

And the welcher part.. I'd have to take your money and not deliver
anything to be a welcher.. I haven't taken your money. And if I remember correctly, you publicly said you were running a warez'd version.

But wait! Michael gets a royalty for working on the game! Said royalty
has averaged a whopping $12 a month over the past 6 months. Granted, I
havent seen a check in 3 months.. Dont really care if I do. But, to pick
nits, I do get a royalty. That must mean that someone, somewhere is
entitled to my time right? I am a vending machine after all.

Entitlement. Hrm. Its a shareware title.. "Try before you buy" (to quote
a recent message from this echo).. If someone were to spend money on
something that doesnt get along with their system _before_ they tried it
out, who's entitled to what? But lets pick nits again. If a Dos/Windows program has some sort of issue on a non-Dos/Windows operating system
that has been dropped by its developers, who's entitled to what?

You're only being fed what Michael wants to tell you and not the truth.

Incorrect. Most of the time, I forward emails, mailing list messages,
etc to Bryan. He sees things directly. Him and I will discuss whatever
it is, and I will tell him my opinion. There has been several times
where he corrected me.

But.. If Bryan is being fed by me, at least he's eating. Meaning: He
does stay in touch, he does know what he's talking about, and he can be
relied upon for truth. That's a lot better than talking shit, and then
having to eat crow later.

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At any rate, why bother registering Lord II anyway one might say since that game has also been abandoned. When was the last time one can see any work

done

on that door game after all? Four or more years I think.

Why register Lord 2? Because your players have gone as far as they can
in the unregistered version and want to continue playing?

"Abandoned".. True, not much of anything has been done to the game in a
long while. Let's take a look at what could be done with it.

Option 1) Fix any known issues. I personally know of none. If someone
can show me a bug, I'll fix it. And no, I cannot fix something in some
3rd party IGM/addon/world.

Option 2) Refine the scripting engine. To do this, I'd need to look at
Option 3

Option 3) Expand the scripts and maps.

Lord 2 is already a very system intensive program. Adding more maps and scripts would make it worse, but a _lot_ more maps and scripts would
need to be added to make the game attractive in today's market.
"Attractive in today's market".. Lord 2 is a MMORPG. A text based
MMORPG. So, its competing with World of Warcraft, Runescape, EverQuest,
Ultima Online, and many many other games that run better, have better graphics, have better environments, and, most importantly, many many
more players.

How much additional content would Lord 2 need to be attractive? What
kind of servers would be needed to handle the load that Lord 2 would
create? If all of this was added, would Lord 2 still exist in such a way
that it could be distributed to anyone/everyone to run on personal PC's?

Planets TEOS is also
abandoned software that no one is working on.

As I've stated many times in the past, Seth had a hard drive crash or something and lost roughly 1/3rd of the TEOS source. I have the compiled
TPU's but not the source. Since there is no known way to reverse
engineer a TPU, I'd have to rewrite all of that just to recreate what
already exists.

And what would be the reasons for doing that? I know of no bugs in the
game. (No software is 100% bug free, but programmers can only fix what
they know about) Past that, how many TEOS players are there out there?

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yeah, the cheat is now 'gauge'

She's awesome, isn't she?

Oh. Was that you on stickam?

He's a human being with feelings, and i'm sure he's gone through some hard things in life, like a lot of us have. sometimes it's best to save our sanity

for a while by cutting our link with what is dragging us down.

Ya know, I can smell your stank ass down here in Omaha. Heh.

Some people have the ability to see things from someone else's
perspective. You are one of those people, Jas. And.. Err.. How can I say "thanks for having some perspective" without kissing your ass?

I can't, dammit. Oh well, here goes nothing.

<smooch>

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Jason Hud wrote:

Re: L.O.R.D.
By: George Pope to Sean Dennis on Wed Jul 04 2007 01:06 pm

Wasn't Seth's last one 4.00?

Then Preslar did the infamous Jennie goof, by fiddling with the code just

fo

fun/curiosity, and I think that was 4.06, wasn't it?

(where typing JENNIE summarily logged you out of the game) And wasn't
4.07 the fix, after a while?

sure that was through the whole 4.6 run?

Seth's last version was 4.01a (or was it 4.01b?).. My first version was
4.02. Originally, I had only intended to change the copyright info in
4.02, but I got ahead of myself and moved the Jennie code to the
overlay.. Without adding {$O+} to jennie.pas.. So the program would
crash in that spot. But it was quickly fixed (I released the fix, 4.02b,
the day after) and alls been well with Jennie ever since.

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gameport has a bad reputation.

if i were you i'd keep pestering them. i beleive they only have one person to

answer all the emails.

Correct - A woman named Shannon handles all incoming emails regarding
support and registrations for Lord, Lord 2, TEOS, TLord, MajorMud, and a
ton of other stuff. When she cannot take care of something/someone
personally, she contacts someone that can.

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Michael has been around since 4.02, IIRC, or since 1998. Michael made a very

major change with 4.07 by switching doorkits to rewrite LORD to run on different platforms, such as OS/2 and Linux. However, in doing so, there

were

a few sacrifices, such as speed (since there is a lot of code to go through when running the program). But for some reason, 4.07 is rather notorious for

being the buggiest version of them all.

Actually.

Dos Lord 4.07 uses the _same_ doorkit that it has used for 10+ years now.

Lord/32, Lord/2, and lord/x, however, use Manndoor.

Wasn't Seth's last one 4.00?

It was whenever he sold the rights to the game to Metropolis.

Seth's last version was 4.01a (or maybe 4.01b)

Then Preslar did the infamous Jennie goof, by fiddling with the code just for fun/curiosity, and I think that was 4.06, wasn't it?

No. Seth did that Jennie "goof", not Michael. Michael /REMOVED/ the Jennie cheat. Seth had the hots for Jennie Garth, not Michael. That "Jennie" thing

was around in the 3.x versions.

4.02, my first version, introduced the Jennie bug. That bug was fixed
and released the next day as 4.02b (or was it 4.02pb?)

I have never removed the Jennie codes. IIRC, I removed one code that
sucked and added a new one somewhere around 4.06.

(where typing JENNIE summarily logged you out of the game)
And wasn't 4.07 the fix, after a while?

It was fixed long before that.

Correct, the Jennie thing was fixed a _long_ time before that.

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Sean Dennis wrote:

Bryan Turner wrote in a message to Robert E Starr JR:

I talk to his ghost all the time.

Might as well be his ghost because he evidently doesn't have the chutzpah to face paying customers.

That's why the rest of us are running cracked 4.06 since he doesn't have the balls to fix his screwups in 4.07.

For those keeping score:

Sean has not emailed me since May 15, and the email he sent was
requesting another copy of a patch that I had sent him already.

Yet, Sean has posted messages in Fido echos and used the words "liar"
and "welcher" to describe me. (Those are just the ones I remember. Who
knows what he has said in other places.)

And he publicly admits to running a warez'd game.

Can anyone help me understand why I should support Sean?

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Robert E Starr JR wrote:

In a reply from Bryan Turner on 17:28 about Re: L.O.R.D.

yes... 'offline' like the late Mr. Preslar...

right now his yahoo im, is online

This is going to sound strange... Did you Click it and say "Hi Mike" Or "Hey had a question about lord, You got a minute or would you rather email. And if it is email can I get your current one?"

nope

I talk to his ghost all the time.

ok

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Rob,

This is an honest question: Have you ever noticed that your signature is longer than 99% of your messages?

Am I the only one that has noticed this?

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no no no! it does not work like that. developers are not human beings.
they are vending machines.

we put our money in and we get what we want. if we dont like what we get we pound on them and shake them!

Ya know, that's kind of like marriage.. Except she takes my money away
before she pounds on me and shakes me.

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Jason Hud wrote in a message to Sean Dennis:

yeah, the cheat is now 'gauge'

Wonder if that's for the pr0n* who goes by Gauge...

no i am not incinuating that preslar took a hike. he worked on it last year and that's good enough for me.

I just retrograded and that's fine, but since no one's really playing it on my board, I may just take it down.

Later,
Sean

oh, that was a joke btw, even though i am suprised about gauge's outspokeness on various issues http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=26451 0
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Re: Re: L.O.R.D.
By: Bryan Turner to Jason Hud on Sat Jul 07 2007 07:17 pm

You know on this. ( Which I know nothing and apparently I am just protecting a friend ) Michael released his betas over his email system. He got only
one person that would give him bug reports. Unfortunately that person is just running a local copy and will not load up even the simplest of bbs software to run telnet So the bugs could not be found. Also running

YEAH, it sucks that people done realize that if they're going to beta test something, you have to put forth some effort. it isnt about running the
newest stuff.

i know from my experience when i reported a problem with lord, i got back a fix quite quickly.

sure, i 'know' the right people, but i feel this can be accomplished by anybody.

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Re: Re: L.O.R.D.
By: michael preslar to Donald Tidmore on Tue Jul 10 2007 12:08 am

And what would be the reasons for doing that? I know of no bugs in the
game. (No software is 100% bug free, but programmers can only fix what
they know about) Past that, how many TEOS players are there out there?

-- Michael

well, i had the last version of teos, and i had every igm i could find for it installed. there were a few players back in the dialup days that would spend all their time online playing it. one of them even registered it for himself.

i never heard of any bugs of teos, so i think it's a sound game.
i certainly would have heard something from these people that were nuts about the game... all i heard from them was 'give me more time online'.

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Re: Re: L.O.R.D.
By: michael preslar to Jason Hud on Tue Jul 10 2007 12:31 am

He's a human being with feelings, and i'm sure he's gone through some hard things in life, like a lot of us have. sometimes it's best to save our san for a while by cutting our link with what is dragging us down.

Ya know, I can smell your stank ass down here in Omaha. Heh.

Some people have the ability to see things from someone else's

i got this strange disorder where i am the exact opposite from everyone else.

when there is chaos, i have moments of clarity.

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Then Preslar did the infamous Jennie goof, by fiddling with the code just for fun/curiosity, and I think that was 4.06, wasn't it?

No. Seth did that Jennie "goof", not Michael. Michael /REMOVED/ the Jenni cheat. Seth had the hots for Jennie Garth, not Michael. That "Jennie" thi was around in the 3.x versions.

(where typing JENNIE summarily logged you out of the game)
And wasn't 4.07 the fix, after a while?

It was fixed long before that.

Well, whenever it was, Michael admitted to me the goof happened because he couldn't wait to fiddle with the exalted LORD code and accidentally gibbled it while exploring. . .

Because I care,
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I'm a little upset with Gameport, as I sent them my $15 to get LORD2 registered, but never got a code. . . :(

Sure, I may have complicated matters by not being a BBS, but if that's a problem, they should've returned my money order!

gameport has a bad reputation.

if i were you i'd keep pestering them. i beleive they only have one person answer all the emails.

I can't be bothered -- I'm bored with the L2 clones I wanted the registration for!

Because I care,
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Then Preslar did the infamous Jennie goof, by fiddling with the code jus fun/curiosity, and I think that was 4.06, wasn't it?

(where typing JENNIE summarily logged you out of the game) And wasn't 4.07 the fix, after a while?

sure that was through the whole 4.6 run?

It was immediately after Michael got the code, cuz(he admited to me in email) he couldn't avoid the temptation to look at his hero's code as soon as he got it. . .

Because I care,
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I've paged him in MSN and never gotten a reply in some time now. . . :P

<sigh>

Yet I see him popping in & out of available/away, so someone's there. . .


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My problem: I'm in Canada, and I don't have the receipt for the money order (which my end needs to lauch a trace)

Because I care,
|<+]::-{)} (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))

I'm a little upset with Gameport, as I sent them my $15 to get LORD2 registered, but never got a code. . . :(
Sure, I may have complicated matters by not being a BBS, but if that's a problem, they should've returned my money order!
Because I care,
|<+]::-{)} (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))
... nfx v3.1 Lighten up, Everybody! Life ain't even PERMANENT!

Write them a nice email message and ask them to either to send what you purchased, or to send the money order back to you via registered mail. Alternately, you can always tell your Postmaster about the problem and have U.S. Post Office do an investigation. It is fraudulent for a company to ta people's money and not give you the product that you are buying, according federal law. Up to you whether you want to pursue that avenue of course. it is a definitely good idea to use credit cards for such purpose if I rec correctly since there are credit card company policies that allow you to ca a credit card charge where the product you purchased is never delivered to
Not sure how that works with the Post office and money orders, or money or that you get from your bank/credit union.

Never, ever, send cash money to purchase something. I learned that in coll Economics class I think, or maybe it was in High school classes.

At any rate, why bother registering Lord II anyway one might say since that game has also been abandoned. When was the last time one can see any work on that door game after all? Four or more years I think. Planets TEOS is a abandoned software that no one is working on. As is Worldgroup Tournament L
At least with Wildcat Tournament Lord, you know in advance that the author can't do new versions of it due to his (Marcelletti) having lost the source code in three or more hard drive crashes. That dude had MAJOR common-sense problems not ever having done backups of his stuff in some fashion - either tape drive cartridge, floppy disks, iomega zip disks, cd-roms, etc.

I wonder how many other programmers out there have lost programs in hard dr crashes that had failed to do reliable backups beforehand? Donald

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yes... but does it just *appear* to be online because the ghost of preslar is trying to send us a message?

don't know

okay, i think we need some candles, incense and some ouija boards..
and possibly several naked virgins and a bottle of gentleman jack.

get me these things and i will work on it ASAP.

Do you mean a bottle of John Daniels? I always have a couple bottles around, just in case there's a problem in the distribution processes. . .

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This is going to sound strange... Did you Click it and say "Hi Mike" "Hey had a question about lord, You got a minute or would you rather email. And if it is email can I get your current one?"

nope

there ya go.

I just IMed him asking which email was best for LORD topics. . .

but he's showing as away in Yahoo, so who knows when the reply will come, if ever. . .

I thought he was mainly an MSN user?

I'll post in here what/when I hear back! :)

Because I care,
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Might as well be his ghost because he evidently doesn't have the chutzpah t face paying customers.

That's why the rest of us are running cracked 4.06 since he doesn't have th balls to fix his screwups in 4.07.

Have you addressed Gameport, who you are the customer of? (Michael's just the hired help!)

Because I care,
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He's a human being with feelings, and i'm sure he's gone through some hard things in life, like a lot of us have. sometimes it's best to save our sani for a while by cutting our link with what is dragging us down.

i can see both sides, actually.
i myself would have taken a hike a long time ago.. WITH my source.

Then you're not a person with ethics or honour, because if you've been paid to do a programming job, that includes standing behind your work for a reasonable time after.

And, when you've been contracted, it's not "your" source!

Because I care,
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michael preslar wrote in a message to Sean Dennis:

But.. If Bryan is being fed by me, at least he's eating. Meaning:
He does stay in touch, he does know what he's talking about, and
he can be relied upon for truth. That's a lot better than talking
shit, and then having to eat crow later.

My, my. It's pretty bad that you only show up to defend yourself and not bother to do anything about the problems you've created in your own program.
I have no reason to "eat crow", Micheal. /I/ haven't let anyone down, /you/ have. So maybe you need to get off your high horse and eat some crow yourself.
I've got nothing to be ashamed or responsible about.

I read that nice message, but the fact remains: are you going to fix 4.07 or are you just going to blow smoke up everyone's ass?

You know why I quit talking to you? You never answered any of my other emails which I notice you conviently forgot about. So I wrote you off as a waste of time, as did a lot of other people. I dug up that key you made for me for 4.06
(I'm sure you don't remember that either) and put LORD on my board.

As for the drug-induced comment, you said it yourself to me in one of those phone conversations we had...which you conviently don't remember. So stick it where the sun doesn't shine about being "personally offended". I only said that from what you said, not from my own observations. I'm on drugs too (and a
lot more than you, I can assure you) and I don't use them as an excuse for when
I behave badly.

Guess what, Michael: other people have responsibilities just like you do, and we've all got family, a real job, et cetera. Just the rest of us have grown up
enough to know that once you take on a project, you need to stick with it and not abandon it, especially something such as high-profile as LORD.

I read your entries in your blog before you took it down, especially the one with "Why doesn't Daddy love me?" or some crap like that. It's the same one where you told your wife that you'd quit smoking when you'd die. You've become
a real piece of work, you know that? I lost all respect for you after reading that and even more so by using your own self-righteous excuses in that last post. You've become a pitiful shell of yourself and the person I met and became good friends so long ago.

A little recommendation: if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Don't bother responding back. I'll believe you when I see 4.07 fixed from being a buggy excuse of a program to something worth while.

Later,
Sean

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George Pope wrote in a message to Sean Dennis:

Have you addressed Gameport, who you are the customer of?
(Michael's just the hired help!)

They told me to talk to Michael.

Later,
Sean

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George Pope wrote in a message to Jason Hud:

Then you're not a person with ethics or honour, because if you've
been paid to do a programming job, that includes standing behind
your work for a reasonable time after.

But that's what Michael told me. He said he'd keep his new source to himself and give Gameport the old crap that he had. Of course, this was in one of those "mysterious" phone chats that Michael's always forgetting about.

And, when you've been contracted, it's not "your" source!

Exactly.

Later,
Sean

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To: George Pope
.,: This is something about L.O.R.D.,
George Pope said it to Jason Hud on Sun Jul 08 2007 03:45 pm --──────────────────────-────---───────────────---─────────--────────

I can't be bothered -- I'm bored with the L2 clones I wanted the registratio for!

huh?

speak english please.

and you cant send an email here and there? i'm sure you can find time.

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To: George Pope
.,: This is something about L.O.R.D.,
George Pope said it to Jason Hud on Sun Jul 08 2007 03:46 pm --──────────────────────-────---───────────────---─────────--────────

(where typing JENNIE summarily logged you out of the game) And wasn't 4.07 the fix, after a while?

sure that was through the whole 4.6 run?

It was immediately after Michael got the code, cuz(he admited to me in email he couldn't avoid the temptation to look at his hero's code as soon as he go it. . .

ah well... hmmm... kinda dont give a shit on that one, sorry.

are YOU crying because some obscure Jenny Garth reference is missing?

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To: George Pope
.,: This is something about L.O.R.D.,
George Pope said it to Donald Tidmore on Sun Jul 08 2007 03:48 pm --──────────────────────-────---───────────────---─────────--────────

My problem: I'm in Canada, and I don't have the receipt for the money order (which my end needs to lauch a trace)

Because I care, |<+]::-{)} (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))

you sure you even have to go through that crap to get what you say you ordered?

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To: George Pope
.,: This is something about L.O.R.D.,
George Pope said it to Jason Hud on Sun Jul 08 2007 03:53 pm --──────────────────────-────---───────────────---─────────--────────

and possibly several naked virgins and a bottle of gentleman jack.

get me these things and i will work on it ASAP.

Do you mean a bottle of John Daniels? I always have a couple bottles around just in case there's a problem in the distribution processes. . .

jentleman jack is a bit different.

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To: George Pope
.,: This is something about Re: L.O.R.D.,
George Pope said it to Jason Hud on Sun Jul 08 2007 03:54 pm --──────────────────────-────---───────────────---─────────--────────

there ya go.

I just IMed him asking which email was best for LORD topics. . .

but he's showing as away in Yahoo, so who knows when the reply will come, if ever. . .

I thought he was mainly an MSN user?

I'll post in here what/when I hear back! :)

i'm pretty sure we have an imposter pretending to be michael preslar.

i wont believe anything different until i see proof.

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To: George Pope
.,: This is something about L.O.R.D.,
George Pope said it to Jason Hud on Sun Jul 08 2007 04:10 pm --──────────────────────-────---───────────────---─────────--────────

long time ago.. WITH my source.

Then you're not a person with ethics or honour, because if you've been paid do a programming job, that includes standing behind your work for a reasonab time after.

And, when you've been contracted, it's not "your" source!

Because I care, |<+]::-{)} (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))

well, that's all open to perception.

i know ethics and honor go out the window when someone's not treated well on the job. not saying that's the case here, just providing an example.

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"Abandoned".. True, not much of anything has been done to the game in a long while. Let's take a look at what could be done with it.

Option 1) Fix any known issues. I personally know of none. If someone
can show me a bug, I'll fix it. And no, I cannot fix something in some
3rd party IGM/addon/world.

Option 2) Refine the scripting engine. To do this, I'd need to look at Option 3

Option 3) Expand the scripts and maps.

Not sure which option this falls under, but is it possible to set it up so that an IGM doesn't install over another's map screen(s)? At least to flag the sysop at installation that these two IGMs "(name1 & name2) are incompatible, and allow the sysop to choose just the one to have pre-eminence?

Some might say there's no ending to the game -- I say there are TWO, and
that's the way it should be -- after you win as both Koshi & Dragontooth, you get to keep playing ("reeking havok" as Seth put it) using the two end-game items you've won, and you then can work on finding & beating all the IGMs that have been installed. . .

Or, do as some do, and buy all the buyable ones, and rent them only to your friends (I think that qualifies under "havok")

If a sysop doesn't like that way of playing, he can install 2 games, 1 with & 1 without IGMs -- that's what I prefer to see, over a sysop going draconian & imposing his will onto the game.

The only way I'd like to see a sysop imposing his will, so to speak, is in making IGMs according to his/her own flavour of thinking. . . then players can use them or not. . .

Have you actually received any IMs from me in Yahoo this past week? Or has yahoo joined hotmail/MSN in blackballing me? :P

Because I care,
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Seth's last version was 4.01a (or was it 4.01b?).. My first version was 4.02. Originally, I had only intended to change the copyright info in
4.02, but I got ahead of myself and moved the Jennie code to the
overlay.. Without adding {$O+} to jennie.pas.. So the program would
crash in that spot. But it was quickly fixed (I released the fix, 4.02b, the day after) and alls been well with Jennie ever since.

True enough, it just took some(a lot) of sysops time to get the fixed version -- you gave me the quickfix code in yahoo which I shared around on the dozens of boards a day I dialled into back then. . .

I've had no complaints -- as to 4.02 & JENNIE -- <congress> happens!

Because I care,
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gameport has a bad reputation.

if i were you i'd keep pestering them. i beleive they only have one perso

answer all the emails.

Correct - A woman named Shannon handles all incoming emails regarding support and registrations for Lord, Lord 2, TEOS, TLord, MajorMud, and a ton of other stuff. When she cannot take care of something/someone personally, she contacts someone that can.

It's not like Seth's stuff has a huge turnover these days, eh?

Not a lot going down on the BBS scene now that the internet has won the modem usage war! :(

Because I care,
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Sean has not emailed me since May 15, and the email he sent was
requesting another copy of a patch that I had sent him already.

Yet, Sean has posted messages in Fido echos and used the words "liar"
and "welcher" to describe me. (Those are just the ones I remember. Who knows what he has said in other places.)

And he publicly admits to running a warez'd game.

Can anyone help me understand why I should support Sean?

Why would YOU directly support someone, when they're not YOUR customer (even if they were a paying customer of the product in the first place!)

Does your contract with Gameport include direct support to users, or is it the more normal setup whereby they(the product owner) act as go-between and forward reports to you & replies to their customers?

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Ya know, that's kind of like marriage.. Except she takes my money away before she pounds on me and shakes me.

Isn't that what you pay her for in the first place? *LOL*

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Re: Re: L.O.R.D.
By: George Pope to michael preslar on Tue Jul 10 2007 07:25 am

Not sure which option this falls under, but is it possible to set it up so t an IGM doesn't install over another's map screen(s)? At least to flag the sysop at installation that these two IGMs "(name1 & name2) are incompatible, and allow the sysop to choose just the one to have pre-eminence?

Some might say there's no ending to the game -- I say there are TWO, and that's the way it should be -- after you win as both Koshi & Dragontooth, yo

blah. nobody likes lord2 anyways.

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blah. nobody likes lord2 anyways.

I do. :)

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To: Daryl Stout
.,: This is something about Re: L.O.R.D.,
Daryl Stout said it to JASON HUD on Wed Jul 25 2007 10:44 am --──────────────────────-────---───────────────---─────────--────────

blah. nobody likes lord2 anyways.

I do. :)

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you suuuuuuuck!!! just kidding


did you see that lord2:teos ?

that's pretty well done.

Some might say there's no ending to the game -- I say there are TWO, and that's the way it should be -- after you win as both Koshi & Dragontooth

blah. nobody likes lord2 anyways.

You don't speak for everybody.

And, yes, there are fans of L2 out there!

Because I care,
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blah. nobody likes lord2 anyways.

I do. :)

Me, too!

So I think we've well & truly debunked his claim.

Because I care,
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To: George Pope
.,: This is something about Re: L.O.R.D.,
George Pope said it to Jason Hud on Tue Jul 31 2007 02:47 pm --──────────────────────-────---───────────────---─────────--────────

blah. nobody likes lord2 anyways.

You don't speak for everybody.

And, yes, there are fans of L2 out there!

yeah, i'm probably wrong. there's probably about 3 fans of "lord2"

ever play the 'real' lord 2:new world?

To: George Pope
.,: This is something about Re: L.O.R.D.,
George Pope said it to Daryl Stout on Wed Aug 01 2007 12:02 pm --──────────────────────-────---───────────────---─────────--────────

blah. nobody likes lord2 anyways.

I do. :)

Me, too!

So I think we've well & truly debunked his claim.

nah, get more people :D

Re: Re: L.O.R.D.
By: Daryl Stout to JASON HUD on Wed Jul 25 2007 10:44 am

blah. nobody likes lord2 anyways.

I do. :)

So do I. Lord II is great.

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