Hi all,

I want to run my board on port 23, but I keep getting unwanted connections to it. Mostly from Chinese hackers, I presume. Anyone know a way to solve this, with iptables or the like?

Thanks,
Joseph

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Hello Joseph!

21 May 17 23:52, you wrote to all:

I want to run my board on port 23, but I keep getting unwanted
connections to it. Mostly from Chinese hackers, I presume. Anyone know
a way to solve this, with iptables or the like?

I use this on my servers, and find it's very good.

https://github.com/tlhackque/BlockCountries


Stephen


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I want to run my board on port 23, but I keep getting unwanted
connections to it. Mostly from Chinese hackers, I presume. Anyone know
a way to solve this, with iptables or the like?
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You could install the linux flavor of Mystic BBS as it has the ability to block

connects by country. To be honest, you'll get some hack attempts from everywhere, including the US, but most come from China as you pointed out {chuckle}. My access log by Country:

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Mystic Telnet Connection(s) Summary

The Positronium Repository telnet://cmech.dynip.com

_______________________________________________________________________________

Albania ........................................... : 30
Andorra ........................................... : 54 0.1%
Argentina ......................................... : 1,061 2.2%
Armenia ........................................... : 13
Australia ......................................... : 281 0.5%
Austria ........................................... : 7
Azerbaijan ........................................ : 9
Bahamas ........................................... : 5
Bahrain ........................................... : 2
Bangladesh ........................................ : 25
Barbados .......................................... : 2
Belarus ........................................... : 40
Belgium ........................................... : 51 0.1%
Belize ............................................ : 2
Bolivia ........................................... : 35
Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba .................. : 17
Botswana .......................................... : 11
Brazil ............................................ : 2,163 4.4%
Brunei Darussalam ................................. : 2
Bulgaria .......................................... : 245 0.5%
Cambodia .......................................... : 36
Canada ............................................ : 138 0.2%
Chile ............................................. : 64 0.1%
China ............................................. : 11,873 24.6%
Colombia .......................................... : 289 0.6%
Costa Rica ........................................ : 156 0.3%
C⌠te d'Ivoire ..................................... : 2
Croatia ........................................... : 25
Curaτao ........................................... : 1
Czech Republic .................................... : 364 0.7%
Denmark ........................................... : 12
Dominican Republic ................................ : 93 0.1%
Ecuador ........................................... : 298 0.6%
Egypt ............................................. : 344 0.7%
El Salvador ....................................... : 1
Estonia ........................................... : 1
Ethiopia .......................................... : 2
Finland ........................................... : 25
France ............................................ : 187 0.3%
Georgia ........................................... : 1
Germany ........................................... : 98 0.2%
Greece ............................................ : 70 0.1%
Guatemala ......................................... : 26
Honduras .......................................... : 27
Hong Kong ......................................... : 121 0.2%
Hungary ........................................... : 120 0.2%
India ............................................. : 1,429 2.9%
Indonesia ......................................... : 110 0.2%
Iran .............................................. : 578 1.2%
Iraq .............................................. : 13
Ireland ........................................... : 4
Israel ............................................ : 148 0.3%
Italy ............................................. : 242 0.5%
Jamaica ........................................... : 20
Japan ............................................. : 44
Jordan ............................................ : 18
Kazakhstan ........................................ : 167 0.3%
Korea, Republic of ................................ : 1,771 3.6%
Kuwait ............................................ : 22
Latvia ............................................ : 60 0.1%
Lebanon ........................................... : 1
Lithuania ......................................... : 26
Macao ............................................. : 5
Macedonia, the former Yugoslav Republic of ........ : 15
Malaysia .......................................... : 121 0.2%
Maldives .......................................... : 11
Malta ............................................. : 11
Martinique ........................................ : 3
Mauritius ......................................... : 3
Mexico ............................................ : 1,112 2.3%
Moldova, Republic of .............................. : 128 0.2%
Mongolia .......................................... : 24
Montenegro ........................................ : 4
Morocco ........................................... : 95 0.1%
Mozambique ........................................ : 1
Nepal ............................................. : 4
Netherlands ....................................... : 218 0.4%
New Caledonia ..................................... : 6
New Zealand ....................................... : 26
Nicaragua ......................................... : 2
Nigeria ........................................... : 5
Norway ............................................ : 72 0.1%
Oman .............................................. : 57 0.1%
Pakistan .......................................... : 129 0.2%
Palestine, State of ............................... : 33
Panama ............................................ : 47
Paraguay .......................................... : 2
Peru .............................................. : 136 0.2% Philippines ....................................... : 50 0.1%
Poland ............................................ : 388 0.8%
Portugal .......................................... : 49 0.1%
Puerto Rico ....................................... : 86 0.1%
Qatar ............................................. : 61 0.1%
Romania ........................................... : 782 1.6%
Russian Federation ................................ : 4,470 9.2%
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines .................. : 1
Saudi Arabia ...................................... : 114 0.2%
Senegal ........................................... : 28
Serbia ............................................ : 78 0.1%
Seychelles ........................................ : 79 0.1%
Singapore ......................................... : 46
Slovakia .......................................... : 21
Slovenia .......................................... : 4
Somalia ........................................... : 2
South Africa ...................................... : 48
Spain ............................................. : 813 1.6%
Sri Lanka ......................................... : 2
Sweden ............................................ : 441 0.9% Switzerland ....................................... : 186 0.3%
Syrian Arab Republic .............................. : 4
Taiwan, Province of China ......................... : 1,490 3.0%
Tajikistan ........................................ : 2
Tanzania, United Republic of ...................... : 2
Thailand .......................................... : 359 0.7%
Trinidad and Tobago ............................... : 36
Tunisia ........................................... : 31
Turkey ............................................ : 1,538 3.1%
Uganda ............................................ : 3
Ukraine ........................................... : 7,913 16.4%
United Arab Emirates .............................. : 31
United Kingdom .................................... : 241 0.5%
United States ..................................... : 1,117 2.3%
Uruguay ........................................... : 17
Uzbekistan ........................................ : 33
Venezuela ......................................... : 82 0.1%
Viet Nam .......................................... : 2,082 4.3%

_______________________________________________________________________________

Total Connects = 48,104

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Hi Joseph!

21 May 2017 23:52, from Joseph Larsen -> All:

I want to run my board on port 23, but I keep getting unwanted
connections to it. Mostly from Chinese hackers, I presume. Anyone know
a way to solve this, with iptables or the like?

That is the reality of todays Internet.
Learn to live with it, and use good passwords.

Best is to abandon telnet altogether and switch to SSH.

CU, Ricsi

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On 2017 May 21 23:52:22, you wrote to All:

I want to run my board on port 23, but I keep getting unwanted connections to it. Mostly from Chinese hackers, I presume.

nope... most likely they are MIRIA trying to figure out if your BBS is a DVR, a
(not so) smart TV, an IP Camera or a vulnerable router... my old school frontdoor mailer shows their connection attempts to me all the time... it is why i was one of the very first to raise alerts to them and also be able to develop detection rules for the IDS software that i run... some of the connections attempt logins and issue busybox commands while others just sit until the mailer times out and drops them to the BBS where they will sit until the BBS times out or they start their login attempt and get booted...

in fact, i just caught another new variant using PEIN instead of MIRAI as their
watchword... so far my system is tracking at least 17 known variants... each using a different watchword to detect the end of their command execution attempts...

Anyone know a way to solve this, with iptables or the like?

there is some majik that can be cast that way but i prefer to run an intrusion detection system with an automatic reaction tool... but i do this on my perimeter firewall instead of on any of the BBS or server machines...

anyway, janis has some iptables recipe that she's using on her port 23 to try to mitigate this... or she did... i have a brain cell kicking me and saying that she did move from port 23 like so many other folks have done...

)\/(ark

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On 2017 May 22 09:44:24, you wrote to Joseph Larsen:

I want to run my board on port 23, but I keep getting unwanted
connections to it. Mostly from Chinese hackers, I presume. Anyone
know a way to solve this, with iptables or the like?

That is the reality of todays Internet. Learn to live with it, and use good passwords.

it is the MIRAI critter looking for DVRs, TVs, IP Cameras and vulnerable routers that are exposed to the WAN... there's a very short list of usernames and passwords that it uses... one really only need to list those in the BBS' rejection files but it won't stop the connections...

i just don't understand why folks can't or won't set up a perimeter firewall instead of using the shitty firewall in their ISP's modem thing... put the modem into bridge mode and let the firewall handle the connection... pfsense, smoothwall, and others work great for handling these types of things... you can
even build and maintain a list of IPs to disallow and let the firewall block them on their initial SYN... stop the traffic at the perimeter and keep it out completely... it is a no brainer...

Best is to abandon telnet altogether and switch to SSH.

you cannot switch old-school BBSes to SSH when using virtual modem shims... there are not existing that speak SSH...

)\/(ark

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Hi mark!

22 May 2017 13:05, from mark lewis -> Richard Menedetter:

That is the reality of todays Internet. Learn to live with it,
and use good passwords.

it is the MIRAI critter

Yes ... that is the reality if todays Internet ... any we have to live with it ;)

Best is to abandon telnet altogether and switch to SSH.

you cannot switch old-school BBSes to SSH when using virtual modem shims... there are not existing that speak SSH...

Then it is time to abandon modem shims.
We are not chiseling stone tablets any more ...

CU, Ricsi

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On 2017 May 22 23:09:54, you wrote to me:

That is the reality of todays Internet. Learn to live with it,
and use good passwords.

it is the MIRAI critter

Yes ... that is the reality if todays Internet ... any we have to live with it ;)

maybe, maybe not... with proper detection and prevention, not so much ;)

Best is to abandon telnet altogether and switch to SSH.

you cannot switch old-school BBSes to SSH when using virtual modem
shims... there are not existing that speak SSH...

Then it is time to abandon modem shims.
We are not chiseling stone tablets any more ...

perhaps you can explain how to put MBSE or BBBS on SSH then?

)\/(ark

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Hello mark!

23 May 17 02:34, you wrote to Richard Menedetter:

perhaps you can explain how to put MBSE or BBBS on SSH then?

MBSE doesn't need to be told anything about ssh. Once your account is created you simply ssh to the machine and login.

I haven't tried creating a new account via ssh, but I would assume that
won't work due to the nature of ssh.

Shawn

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On 2017 May 23 05:19:28, you wrote to me:

perhaps you can explain how to put MBSE or BBBS on SSH then?

MBSE doesn't need to be told anything about ssh. Once your account is created you simply ssh to the machine and login.

interesting... i was under the impression that it was spawned using telnet...

I haven't tried creating a new account via ssh, but I would assume
that won't work due to the nature of ssh.

sounds legit ;)

)\/(ark

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Hi mark!

23 May 2017 02:34, from mark lewis -> Richard Menedetter:

Then it is time to abandon modem shims.
We are not chiseling stone tablets any more ...

perhaps you can explain how to put MBSE or BBBS on SSH then?

By abandoning them?

I can only say that I would not dare to make anything listen on a public telnet
port in todays internet ...

CU, Ricsi

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On 2017 May 23 20:00:12, you wrote to me:

Then it is time to abandon modem shims. We are not chiseling stone
tablets any more ...

perhaps you can explain how to put MBSE or BBBS on SSH then?

By abandoning them?

they're relatively new tech, man...

I can only say that I would not dare to make anything listen on a
public telnet port in todays internet ...

and here i have no problems with several frontdoor nodes on one system as well as SBBS on another dealing with these... they connect, they get blocked, done...

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Hello Shawn!

23 May 17 05:19, you wrote to mark lewis:

I haven't tried creating a new account via ssh, but I would assume
that won't work due to the nature of ssh.

Correct. The bbs account (used for new user registration) does not have a password, and therefore cannot be logged into via SSH.

In theory one could add a password to that account, but then you would need a method to distribute the password to potential new users.

Andrew

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Hello mark!

23 May 17 11:46, you wrote to Shawn Highfield:

MBSE doesn't need to be told anything about ssh. Once your
account is created you simply ssh to the machine and login.

interesting... i was under the impression that it was spawned using telnet...

MBSE's mblogin program replaces the standard login for telnet connections. For SSH connections, the standard ssh login procedure prevails. Since the BBS users have unix accounts with /opt/mbse/bin/mbsebbs as their shell, the SSH users are connected directly to the BBS after they successfully log in.

Andrew

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Hello mark!

23 May 17 11:46, you wrote to me:

interesting... i was under the impression that it was spawned using telnet...

MBSE unlike the rest doesn't have a built in telnet daemon, it uses the
tools in the OS itself. That's why when creating a new user it logs you
off and you have to reconnect using the newly created account (as the 'bbs' user runs the newuser script)

I haven't tried creating a new account via ssh, but I would
assume that won't work due to the nature of ssh.

sounds legit ;)

I just tried... It didn't work for me, however I also didn't try
with syncterm ssh which /may/ allow it to work.

If you want to try, the telnet port is 2323 and the ssh port is 22
here at tinysbbs.com and those ports direct you to my pi.

Shawn

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On 2017 May 23 16:41:58, you wrote to Shawn Highfield:

I haven't tried creating a new account via ssh, but I would assume
that won't work due to the nature of ssh.

Correct. The bbs account (used for new user registration) does not
have a password, and therefore cannot be logged into via SSH.

In theory one could add a password to that account, but then you would need a method to distribute the password to potential new users.

similar to how some underground and scene boards have one hidden in their text screens that you're supposed to read when signing up... possibly something on the initial screen with the initial prompts... assuming that SSH servers can even transmit a login screen in the first place...

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On 2017 May 23 16:46:04, you wrote to me:

MBSE doesn't need to be told anything about ssh. Once your account
is created you simply ssh to the machine and login.

interesting... i was under the impression that it was spawned using
telnet...

MBSE's mblogin program replaces the standard login for telnet
connections. For SSH connections, the standard ssh login procedure prevails. Since the BBS users have unix accounts with /opt/mbse/bin/mbsebbs as their shell, the SSH users are connected
directly to the BBS after they successfully log in.

interesting... i'm learning, slowly over time, that MBSE is truely built into/around the *nix system it is installed on... much like Waffle BBS was initially before they developed the DOS mimic which so many ran...

)\/(ark

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Joseph Larsen wrote to All <=-

Hi all,

I want to run my board on port 23, but I keep getting unwanted
connections to it. Mostly from Chinese hackers, I presume. Anyone know
a way to solve this, with iptables or the like?

Joseph

I know it's a real pain to try and deal with it. Try google and search for the keyword iptables block ip address. To block a whole country there is some information posted on google that will explain how to do it.

Phil
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Stephen Walsh wrote to Joseph Larsen <=-

Hello Joseph!

21 May 17 23:52, you wrote to all:

I want to run my board on port 23, but I keep getting unwanted
connections to it. Mostly from Chinese hackers, I presume. Anyone know
a way to solve this, with iptables or the like?

I allow my bbs system to conenct to port 23 but due to getting to much abuse I switched it to port 2300.


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You should all try this:

https://github.com/punktniklas/NiKom/tree/master/Extras/Botcheck

Me and others have been using it for quite a while to stop script kiddies taking down our Amiga BBS:es with too many telnet connections and it works great.


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I personally have no problem blocking countries that want to act like dumb asses...

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Great, now how do I get a copy of it without downloading some swedish BBS system I do not need? LOL

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Great, now how do I get a copy of it without downloading some swedish BBS system I do not need? LOL

A Swedish BBS system sounds cool!? Where can I get a copy?

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