Hey Wynonie!

:read /proc/version
Linux version 6.11.5 (root@bitskii) (gcc (GCC) 14.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.43.1) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Oct 22 20:26:15 UTC 2024

Are we having fun yet?

Life is good,
Maurice

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On Tue, Oct 22 17:58:42 -0500, you wrote:

:read /proc/version
Linux version 6.11.5 (root@bitskii) (gcc (GCC) 14.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.43.1) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Oct 22 20:26:15 UTC 2024

Are we having fun yet?

Most definitely.. :)

Linux 6.11.5-arch1-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue, 22 Oct 2024 18:31:38 +0000 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Regards,
Nick

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Hey Nicholas!

Tue Oct 22 20:26:15 UTC 2024

Tue, 22 Oct 2024 18:31:38 +0000

You started having fun just a shade under 2 hours ahead of me. I feel cheated. :-|

On the plus side, at least there are two of us having fun.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

24 Oct 24 00:33, you wrote to Nicholas Boel:

You started having fun just a shade under 2 hours ahead of me. I feel cheated. :-|

His TZUTC: -0500 has some advantage ;-)

Once beeing part of US/Japan/Czech project - having calls everyday, I was the hapiest one, regarding timing ;-)

Karel

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Hey Karel!

His TZUTC: -0500 has some advantage ;-)

That is an illusion. As long as our clocks are all in sync, his kernel compile was two hours ahead of me.

Once beeing part of US/Japan/Czech project - having calls
everyday, I was the hapiest one, regarding timing ;-)

It is all relative. Using UTC for datetime stamps worldwide makes things much simpler as far as figuring out when events happen relative to all of us no matter how silly and inaccurate our respective timezones are, especially considering the nonstandard TZUTC kludge. Whoever came up with that should have been taken out to the woodshed. :-)

Life is good,
Maurice

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On Wed, Oct 23 19:33:58 -0500, you wrote:

Tue, 22 Oct 2024 18:31:38 +0000

You started having fun just a shade under 2 hours ahead of me. I feel cheated. :-|

To be fair, I didn't install it until not too long before I posted the reply to you (on the 23rd). Archlinux is a binary distro so my guess is that is when the Archlinux kernel team compiled it.

So you were having fun well enough before I was.

On the plus side, at least there are two of us having fun.

How long did it take to compile? I haven't compiled anything substantial size-wise in quite awhile, back when things like glibc took hours. So it would be interesting to know if things got any faster.

Have you heard any big and/or exciting things about kernel version 7?

Regards,
Nick

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Hey Nicholas!

How long did it take to compile?

Too many factors to pin a number to, but if I use ftp://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/slackware/slackware64-current/source/k/kernel-configs/config-6.11.5-generic.x64, a AMD Ryzen 7 5800U ( 8 cores, 2 threads per core ), with make -j16 and cpu govenor set to performance, it takes 26 minutes, 6.672 seconds.

So it would be interesting to know if things got any faster.

It seems to me that when I was doing kv-4.x.x on this same machine it took only around 5 minutes but that was using a leaner config. Too much has changed since then and to be honest I prefer the kv-6.x.x over any earlier source especially considering newer glibc, gcc etc. For me any additional compile times is more than worth it given the final result. If speed was the only consideration then something like a threadripper would be the way to go. :-)

Have you heard any big and/or exciting things about kernel
version 7?

Not yet but I haven't gone looking. I am getting too old for all this but I don't seem to be abandoning all of the work I put in to get this far. Obviously I am too stubborn for my own good. The neighbours have been happy with my wireless work which I keep telling myself to give the old heave-ho. Too much crap in that department but as long as everyone is happy with it who am I to argue.

Right now my favorite distraction is making 4K digital movies. What a hog that is but I must admit I am having fun with the idea especially given mpv and libdrm.

Also I want to move Little Mikey's Brain over to a Epyc based server and virtualize it. It has a spare GHz network chip I should be able to farm out to it.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

24 Oct 24 16:08, you wrote to me:

to all of us no matter how silly and inaccurate our respective
timezones are, especially considering the nonstandard TZUTC kludge. Whoever came up with that should have been taken out to the woodshed.
:-)

What I ment: US collegues had to wake up very early morning, I joined after lunch and Japanies got used to late afternoon calls ;-)

Sry for offtopic...

Karel

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Hey Karel!

US collegues had to wake up very early morning

Given that I am on the west coast of NA, I'd be an early bird in this situation. Right now we're on dst but in a couple of weeks that will change to standard time, which happens to be more accurate with respect to the sun. However I'd probably still operate on UTC given the complications built into localtime. I've been tuned to UTC for half my life now so it isn't an issue with me and most definetly isn't to any machine here as it simplifies everything.

It sounds to me that in your situation the times used were probably the best for all concerned. In my situation morning is always better so it probably would have worked for me.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Maurice Kinal wrote to Karel Kral <=-

Given that I am on the west coast of NA, I'd be an early bird in this situation. Right now we're on dst but in a couple of weeks that will change to standard time, which happens to be more accurate with respect
to the sun. However I'd probably still operate on UTC given the complications built into localtime. I've been tuned to UTC for half my life now so it isn't an issue with me and most definetly isn't to any machine here as it simplifies everything.

I'm on the west coast as well. My parent company headquarters are in
Paris, 10 hours ahead. My regional headquarters is in Houston, 2 hours
ahead. My boss is 3 hours ahead, but insists on getting into the office
at 7:30am and leaves at 4:30pm - which is 4:30am to 1:30pm my time.

My compromise is to work 8-5 Houston time and take an early afternoon
off. I still get meeting invites for 5am, midnight, and as always, noon.

I think I need to re-read Cory Doctorow's Eastern Standard Tribe.

Back in the days of Big Iron, I knew people who worked swing and
graveyard shifts feeding the apparatus of computing - backing up disks
to tape, printing reports, running maintenance routines. These took all
night long, and the people ended up on their own circadian rhythms.

The biggest downside I heard was that Every Meal Was Breakfast. You wake
up around 5pm, and want breakfast. Lunch break is around 2am, and it's
24 hour diner time. When you get off work at 8, everyone is serving
breakfast.

It sounds to me that in your situation the times used were probably the best for all concerned. In my situation morning is always better so it probably would have worked for me.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hey Kurt!

I think I need to re-read Cory Doctorow's Eastern Standard Tribe.

I found a text version at http://craphound.com/est/Cory_Doctorow_-_Eastern_Standard_Tribe.txt and will give it a read in the near future.

The biggest downside I heard was that Every Meal Was Breakfast.

At Denny's? Errrr ... does Denny's still exist? Obviously I don't get out much anymore. I think the last time I was in a Denny's was back in the mid 1970's at the corner of 22nd Street and Idylwyld Drive in Saskatoon Sask. Them were the days.

Life is good,
Maurice

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At Denny's? Errrr ... does Denny's still exist? Obviously I don't get

It did when I was in the US (Oregon) back in Feb.

We tend to arrive at our destination late at night and Denny's has become the place we go for a feed before heading to the hotel...

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Hey Bob!

It did when I was in the US (Oregon) back in Feb.

Probably still does. I noted there were a few in Australia back between 1982-1989 that became The Keg. None that I could find in Tasmania though.

Life is good,
Maurice

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