Hello All!

using nano, but i don't try 8bit yet, hehe

nano is supporting idn and utf8, but utf7 would imho be what it should be for fidonet software, i dont exspect utf8 to work stable on amiga ever, its to late to hope it will be solved on amiga, or even on old ms-dos, what can be done is using html will work, but there is no hope any fidonet software will do native html at all :/

all well ?


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Hey Benny!

using nano, but i don't try 8bit yet, hehe

Your CHRS kludge claims you are using 8bit.

nano is supporting idn and utf8, but utf7 would imho be what it
should be for fidonet software,

I disagree. utf8 should be the default.

there is no hope any fidonet software will do native html at all

Why? All that will accomplish is bloating text messages with html tags that people like me will filter out. You can count on that. I am still using pure text (utf8) in email. I absolutely hate html email.

If you meant to say using httpd to display msgs then it has long been a done deal although I have yet to see anyone get proper displays working in a textual enviroment such as a 4K display. I have been toying with this idea since viewing a mp4 farmed out to mpv from my links text browser on a 4K monitor deploying the linux terminal. mpv can do this using libdrm for graphical output, with no need for a gui. Also I can split the 4k linux terminal into 4 terminals that are very close to looking like the 80x24 terminals from way back when that was the standard size of a purely textual display. Over the course of almost 40 years, I have never seen anything better, although the Matrox G200 was outstanding in it's time. Things got better I am happy to report.

all well ?

Little Mikey's Brain lost it's 16 penguin host machine last week. Good thing I had a quad core backup ready to pick up the task. Up to date too, software-wise. This standardized fidonet msg tells the tale.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

25 Aug 2024 19:56, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

using nano, but i don't try 8bit yet, hehe

Your CHRS kludge claims you are using 8bit.

+1

i miss my amiga :=)

nano is supporting idn and utf8, but utf7 would imho be what it
should be for fidonet software,

I disagree. utf8 should be the default.

we can agree to disagree hehe :)

there is no hope any fidonet software will do native html at all

Why?

if html was used as html without utf8, or crap like quoted printelble on top of html or even utf8 it would be perfect, but as all in microdollers no one care at all

All that will accomplish is bloating text messages with html

disagree

tags that people like me will filter out.

did i say css ? :=)

You can count on that. I
am still using pure text (utf8) in email.

i still say amiga won't help you with that statement

I absolutely hate html
email.

me2, especsily when done on maillists, people at ignorants there, try convence gmail users to turn html of ?

If you meant to say using httpd to display msgs then it has long been
a done deal although I have yet to see anyone get proper displays
working in a textual enviroment such as a 4K display. I have been
toying with this idea since viewing a mp4 farmed out to mpv from my
links text browser on a 4K monitor deploying the linux terminal.

video is not really html is it ?

mpv
can do this using libdrm for graphical output, with no need for a gui.

just like as link -g giffile.gif is ment to test vga monitors ? :=)

Also I can split the 4k linux terminal into 4 terminals that are very close to looking like the 80x24 terminals from way back when that was
the standard size of a purely textual display.

it would have saved energy in in 1970 and forward if that existed at that time, today i have asus σpn50 with less energy consumes then a old quad pentium ii :)

yes i still have the quad pentium ii, hehe, 4 cpu do the max on 1536 bogomips, so equal as a rasberry pie with 1000 times less energi consumes, hmm

Over the course of
almost 40 years, I have never seen anything better, although the
Matrox G200 was outstanding in it's time. Things got better I am
happy to report.

i had a G200 aswell, lost if it was pci or isa, it would imho be fast like a pentium pro raid card in my quard core pentium ii, silly ibm hardware design

all well ?

Little Mikey's Brain lost it's 16 penguin host machine last week.
Good thing I had a quad core backup ready to pick up the task. Up to date too, software-wise. This standardized fidonet msg tells the
tale.

i plan on upgrade from pn50 to pn53 :)

but i am just not have the money yet, pn53 is more energy saving then pn50

Life is good,
Maurice

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hehe powersave mode ? :=)

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Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Hey Benny!

we can agree to disagree hehe :)

We can? Where does it say that in the published standards?

I am still using pure text (utf8) in email.

i still say amiga won't help you with that statement

Tough darts farmer. Amiga is just as dead as DOS and is unlikely to be of any help to the living ... or dead for that matter.

video is not really html is it ?

It is viewed with a browser that has some sort of video attached to the device. Usually an overpriced smartphone running Android or other similar crappy OS these days. :::sigh:::

i plan on upgrade from pn50 to pn53 :)

Okay. Personally I prefer the Asrock 4x4 with two ethernet ports. My local private network is where I have most of my fun but do appreciate a fast internet connection to assist obtaining the proper sources, such as kernels, glibc, and gcc. 16 penguins is always nice to see on bootup. :-)

but i am just not have the money yet, pn53 is more energy saving
then pn50

The p52 uses ddr4 up to 64G. I have two 16G sodimms that I need to farm out from the one that got taken out in the last storm. That is the one that caught my eye although I got turned off by the preinstalled Windows it comes with. The Asrock's 4X4s didn't come with an OS which is exactly what I want.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Keenly perceive what is good or evil, and always distinguish them.
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Hello Maurice!

25 Aug 24 22:22, you wrote to Benny Pedersen:

We can? Where does it say that in the published standards?

I guess - this should be in LINUX area Rules(?)

I am still using pure text (utf8) in email.

This is also my way - but, all these Teams Invitations - not working (correctly) without html.

In case of fidonet - I do not want to double traffic just because somebody is using html.

Karel

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Hej Karel!

This is also my way - but, all these Teams Invitations - not
working (correctly) without html.

I am unsure of what that means but my best hunch is that it has nothing to do with the MSG standard(s). Also for display purposes every node has it's choice and could easily be html as log as messages for fidonet are in the MSG format for packed msgs. Personally I don't have any issues with html other than I don't wish to follow suit.

In case of fidonet - I do not want to double traffic just because
somebody is using html.

Agreed. I have witnessed far worse than double when comparing straight text with no tags compared to that same text with html tags.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

27 Aug 24 01:58, you wrote to me:

I am unsure of what that means but my best hunch is that it has
nothing to do with the MSG standard(s). Also for display purposes

Sorry for confusion. As you mentioned "email" I wrote about smtp more than about fidonet.

In my case - 3 challenges: 1) local areas with specific coding where 2) my preferred editor can not handle conversion easily and of course 3) missing know how on my side.

But I can live with that.

Karel

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Hej Karel!

As you mentioned "email" I wrote about smtp more than about
fidonet.

Ah! The only reason I brought it up was because it was a very good example of what goes wrong when pure text (email) gets overrun by html (webmail).

my preferred editor can not handle conversion easily

Which editor? I am using vim, which happens to be the same editor I use for email, which makes it handy.

and of course 3) missing know how on my side.

That one is a real pickle given that few, if any these days, are following the published standard for the packed MSG format.

But I can live with that.

Speaking for myself, I am getting too old for this. Good thing I started when I did since I seriously doubt I'd be able to decipher it now, nevermind actually do something about it.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hej Karel!

my preferred editor can not handle conversion easily

Are we talking email <-> MSG ? Presently I am using bash scripts and the local MSG base isn't vastly different than the packed msg format. I don't see the msg format in the below features but I didn't let that stop me. :-)

<Esc>:read !vim --version

VIM - Vi IMproved 9.1 (2024 Jan 02, compiled Aug 26 2024 08:53:12)
Included patches: 1-660
Compiled by root@offgrid
Huge version without GUI. Features included (+) or not (-):
+acl +file_in_path +mouse_urxvt -tag_any_white
+arabic +find_in_path +mouse_xterm -tcl
+autocmd +float +multi_byte +termguicolors +autochdir +folding +multi_lang +terminal -autoservername -footer -mzscheme +terminfo -balloon_eval +fork() +netbeans_intg +termresponse +balloon_eval_term -gettext +num64 +textobjects
-browse -hangul_input +packages +textprop ++builtin_terms +iconv +path_extra +timers
+byte_offset +insert_expand -perl +title
+channel +ipv6 +persistent_undo -toolbar
+cindent +job +popupwin +user_commands -clientserver +jumplist +postscript +vartabs
-clipboard +keymap +printer +vertsplit +cmdline_compl +lambda +profile +vim9script +cmdline_hist +langmap -python +viminfo
+cmdline_info +libcall -python3 +virtualedit
+comments +linebreak +quickfix +visual
+conceal +lispindent +reltime +visualextra
+cryptv +listcmds +rightleft +vreplace
+cscope +localmap -ruby +wildignore +cursorbind -lua +scrollbind +wildmenu
+cursorshape +menu +signs +windows
+dialog_con +mksession +smartindent +writebackup
+diff +modify_fname -sodium -X11
+digraphs +mouse -sound +xattr
-dnd -mouseshape +spell -xfontset
-ebcdic +mouse_dec +startuptime -xim
+emacs_tags -mouse_gpm +statusline -xpm
+eval -mouse_jsbterm -sun_workshop -xsmp
+ex_extra +mouse_netterm +syntax -xterm_clipboard +extra_search +mouse_sgr +tag_binary -xterm_save
-farsi -mouse_sysmouse -tag_old_static
system vimrc file: "/etc/vimrc"
user vimrc file: "$HOME/.vimrc"
2nd user vimrc file: "~/.vim/vimrc"
3rd user vimrc file: "~/.config/vim/vimrc"
user exrc file: "$HOME/.exrc"
defaults file: "$VIMRUNTIME/defaults.vim"
fall-back for $VIM: "/usr/share/vim"
Compilation: gcc -c -I. -Iproto -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -g -O2 -D_REENTRANT -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=1
Linking:
gcc -L/usr/local/lib -Wl,--as-needed -o vim -lm -lncurses -lacl -lattr

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

01 Sep 24 23:05, you wrote to me:

Hej Karel!

my preferred editor can not handle conversion easily

Are we talking email <-> MSG ? Presently I am using bash scripts and

No. No conversion. Using Golded+ (see also below).

CrashMail is OK. BinkD is also OK.

Using luit already - due to specific Czech Coding. For ENG echomail using pure something.

One more thing - using fidonet on VPS. (one more element - either Putty or ConnectBot).

In Cz area we already touched that topic. UTF is of course correct direction. But - as you wrote - we are older = we can live with actual setup. (We also are not talking about so many people in general).

Karel

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Hej Karel!

Using Golded+

I noticed that. Personally I prefer msged even though it isn't as fancy as golded. Neither of them can properly handle utf-8 replies. Tsk, tsk.

CrashMail is OK. BinkD is also OK.

I am using binkd.

either Putty or ConnectBot

Or a binkp mailer linked to libssh2. I've never used either of the above but have used openssh to transfer fidonet pkts in the past.

due to specific Czech Coding

I seem to recall us talking about this somewhere before. If not you then some other Czech.

trans> Zdá se mi, že si vzpomínám, že jsme o tom už někde mluvili.
trans> Když ne ty, tak nějaký jiný Čech.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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