• MX Linux

    From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to All on Thu Jul 22 21:09:00 2021
    Anybody used this MX Linux distro for much of anything?

    Been toying around with a few distros lately and this one has caught my
    eye. It's another Debian-based with ties to AntiX and Mepis. Seems
    pretty well done compared to others I've seen, and the real bonus is
    that it doesn't use 'systemd'.

    So just wondering if anyone has used it for a while, and what you may
    think of it... Thanks for input.



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  • From Richard Falken@1:123/115 to Dan Clough on Fri Jul 23 03:38:08 2021
    Re: MX Linux
    By: Dan Clough to All on Thu Jul 22 2021 09:09 pm

    Anybody used this MX Linux distro for much of anything?

    Been toying around with a few distros lately and this one has caught my
    eye. It's another Debian-based with ties to AntiX and Mepis. Seems
    pretty well done compared to others I've seen, and the real bonus is
    that it doesn't use 'systemd'.

    So just wondering if anyone has used it for a while, and what you may
    think of it... Thanks for input.



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    I have some MX Linux DVDs that came with Linux Magazine and have used them as last resort / emergency installs for workstations at work.

    I think it ships with systemd by default, though. I think it is just not enabled.

    MX Linux is good for eye candy but I personally don't think it makes sense to install it if you have a Devuan DVD available. I think you don't gain much by moving from Debian/Devuan to MX Linux but you are placing yourself further downstream which is always problematic.

    So well, it works more often than not, but it does not bring anything new to the table. You can do much worse than installing MX Linux, certainly.

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Dan Clough on Fri Jul 23 11:02:38 2021
    Hello Dan!

    22 Jul 21 21:09, Dan Clough wrote to All:

    So just wondering if anyone has used it for a while, and what you may think of it... Thanks for input.

    I've installed it on a test system as it looks like a promising candidate for workstations. Didn't have much time to really test it so far, though.
    Anyone having a URL where I could download some spare time (preferrably well compressed ;-)?


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Richard Falken on Fri Jul 23 11:05:36 2021
    Hello Richard!

    23 Jul 21 03:38, Richard Falken wrote to Dan Clough:

    I think you don't gain
    much by
    moving from Debian/Devuan to MX Linux but you are placing yourself further
    downstream which is always problematic.

    Ah, well, if that was really true, no distribution derived from any other should be recommended. So in this is certainly not universally true.
    Comparing with stock Debian, I like the additional system management tools and the more relaxed approach to software that Debian considers not free enough. I have better ways to spend my time than teaching Debian how to come up with the proper drivers for my wifi chipset, graphics card, zfs or whatever.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Richard Falken on Fri Jul 23 07:47:00 2021
    Richard Falken wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Anybody used this MX Linux distro for much of anything?

    Been toying around with a few distros lately and this one has caught my
    eye. It's another Debian-based with ties to AntiX and Mepis. Seems
    pretty well done compared to others I've seen, and the real bonus is
    that it doesn't use 'systemd'.

    So just wondering if anyone has used it for a while, and what you may
    think of it... Thanks for input.

    I have some MX Linux DVDs that came with Linux Magazine and have
    used them as last resort / emergency installs for workstations at
    work.

    I think it ships with systemd by default, though. I think it is
    just not enabled.

    I does ship/install with systemd, but as you said it is not enabled by default, and is not running. Close enough for me.

    MX Linux is good for eye candy but I personally don't think it
    makes sense to install it if you have a Devuan DVD available. I
    think you don't gain much by moving from Debian/Devuan to MX
    Linux but you are placing yourself further downstream which is
    always problematic.

    I have been a little less than impressed with Devuan. Not sure it's completely "finished" just yet. I'm not even normally a Debian user,
    although I do like many things about it. As far as moving downstream... using that logic we should all be using Slackware. ;-) (which I am).

    So well, it works more often than not, but it does not bring
    anything new to the table. You can do much worse than installing
    MX Linux, certainly.

    Agreed. As I continue to get tired of waiting for Slackware to catch
    up, I am just pondering some possible replacement options. In reality I
    will probably never move off of Slack, but I like to think that I
    could... ;-)



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Gerrit Kuehn on Fri Jul 23 07:50:00 2021
    Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    So just wondering if anyone has used it for a while, and what you may think of it... Thanks for input.

    I've installed it on a test system as it looks like a promising
    candidate for workstations. Didn't have much time to really test
    it so far, though.

    Yes, I agree that it has real potential. I like some of the custom
    "tools" / tweaks that they package with it.

    Anyone having a URL where I could download
    some spare time (preferrably well compressed ;-)?

    Now *THAT* is something we could all use. I'll keep looking.



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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Dan Clough on Fri Jul 23 17:21:32 2021
    Hello Dan!

    23 Jul 21 07:50, Dan Clough wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

    I've installed it on a test system as it looks like a promising
    candidate for workstations. Didn't have much time to really test
    it so far, though.

    Yes, I agree that it has real potential. I like some of the custom "tools" / tweaks that they package with it.

    You just got me to install it on another notebook to toy with it more. I have a couple of machines still running Sabayon (which has finally been discontinued two days ago - so I guess I need some kind of follow-up system rather sooner than later).


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Richard Falken@1:123/115 to Dan Clough on Fri Jul 23 19:48:56 2021
    Re: Re: MX Linux
    By: Dan Clough to Richard Falken on Fri Jul 23 2021 07:47 am

    I have been a little less than impressed with Devuan. Not sure it's completely "finished" just yet. I'm not even normally a Debian user, although I do like many things about it. As far as moving downstream... using that logic we should all be using Slackware. ;-) (which I am).


    I think there are places in which using a derivative provides reasonablñe advantage. I am not saying never to use a derivative, I am saying that in this case I see not great benefit in it. Different thing.

    I am not impressed by the whole Debian ecosystem myself :-) Devuan seems to be quite ok nowadays but I am certainly not using it in deep.

    My policy regarding Slackware's slow release cycle is: keep everything in the most recent stable release; when not possible, use a BSD; when not possible, use Devuan.

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Gerrit Kuehn on Fri Jul 23 21:07:00 2021
    Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    I've installed it on a test system as it looks like a promising
    candidate for workstations. Didn't have much time to really test
    it so far, though.

    Yes, I agree that it has real potential. I like some of the custom "tools" / tweaks that they package with it.

    You just got me to install it on another notebook to toy with it
    more. I have a couple of machines still running Sabayon (which
    has finally been discontinued two days ago - so I guess I need
    some kind of follow-up system rather sooner than later).

    Cool, let me know what you think of it after using it a bit. Thanks.



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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Dan Clough on Sat Jul 24 08:38:54 2021
    Hello Dan!

    23 Jul 21 21:07, Dan Clough wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:


    Cool, let me know what you think of it after using it a bit. Thanks.

    I did some config stuff yesterday, mainly installing packages, creating users, setting up desktop etc. Everything went quite well so far. The repository management allows to use standard Debian packages as well as MX-provided things and flatpaks. I didn't really use the latter before, but it had stuff like discord and zoom available, so I didn't have to download and install these manually.
    Maybe I'll hand over the system to my family and ask them all to check if they think this will be a good follow-up distro for our familiy's computers.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Dan Clough on Sat Jul 24 11:09:52 2021
    * Originally by: Gerrit Kuehn (2:240/12), 24 Jul 21 08:38.

    Hello Dan!

    24 Jul 21 08:38, Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Dan Clough:

    The repository management allows to use standard Debian packages
    as well as MX-provided things and flatpaks. I didn't really use the latter before, but it had stuff like discord and zoom available, so I didn't have to download and install these manually.

    As a follow-up: We have several HP printers here, so installing hplip is the way to go. We have one old MFP among these that requires the additional hplip binary plugin to allow scanning over network (which is a very nice feature we rely on heavily). This plugin didn't install properly, but that's probably more HP's fault (hp-setup needs to install it). Actually, I have never been able to get it installed without any manual interaction on any system I tried (be it FreeBSD, Gentoo, Sabayon, MX or whatever). On the bright side, the "usual" tricks worked here, too, so I could just use the commandline to get everything going. Now I have both xsane and HP's simple scanner tool using the MFP scanner over the network.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Brian Rogers@1:142/103 to Dan Clough on Sat Jul 24 08:13:00 2021
    Dan Clough wrote to Gerrit Kuehn <=-

    Cool, let me know what you think of it after using it a bit. Thanks.

    Is that a port of Devuan? I've been using Devuan with TrinityDesktop now for
    a few years and have had good luck with it. The only downfall is upgrading it. Devuan itself is fine but Trinity often will choke. I have to restore my
    live backup on a test machine, upgrade it there, then restore that machine
    to my live machine. Not so efficient but effective.

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Dan Clough on Sat Jul 24 16:28:18 2021
    * Originally by: Gerrit Kuehn (2:240/12), 24 Jul 21 08:38.

    Hello Dan!

    24 Jul 21 08:38, Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Dan Clough:

    As a follow-up: We have several HP printers here, so installing hplip
    is the way to go. We have one old MFP among these that requires the
    additional hplip binary plugin to allow scanning over network (which
    is a very nice feature we rely on heavily). This plugin didn't
    install properly, but that's probably more HP's fault (hp-setup needs
    to install it). Actually, I have never been able to get it installed
    without any manual interaction on any system I tried (be it FreeBSD,
    Gentoo, Sabayon, MX or whatever). On the bright side, the "usual"
    tricks worked here, too, so I could just use the commandline to get
    everything going. Now I have both xsane and HP's simple scanner tool
    using the MFP scanner over the network.


    Regards,
    Gerrit


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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Gerrit Kuehn on Sat Jul 24 09:38:00 2021
    Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Cool, let me know what you think of it after using it a bit. Thanks.

    I did some config stuff yesterday, mainly installing packages,
    creating users, setting up desktop etc. Everything went quite
    well so far. The repository management allows to use standard
    Debian packages as well as MX-provided things and flatpaks. I
    didn't really use the latter before, but it had stuff like
    discord and zoom available, so I didn't have to download and
    install these manually. Maybe I'll hand over the system to my
    family and ask them all to check if they think this will be a
    good follow-up distro for our familiy's computers.

    Very nice, that all sounds quite promising. Thanks.



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Gerrit Kuehn on Sat Jul 24 09:40:00 2021
    Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    The repository management allows to use standard Debian packages
    as well as MX-provided things and flatpaks. I didn't really use the
    latter before, but it had stuff like discord and zoom available, so I didn't have to download and install these manually.

    As a follow-up: We have several HP printers here, so installing
    hplip is the way to go. We have one old MFP among these that
    requires the additional hplip binary plugin to allow scanning
    over network (which is a very nice feature we rely on heavily).
    This plugin didn't install properly, but that's probably more
    HP's fault (hp-setup needs to install it). Actually, I have never
    been able to get it installed without any manual interaction on
    any system I tried (be it FreeBSD, Gentoo, Sabayon, MX or
    whatever). On the bright side, the "usual" tricks worked here,
    too, so I could just use the commandline to get everything going.
    Now I have both xsane and HP's simple scanner tool using the MFP
    scanner over the network.

    Sweet. I also use an HP MFP over the network for scanning, but just do
    it through the printer's "webscan" function via a browser. Works fine
    for the simple scanning I do occasionally.

    Sounds like another "+" in the MX column. ;-)



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Brian Rogers on Sat Jul 24 09:44:00 2021
    Brian Rogers wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Cool, let me know what you think of it after using it a bit. Thanks.

    Is that a port of Devuan? I've been using Devuan with
    TrinityDesktop now for a few years and have had good luck with
    it. The only downfall is upgrading it. Devuan itself is fine but
    Trinity often will choke. I have to restore my live backup on a
    test machine, upgrade it there, then restore that machine to my
    live machine. Not so efficient but effective.

    No, it's based on Debian, but not Devuan related. Affiliated with Antix
    and Mepis also. It seems like a pretty solid distro to me, and has been
    #1 on the Distrowatch "popularity list" (which is somewhat meaningless)
    for quite a while now.

    More info here: https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mx



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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Dan Clough on Sat Jul 24 17:13:32 2021
    Hello Dan!

    24 Jul 21 09:40, Dan Clough wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

    Sweet. I also use an HP MFP over the network for scanning, but just
    do
    it through the printer's "webscan" function via a browser. Works
    fine
    for the simple scanning I do occasionally.

    Yes, mine is old (an CM2320FXI), it doesn't support scanning via the webui.
    Oh, and just in case I forgot to tell: we're XFCE users, so that's the version I'm talking about here (not KDE, fluxbox or what else they may offer).

    Sounds like another "+" in the MX column. ;-)

    For our use case, definitely yes. I'll ask the others what they think and need. My wife is a teacher and needs to be able to run some strange software for school. Discord will definitely make our son happy, but he also has a couple of other things the uses regularly. My parents and our daughter are usually fine when they can use scanner and printer, do email, webbrowsing and the occasional text document or spreadsheet.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Gerrit Kuehn on Sat Jul 24 18:06:00 2021
    Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Sweet. I also use an HP MFP over the network for scanning, but just
    do it through the printer's "webscan" function via a browser. Works
    fine for the simple scanning I do occasionally.

    Yes, mine is old (an CM2320FXI), it doesn't support scanning via
    the webui. Oh, and just in case I forgot to tell: we're XFCE
    users, so that's the version I'm talking about here (not KDE,
    fluxbox or what else they may offer).

    Ahhh, OK. Yes, I also use XFCE and dislike anything else after all
    these years.

    Sounds like another "+" in the MX column. ;-)

    For our use case, definitely yes. I'll ask the others what they
    think and need. My wife is a teacher and needs to be able to run
    some strange software for school. Discord will definitely make
    our son happy, but he also has a couple of other things the uses regularly. My parents and our daughter are usually fine when they
    can use scanner and printer, do email, webbrowsing and the
    occasional text document or spreadsheet.

    Excellent. It is an excellent distro from what I've seen, and what
    you're seeing. I'm a longtime Slackware user, and honestly can't see
    myself switching away from it, but lately I've gotten a little fed up
    with how it's going, and this distro (MX) is the only one I've found
    that makes me even wonder if it's a possible replacement. I use it on a test/play laptop that I sometimes use while watching TV or something,
    and am enjoying it quite a bit. Thanks for your feedback!



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  • From Brian Rogers@1:142/103 to Dan Clough on Sat Jul 24 20:31:00 2021
    Hello Dan;

    Dan Clough wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    No, it's based on Debian, but not Devuan related. Affiliated with
    Antix and Mepis also. It seems like a pretty solid distro to me, and
    has been #1 on the Distrowatch "popularity list" (which is somewhat meaningless) for quite a while now.

    More info here: https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mx

    Cool, perhaps I'll give it a look. As a partner developer with Debian I'm interested in the various forks. I prefer Devuan as I'm not in favor of systemd.

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Brian Rogers on Sat Jul 24 21:36:00 2021
    Brian Rogers wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    No, it's based on Debian, but not Devuan related. Affiliated with
    Antix and Mepis also. It seems like a pretty solid distro to me, and
    has been #1 on the Distrowatch "popularity list" (which is somewhat meaningless) for quite a while now.

    More info here: https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mx

    Cool, perhaps I'll give it a look. As a partner developer with
    Debian I'm interested in the various forks. I prefer Devuan as
    I'm not in favor of systemd.

    I think it's worth a look. Not sure if you saw earlier in the thread, I mentioned that MX doesn't use systemd by default. It's included, but
    not enabled. That's getting to be a rare thing now, and matters to me,
    as well. If you do check it out, your feedback would be appreciated!



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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Dan Clough on Sun Jul 25 08:00:20 2021
    Hello Dan!

    24 Jul 21 18:06, Dan Clough wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

    Excellent. It is an excellent distro from what I've seen, and what you're seeing. I'm a longtime Slackware user, and honestly can't see myself switching away from it, but lately I've gotten a little fed up with how it's going, and this distro (MX) is the only one I've found
    that makes me even wonder if it's a possible replacement.

    Some of the first Linux systems I've used (just as a user, not as an admin) in the 1990ies were Slackware, too. A former colleague was a big fan of it back then. Other systems were running SUSE, Debian, Redhat, Caldera...
    At some point they all drove me half-mad when it came to updates or when I wanted a specific version of some software. I switched to FreeBSD somewhen in the late 1990ies for many use cases (and stayed there till today). After doing that, I discovered Gentoo Linux soon after it came out, and since then I'm using it when I need Linux for some specific reason.
    But I never got around to put up enough infrastructure to be able to run Gentoo on workstations properly (have my own binary package server and things like that), so I went for Sabayon there when it was available (mainly for having the convenience of an installer, binary package updates etc). Allowed me to build on much of the Gentoo stuff I already had.

    Now that period appears to be over after another 15 years or so as Sabayon is going offline, and their follow-up product is not ready yet (I guess I should still give it a try, though).
    So I've been installing stock Debian on a couple of systems over the last months to see how it works as a replacement, but I'm still at odds with it. It often feels like it goes long ways to keep me from having simple solutions for simple problems, but well...
    Anyway, as a workstation OS, MX looks like it could solve most of the issues I usually have with Debian-based systems (and yes, not having to use systemd is definitely another plus).


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Dan Clough on Mon Jul 26 16:06:52 2021
    Hello Dan!

    22 Jul 2021 21:09, Dan Clough wrote to All:

    the real bonus is
    that it doesn't use 'systemd'.

    so now you are ready to use gentoo ?, if i really need precompiled things i would precompile it self :)


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  • From Brian Rogers@1:142/103 to Dan Clough on Mon Jul 26 19:34:00 2021
    Hello Dan;

    Dan Clough wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    I think it's worth a look. Not sure if you saw earlier in the thread,
    I mentioned that MX doesn't use systemd by default. It's included, but not enabled. That's getting to be a rare thing now, and matters to me,
    as well. If you do check it out, your feedback would be appreciated!

    Yes I saw that. Devuan has the systemd libs available but is sysvinit.
    That with TrinityDesktop (kde3 rewritten) is a decent system to use imho.

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Benny Pedersen on Mon Jul 26 21:28:00 2021
    Benny Pedersen wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    the real bonus is
    that it doesn't use 'systemd'.

    so now you are ready to use gentoo ?

    I have used gentoo a little, long ago. That's got nothing to do with
    the topic at hand (systemd), though. Not sure why/how you arrived at
    such a conclusion.

    if i really need precompiled things i would precompile it self :)

    Again, that "sentence" doesn't really make any sense, sorry.


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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Brian Rogers on Mon Jul 26 21:31:00 2021
    Brian Rogers wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    I think it's worth a look. Not sure if you saw earlier in the thread,
    I mentioned that MX doesn't use systemd by default. It's included, but not enabled. That's getting to be a rare thing now, and matters to me,
    as well. If you do check it out, your feedback would be appreciated!

    Yes I saw that. Devuan has the systemd libs available but is
    sysvinit.

    Yes, same with MX.

    That with TrinityDesktop (kde3 rewritten) is a decent
    system to use imho.

    Assuming one likes KDE to begin with, perhaps. I can't stand it myself,
    and have used XFCE for many years. I'd use Gnome before KDE... ;-)


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  • From Brian Rogers@1:142/103 to Dan Clough on Tue Jul 27 20:16:00 2021
    Hello Dan;

    Assuming one likes KDE to begin with, perhaps. I can't stand it
    myself, and have used XFCE for many years. I'd use Gnome before KDE...
    ;-)

    I've never liked XFCE or Gnome. XFCE I find to be sloppy and Gnome is OK, I'm just not a fanatic of it. I can't stand any of the newer "plasma" desktops either.

    ... I phoned the local ramblers club but they just went on and on.
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  • From Richard Falken@1:123/115 to Brian Rogers on Wed Jul 28 09:10:49 2021
    Re: Re: MX Linux
    By: Brian Rogers to Dan Clough on Tue Jul 27 2021 08:16 pm

    Hello Dan;

    Assuming one likes KDE to begin with, perhaps. I can't stand it myself, and have used XFCE for many years. I'd use Gnome before KDE...
    ;-)

    I've never liked XFCE or Gnome. XFCE I find to be sloppy and Gnome is OK, I'm just not a
    fanatic of it. I can't stand any of the newer "plasma" desktops either.

    ... I phoned the local ramblers club but they just went on and on.

    I just hate all of them. Anything more featureful than Fluxbox is bloat! And Fluxbox is
    stepping on the line...

    That said, XFCE works ok for workstations at $job because people seems to get them very quickly
    and it is easy on the shabby computers we have.

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  • From Brian Rogers@1:142/103 to Richard Falken on Wed Jul 28 10:45:00 2021
    Hello Richard;

    Richard Falken wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    I just hate all of them. Anything more featureful than Fluxbox is
    bloat! And Fluxbox is stepping on the line...

    I actually prefer NO desktop. Just give me terminal screens and I'm a happy camper, but for a desktop I do prefer the old KDE3 rewritten by the trinity team.

    That said, XFCE works ok for workstations at $job because people seems
    to get them very quickly and it is easy on the shabby computers we
    have.

    Trinity should work "OK" on those same machines, but NO desktop would be even better :)

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Richard Falken on Fri Jul 30 07:08:00 2021
    Richard Falken wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    That said, XFCE works ok for workstations at $job because people seems
    to get them very quickly and it is easy on the shabby computers we
    have.

    That brings up an interesting thought - how much eye candy and UI bloat
    is needed in a workplace? I need to be able to run a menu and run multiple programs, any WM would do that capably. Why not standardize on a simple WM?


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Brian Rogers on Fri Jul 30 07:09:00 2021
    Brian Rogers wrote to Richard Falken <=-

    I actually prefer NO desktop. Just give me terminal screens and I'm a happy camper, but for a desktop I do prefer the old KDE3 rewritten by
    the trinity team.

    I'm returning to the telnet/shell game, but I'm getting to appreciate a
    shell window and tmux.


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  • From Kai Richter@2:240/77 to Kurt Weiske on Fri Jul 30 19:59:34 2021
    Hello Kurt!

    30 Jul 21, Kurt Weiske wrote to Richard Falken:

    That brings up an interesting thought - how much eye candy and UI
    bloat is needed in a workplace?

    If you take a look on firefox's menu themes then there was/is a high demand for a customized individual design. If you can't work good then make it look good at least.

    I need to be able to run a menu and run multiple programs, any WM
    would do that capably. Why not standardize on a simple WM?

    You can see the result on any smartphone GUI. "simple" doesn't stop at the workplace, there is a trend of function reduction in the casual world.

    Could anyone check firefox for me? There was a button in the config to disable image downloads and view webpages in text only. I don't find it anymore...

    Regards

    Kai

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  • From Brian Rogers@1:142/103 to Kurt Weiske on Fri Jul 30 23:09:00 2021
    Hey Kurt;

    Kurt Weiske wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    I'm returning to the telnet/shell game, but I'm getting to appreciate a shell window and tmux.

    The nice thing about using shells or shell windows is that you can get a good feel for what's going on especially when something errors out or doesn't load properly and if things don't load/run properly there's strace and other tools you can use to figure out why. Often GUIs hide critical information one needs to fix their own system.

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  • From Richard Falken@1:123/115 to Kurt Weiske on Sat Jul 31 07:35:31 2021
    Re: Re: MX Linux
    By: Kurt Weiske to Richard Falken on Fri Jul 30 2021 07:08 am

    Richard Falken wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

    That said, XFCE works ok for workstations at $job because people seems to get them very quickly and it is easy on the shabby computers we have.

    That brings up an interesting thought - how much eye candy and UI bloat is needed in a workplace? I need to be able to run a menu and run multiple programs, any WM would do that capably. Why not standardize on a simple WM?


    ... Centrifugal force reacts to the rotating frame of reference.

    You cannot standarize on a simple WM because then you would loose marketing ground. A lot of people just sees the flash when deciding which IT solution to use. This is why I think it is great that Knoppix comes with LXDE and can have Compiz enabled. You can use compiz for demonstrations and getting the kids drooling over how cool the whole thing looks. Then whenh you need to do actual work you disable it and get a lean desktop that does nto get in your way.

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Richard Falken on Thu Aug 5 21:18:54 2021
    Hello Richard!

    28 Jul 21 09:10, Richard Falken wrote to Brian Rogers:


    That said, XFCE works ok for workstations at $job because people
    seems to get them very quickly
    and it is easy on the shabby computers we have.

    That's about why I'm using it, too. And I have it on my personal desktops to be able to fix issues or explain how to use it to other people.
    For my own use cases, something like icewm would probably be enough. Heck, even mwm might do it, I lived with it for years in the 1990ies.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Gerrit Kuehn on Thu Aug 5 20:50:24 2021
    Hello Gerrit!

    05 Aug 2021 21:18, Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Richard Falken:

    That said, XFCE works ok for workstations at $job because people
    seems to get them very quickly and it is easy on the shabby computers we have.

    That's about why I'm using it, too. And I have it on my personal
    desktops to be able to fix issues or explain how to use it to other people. For my own use cases, something like icewm would probably be enough.
    Heck, even mwm might do it, I lived with it for years in the 1990ies.

    in future there would be just linux kernels with android apps on windows, office 365 for ever :)


    Regards Benny

    ... too late to die young :)

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Benny Pedersen on Thu Aug 5 23:36:58 2021
    -={ 2021-08-05 23:36:58.982248599+00:00 }=-

    Hey Benny!

    in future there would be just linux kernels with android apps on
    windows, office 365 for ever :)

    -1

    Keep the linux kernel and ditch the rest. That would have easily gotten you a +1 instead.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Maurice Kinal on Fri Aug 6 00:53:18 2021
    Hello Maurice!

    05 Aug 2021 23:36, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    Keep the linux kernel and ditch the rest. That would have easily
    gotten you a +1 instead.

    i postted this servial years to late to make fun of it, i admit this, but following windows now that its more linux software in windows then what it had been before is atleast to see some hope that even windows users see the light of open precompiled softwere, sadly just without the sources :/


    Regards Benny

    ... too late to die young :)

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  • From Maurice Kinal@2:280/464.113 to Benny Pedersen on Fri Aug 6 01:48:54 2021
    -={ 2021-08-06 01:48:54.796586253+00:00 }=-

    Hey Benny!

    sadly just without the sources :/

    Which makes it worthless other than the brief period the user gets suckered into believing it is the greatest thing going. That usually lasts until a new smartphone gets released and the old one starts acting up ... which may be exactly the same time.

    It's an age old story.

    Life is good,
    Maurice

    ... Se ðe him ealne weg ondræt, se bið swylce he sy ealne weg cwellende.
    He who is always afraid is like one who is always dying.
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  • From Brian Rogers@1:142/103 to Benny Pedersen on Fri Aug 6 09:50:00 2021
    Benny et al;

    i postted this servial years to late to make fun of it, i admit this,
    but following windows now that its more linux software in windows then what it had been before is atleast to see some hope that even windows users see the light of open precompiled softwere, sadly just without
    the sources :/

    Micro$oft will steal software it can't purchase, and rewrite it so that the masses of field consultants will always have issues to fix. This is part of their actual business model! Not how to conduct a -real- corporation. There will always be bugs in softwares as long as humans write them but to deliberately create bugs like M$ does is irresponsible. Now with their "365" clound "solutions" they can easily farm people's data for sales and to report to the U.S. government which they actually DO. I'm sure Windows folks must be quite pleased to pay for licenses to allow a software company to keep their data insecure.

    ... Can you say TAX AND SPEND?
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