On 09 Aug 17 02:49:11, Bbsing Bbs said the following to All:

I just wonder if the main stream internet is making people dumb these days. I see the primary search engines as shopping tools more than research tools I wonder if the long term use and hooks the main stream internet is offerin the mega corps is nothing more than their tool for international enslavemen via mass consumer psycology.

Sadly I agree 100% with this. Everything seems like its being "dumbed down" and not necessarily limited to technology either.

Remember how Google started off as "do no evil", and now they morphed into the exact same fascist mega-corporation they despised.

Nick

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On 10 Aug 17 01:39:06, Mark Lewis said the following to Bbsing Bbs:

I just wonder if the main stream internet is making people dumb these

days.

i would have to say no to that... but it does allow many to display their ignorance quite visibly...

Such as moderators with inane draconian rules for an echo...

I wonder if the long term use and hooks the main stream internet is offering by the mega corps is nothing more than their tool for international enslavement via mass consumer psycology.

WTF is that shite???

"5. DO NOT post any offensive language or statements - NO PROFANITY."

So much for the profanity rule right? Do as I say not as I do?

the first thing i think is that you should be using your real name here... the FROM field or at least in your signature ;)

Or what will happen? The moderator will get upset? Feed cut? Bwahahahahaa....

I think I will start a campaign to motivate everyone to stop using dead echoes or better yet maybe just gate this one to Usenet so it gets the traffic and attention the moderator apparently so desperately craves.

Nick

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On 2017 Aug 10 07:31:56, you wrote to me:

I just wonder if the main stream internet is making people dumb

these days.

i would have to say no to that... but it does allow many to display
their ignorance quite visibly...

Such as moderators with inane draconian rules for an echo...

you are not required to use the echo, son...

I wonder if the long term use and hooks the main stream internet

is

offering by the mega corps is nothing more than their tool for
international enslavement via mass consumer psycology.

WTF is that shite???

"5. DO NOT post any offensive language or statements - NO PROFANITY."

So much for the profanity rule right? Do as I say not as I do?

what word or phrase do you see that is profane?? there may be a vulgar word but
no profane ones...

the first thing i think is that you should be using your real name
here... the FROM field or at least in your signature ;)

Or what will happen? The moderator will get upset? Feed cut? Bwahahahahaa....

it is called cooperation... you do know what that is, right?

I think I will start a campaign to motivate everyone to stop using
dead echoes

go right ahead... since they're ""dead"" echos, no one is using them anyway so you should have a very easy time motivating them ;)

or better yet maybe just gate this one to Usenet so it gets the
traffic and attention the moderator apparently so desperately craves.

this moderator doesn't crave any attention and he never has... besides no one asked for your input in this echo anyway and most every time you interact with me any more it is solely to whine and cry about me or my echos... grow up and present a good and decent image for your daughter to follow instead of a petty and vindictive one...

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On 10 Aug 17 15:42:06, Mark Lewis said the following to Nick Andre:

this moderator doesn't crave any attention and he never has... besides no o asked for your input in this echo anyway and most every time you interact w me any more it is solely to whine and cry about me or my echos... grow up a present a good and decent image for your daughter to follow instead of a pe and vindictive one...

Its real easy to be the big tough guy behind the keyboard and I suppose the appeal of being petty and vindictive is why you chose to be moderator.

My daughter has nothing to do with this conversation anymore than your dead son's rotting corpse does. Go fuck yourself and your "moderator" status.

Nick

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On 11 Aug 17 02:52:19, Bbsing Bbs said the following to All:

I and others can go on and on about this, but the other question is how to apply any force to steer the current momentum of the mega corps and primary surface web to something of eglaterian value for us all to move into a true information age.

As always more thoughts are welcome, all thoughts and perspectives.

I applogize for the grammer, and the spelling. I'm a compture guy not an english guy. I also am working this via live without spellcheck or stuff li that.

[...]

Thats okay, I understand very well :)

I seriously doubt there is any way to steer the "mega corps" away from profits and data mining, other than convincing people to stop using the Internet altogether. Unfortunately as long as there is appeal to the lowest common denominator that will never happen.

Look at how marketing now dictates the appearance and functionality of operating systems and websites.

Nick

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On 2017 Aug 11 10:46:30, you wrote to me:

this moderator doesn't crave any attention and he never has...
besides no o asked for your input in this echo anyway and most every
time you interact w me any more it is solely to whine and cry about
me or my echos... grow up a present a good and decent image for your
daughter to follow instead of a pe and vindictive one...

Its real easy to be the big tough guy behind the keyboard

yup... so why do you act like that when it comes to me and the echos i manage?

and I suppose the appeal of being petty and vindictive is why you
chose to be moderator.

give your head a shake, man... i'm not petty and/or vindictive... i don't/won't
hold a grudge until some time when i might get a chance to attack you or anyone
else some how... it isn't worth it...

My daughter has nothing to do with this conversation anymore than your dead son's rotting corpse does. Go fuck yourself and your "moderator" status.

same back to you...

BTW: ashes don't/won't/can't rot, silly! but your effort to try to upset me, while ignorant and lacking, was a decent try as a parting shot...

have yourself a day and remember they are numbered ;)

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On 11 Aug 17 17:08:12, Mark Lewis said the following to Nick Andre:

Its real easy to be the big tough guy behind the keyboard

yup... so why do you act like that when it comes to me and the echos i mana

LOL. Because you're a fake. A phony. A fraud. A total see-through excuse for a human being, and thats treading lightly. Lets just say that your life is Fido and you can't even manage that properly. Quite the legacy you'll be leaving behind when you finally bite the big one... before I do, I may add.

Any respect I had for you changed the moment you presented yourself as a know-it-all flaming homo, complete with the all-lowercase bullshit... as if thats supposed to impress me or make me bow to your infinite wisdom.

Whining and crying incessantly about shit either we already understand, we are capable of googling, or we generally just don't care to be ranted to about.

Name for me anyone who really admires or respects you, other than the Z1C who has a big strap-on phallic object placed straight up your ass. Name for me anyone in FTSC who respects your accomplishments. Then name for me one person who thanks you for auto-posting rules in dead echoes every month.

Mentioning my daughter is a straw-man reply in much the same way people bring up Hitler in Usenet when they've "lost their case"... so again, go fuck yourself, your rules, your dead son, all of your shit that encompasses who you are as a person. Its all bullshit and a very sad act that I can see through.

Are we done being friendly Sysops, or are you thirsty for more?

Nick

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On 2017 Aug 11 18:53:22, you wrote to me:

Its real easy to be the big tough guy behind the keyboard

yup... so why do you act like that when it comes to me and the echos
i mana[...]

LOL. Because you're a fake. A phony. A fraud. A total see-through excuse for a human being, and thats treading lightly. Lets just say that your

life

is Fido

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

and you can't even manage that properly.

i'm doing alright... better than you, apparently, since you seem to have some backed up need to shed your frustrations on me for some reason... i haven't done anything to you and i've not really been posting all that much recently, anyway... so bite it...

Quite the legacy you'll be leaving behind when you finally bite the
big one... before I do, I may add.

you are funny... besides, no one knows in advance when it is their time... you could easily go tomorrow while i stay on until i'm 100+ like my grandmother did...

Any respect I had for you changed the moment you presented yourself as
a know-it-all flaming homo,

yeah, you've been smoking some bad dope... i'm straight and always have been...

Name for me anyone who really admires or respects you, other than the
Z1C who has a big strap-on phallic object placed straight up your ass. Name for me anyone in FTSC who respects your accomplishments. Then
name for me one person who thanks you for auto-posting rules in dead echoes every month.

talk about someone being a piece of work... you should look in the mirror... i don't care what others think of me... that's their problem to deal with, not mine...

as far as auto-posting rules, so what? if they're dead echos, disconnect your system from them and then you don't have to deal with them... geez... what a crybaby...

Are we done being friendly Sysops, or are you thirsty for more?

i didn't start this crap, nick... you did...

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i'm doing alright... better than you, apparently, since you seem to have so backed up need to shed your frustrations on me for some reason... i haven't done anything to you and i've not really been posting all that much recentl anyway... so bite it...

LOL. No frustrations, just calling out a longtime fake and poser. It will be a glorious day when you are finally gone and out of here...

as far as auto-posting rules, so what? if they're dead echos, disconnect yo system from them and then you don't have to deal with them... geez... what crybaby...

Nah I think I'll keep 'em, at least until you're dead, so I can randomly annoy you or mock your "rules" when you try to bring your shit up to newcomers who are not familiar with your general lowercase backwoods dead son kerfuckery.

Nick

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Hi Nick!

09 Aug 2017 09:14, from Nick Andre -> Bbsing Bbs:

Sadly I agree 100% with this. Everything seems like its being "dumbed down" and not necessarily limited to technology either.

I strongly disagree.
There was never more extremely valuable and good information available!

There are many scientific papers available for free download.
The world is more global then ever!
You can subscribe to many newspapers (including ones from outside your country)
to check what they argue and what their arguments are.
You can then compare if your views may have missed some vital points, and if so, you can adapt your views.

What is correct is that there is also more bullshit and manipulation on the Internet today.
You need to be trained to see though it.

The Internet is just a tool for communication.
You need to select with WHOM you communicate.
But you have much more possibilities to communicate with good people all around
the globe.

Just my 2 cents.

CU, Ricsi

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On 13 Aug 17 11:57:10, Richard Menedetter said the following to Nick Andre:

Sadly I agree 100% with this. Everything seems like its being "dumbed down" and not necessarily limited to technology either.

I strongly disagree.
There was never more extremely valuable and good information available!

While that may be true, the information available is in most cases no different than one can (and have) obtained from libraries.

Remember the early to mid 90's... The world did not suddenly morph into some magical utopia when the Internet became popular, nor would the "information superhighway" bring us together or improve our social standings with
eachother by removing those geographical limits. In fact, I think the
opposite happened. People by and large just stare off into their
smartphones, or are addicted to Facebook, or seem compelled to share pictures of what theyre about to have for supper. Cybercrime is more advanced and prevailent than ever nowadays.

I realise its not all doom and gloom and there are a few good websites out there, but IMO western society's social skillset and intelligence level did not improve whatsoever by the Internet. Computer operating system GUI's these days appear to be now designed for the lowest common denominator. Windows 10, Gnome 3, etc. The ribbon in Microsoft Office? What a piece of crap.

The Internet is just a tool for communication.
You need to select with WHOM you communicate.

I really wish I could share the same sentiments, truth is, the Internet is by and large powered by companies who by and large earn profits by tracking and manipulating individual's on-line activity. Google, Microsoft, Amazon, etc.

Nick

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On 13 Aug 17 12:02:16, Richard Menedetter said the following to Orbitman:

Nobody forces the general public to look at Facebook.
They could as well download an EBook from Descartes, or some scientific pap and read that.
It is NOT the Internets fault that people do not do that very often.
They COULD do it, if they wanted to.

But sadly Richard... people by and large don't want to.

Since the Internet became popular, we have yet to see some really truly great science or scientists evolve; using the tools and information available on the Internet to advance the next "great thing".

Some exceptions of course. Take that project which uses the idle processing power of a volunteer's desktop computer to participate in a mass distributed-computing effort to decode images from space. Bitcoin currency is possibly another. Both of those have some real potential.

Sure, communication between scientists is probably wayyy easier using things like email, Skype, etc...

Nick

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Hi Nick!

Sorry for the late reply ...

14 Aug 2017 04:38, from Nick Andre -> Richard Menedetter:

While that may be true, the information available is in most cases no different than one can (and have) obtained from libraries.

There are major differences.
Access got much easier and faster.
(you do not need to wait for somebody to finance and write a book, but you have
often access to the papers).

You have much easier access to geographically diverse information.

Etc.

Remember the early to mid 90's... The world did not suddenly morph
into some magical utopia when the Internet became popular, nor would
the "information superhighway" bring us together or improve our social standings with eachother by removing those geographical limits.

It depends on how technology is used.
But the fact remains that it is now much quicker and easier to communicate with
people from other continents, etc.

Sure ... you could always just give them a call.
But it cost you an arm and a leg, now you can make a SIP, Skype, Trigema, whatever call with or without video.

In fact, I think the opposite happened. People by and large just stare
off into their smartphones, or are addicted to Facebook, or seem
compelled to share pictures of what theyre about to have for supper. Cybercrime is more advanced and prevailent than ever nowadays.

There we are again, that it depends on how technology is used.
And it also requires more education on the user side.
Eg. checking the crowd sizes for inauguration and to fact check "fake news"

I realise its not all doom and gloom and there are a few good websites
out there, but IMO western society's social skillset and intelligence level did not improve whatsoever by the Internet.

That is why education is important.
People need to LEARN to use the tools that are already widely available.

The Internet is just a tool for communication.
You need to select with WHOM you communicate.

I really wish I could share the same sentiments, truth is, the
Internet is by and large powered by companies who by and large earn profits by tracking and manipulating individual's on-line activity. Google, Microsoft, Amazon, etc.

education

Learn to use Privacy Badger, Adaware and other useful tools.

EFF is usually a good read on those topics.
One interesting part is browser fingerprinting.
https://panopticlick.eff.org/

CU, Ricsi

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Hi Nick!

Sorry for my extremely late reply!

14 Aug 2017 04:43, from Nick Andre -> Richard Menedetter:

Nobody forces the general public to look at Facebook.
They could as well download an EBook from Descartes, or some
scientific paper and read that.
It is NOT the Internets fault that people do not do that very often.
They COULD do it, if they wanted to.

But sadly Richard... people by and large don't want to.

I agree in general.
But is that the fault of the Internet, or of the people.

The Internet offers both.
If people choose one over the other, then it is the fault of the people.
And missing education.

Since the Internet became popular, we have yet to see some really
truly great science or scientists evolve; using the tools and
information available on the Internet to advance the next "great
thing".

The point is the information IS there ... if people do not use it, then it is the fault of the people ;)

Some exceptions of course. Take that project which uses the idle processing power of a volunteer's desktop computer to participate in a mass distributed-computing effort to decode images from space.

Indeed ... I started to contribute to distributed.net in 1997 ;)
Wheeew ... I am getting old ;)

Bitcoin currency is possibly another.
Both of those have some real potential.

Indeed ... but for me something like wikipedia would be the first to mention. Also the long tale ... there are many strange hobbies that only few people do. The Internet can bring those people together, and offer a forum where they can exchange their ideas.

CU, Ricsi

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On 2017 Oct 23 22:20:28, you wrote to Nick Andre:

Some exceptions of course. Take that project which uses the idle
processing power of a volunteer's desktop computer to participate in
a mass distributed-computing effort to decode images from space.

Indeed ... I started to contribute to distributed.net in 1997 ;)
Wheeew ... I am getting old ;)

my (smaller) farm still contributes to dnet... we used to also do foldingathome...

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