• Re: Usenet-Next - A proposal to create a very strict NNTP networkwith n

    From Tristan B. Kildaire@1:227/201 to Deavmi on Sun Nov 20 19:07:38 2016
    On 2016-11-20 06:44 PM, Deavmi wrote:
    So, I was not born in the Usenet era and honestly would have like to had
    what they had - a standard protocol for communication. This exists today
    but guess what has happened to it, SPAM, SPAM and more SPAM.

    I want an NNTP network and I know many others do as well, I surely
    cannot be alone in a quest for a protocol which allows discussions on
    topics with any client you want to use. Therefore I want to create a new Usenet, in this proposal I shall refer to it as Usenet-Next as it needs
    a name that people can use to relate to this proposal.


    So how shall we make our network rid of spam. Well the thing is to be
    strict in both the user registration process and the server
    configurations and who our servers peer with. I am not well versed at
    all in NNTP but that is why I'd like to get you people to mail me
    (deavmi [at] disroot [dot] org) so we discuss the setup but also the
    rules for the network which will be very strict and lastly how these
    things are linked together.


    Remember, we are not migrating Usenet but creating our own network, Usenet-Next, therefore we will not have any relation to the Usenet
    network or community, the only relation we will have is making them
    aware of our new proposal and network.


    I would like to save the idea of a distributed network of servers
    tossing posts around to create a decentralized but common database of
    news - this is Usenet. I would greatly appreciate mail from anyone who
    would like to discuss this proposal and do some tests and setup the
    network. I would also like to note that I am not making myself the
    network king or anything, I just want to start the discussion.


    I am sorry for the spam I have caused. But spam is something that is
    useless, and this is not spam. I have contradicted myself there, sorry.
    I just felt that this is a matter of emergency. I don't want to resort
    to terrible centralized web forums, I love Usenet, even for the 2 days I
    have been using it but I could not come to terms with and accept the spam.


    Sincerely,
    Tristan B. Kildaire (Deavmi)

    So according to a Usenet user my approach of the walled garden is bad.
    Well, at least I started a discussion. I'd like suggestions then on how
    we could make this network but still be strict but open? D you see what
    I mean?
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  • From Tristan B. Kildaire@1:227/201 to Richard Menedetter on Sun Nov 20 20:37:34 2016
    On 2016-11-20 07:54 PM, Richard Menedetter wrote:
    Hi Tristan!

    20 Nov 2016 18:44, from Tristan B. Kildaire -> DOVE-Net.Internet,AGN_BBS,FIDO.INT:

    I want an NNTP network and I know many others do as well,

    Well ... something like that exists, it is called fidonet and is not
    massively
    popular in recent times.

    I think that the existing NNTP protocol allows you to do what you want.
    I just very much doubt that you will be able to interest enough people to participate.

    Good luck!

    CU, Ricsi

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    I think that the existing NNTP protocol allows you to do what you want.
    I just very much doubt that you will be able to interest enough people to participate.

    I agree. But atleast I started a thoughtful discussion.
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  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Tristan B. Kildaire on Sun Nov 20 20:37:42 2016
    Hi Tristan!

    20 Nov 2016 20:37, from Tristan B. Kildaire -> Richard Menedetter:

    I agree. But atleast I started a thoughtful discussion.

    I would VERY surprised if it would not die very soon without any palpable outcome.

    Let's see.

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Deavmi@1:227/201 to Richard Menedetter on Mon Nov 21 05:14:42 2016
    Hi Tristan!

    20 Nov 2016 20:37, from Tristan B. Kildaire -> Richard Menedetter:

    I agree. But atleast I started a thoughtful discussion.

    I would VERY surprised if it would not die very soon without any palpable >outcome.

    Let's see.

    CU, Ricsi

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    True as well. This post will fall into the whole of retention. But hey, I posted it onto Usenet and the other news servers would have gotten it by now so
    maybe someone will find it.
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Deavmi on Mon Nov 21 20:24:06 2016

    21 Nov 16 05:14, you wrote to Richard Menedetter:

    Hi Tristan!

    20 Nov 2016 20:37, from Tristan B. Kildaire -> Richard Menedetter:

    I agree. But atleast I started a thoughtful discussion.

    I would VERY surprised if it would not die very soon without any palpable
    outcome.

    Let's see.

    CU, Ricsi

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    True as well. This post will fall into the whole of retention. But hey, I posted it onto Usenet and the other news servers would have gotten it by now so maybe someone will find it.

    1. real names in fidonet, please... contact your sysop for fixing this...

    2. INTERNET is a fidonet echo... it is not and should not be available outside of fidonet...

    3. i've mentioned before for you to please use proper netiquette and trim irrelevent crap from your posts... at least you are not top posting which is even worse ;)

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  • From Deavmi@1:227/201 to mark lewis on Mon Nov 21 23:51:07 2016

    21 Nov 16 05:14, you wrote to Richard Menedetter:

    Hi Tristan!

    20 Nov 2016 20:37, from Tristan B. Kildaire -> Richard Menedetter:

    I agree. But atleast I started a thoughtful discussion.

    I would VERY surprised if it would not die very soon without any palpable >> outcome.

    Let's see.

    CU, Ricsi

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    True as well. This post will fall into the whole of retention. But hey, I posted it onto Usenet and the other news servers would have gotten it by now so maybe someone will find it.

    1. real names in fidonet, please... contact your sysop for fixing this...

    2. INTERNET is a fidonet echo... it is not and should not be available outside

    of fidonet...

    3. i've mentioned before for you to please use proper netiquette and trim >irrelevent crap from your posts... at least you are not top posting which is >even worse ;)

    )\/(ark
    a moderator, INTERNET

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    wrong...
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    What is top-posting?
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  • From Richard Miles@1:3634/24 to mark lewis on Tue Nov 22 07:50:00 2016
    On 11/21/16, mark lewis said the following...

    2. INTERNET is a fidonet echo... it is not and should not be available outside of fidonet...


    I think he meant he had posted his idea in some newsgroups, rather than this echo. I've seen and responded to a couple of his messages in at least one of the alt.bbs.* groups

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Deavmi on Tue Nov 22 20:21:54 2016

    21 Nov 16 23:51, you wrote to me:

    What is top-posting?

    1. uncle google is your friend...

    2. did you notice what i did for this reply to be clean and free of extraneous and irrelevant crap quoting?

    3. please also contact you sysop to correct your name in messages posted to this real names echo.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Richard Miles on Tue Nov 22 20:18:50 2016

    22 Nov 16 07:50, you wrote to me:

    2. INTERNET is a fidonet echo... it is not and should not be available
    outside of fidonet...

    I think he meant he had posted his idea in some newsgroups, rather
    than this echo. I've seen and responded to a couple of his messages in
    at least one of the alt.bbs.* groups

    i understand that and fully understand and agree with the comments he has received about his idea... sad to say but while it does have merit, it is highly unlikely that others will take up the flag for it...

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