• memorize vs open book tests?

    From Roy Witt@1:10/22 to Tom Walker on Sun Sep 24 07:55:05 2000
    Hello Tom.

    19 Sep 00 07:13, you wrote to Joe Delahaye:


    But the point is, that kids have been doing that for years in school
    in any case.

    NOW you have brought up something that is a Real Problem. We Gripe
    about Kids not knowing anthing but cannot seee the Reason. Ham Test
    or School Tests, Mindless Memorization is doing us much good.

    Hmmm. Mindless? If questions and the right answers are memorized,
    wouldn't that be a good thing? Afterall, knowing the right answer to a question can't be all that bad.


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  • From Ron Wiesen@1:374/73 to Roy Witt on Wed Nov 15 12:05:26 2000
    To merely memorize an answer to a question has little worth. To understand a topic so that the answer to ANY question can be obtained has a lot of worth.

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  • From Roy Witt@1:10/22 to Ron Wiesen on Thu Nov 16 09:01:12 2000
    Hello Ron.

    15 Nov 00 20:05, you wrote to me:

    To merely memorize an answer to a question has little worth. To understand a topic so that the answer to ANY question can be obtained
    has a lot of worth.

    OTH, memorizing the answer to a question has more worth than not knowing
    the answer at all. Even in the long run, the memorizing of anything pays
    off with not having to look it up at some later date. That's why the
    teacher made you memorize the 'times' table when you were learning to
    multiply.




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  • From Bob Nocero@1:363/182 to Roy Witt on Sat Nov 18 07:01:00 2000
    OTH, memorizing the answer to a question has more worth than not knowing
    the answer at all. Even in the long run, the memorizing of anything
    pays
    off with not having to look it up at some later date. That's why the teacher made you memorize the 'times' table when you were learning to multiply.

    By memorizing the answer, you may get it correct on the test, but to understand
    WHY that is the correct answer has more merit.

    Bob

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  • From Roy Witt@1:10/22 to Bob Nocero on Sun Nov 19 08:27:43 2000
    Hello Bob.

    18 Nov 00 15:01, you wrote to me:


    OTH, memorizing the answer to a question has more worth than not
    knowing the answer at all. Even in the long run, the memorizing of
    anything pays off with not having to look it up at some later date.
    That's why the teacher made you memorize the 'times' table when you
    were learning to multiply.

    By memorizing the answer, you may get it correct on the test, but to understand WHY that is the correct answer has more merit.

    'Round and 'round we go. By memorizing the answer, one will know the
    answer to it on the test and one will know the answer to that question
    if and when it ever comes up again. Knowing and memorizing the answer to
    a question, automatically gives one an insight into HOW the answer is
    applied to that question. Knowing the question and how the answer is
    applied gives one an insight as to WHY that is the right answer and can
    be studied further, at a later date.



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  • From Bob Nocero@1:363/182 to Roy Witt on Mon Nov 20 05:57:00 2000
    By memorizing the answer, you may get it correct on the test, but to understand WHY that is the correct answer has more merit.

    'Round and 'round we go. By memorizing the answer, one will know the
    answer to it on the test and one will know the answer to that question
    if and when it ever comes up again. Knowing and memorizing the answer
    to
    a question, automatically gives one an insight into HOW the answer is applied to that question. Knowing the question and how the answer is applied gives one an insight as to WHY that is the right answer and can
    be studied further, at a later date.

    Well, I guess I can see both sides. I studied the book for my novice/tech, general and advanced tickets, but only studied the question pool for my extra. The reason I did that on my extra is because the only book available at the time was just the question pool with short explainations after each question. However, one does have to study for the code requirement. No question pool available there.

    To summarize, what ever you feel comfortable with is fine. No one but you can tell you how to study any different than what suits your needs and what makes you learn. By the way, which exam are you currently studying for?

    Bob
    W4KBW

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  • From Roy Witt@1:10/22 to Bob Nocero on Tue Nov 21 10:00:17 2000
    Hello Bob.

    20 Nov 00 13:57, you wrote to me:


    By memorizing the answer, you may get it correct on the test, but
    to understand WHY that is the correct answer has more merit.

    'Round and 'round we go. By memorizing the answer, one will know the
    answer to it on the test and one will know the answer to that question
    if and when it ever comes up again. Knowing and memorizing the answer
    to
    a question, automatically gives one an insight into HOW the answer is
    applied to that question. Knowing the question and how the answer is
    applied gives one an insight as to WHY that is the right answer and
    can be studied further, at a later date.

    Well, I guess I can see both sides. I studied the book for my novice/tech, general and advanced tickets, but only studied the
    question pool for my extra.

    Same here, but they switched from tube theory to transistor theory
    between the time I took my first advanced test (missed one more than
    allowed) and the next one 30 days later, so I missed the advanced exam
    twice before passing it.

    The reason I did that on my extra is because the only book available
    at the time was just the question pool with short explainations after
    each question. However, one does have to study for the code
    requirement. No question pool available there.

    And nothing is really required these days with the code tests down to 5 & 10wpm..

    To summarize, what ever you feel comfortable with is fine. No one
    but you can tell you how to study any different than what suits your
    needs and what makes you learn. By the way, which exam are you
    currently studying for?

    None...I don't see any incentive to study for the Extra, as the only thing
    you get with that license is extra CW band space. And I have only used
    voice since I got my general ticket. When they were still issuing 1x2
    calls, that was a slight incentive, but the 20wpm wasn't.


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  • From Sean Dennis@1:115/776 to Roy Witt on Thu Nov 23 01:47:36 2000
    Hello Roy.

    19 Nov 00 16:27, you wrote to Bob Nocero:

    'Round and 'round we go. By memorizing the answer, one will know the answer to it on the test and one will know the answer to that question
    if and when it ever comes up again. Knowing and memorizing the answer
    to a question, automatically gives one an insight into HOW the answer
    is applied to that question. Knowing the question and how the answer
    is applied gives one an insight as to WHY that is the right answer and
    can be studied further, at a later date.

    ... and that's how I learned. I learned the answers, yes, but that also instilled in me a want to learn more. I am slowly absorbing more knowledge and
    learning Morse code too... right now, I've not a lot of time for learning, but when I do, I really enjoy it. I'd like to get my General class license by my birthday this next year (27 August).


    73 DE KD5COL,
    Sean

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  • From Bob Nocero@1:363/182 to Roy Witt on Thu Nov 23 03:19:00 2000
    needs and what makes you learn. By the way, which exam are you currently studying for?

    None...I don't see any incentive to study for the Extra, as the only
    thing
    you get with that license is extra CW band space. And I have only used
    voice since I got my general ticket. When they were still issuing 1x2 calls, that was a slight incentive, but the 20wpm wasn't.

    You still get more phone band too. I really don't use it tho. I went to Extra
    because I passed the 20wpm test when going for my general. Couldn't let that pass me by!

    Bob

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