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  • Turning Fidonet into a democracy? Never gonna happen.

    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Alexey Vissarionov on Mon Mar 7 12:03:47 2022
    In general, the votes should have a weight based on both region size and the sysops' opinions distribution (aggregated by RC).

    Are you seriously trying to advocate true democracy into an entirely technical entity?

    Please don't confuse the network (like the internet) with the social media echomail/netmail (like the World Wide Web).

    Can you even imagine what the internet would look like today, if the politicians had been in charge (with all their "donations" from the media corporations)?

    Aren't you even a wee bit thankful for what the Swedish Pirate Bay still today gives you access to, when you cannot find that favourite movie/TV-show of yours, even with all your paid for subscriptions of Amazon, Youtube et al pay-per view?

    Information wants to be free. Old Swedish saying. It most of all includes our cultural inheritance. Don't fucking try to make money of it, we will fight you to the death if needed.

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Björn Felten on Wed Mar 9 08:40:00 2022
    Good ${greeting_time}, Björn!

    07 Mar 2022 12:03:46, you wrote to me:

    In general, the votes should have a weight based on both region
    size and the sysops' opinions distribution (aggregated by RC).
    Are you seriously trying to advocate true democracy into an
    entirely technical entity?

    No: I'm trying to find some working procedure for letting competent people in FTSC (well, that's not a problem when they are ready to serve) while keeping incompetent people away (and this is almost impossible with current procedure).

    Please don't confuse the network (like the internet) with the social
    media echomail/netmail (like the World Wide Web).

    You may be surprized, but the internet is not a network - it consists of many segments (called autonomous systems, AS) being run by different operators.

    Can you even imagine what the internet would look like today, if the politicians had been in charge (with all their "donations" from the
    media corporations)?

    Imagine? Just look at it...

    Aren't you even a wee bit thankful for what the Swedish Pirate Bay
    still today gives you access to, when you cannot find that favourite movie/TV-show of yours, even with all your paid for subscriptions of Amazon, Youtube et al pay-per view?

    You definitely will be surprized, but I never needed to use it... We have torrents.ru aka rutracker.org for years :-)

    Also, I've never paid and, hopefully, never will pay for the information presented in any digital form. If someone would like to get some money for digital information from me, they will get it in a digital form as well: http://pics.rsh.ru/img/100_rub_2butzf0i.png (yes, you've just got it - but unlike the real banknote, it can't be spent for 13.8 meters^3 of gas, or 16.9 kW*h of electrical energy, or a bottle of beer, or whatever).

    Information wants to be free. Old Swedish saying. It most of all
    includes our cultural inheritance. Don't fucking try to make money
    of it, we will fight you to the death if needed.

    Eghm... Unable to parse this.


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  • From John Dovey@4:920/69 to Alexey Vissarionov on Thu Mar 10 09:20:23 2022
    Re: Turning Fidonet into a democracy? Never gonna happen.
    By: Alexey Vissarionov to Björn Felten on Wed Mar 09 2022 08:40:00

    Can you even imagine what the internet would look like today, if the
    politicians had been in charge (with all their "donations" from the
    media corporations)?

    I would compare apples with apples. For example the ISO, ITU, WW3C, or maybe more pertinitely, the RFC procedure of the IETF... Technical committees, elected by stakeholders making decions on technical issues. Is it perfect? Of course not. Does (did) it work? QED...

    JD

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