• what best for low power use the rpi or eles

    From Ultra Magnus@21:1/210 to All on Tue Feb 6 11:53:21 2024
    I'm making this post to ask, if the power bill go through the roof and you have a
    to scale down your set up but you still have to use the internet for work [and BBS of course]
    what would you use between a raspberry pi 5 and any small factor computer [exemple a intel nuc]
    I
    I'm asking because here in france the power bills are starting to go through the roof
    and it's not going to stop anytime soon
    S

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Ultra Magnus on Wed Feb 7 11:55:23 2024
    On 06 Feb 2024 at 11:53a, Ultra Magnus pondered and said...

    I'm asking because here in france the power bills are starting to go through the roof
    and it's not going to stop anytime soon

    I'm looking to migrate some services off larger tower gear I run and hope to move things to a Pi4 in the coming weeks.

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  • From Vorlon@21:1/195 to Avon on Wed Feb 7 11:02:48 2024

    Hello Avon!

    07 Feb 24 11:55, you wrote to Ultra Magnus:

    I'm asking because here in france the power bills are starting to
    go through the roof and it's not going to stop anytime soon

    I'm looking to migrate some services off larger tower gear I run and
    hope to move things to a Pi4 in the coming weeks.

    Proxmox.... Nothing less, nothing more....



    Vorlon


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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Ultra Magnus on Tue Feb 6 17:23:50 2024
    I'm making this post to ask, if the power bill go through the roof and
    you have a to scale down your set up but you still have to use the UM> internet for work [and BBS of course] what would you use between a UM> raspberry pi 5 and any small factor computer [exemple a intel nuc]
    I'm asking because here in france the power bills are starting to go through the roof and it's not going to stop anytime soon

    So I'm in the U.S., and I've heard that some other countries electricity is much more expensive but... here, I would worry about EITHER one of those setups at all... the Pi will probably sip less juice, but even if both above machines are on 24/7 I wouldn't notice any increase at all!! If you turn them off while not in use, even more so...

    That being said, I don't 'notice' running some 5 Raspberry Pi's, 2 1U servers, an iMac and around 2-5 other laptops... and a house full of electronics - so I might use more power than most??? :P



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Ultra Magnus on Wed Feb 7 08:57:21 2024
    I'm making this post to ask, if the power bill go through the roof and
    you have a
    to scale down your set up but you still have to use the internet for
    work [and BBS of course]
    what would you use between a raspberry pi 5 and any small factor
    computer [exemple a intel nuc]

    I am running this BBS on a Pi 2 and it runs quite well. I am calling
    into it using an UP Board sbc which also works quite well. As it has an
    intel chip, it is in a different price range than the pi.

    I also have a galileo sbc (intel) that I was able to get really cheap. Unfortunately, it does not even have enough resources to recompile a
    kernel so I could not do too much with it, but it does function well as a network print server.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Ultra Magnus on Wed Feb 7 06:25:00 2024
    Ultra Magnus wrote to All <=-

    I'm making this post to ask, if the power bill go through the roof and
    you have a to scale down your set up but you still have to use the internet for work [and BBS of course] what would you use between a raspberry pi 5 and any small factor computer [exemple a intel nuc] I
    I'm asking because here in france the power bills are starting to go through the roof and it's not going to stop anytime soon


    I think it depends on the load you're running and how you're using it.
    Are you talking about using either as a desktop, or running a homelab? I
    tried using a Raspberry Pi 3 and 4 as a desktop, neither were very good.
    I hear Pi 5s are coming closer, but for a primary desktop, I'd prefer a
    system running on a lower-power Intel chip.

    Pis do make handy homelab servers, if you're looking to run a server and
    need a low-power system. It should be able to handle a file share,
    PiHole, even some containers.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Feb 8 08:24:03 2024
    I
    tried using a Raspberry Pi 3 and 4 as a desktop, neither were very
    good.

    I have a Pi 3 that I use for some desktop activities. It is really good
    with programs that don't eat up a lot of resources, like claws mail and gnumeric. However, it has a lot of difficulty with a modern web browser
    (vs. most "modern" sites that are loaded up with crap), and with video streaming (from YT) or playback with vlc.

    You watch those videos of people reviewing some of these sbcs on YT and
    you really wonder how on earth they got the results they did. My
    experience is that most of them do not perform near as well in my
    real-life.

    The Pi 2 I have quickly lost xwindows. It works a lot better as a cli
    only machine.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Blue White on Thu Feb 8 06:46:00 2024
    Blue White wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I have a Pi 3 that I use for some desktop activities. It is really
    good with programs that don't eat up a lot of resources, like claws
    mail and gnumeric. However, it has a lot of difficulty with a modern
    web browser (vs. most "modern" sites that are loaded up with crap), and with video streaming (from YT) or playback with vlc.

    You watch those videos of people reviewing some of these sbcs on YT and you really wonder how on earth they got the results they did. My experience is that most of them do not perform near as well in my real-life.

    Yeah, I tried using a Pi 3 as a streaming audio box, running Chrome and
    streaming Pandora and Spotify. It was painful. A Pi 4 was a little
    better. I settled on an old core 2 duo box I had laying around, and
    that works well. I keep it turned off when not in use, so power isn't
    an issue.




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  • From N2QFD@21:1/154 to Ultra Magnus on Wed Feb 7 09:46:24 2024
    Hi,
    Just from my experience here I've not tried to use the Pi's for a proper desktop environment. I've read they will get you by but just lack in that regard. Here I use them for their low power consumption but dedicated to single tasks. My BBS is on a Pi3B+ another is driving my Pi-Star Ham radio hot spot. So it's handling smiplex radio transmittion and encode/decode of VoIP data to/from the Brandmeister network for DMR radio neatly. I have a Banana Pi, they are billed as clones but really are just work-a-like machines with different BIOS routines that kept me from using them to drive some projects but again make a good server unit for the household. The daily driver here is actually an old minitower An HP 8300 ultra small slim business computer with Linux Mint. That utilizes an external power supply like a notebook but this is not running 24/7 like the RPi/BPi units.
    So, hopefully that lends to the pool of decision making for you.
    Hope you find something that works for you.

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  • From Ultra Magnus@21:1/210 to N2QFD on Sun Feb 11 04:31:51 2024
    thanks for the information since I currently run a pi 3b+ with telnet but I
    got I three pi 5 coming so I will be able to relocate the pi 3b+ for low
    power home server system

    but I see your point and I will take it in account when restructuring my network for a better power management

    thanks for the info and best regards
    Ultra Magnus

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  • From Ultra Magnus@21:1/210 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Feb 11 04:36:28 2024
    hello Fortran

    this is an interesting point of view can you elaborate on the matter please ? not in to much detail of course

    thanks in advance for the information
    best regars
    Ultra Magnus

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  • From Ultra Magnus@21:1/210 to paulie420 on Sun Feb 11 04:53:32 2024
    thanks paulie for the reply

    please note that here since EDF [électricité de france] when into the market the cost of electricity was calculated differently that it was in 2016
    So I'm in the U.S., and I've heard that some other countries electricity is much more expensive but... here, I would worry about EITHER one of those setups at all... the Pi will probably sip less juice, but even if both above machines are on 24/7 I wouldn't notice any increase at all!!
    If you turn them off while not in use, even more so./

    so yes running a computer h24 like my main pc can start to cost a bit of
    money that why that I research new way to do my work on less power hungry machine like the pi [and/or the clone of the pi] or the small factor pc like the nuc S

    thanks for the reply and I see you later maybe on the MRC

    best regards Ultra Magnus

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  • From Ultra Magnus@21:1/210 to Avon on Sun Feb 11 04:55:55 2024
    I'm looking to migrate some services off larger tower gear I run and
    hope to move things to a Pi4 in the coming weeks.

    interesting please let me know of your adventure in the realms of migration
    to the pi

    best chance's
    Ultra Magnus

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  • From Ultra Magnus@21:1/210 to Blue White on Sun Feb 11 05:11:49 2024
    I also have a galileo sbc (intel) that I was able to get really cheap. Unfortunately, it does not even have enough resources to recompile a kernel so I could not do too much with it, but it does function well as a network print server.

    that unfortunate that your galileo can't recompile a kernel but if you can
    do other type of work like said a network print server that great
    I am running this BBS on a Pi 2 and it runs quite well. I am calling
    into it using an UP Board sbc which also works quite well. As it has an intel chip, it is in a different price range than the pi.
    you manage to find a bbs software that can run with no overloading your pi 2 i'm curious what king of bbs software you are using

    either way I give mu best regards

    Ultra Magnus/

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Ultra Magnus on Sun Feb 11 08:53:29 2024
    you manage to find a bbs software that can run with no overloading
    your pi 2
    i'm curious what king of bbs software you are using

    Yes. I am currently running Talisman BBS on the pi without issue. Note
    that I am *not* running X windows on that machine. I am running the BBS,
    and binkd, via the command line.

    If I were running X windows on the pi2, I am sure it would be overloaded
    even without the BBS.



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  • From Ultra Magnus@21:1/210 to Blue White on Sun Feb 11 13:35:04 2024
    Yes. I am currently running Talisman BBS on the pi without issue. Note that I am *not* running X windows on that machine. I am running the BBS, and binkd, via the command line.

    If I were running X windows on the pi2, I am sure it would be overloaded even without the BBS.

    I see, that neet but how did you manage to make talisman bbs quope with linux because if I'm not mistaken talisman bbs do not have a linux version as far that I know of

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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to Ultra Magnus on Mon Feb 12 12:00:20 2024
    Hi Ultra Magnus,

    Yes. I am currently running Talisman BBS on the pi without
    issue. Note

    I see, that neet but how did you manage to make talisman bbs quope
    with linux because if I'm not mistaken talisman bbs do not have a linux version as far that I know of

    Talisman is very much Lunix compatable, and compiles from source code
    without issued...

    Apam has done a great job at making it work on non x86 archs.

    This install is running on a Amiga 3000, with Debian Linux M68k.


    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen

    Rocking Amiga 3000 powerd, Linux M68K.



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Ultra Magnus on Mon Feb 12 07:56:29 2024
    Yes. I am currently running Talisman BBS on the pi without
    issue. Note
    that I am *not* running X windows on that machine. I am running

    I see, that neet but how did you manage to make talisman bbs quope
    with linux
    because if I'm not mistaken talisman bbs do not have a linux version
    as far
    that I know of

    It has a linux version. You do need to compile it.

    talismanbbs.com



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  • From j0HNNY a1PHA@21:4/158 to vorlon on Wed Feb 14 19:19:17 2024
    I see, that neet but how did you manage to make talisman bbs quope
    with linux because if I'm not mistaken talisman bbs do not have a
    linux
    version as far that I know of

    Talisman is very much Lunix compatable, and compiles from source code without issued...


    This install is running on a Amiga 3000, with Debian Linux M68k.

    Really?? Awesome. I know it'll run on Haiku as well. Running Talisman on
    my headless linux via proxmox myself.


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  • From vorlon@21:1/195.1 to j0HNNY a1PHA on Fri Feb 16 13:36:08 2024
    Hi J0HNNY a1PHA,

    This install is running on a Amiga 3000, with Debian Linux M68k.

    Really?? Awesome. I know it'll run on Haiku as well. Running Talisman
    on my headless linux via proxmox myself.

    Yes really! It's not in anyway a speed deamon (68040@40mhz and only 128mb
    of ram), but it works.

    Why you may ask.. Cause I could and wanted to see if it would work.. ^-)


    \/orlon
    aka
    Stephen

    Rocking Amiga 3000 powerd, Linux M68K.



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