paulie420 wrote to All <=-
Ford and Volvo are already implementing these 'features' in 2o24. Their steering wheels will automatically detect the BAC of drivers; ok, that sounds smart, right???? Errrhmmmm... maybe not so much. Volvo will also detect alchohol content in the AIR of their customers vehicles - wait, this is starting to feel a little weird, right???
The vehicles will turn off, or otherwise incapacitate the driver
from... driving. What if yer camping; all people present have been drinking, but theres an emergency that requires driving?
Whats the bar? Where does it stop? The auto manufacturers say they'll implement interior cameras in vehicles... will these be detecting 'suspicious' activity? Where does the data go?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
paulie420 wrote to All <=-
Ford and Volvo are already implementing these 'features' in 2o24. Their steering wheels will automatically detect the BAC of drivers; ok, that sounds smart, right???? Errrhmmmm... maybe not so much. Volvo will also detect alchohol content in the AIR of their customers vehicles - wait, this is starting to feel a little weird, right???
sounds smart, right???? Errrhmmmm... maybe not so much. Volvo will also
detect alchohol content in the AIR of their customers vehicles - wait,
this is starting to feel a little weird, right???
I'd be leery of the air detection model - the idea we're shooting for is that a sober driver transports a car full of drunk people, right?
Been reading the posts about screens in vehicles vs physical buttons, and sa
Whats the bar? Where does it stop? The auto manufacturers say they'll implement interior cameras in vehicles... will these be detecting 'suspicious' activity? Where does the data go?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That is a big question. Maybe Ford and Volvo have decided that Apple and Google should not be having all the fun when it comes to spying on their users. Big brother is watching. <angry face>
Ford and Volvo are already implementing these 'features' in 2o24. The steering wheels will automatically detect the BAC of drivers; ok, tha sounds smart, right???? Errrhmmmm... maybe not so much. Volvo will al detect alchohol content in the AIR of their customers vehicles - wait this is starting to feel a little weird, right???
I'd be leery of the air detection model - the idea we're shooting for is that a sober driver transports a car full of drunk people, right?
Possibly... what if yer on your property of 100 acres, been drinking heavily and your wife has a heart attack - you have to get them to the edge of your gated property to meet the ambulance. Or, a myriad of other scenarios. This, also, doesn't account for the data collection side of things and where that data is being collected and whom has access to it
- it all just stinks to hell.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to paulie420 <=-
paulie420 wrote to All <=-
Ford and Volvo are already implementing these 'features' in 2o24. Their steering wheels will automatically detect the BAC of drivers; ok, that sounds smart, right???? Errrhmmmm... maybe not so much. Volvo will also detect alchohol content in the AIR of their customers vehicles - wait, this is starting to feel a little weird, right???
I'd be leery of the air detection model - the idea we're shooting for
is that a sober driver transports a car full of drunk people, right?
fusion wrote to paulie420 <=-
On 03 Jun 2023, paulie420 said the following...
Possibly... what if yer on your property of 100 acres, been drinking heavily and your wife has a heart attack - you have to get them to the edge of your gated property to meet the ambulance. Or, a myriad of other scenarios. This, also, doesn't account for the data collection side of things and where that data is being collected and whom has access to it
- it all just stinks to hell.
indeed on private property you can drink and drive without a
license in an unregistered car if you want.
Ford and Volvo are already implementing these 'features' in 2o24. Their steering wheels will automatically detect the BAC of drivers; ok, that
I'd be leery of the air detection model - the idea we're shooting for
is that a sober driver transports a car full of drunk people, right?
That wouldn't bode well for taxi drivers in the business of
transporting drunks around.
Arelor wrote to paulie420 <=-
On the other hand, you can argue that is what they want since they want you not to have a car anymore.
Possibly... what if yer on your property of 100 acres, been
drinking heavily and your wife has a heart attack - you have to get
them to the edge of your gated property to meet the ambulance. Or,
a myriad of other scenarios. This, also, doesn't account for the
data collection side of things and where that data is being
collected and whom has access to it - it all just stinks to hell.
indeed on private property you can drink and drive without a license in an u
though i think at that point, given it'd likely be pretty rural and you'd wa
Something I had forgotten (maybe because I was still pretty young and
we didn't have new cars) was that back in the 1970's/early '80's when they were pushing seat belts, there were cars that had some automated gizmos to quasi-force drivers to use their belts.
I do remember the ones that auto retracted when you opened and closed
the front doors. What I did not remember, or know, is that some of
indeed on private property you can drink and drive without a license in
an unregistered car if you want.
though i think at that point, given it'd likely be pretty rural and
you'd want to go for the country boy theme, you might not buy a modern
car for blasting around corners flinging mud ;)
While looking up articles about the alcohol detection, I read a
couple of articles that mentioned that these seat belt detector
schemes were failure-prone and lead to a lot of stranded drivers.
Car companies supposedly want to avoid a repeat of the seat belt
detector fiasco.
Blue White wrote to paulie420 <=-
Something I had forgotten (maybe because I was still pretty young and
we didn't have new cars) was that back in the 1970's/early '80's when
they were pushing seat belts, there were cars that had some automated gizmos to quasi-force drivers to use their belts.
I do remember the ones that auto retracted when you opened and closed
the front doors. What I did not remember, or know, is that some of
the cars would not start if they sensed that the driver was in the
car but not belted in.
I remember how the retracting ones were a bother enough if you were
simply trying move the car in and out of a garage, but I can't
imagine what it would have been like to have one tied to the ignition
just so you could start it while, say working on it.
Arelor wrote to fusion <=-
Re: Re: 2026 Infrastructure Bill in US; self-driving+
By: fusion to paulie420 on Sat Jun 03 2023 11:41 am
"I have been thinking of getting a bike or an old car for moving
around, but I have been thinking... do you know anybody who has a horse for sale?"
Some cars did that even into the early 90s. I briefly had a 1993 Volkswagen Corrado that had those motorized seatbelts in the front when you opened & closedI knew so many guys that cut off those seatbelts, including me. My thinking was.. I did not want to be trapped in a burning car.
the doors (but you'd still have to clip in the bottom part).
I hadn't heard of that, but they did have an annoying BONG to remind
you of a detached seatbelt, just like any other car of the time.
You can "drive" a horse drunk...
Someone mentioned a thing in the south - seeing a dive bar with mopeds parked around the back. Apparently, good ol' boys who've had one too
many DUI convictions and get their license taken away sometimes resort
to mopeds, since they don't require a license to operate - so you'd see mopeds lined up outside the bar they got their DUIs at earlier.
Re: RE: 2026 Infrastructure Bill in US; self-driving+
By: Nightfox to Blue White on Sun Jun 04 2023 06:11 pm
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the doors (but you'd still have to clip in the bottom part).
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Hustler wrote to Nightfox <=-
I knew so many guys that cut off those seatbelts, including me. My thinking was.. I did not want to be trapped in a burning car.
paulie420 wrote to Blue White <=-
Exactamundo... I'm worried that the automakers, aside from the infrastructure bill BAC requirements, are making cars that are less
YOURS and more theirs so long as you pay...
Elon Musk said the quiet part out loud. People will lease cars in the future, upgrades will be tied to lease costs, and it'll be easier to
exact controls since they own the cars.
We have had self-driving vehicles for so long yet nobody was losing his mind about them until the microchip variant arrived.
I've never really wanted to lease a car, as it seems like a waste to continually pay for something.. As expensive as a car could be, I'd rather buy it and own it and not have a car payment (at least when I finish paying the loan, if I get a loan). I think the fewer bills you owe, the better off your are financially.
I've never really wanted to lease a car, as it seems like a waste to
continually pay for something.. As expensive as a car could be, I'd
Agreed, wholeheartedly, and yet the amount of subscriptions I have to things is much higher than it was not terribly long ago.
Though I guess there's a difference between paying for servers, magazines, supporting creators, streaming services, etc. than half-buying a car.
We have had self-driving vehicles for so long yet nobody was losing his mind about them until the microchip variant arrived.
Though I guess there's a difference between paying for servers, magaz supporting creators, streaming services, etc. than half-buying a car.
Yeah, I think subscribing makes more sense in some cases, but personally I'd rather buy my car rather than to keep paying to borrow a car.
I've never really wanted to lease a car, as it seems like a waste to continu nk the fewer bills you owe, the better off your are financially.
We have had self-driving vehicles for so long yet nobody was losing his mind about them until the microchip variant arrived.
How do you define 'so long'? I only first started hearing about self-drivin -driving cars sometimes crashing due to errors & things. And I personally d
I don't like the renting/leasing system, but given the uncertainity involving vehicles in Spain, many people is opting to rent instead of purchase.
If the government suddenly decides to make your vehicle fleet illegal for the tasks you bought them for, you are screwed. If the vehicle fleet
We have had self-driving vehicles for so long yet nobody was
losing his mind about them until the microchip variant arrived.
How do you define 'so long'? I only first started hearing about
self-drivin -driving cars sometimes crashing due to errors & things.
And I personally d
"So long" would be an estimate of 5500 years.
"Domestication of the horse most likely took place in central Asia prior to 3500 BC. [...] The most recent, but most irrefutable evidence of domestication comes from sites where horse remains were interred with chariots in graves of the Sintashta and Petrovka cultures c. 2100 BC.
..but given the uncertainity
involving vehicles in Spain, many people is opting to rent instead of purchase.
I've never really wanted to lease a car, as it seems like a waste to
continually pay for something.. As expensive as a car could be, I'd
rather buy it and own it and not have a car payment (at least when I
finish paying the loan, if I get a loan). I think the fewer bills you
owe, the better off your are financially.
Agreed, wholeheartedly, and yet the amount of subscriptions I have to things is much higher than it was not terribly long ago.
I've never really wanted to lease a car, as it seems like a waste to continually pay for something.. As expensive as a car could be, I'd
rather buy it and own it and not have a car payment (at least when I
finish paying the loan, if I get a loan). I think the fewer bills you
owe, the better off your are financially.
Re: Re: 2026 Infrastructure Bill in US; self-driving+
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Wed Jun 07 2023 02:48 pm
I don't like the renting/leasing system, but given the uncertainity involving vehicles in Spain, many people is opting to rent instead of purchase.
If the government suddenly decides to make your vehicle fleet illegal f the tasks you bought them for, you are screwed. If the vehicle fleet
I'd think the only times you'd have to worry about a "fleet" of vehicles is
Nightfox
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Self-driving cars haven't been around for 5500 years...? Cars as we know th
WHAT is the "the uncertainty" of vehicles in Spain all about?
Leasing could make better sense if you are contractor or
operating a business. The monthly cost is a deductable expense
(meaning, less taxable income) and the taxes paid on that
qualify as a credit/rebate. With a lesser taxable income, you
are reducing the taxes owing to the gov't. So, with a lease,
you are basically paying yourself for the luxury of driving a
new car for a few years.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Blue White <=-
I hadn't heard of that, but they did have an annoying BONG to remind
you of a detached seatbelt, just like any other car of the time.
The idea of companies using leases and subscription models to suck more and more money and control out of the end user always scared me. I'm committed to buying older used cars to avoid it.
Agreed, wholeheartedly, and yet the amount of subscriptions I have to things is much higher than it was not terribly long ago.
Though I guess there's a difference between paying for servers,
magazines, supporting creators, streaming services, etc. than
half-buying a car.
My wife and I lease our main car. The reason is because we enjoy getting a n
Re: Re: 2026 Infrastructure Bill in US; self-driving+
By: esc to Ogg on Wed Jun 07 2023 05:14 pm
My wife and I lease our main car. The reason is because we enjoy getting a n
I personally consider switching cars every three years a waste of natural resources. It is the dark side of consummism at its uglier.
I personally consider switching cars every three years a waste of natural resources. It is the dark side of consummism at its uglier.
Someone (like me) will happily buy that lease return for pennies on the dollar and
--
...So, with a lease, you are basically paying yourself
for the luxury of driving a new car for a few years.
My wife and I lease our main car. The reason is because we
enjoy getting a new car every three years with zero hassle,
and we don't have to pay for any maintenance.
Yes, it's a money pit, but it's not much different from the
total cost of ownership over a period of time anyway,
particularly with how expensive maintenance can be.
WHAT is the "the uncertainty" of vehicles in Spain all about?
There is political preasure enough that people is worried
tolls will make vehicles impractical. There are lots of
talk about tolls for entering and going out of towns, tolls
in public roads and highways, that sort of thing. ...
There is also a lot of talk about creating restricted
traffic zones in which only new cars are allowed. The issue
is if you buy a car today they may modify the restrictions
in the near future so you won't be able to drive it to the
places you want to drive through.
Nobody can afford vehicles that are future-proof beyond a
select wealthy few. The end goal for politicians is to have
all the light vehicles be electric, but right now virtually
nobody can afford those. Heck, a number of people is having
trouble getting food and diapers for their family already.
The will for taking risks buying something expensive they
may ban is at an historical minimum.
I personally consider switching cars every three years a waste of natural resources. It is the dark side of consummism at its uglier.
Thanks for the feedback. Turns out the dealership has no problem selling a 3
new a few years later. For some, making the arrangements for
the selling of old is a hassle. It would be for me.
Someone (like me) will happily buy that lease return for
pennies on the dollar and --
Sure, but that does not erase the fact that somebody else
is switching cars and wasting natural resources like crazy.
Fun part is then politicians blame you for using an old car
and praise the guys using new cars despite the fact they
are the ones wasting natural resources.
Ogg wrote to Arelor <=-
Not long ago, Ontario had an "Emissions Test" that every
vehicle had to pass every 2 yrs. I think it was in force for
about 8 yrs, and then it was scrapped. The system penalized old
cars (for getting old), and penalized new cars (for passing a
needless test plus a fee for the test!)
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