• Echomail Area Changes

    From Avon@21:1/101 to All on Sun Apr 30 19:48:50 2023
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    Changes to fsxNet echomail areas - please read =============================================================================

    It has been almost two years since new echomail areas were added to fsxNet.

    Here are the details from history.txt posted back on 25 May 2021.

    [snip]

    2021-05-25
    Added several new echomail areas to fsxNet today!

    FSX_GAMING Games/Gaming Chat
    FSX_SPACE Space/Astronomy Chat
    FSX_SPORTS Sports Chat
    FSX_RETRO Retro Computing/Tech Chat
    FSX_TRANSPORT Transportation Chat (All Modes)
    FSX_VIDEO Movies/TV/Streaming Chat
    FSX_MUSIC Music Chat (Artists, Songs Etc)
    FSX_DIY D.I.Y Chat, Tips + Tricks
    FSX_FOOD Food + Cooking Chat
    FSX_GARDENING Gardening Chat
    FSX_ARTS Arts + Artistic Chat

    [snip]

    Echomail Areas Closing
    ======================

    Today I am announcing changes to the echomail areas carried on fsxNet.

    To start with we will consolidate down several echomail areas created
    in 2021 into one new echomail area.

    The following echomail areas are to be retired and will close down
    effective 10 May 2023

    FSX_ESP Espanol General Chat
    FSX_DIY D.I.Y Chat, Tips + Tricks
    FSX_FOOD Food + Cooking Chat
    FSX_GARDENING Gardening Chat
    FSX_ARTS Arts + Artistic Chat
    FSX_TRANSPORT Transportation Chat (All Modes)
    FSX_SPORTS Sports Chat

    Introducing FSX_LFE
    ===================

    In their place a new echomail area FSX_LFE has been created. It has a 'Lifestyle' focus and acts as a catch-all for topics including Gardening, DIY, Art, Food, Travel, Transport, Sports etc.

    From fsxnet.txt

    [snip]

    FSX_LFE Lifestyle - There's lots of ways to enjoy life! This echo covers
    many different lifestyle topics including (but not limited to)
    Gardening, DIY, Art, Food, Travel, Transport, Sports, Pets,
    Health & Fitness etc. Dive in, lets chat :)

    [snip]

    Getting Ready For This Change
    =============================

    From today I will start to remove the retiring echomail areas from fsxnet.na and other online listings that detail echomail areas in fsxNet. I will also post announcements in all affected echomail areas signaling their pending closure and the new FSX_LFE 'Lifestyle' echo.

    Also, from today, new nodes joining fsxNet will not be offered a feed of
    the echomail areas soon to close.

    I encourage fsxNet sysops to delink and remove from their BBS the echomail areas that are closing in advance of 10 May 2023. By that date
    all remaining nodes still connected to the retiring echomail areas will be manually delinked from them by your HUB admin.

    If you opt to retain the retired echomail areas on your BBS for posterity
    after 10 May 2023 that is your call, but please ensure they are set as
    'read only' for your users.

    I also encourage current fsxNet sysops to look for and subscribe to the new FSX_LFE echomail area which has now been added to the fsxnet.na file and created at your fsxNet HUB :)

    New Echomail Areas Coming
    =========================

    Yes, further echomail areas are planned to be added. I will be in touch by separate post with some details in the coming weeks. More to follow :)

    This message has been x-posted to FSX_GEN and FSX_NET please post any
    further discussion on this topic in FSX_NET

    Best, Paul aka Avon

    Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

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  • From fC@21:4/181 to Avon on Sun Apr 30 04:33:53 2023


    On 05/01/2023 11:48 am Avon said...
    If you opt to retain the retired echomail areas on your BBS for posterity after 10 May 2023 that is your call, but please ensure they are set as 'read only' for your users.

    All these posts will be lost in time, like tears in the rain. Time to consolidate.

    Of all the echomail areas I've encounted in my travels, these were the most.... human. Play me out Scotty.

    Sorry, I haven't gotten much sleep and I'm a bit loopy. I look forward to these changes.

    fC

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to fC on Sun Apr 30 21:08:42 2023
    On 30 Apr 2023 at 04:33a, fC pondered and said...

    Of all the echomail areas I've encounted in my travels, these were the most.... human. Play me out Scotty.

    :) .. you have to say 'most' with a real quiver in your voice too :)

    I'm sure some systems will keep them for history's sake, but hopefully people interested in the topics/subjects covered in the (soon to close) echomail areas will find a space to carry them on in the now launched FSX_LFE Lifestyle echo.

    Sorry, I haven't gotten much sleep and I'm a bit loopy. I look forward
    to these changes.

    Thanks, I'd encourage you to sub to the FSX_NET and FSX_LFE echos is you haven't already. If you want to chat further about the changes can we shift the chat over to FSX_NET thanks.

    I hope you get some zzz soon, I know the loopy feeling also when sleep is MIA for me.

    Best, Paul

    Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

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  • From Nigel Reed@21:2/101 to Avon on Sun Apr 30 07:50:59 2023
    On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 19:48:50 +1200
    "Avon" (21:1/101) <Avon@f101.n1.z21.fidonet> wrote:

    FSX_LFE Lifestyle - There's lots of ways to enjoy life! This echo
    covers many different lifestyle topics including (but not limited to)
    Gardening, DIY, Art, Food, Travel, Transport, Sports, Pets,
    Health & Fitness etc. Dive in, lets chat :)

    You just couldn't called it FSX_LIFE could you? *sigh*

    I've made the listed groups read only at End Of The Line BBS and if
    someone hasn't posted they're going away then I'll do that once they're
    gone.

    New group is added.

    Thanks,
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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Nigel Reed on Sun Apr 30 16:48:00 2023
    Hello Ngel Reed!

    ** On Sunday 30.04.23 - 07:50, Ngel Reed wrote to Avon:

    FSX_LFE Lifestyle - There's lots of ways to enjoy life! This echo
    covers many different lifestyle topics including (but not limited to)
    Gardening, DIY, Art, Food, Travel, Transport, Sports, Pets,
    Health & Fitness etc. Dive in, lets chat :)

    You just couldn't called it FSX_LIFE could you? *sigh*


    Maybe the rule of ths echo s to exclude all occurences of the
    mssng letter.

    Eg.

    FSX_LFE Lfestyle - There's lots of ways to enjoy lfe!
    Ths echo covers many dfferent lfestyle topcs ncluding
    (but not lmted to) Gardenng, DY, Art, Food, Travel,
    Transport, Sports, Pets, Health & Ftness etc. Dve n,
    lets chat :)


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Ogg on Mon May 1 09:48:16 2023
    On 30 Apr 2023 at 04:48p, Ogg pondered and said...

    You just couldn't called it FSX_LIFE could you? *sigh*


    Maybe the rule of ths echo s to exclude all occurences of the
    mssng letter.

    Gents, it's likely my OCD and the desire to keep tags simple/short... so that's where I have landed.

    Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Avon on Thu May 4 09:32:08 2023
    Avon wrote (2023-05-01):

    On 30 Apr 2023 at 04:48p, Ogg pondered and said...

    You just couldn't called it FSX_LIFE could you? *sigh*


    Maybe the rule of ths echo s to exclude all occurences of the
    mssng letter.

    Gents, it's likely my OCD and the desire to keep tags simple/short... so that's where I have landed.

    _ really dslke these short area names, some are confusng. _ENG for English, _CRY for Crying? _LFE for Low Frequency Effects (the .1 in 5.1 Surround)? My brain always refuses to automatically associate the right word (Enigma, Cryptography, Life) with these weird abbreviations. It's not simple , it's more complicated than just using the non-abbreviated word. Also having everything in the same length makes it a bit harder to distinguish. Variations in length is a good thing for pattern matching.

    But that is just my opinion ;). I'm not saying you are wrong (or I am right).



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  • From Roon@21:4/148 to Oli on Thu May 4 11:04:43 2023
    Hello Oli,

    04 May 23 09:32, you wrote to Avon:

    You just couldn't called it FSX_LIFE could you? *sigh*


    Maybe the rule of ths echo s to exclude all occurences of the
    mssng letter.

    Gents, it's likely my OCD and the desire to keep tags
    simple/short... so that's where I have landed.

    _ really dslke these short area names, some are confusng. _ENG for
    English, _CRY for Crying? _LFE for Low Frequency Effects (the .1 in
    5.1 Surround)? My brain always refuses to automatically associate the
    right word (Enigma, Cryptography, Life) with these weird
    abbreviations. It's not simple , it's more complicated than just using
    the non-abbreviated word. Also having everything in the same length
    makes it a bit harder to distinguish. Variations in length is a good
    thing for pattern matching.

    But that is just my opinion ;). I'm not saying you are wrong (or I am right).

    +1 on _ENG and _CRY, i am always confused. but i don't have any problems with _LFE :)

    Regards,
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  • From Nigel Reed@21:2/101 to All on Thu May 4 12:02:18 2023
    On Thu, 4 May 2023 11:04:43 +0200
    "Roon" (21:4/148) <Roon@f148.n4.z21.fidonet> wrote:


    +1 on _ENG and _CRY, i am always confused. but i don't have any
    problems with _LFE :)

    I don't get it either. It's not like we need to save bytes down a wire
    any more.
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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Oli on Fri May 5 08:52:29 2023
    On 04 May 2023 at 09:32a, Oli pondered and said...

    _ really dslke these short area names, some are confusng. _ENG for English, _CRY for Crying? _LFE for Low Frequency Effects (the .1 in 5.1 Surround)? My brain always refuses to automatically associate the right word (Enigma, Cryptography, Life) with these weird abbreviations. It's
    not simple , it's more complicated than just using the non-abbreviated word. Also having everything in the same length makes it a bit harder to distinguish. Variations in length is a good thing for pattern matching.

    Sure, am understanding of your views.

    From my point of view I like the brevity and uniformity of shorter tags, it's less to type and it's just a tag. The opportunity to convey far more meaning falls to the title of the echo and the accompanying blurb in the infopack vs an (up to) 8 character tag.

    But that is just my opinion ;). I'm not saying you are wrong (or I am right).

    Yep :) All good. I know the subject is somewhat divisive but no one is goign to loose a limb over this - phew ;-)

    Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

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  • From Digital Man to Avon on Fri May 5 21:51:19 2023
    Re: Re: Echomail Area Changes
    By: Avon to Oli on Fri May 05 2023 08:52 am

    infopack vs an (up to) 8 character tag.

    Just a head's up: FTN echo-tags (area tags) can be much longer than 8 characters: as long as 50 characters (for Mystic and FMail) while some software may be limited to 35 character tags, but there's no defined FTN standard maximum length that I've been able to locate.
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  • From Diamond Dave@21:1/194 to Avon on Sat May 6 17:57:41 2023
    Re: Echomail Area Changes
    By: Avon to All on Sun Apr 30 2023 07:48 pm

    FSX_LFE Lifestyle - There's lots of ways to enjoy life! This echo covers
    many different lifestyle topics including (but not limited to)
    Gardening, DIY, Art, Food, Travel, Transport, Sports, Pets,
    Health & Fitness etc. Dive in, lets chat :)


    Do we have to request it, or will it be automatically added to everyone's feeds?

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Digital Man on Sun May 7 14:11:30 2023
    On 05 May 2023 at 09:51p, Digital Man pondered and said...

    Just a head's up: FTN echo-tags (area tags) can be much longer than 8 characters: as long as 50 characters (for Mystic and FMail) while some software may be limited to 35 character tags, but there's no defined FTN standard maximum length that I've been able to locate.

    Good to know, thanks DM.

    Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Diamond Dave on Sun May 7 14:13:15 2023
    On 06 May 2023 at 05:57p, Diamond Dave pondered and said...

    Do we have to request it, or will it be automatically added to everyone's feeds?

    Request it via Areafix would be the way to go or contact your HUB admin and ask to be linked to it is another option.

    Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

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