I would like to setup a raspberry pi box. Im realizing a Mac would be too much of a luxury purchase for me. Id rather have more money for next year's vacation.

Has anyone done a setup a bbs with raspberry pi guide?


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I would like to setup a raspberry pi box. Im realizing a Mac would be too much of a luxury
purchase for me. Id rather have more money for next year's vacation.

Setting up a bbs on Raspberry Pi should be possible.
There may be some slow functions such as searching message bases and the like once a high number of posts get put in the different message areas, but then again you can clean these out from time to time as a lot of the conversations can expire with time.
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Utopian Galt wrote to All <=-

I would like to setup a raspberry pi box. Im realizing a Mac
would be too much of a luxury purchase for me. Id rather have
more money for next year's vacation.

Has anyone done a setup a bbs with raspberry pi guide?

https://wiki.synchro.net/howto:raspbian_install



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On Thursday, April 27th Utopian Galt said...

I would like to setup a raspberry pi box. Im realizing a Mac would be too much of a luxury purchase for me. Id rather have more money for next year's vacation.

There are quite a few people running enigma on Pi's.

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Re: Raspberry Pi
By: Utopian Galt to All on Thu Apr 27 2023 07:50 pm

I would like to setup a raspberry pi box. Im realizing a Mac would be too much of a luxury purchase for me. Id rather have more money for next year's vacation.

Has anyone done a setup a bbs with raspberry pi guide?

I haven't, but I've heard of other sysops doing so with Synchronet. And as an aside, Raspberry Pi boards have been very hard to find at a ressonable price over the past 2-3 years due to supply chain shortages. I managed to snag one about a year ago (though at an inflated price) to build a Pi-based music synthesizer, but I've wanted to wait for prices to come down and availability to go back up again before buying another.

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Re: Raspberry Pi
By: Nightfox to Utopian Galt on Fri Apr 28 2023 09:54 am

I haven't, but I've heard of other sysops doing so with Synchronet. And as an aside, Raspberry Pi boards have been very hard to find at a ressonable price over the past 2-3 years due to supply chain shortages. I managed to

Yeah, I was going to suggest to Matt that the micro-allure of rPis are nice, but it's hard to beat the bang-per-buck score of a used Dell SFF desktop PC. $90 on NewEgg for a Optiplex 3050 with 8GB of RAM, a 3.7 ghz CPU and 500 GB hard drive.

You get an intel CPU, so no compile issues, good airflow and a proper SATA interface.

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Re: Raspberry Pi
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri Apr 28 2023 02:32 pm

Yeah, I was going to suggest to Matt that the micro-allure of rPis are nice, but it's hard to beat the bang-per-buck score of a used Dell SFF desktop PC. $90 on NewEgg for a Optiplex 3050 with 8GB of RAM, a 3.7 ghz CPU and 500 GB hard drive.

You get an intel CPU, so no compile issues, good airflow and a proper SATA interface.

Yeah, they're good PCs. I'm currently using a Dell Precision that I bought on eBay about a year and a half a go, and in addition to my BBS, I'm also using it as a Plex media server, Pi-Hole (network-wide ad blocker), and other things.

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Re: Raspberry Pi
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 28 2023 03:01 pm

Yeah, they're good PCs. I'm currently using a Dell Precision that I bought on eBay about a year and a half a go, and in addition to my BBS, I'm also using it as a Plex media server, Pi-Hole (network-wide ad blocker), and

Because California has an horrible energy grid, I wanted to run a low energy usage pc.
Fiscally and enviromentally sensible at the same time.
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Re: Raspberry Pi
By: Utopian Galt to Nightfox on Fri Apr 28 2023 07:25 pm

Re: Raspberry Pi
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 28 2023 03:01 pm

Yeah, they're good PCs. I'm currently using a Dell Precision that I bou on eBay about a year and a half a go, and in addition to my BBS, I'm al using it as a Plex media server, Pi-Hole (network-wide ad blocker), and

Because California has an horrible energy grid, I wanted to run a low energy Fiscally and enviromentally sensible at the same time.
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I think making a new energy efficient computer is more resource intensive than keeping an old energy-inefficient computer working.

Most people who replaces old working computers due to enviromental concerns have not sat down and thought it through. Most of the time it does not make finantial sense either. Even with European prices, a new machine may take more than 10 years to save enough energy to justify the replacement.

(My home is energetically self-sufficient so it makes even less sense, but that is a different matter).


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Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Yeah, they're good PCs. I'm currently using a Dell Precision that I bought on eBay about a year and a half a go

I love Dell Precisions. I had an off-lease T3400 that lasted me 10
years after its 3 years as a business desktop somewhere. Upgraded it to
a quad core, the only issue was trying to find ECC memory for it.

Built like tanks.




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Utopian Galt wrote to Nightfox <=-

Because California has an horrible energy grid, I wanted to run a low energy usage pc. Fiscally and enviromentally sensible at the same time.

https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/about.html

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Arelor wrote to Utopian Galt <=-

Most people who replaces old working computers due to enviromental concerns have not sat down and thought it through. Most of the time it does not make finantial sense either. Even with European prices, a new machine may take more than 10 years to save enough energy to justify
the replacement.

Financially, it makes sense - I look at how much longer my UPS lasts
with my 4 year old i7 versus a 12 year old Core 2 Quad, and extrapolate
that into lower utility costs.


To UG's point, it would be a nice challenge to make a home network run
on a Pi - run a BBS, some home apps, maybe do some streaming, run a
small web site... the only thing that bugs me about pis was not being
able to use SATA for booting/storage. I hear that's resolved and I've
seen some interesting pi cases that hold an nvme.

Some people are even running Docker and ESXi on Pis...




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I would like to setup a raspberry pi box. Im realizing a Mac would be too much of a luxury purchase for me. Id rather have more money for next year's vacation.

Has anyone done a setup a bbs with raspberry pi guide?

It's relatively straight forward, though you might want to consider other options, with the elevated rpi pricing once you add a case, memory, power supply etc a lot of the micro intel devices are pretty close to that including those things. Also, getting DOS doors on ARM isn't the easiest thing, you'll have to configure QEMU and if you want multi user doors, then you'll need some makeshift networking config in there.

If you don't need/want DOS doors, or are okay using something like doorparty, then it's definitely doable. Might also be worth considering a $5-15/month VPS too, since that will run on an unfettered internet connection, assuming your home internet service blocks various ports.


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To UG's point, it would be a nice challenge to make a home network run
on a Pi - run a BBS, some home apps, maybe do some streaming, run a
small web site... the only thing that bugs me about pis was not being
able to use SATA for booting/storage. I hear that's resolved and I've
seen some interesting pi cases that hold an nvme.

I wouldn't bother with nvme... the DeskPi case can do straight SATA (SSD) or SATA m.2. It uses a bridge to one of the USB3 ports and works pretty well. I've actually got three of them with 8gb rpi4 and ~480gb drives. Had intended to play with Kubernetes on them, but never got around to it.

Keep telling myself I should sell them before pricing returns to normal. Only advice I have is get a 3.5-4A power cable... I'm partial to the Argon one myself... with the SATA drive connected you'll get the power warning all the time if you don't have a good power supply.


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Arelor wrote (2023-04-29):

Because California has an horrible energy grid, I wanted to run a low
energy Fiscally and enviromentally sensible at the same time.

I think making a new energy efficient computer is more resource intensive than keeping an old energy-inefficient computer working.

Most people who replaces old working computers due to enviromental
concerns have not sat down and thought it through.

Have you thought it through? I would be interested in numbers and hard facts. I honestly have no idea how much energy and other resources the production of a new Raspberry consumes and how much waste it creates. I still doubt that wasting 10W or more with an old energy-inefficient computer is less resource intensive (10W -> 87kWh in a year), but I might be wrong. But it really depends on the older computer. I think there are Intel machines that don't consume much more than a Raspi 4 when idle and others would waste much more than 10W.

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Re: Raspberry Pi
By: Oli to Arelor on Thu May 04 2023 08:11 am

Arelor wrote (2023-04-29):

Because California has an horrible energy grid, I wanted to run a low
energy Fiscally and enviromentally sensible at the same time.

I think making a new energy efficient computer is more resource intensiv than keeping an old energy-inefficient computer working.

Most people who replaces old working computers due to enviromental concerns have not sat down and thought it through.

Have you thought it through? I would be interested in numbers and hard facts
an old energy-inefficient computer is less resource intensive (10W -> 87kWh ould waste much more than 10W.

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I run some numbers every time I intend to upgrade and they are usually not pretty.

Imagine you have an old computer you are going to withdraw from desktop service because it is an old brick from 2004 or so. You also happen to need a light NAS to store pictures of horses or whatever. The decission now is whether get a NAS anew or repurpose the old computer.

Old desktop computer from 2004 uses 40 W, screen included, when not idle. That means around 350 kw*h a year. At Spanish prices that is around 60 bucks per year. If you use it 24/7.

Getting a new SOHO NAS with a single drive is gonna cost you around 150 bucks (hard drives not included) and might take around 20 W.

Total operation cost of the 2004 computer in the worst case is 240 bucks in 4 years. Total operation cost of the new NAS in its best case is 270 bucks for the same timeframe.

Typical computers in home scenarios have a 4 year lifecycle. This is the reason why I use 4 years as the target horizon.

Now, check your power supply company, because this is where it gets extra funny:

My power supply is 96% renewables aprox, so enviromentalist arguments don't apply.

Typical Spanish suppliers supply 46% renewable energy. If you upgrade a computer in order to consume half the energy, your CO2 impact is reduced about half you would expect because half of the power supply is ecogreen already.

ie. if you spend 150 bucks in a new unit because it consumes half the electricity (20 instead of 40) you are only saving 10 W of actually "dirty" energy.

Whether these meagre savings are bigger than the act of building a new machine or not is a foregone conclussion. 70% of the energy consumed during a computer's lifecycle is during its MANUFACTURING. "Reuse has the potential to reduce carbon emissions more than recycling," as per research from Arizona State University and Rochester Institute of Technology. That fancy NAS that saves so much energy might take 2000 or 3000 fucking Meja Joules to make (!). That is the equivalent of running the old computer 24/7 for... 2 years?

How long do you plan to run your new machine? You need nearly 4 years to offset the enviromental cost of manufacturing the new device (2 if your power supplier uses ZERO renewables) and nearly 4 to offset the operational cost at European prices (which SUCK).

This doesn't fly. Get off the consumist wheel and run your hardware into the ground before you upgrade it if you want to feel ecogreen.


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This doesn't fly. Get off the consumist wheel and run your hardware
into the ground before you upgrade it if you want to feel ecogreen.

Posting this from a 33-year-old computer, does that count as running it into the ground? :D (To be fair, though, I also have a boatload of solar panels sitting on the roof and make more power than I use from March through
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Re: Raspberry Pi
By: Abbub to Arelor on Thu May 04 2023 05:25 pm

This doesn't fly. Get off the consumist wheel and run your hardware
into the ground before you upgrade it if you want to feel ecogreen.

Posting this from a 33-year-old computer, does that count as running it into the ground? :D (To be fair, though, I also have a boatload of solar panels sitting on the roof and make more power than I use from March through October. ;)

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Please, request your prize at the nearest Bearded Computer Geek office. You have won this decade's award for keeping alive a computer that should have died twenty years ago. XD

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Please, request your prize at the nearest Bearded Computer Geek office.
You have won this decade's award for keeping alive a computer
that should have died twenty years ago. XD

I'll take it! (/me crosses fingers. Maybe the prize is some retrobright!)
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On 2023-05-04 23:31 Arelor said...

Please, request your prize at the nearest Bearded Computer Geek office.

Here you go:
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Arelor wrote to Oli <=-

This doesn't fly. Get off the consumist wheel and run your hardware
into the ground before you upgrade it if you want to feel ecogreen.

That's a lot easier now. I got 10+ years out of my last desktop, and it
mostly kept up with the times.

My new one, if the parts hold up, should last as long, I'm expecting to
move from Windows 10 to linux or *BSD when 10 goes EOL.

I've got Photoshop running under WINE, and been training myself to use
the web versions of Microsoft365, so my two biggest hurdles are out of
the way. I can run Windows 11 in Proxmox for when I need it.



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Arelor wrote to Abbub <=-

Please, request your prize at the nearest Bearded Computer Geek office. You have won this decade's award for keeping alive a computer that
should have died twenty years ago. XD

TIME TO FIRE UP MY TIMEX SINCLAIR
TS1000. IF ONLY I COULD FIND THE
KILLER 16K EXPANSION PAK.



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On 05 May 2023 at 06:12p, beardy pondered and said...

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Hi Arelor,

On Friday May 05 2023, Arelor said to Abbub:

You have won this decade's award for keeping alive a computer that
should have died twenty years ago. XD

I have working each of the following: Amiga 3000, Amiga 4000, Amiga 1200,
Amiga 600. %-)

The are all networked, and have expansions past the base unit. Except the
A4000 it's got the least amount of ram (12mb) that's not on the Accelerator card.


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I have working each of the following: Amiga 3000, Amiga 4000, Amiga
1200, Amiga 600. %-)

Very nice! I have an Amiga 2000 that's networked. Today I'm breaking out the *oldest* computer I have with network capabilities, which is the Commodore
64, so I can test 40-column-mode on the BBS. :D

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How long do you plan to run your new machine? You need nearly 4 years to offset the enviromental cost of manufacturing the new device (2 if your power supplier uses ZERO renewables) and nearly 4 to offset the operational cost at European prices (which SUCK).

Can't speak for GP, but for me, I ran my last NAS for about 13 years or so, did upgrade the drives about 6 years ago... current NAS I've had for about a year now. For my desktop, I've cycled as low as 18 months and as much as 5.5 years... but I always pass my hardware on, and it generally gets used for many years before retiring. My old i7-4790K is still being used by a friend of mine. And my 8(4) core bulldozer before that is still used as a home server by a different friend.

Just because one person isn't using a system, doesn't mean it doesn't see use beyond that person. Although, if I had the room and could handle the cooling and noise for a rack, I'd probably be using used server hardware instead of the Synology NAS and the MinisForum box I'm using for storage and home-server duties today. I also upgraded my network hardware recently. Should be good for 5+ years on that side, while I'll probably upgrade my desktop again next cycle, and my laptop not long after.


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The are all networked, and have expansions past the base unit. Except the A4000 it's got the least amount of ram (12mb) that's not on the Accelerator card.

Any interest in a CS MKII 060 with SCSI?

I have 2x A1200s - one towerized with BPPC and Voodoo 3, pci, etc., the other in a checkmate case with a CS 030 MKIV. I also have an A4000 that needs to be recapped...ugh. And two CD32s :) One of which I should also get rid of.

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Tracker1 wrote to Arelor <=-

generally gets used for many years before retiring. My old i7-4790K is still being used by a friend of mine.

That's the CPU in my daily driver. :)

It seems quite fast enough, appears to benchmark faster than an i5 a
couple of generations newer. I can't do dynamic Zoom backgrounds, but
I'm not worried about that.





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Re: Raspberry Pi
By: Tracker1 to Arelor on Sat May 06 2023 07:57 pm

How long do you plan to run your new machine? You need nearly 4 years t offset the enviromental cost of manufacturing the new device (2 if your power supplier uses ZERO renewables) and nearly 4 to offset the operational cost at European prices (which SUCK).

Can't speak for GP, but for me, I ran my last NAS for about 13 years or so, ss my hardware on, and it generally gets used for many years before retiring

Just because one person isn't using a system, doesn't mean it doesn't see us e MinisForum box I'm using for storage and home-server duties today. I also

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Well, if your use horizon is far away then it makes sense to buy better hardware from the get go, specially if you intend to run it 24/7.

That said, desktop systems skew the maths because those run a couple of hours per day only. Most people I hear talking about upgrading hardware to cut costs or be ecogreen are talking about upgrading desktops. If you run the desktop 6 hours per day it will take you four times longer to recoup the investment.


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generally gets used for many years before retiring. My old i7-4790K
is still being used by a friend of mine.

That's the CPU in my daily driver. :)

It seems quite fast enough, appears to benchmark faster than an i5 a couple of generations newer. I can't do dynamic Zoom backgrounds, but
I'm not worried about that.

Should be good for most general usage, definitely. I mostly notice when doing software builds, debugging or running many services at the same time.

Mine was using a GTX 970 for the first couple years, then a GTX 1080 for the last 3+ I had been using the machine. Passed it down with the 970.


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Well, if your use horizon is far away then it makes sense to buy better hardware from the get go, specially if you intend to run it 24/7.

That said, desktop systems skew the maths because those run a couple of hours per day only. Most people I hear talking about upgrading hardware to cut costs or be ecogreen are talking about upgrading desktops. If you run the desktop 6 hours per day it will take you four times longer to recoup the investment.

Of course, I was merely pointing out that if one person is upgrading that doesn't mean it goes unused... and yeah, I wouldn't suggest that anyone upgrade *just* for going more "green" as you're right, it's usually a falacy vs just using what is already built. Same goes even more so for cars, I'd be more interrested in Electric for performance, speed and tech goodies. They're generally pretty bad for the environment as a whole, let alone issues with power generation where they're already the most popular/trendy.


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Hi Abbub,

On Saturday May 06 2023, Abbub said to Vorlon:

I have working each of the following: Amiga 3000, Amiga 4000, Amiga
1200, Amiga 600. %-)

Very nice! I have an Amiga 2000 that's networked. Today I'm breaking out the *oldest* computer I have with network capabilities, which is the Commodore 64, so I can test 40-column-mode on the BBS. :D

I sold my C=64 to go Amiga! I have been watching ebay for a C=128D to cover both, but they either are: 1) Faulty. 2) Have bits missing. 3) Want to
much for postage. 4) Don't post photo's of it working.

I want to get a working machine, not one I have to spend more time and money fixing.

Btw: This is ebay Australia...



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Hi Esc,

On Saturday May 06 2023, Esc said to Vorlon:

They are all networked, and have expansions past the base unit. Except
the A4000 it's got the least amount of ram (12mb) that's not on the
Accelerator card.

Any interest in a CS MKII 060 with SCSI?

Full 060? What rev 060? Is it in a socket or soldered? Ram installed?

What type of $$ are you after? Shipping wold be to Australia.

I have 2x A1200s - one towerized with BPPC and Voodoo 3, pci, etc., the other in a checkmate case with a CS 030 MKIV.

I wanted to get a checkmate case and A3000 converter kit, but after
converting to AUD and shipping it's just not worth it at just shy of
$1000AUD for a case..

I also have an A4000 that needs to be recapped...

Get it done! You'll regret it latter if you don't.

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I sold my C=64 to go Amiga! I have been watching ebay for a C=128D to
cover both, but they either are: 1) Faulty. 2) Have bits missing.
3) Want to much for postage. 4) Don't post photo's of it working.

Yeah, I have a (non-D) C128 as well, and a 1541-II and 1581 to go along with it. (Though, honestly, I have a UltimateII+ that takes the place of floppy drives on both the C64 and the C128 whenever I play with them. One of my friends has a 128D that's missing a keyboard. I believe he's been hunting for one for eons, but they're completely unobtainable these days. I'm sure eBay Australia isn't much different than eBay USA in so far as finding a decent computer that's fully functional, honestly described, and not charging 10x
for shipping is almost impossible these days.

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Any interest in a CS MKII 060 with SCSI?

Full 060? What rev 060? Is it in a socket or soldered? Ram installed?

What type of $$ are you after? Shipping wold be to Australia.

I'm not home this week (biz trip) but can follow up this weekend. What's your email address? Or how else can I get in touch?

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Hi esc,

On Tuesday May 09 2023, Esc said to Vorlon:

Any interest in a CS MKII 060 with SCSI? Full 060? What rev 060?

Is it in a socket or soldered? Ram installed? What type of $$ are you
after? Shipping wold be to Australia.

I'm not home this week (biz trip) but can follow up this weekend. What's your email address? Or how else can I get in touch?

vk3heg@vk3heg.net
vk3heg@gmail.com

Best to send to both, just in case the spam filter has a field day! #_)


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Stephen

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Hi Abbub,

I sold my C=64 to go Amiga! I have been watching ebay for a C=128D to
cover both, but they either are: 1) Faulty. 2) Have bits missing.
3) Want to much for postage. 4) Don't post photo's of it working.

Yeah, I have a (non-D) C128 as well, and a 1541-II and 1581 to go along
with it. (Though, honestly, I have a UltimateII+ that takes the place of floppy > drives on both the C64 and the C128 whenever I play with them. One of my
friends has a 128D that's missing a keyboard. I believe he's been hunting
for one for eons, but they're completely unobtainable these days. I'm sure eBay Australia isn't much different than eBay USA in so far as finding a decent computer that's fully functional, honestly described, and not
charging 10x for shipping is almost impossible these days.

Here's an example of one right now: 234701107310

"Keyboard has missing key caps as seen in image. Some other keys are known
not to work as well. Internal 1571 drive known not to be working" His got it for $900AUD.

There's a couple of keyboards as well (This seller has two): 325608613651
$350 + $17.80 AUD.

There's a metal case 128D on there right now, curently at a reasonable
price (I can see it skyrocking), but no keyboard and no photo's of it working....





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"Keyboard has missing key caps as seen in image. Some other keys are
known not to work as well. Internal 1571 drive known not to be
working" His got it for $900AUD.

Yeah, I like my old computers as much as the next guy, but I do draw the line at spending more than $500 for a vintage system. (Really, I draw the line at spending more than $150 for a system...) Though honestly part of my
reluctance is that you can't throw a rock in my basement without hitting a
half dozen old computers. My 'back catalog' of old hardware to tinker with is so big that I really don't *need* anything else, so new acquisitions have to fall into the 'too good to pass over' category.

(Please don't throw rocks at my old computers).

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On 10 May 2023, Abbub said the following...

without hitting a half dozen old computers. My 'back catalog' of old hardware to tinker with is so big that I really don't *need* anything else, so new acquisitions have to fall into the 'too good to pass over'

in my case, i suppose i would keep the newest old pc capable of doing what i'd like.. for example my sound blaster 16, which is ISA, has a pretty big window of hardware that's compatible all the way to some P4 boards. in reality probably a P3/K6-2 would be the sweet spot.

problem is now there are people nostalgic for windows 95/98..

it's funny because i must have had several dozen P2/3/K6-2 era machines that either were pulled from stacks of them left by the trash, marked $4.99 as-is
at the good-will, etc. could stack them up and throw a few boards across to build a computer-computer desk or something lol. nowadays with a little patience they'd net me a few thousand bucks.. ah well

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Hi abbub,

On Wednesday May 10 2023, Abbub said to Vorlon:

Yeah, I like my old computers as much as the next guy, but I do draw the line at spending more than $500 for a vintage system. (Really, I draw
the line at spending more than $150 for a system...) Though honestly
part of my reluctance is that you can't throw a rock in my basement
without hitting a half dozen old computers. My 'back catalog' of old hardware to tinker with is so big that I really don't *need* anything
else, so new acquisitions have to fall into the 'too good to pass over' category.

I'm more looking at it like a space saving venture, so getting a C128D would cover both sides of the coin... But I'm not willing to spend anything like $900AUD to get the system, and then having to spend even more to get it fixed.

There's also a auction on there for 4 Amiga mice for $600AUD and $100AUD in shipping. The description: "ROLL UP!!! ROLL UP!!! BULK LOT OF ORIGINAL 4 COMMODORE AMIGA MOUSE'S AT A FANTASTIC PRICE!!!. Just what any Amiga User Need's. Happy Bidding. Only Amiga Makes it Possible."



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lol. nowadays with a little patience they'd net me a few thousand
bucks.. ah well

And the same is true of the modern's we're all using right now, but we'll probably toss those as soon as they outlive their 'modern' usefullness, too.
:D

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