When and how did this happen? Both nets date back to the 1980s, and according to our Ukrainian Nodelist Server, both of them seem to have been in the nodelist all this time:

Host,310,Vienna_Net,Vienna_A,Helmut_Renner

Host,310,Cheyenne_WY,Cheyenne_WY,Terry_Barlow,


While searching for dups I also found this, not a dupe but rather unnecessary IMHO:

Host,221,Finland_(301),Ylojarvi,Tommi_Koivula

Host,2215,Northeast_Ohio,Kent_Ohio_USA,Bill_Burton


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Hi Bj”rn,

On 2022-10-31 16:56:37, you wrote to All:

When and how did this happen? Both nets date back to the 1980s, and according to our Ukrainian Nodelist Server, both of them seem to have
been in the nodelist all this time:

Host,310,Vienna_Net,Vienna_A,Helmut_Renner

Host,310,Cheyenne_WY,Cheyenne_WY,Terry_Barlow,

Terry Barlow has no clue what he is doing. He has 23 entries in the nodelist with his name in them. But most of those nodes can not be connected.

And his net 310 doesn't exist any more in reality:

1:310/0 region15.net:24554 47.49.255.8 Error: Connection refused
1:310/1 region15.net:24554 47.49.255.8 Error: Connection refused
1:310/2 cheyenne.tkware.us - Error: Cannot getaddrinfo - Name or service not known

So it should be removed, as a few others in R15...


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On 31 Oct 22 16:19:28, Wilfred Van Velzen said the following to Bj*Rn Felten:

Terry Barlow has no clue what he is doing. He has 23 entries in the nodelis with his name in them. But most of those nodes can not be connected.

I love it when you whine for me, sweetheart.

Nick

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I love it when you whine for me, sweetheart.

Who *whines* for you? Just fix the errors in the part of the nodelist that you are ultimately responsible for, when pointed out to you, please?


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On 02 Nov 22 04:12:57, Bj*Rn Felten said the following to Nick Andre:

I love it when you whine for me, sweetheart.

Who *whines* for you? Just fix the errors in the part of the nodelist th you are ultimately responsible for, when pointed out to you, please?

LOL, fuck off.

Nick

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Who *whines* for you? Just fix the errors in the part of the nodelist th
you are ultimately responsible for, when pointed out to you, please?

LOL, fuck off.

How mature of you. So, no action regarding 23, mostly defunct, nodelist entries by one single person then?


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On 02 Nov 22 13:29:08, Bj*Rn Felten said the following to Nick Andre:

you are ultimately responsible for, when pointed out to you, please?

LOL, fuck off.

How mature of you. So, no action regarding 23, mostly defunct, nodelist entries by one single person then?

Nope, in fact I'll compliment him for annoying you and Winnie van VaginaLips.

Nick

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Björn Felten wrote to Nick Andre <=-

Who *whines* for you? Just fix the errors in the part of the nodelist
that you are ultimately responsible for, when pointed out to you,
please?

LOL, fuck off.

How mature of you. So, no action regarding 23, mostly defunct,
nodelist entries by one single person then?

So, no action by you to prevent a non-sysop sockpuppet from the bayou accessing Sysop-only echos on Fidonet from your BBS?

Pot, meet Kettle.


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Hello Dan,

Who *whines* for you? Just fix the errors in the part of the nodelist
that you are ultimately responsible for, when pointed out to you,
please?

LOL, fuck off.

How mature of you. So, no action regarding 23, mostly defunct,
nodelist entries by one single person then?

So, no action by you to prevent a non-sysop sockpuppet from the bayou accessing Sysop-only echos on Fidonet from your BBS?

Sysops and probationary sysops are allowed, and should be allowed,
in all fidonet echoes. Got a problem with that, airhead?

For Life,
Lee

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On 02 Nov 22 23:24:52, Lee Lofaso said the following to Dan Clough:

Sysops and probationary sysops are allowed, and should be allowed,
in all fidonet echoes. Got a problem with that, airhead?

And the troll says what?

Nick

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Hello Bj”rn!

Wednesday November 02 2022 13:29, you wrote to Nick Andre:

Who *whines* for you? Just fix the errors in the part of the
nodelist th you are ultimately responsible for, when pointed out
to you, please?

LOL, fuck off.

How mature of you. So, no action regarding 23, mostly defunct,
nodelist entries by one single person then?

You are wrong, there is around half a dozen according to my latest copy of the nodelist.


Vincent

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Hi Lee,

I have heard of co-sysops, no such thing as probationary sysops except in your mind :)

Terry


On Nov 02, 2022 11:23pm, Lee Lofaso wrote to Dan Clough:

Hello Dan,

Who *whines* for you? Just fix the errors in the part of the nodelist
that you are ultimately responsible for, when pointed out to you,
please?

LOL, fuck off.

How mature of you. So, no action regarding 23, mostly defunct,
nodelist entries by one single person then?

So, no action by you to prevent a non-sysop sockpuppet from the bayou
accessing Sysop-only echos on Fidonet from your BBS?

Sysops and probationary sysops are allowed, and should be allowed,
in all fidonet echoes. Got a problem with that, airhead?

For Life,
Lee

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Hi Lee,

On Nov 02, 2022 11:23pm, Lee Lofaso wrote to Dan Clough:

Sysops and probationary sysops are allowed, and should be allowed,
in all fidonet echoes. Got a problem with that, airhead?

Not true, I am a Zone 3 sysop so I have NO access to some Zone 1 or 2 echos
and specific Region or Net echos only have access to those sysops in their own specific Region or Net echos.

If you need help or better understanding to become a Zone 1 Sysop I am sure there is help available.

Terry

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Lee Lofaso wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Who *whines* for you? Just fix the errors in the part of the nodelist
that you are ultimately responsible for, when pointed out to you,
please?

LOL, fuck off.

How mature of you. So, no action regarding 23, mostly defunct,
nodelist entries by one single person then?

So, no action by you to prevent a non-sysop sockpuppet from the bayou accessing Sysop-only echos on Fidonet from your BBS?

Sysops and probationary sysops are allowed,

You are neither of those.

and should be allowed, in all fidonet echoes.

Wrong, doofus.

Got a problem with that, airhead?

Eat a dick, Beeeorn.



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Hi Vincent,

On 2022-11-02 23:09:23, you wrote to Bj”rn Felten:

How mature of you. So, no action regarding 23, mostly defunct,
nodelist entries by one single person then?

You are wrong, there is around half a dozen according to my latest
copy of the nodelist.

Look again:

# grep Barlow Z2DAILY.307 | wc -l
23


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Wilfred!

Thursday November 03 2022 10:52, you wrote to me:

Hi Vincent,

On 2022-11-02 23:09:23, you wrote to Bj”rn Felten:

How mature of you. So, no action regarding 23, mostly defunct,
nodelist entries by one single person then?

You are wrong, there is around half a dozen according to my
latest copy of the nodelist.

Look again:

# grep Barlow Z2DAILY.307 | wc -l
23

I have :

-- Zone,3,Australia_NZ_PNG,Sydney_NSW,Scott_Little,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XX,INA:ftn .sysgod.org,IBN,ITN:60177,IFC,PING ,50,Kaffeien_Caffe,Bloemfontein_ZA,Russell_Tiedt,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IBN:kaffe ien.ddns.net
; Region,54,Terra_Australis,Qld_NSW(ACT)_Vic(Tas)_MiscBits,Terry_Roati,-Unpublish ed-,300,CM,XR,INA:tfb-bbs.org,IBN,IFT,ITN,IVM
; Host,633,Southern-Australia_Vic-SA-Tas-Misc,Tullamarine_Melbourne_Vic,Stephen_W alsh,-Unpublished-,300,CM,MO,IBN:ftn633.vk3heg.net ,267,Blizzard_of_Ozz,Mt_Eliza_Vic,Andrew_Clarke,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IBN:blizza rd.ozzmosis.com ,280,Net-633-Hub,Tullamarine_Melbourne_Vic,Stephen_Walsh,-Unpublished-,300,CM,M O,IBN:ftn633.vk3heg.net ,281,Dragon's_Lair_BBS,Ballarat_Vic,Stephen_Walsh,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IBN:drag on.vk3heg.net ,384,MS_&_RD_BBS,Melbourne_Vic,Michael_Falzon,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IBN:bbs.mozy sswamp.org ,408,Aliens'_Alcove_2,Taguig_City_Philippines,Eric_Pareja,-Unpublished-,300,CM, IBN:aliens.ph ,410,Freeway_BBS,Bendigo_Vic,Tony_Langdon,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IBN:freeway.vkra dio.com:24555 ,412,Datanet_BBS,Geelong_Vic,Steve_Ellis,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IBN:datanetbbs.ne t ,416,Mind's_Eye,Melbourne_Vic,Tom_Aberdeen,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IBN:mindseye.sy nchronetbbs.org ,418,d0p3,Melbourne_Vic,Nicholas_Brennan,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IBN:d0p3.intersrv .net ,420,TassieBob_BBS,Hobart_Tasmania,Bob_Purdon,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IBN:bbs.tass iebob.com ,509,Alterant,Parkdale_Vic,Deon_George,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IBN:alterant.bbs.le enooks.net:24564
; Host,712,sysgod.org,Sydney_NSW,Scott_Little,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XX,INA:ftn.sys god.org,IBN,ITN:60177,IFC,PING ,101,jumpleft.com,Sydney_NSW,Jared_Quinn,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IBN:jumpleft.com ,114,TARDIS_BBS,Port_Able_NSW,Mark_Firestone,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IBN:bbs.corte x-media.info ,550,Logovo,Sydney_NSW,Sergei_Shutov,-Unpublished-,300,CM,MO,IBN:fido.yukla.net ,620,The_Dungeon_BBS,Conder_ACT,Keith_Matthews,-Unpublished-,300,CM,IBN:dungeon .barnabasmusic.com ,848,sysgod.org,Sydney_NSW,Scott_Little,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XX,INA:ftn.sysgod. org,IBN,ITN:60177,IFC,PING ,1321,The_File_Bank_BBS!,Cairns_Qld,Terry_Roati,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XR,INA:tfb -bbs.org,IBN,IFT,ITN,IVM
; Region,57,New_Zealand,New_Zealand,Paul_Hayton,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:agency.b bs.nz,IBN,PING,TRACE
; Host,770,South_Island_Net,New_Zealand,Paul_Hayton,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:agen cy.bbs.nz,IBN,PING,TRACE ,1,Southern_Hub,South_Island_NZ,Paul_Hayton,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:agency.bbs .nz,IBN,PING,TRACE Pvt,3,Agency_HUB_Gateway,New_Zealand,Paul_Hayton,-Unpublished-,300 ,100,Agency_BBS,Dunedin,Paul_Hayton,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:agency.bbs.nz,IBN: 24555 ,330,1st_Choice_Core,Ashburton,Ian_Segers,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:1stchoicecor e.co.nz,IBN ,340,2nd_Choice_Core,Ashburton,Ian_Segers,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:2ndchoicecor e.nz,IBN:24555
; Host,772,North_Island_Net,New_Zealand,Paul_Hayton,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:agen cy.bbs.nz,IBN,PING,TRACE ,1,Northern_Hub,North_Island_NZ,Paul_Hayton,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:agency.bbs .nz,IBN,PING,TRACE ,210,Trashcan_BBS,Auckland,Nick_MacKechnie,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:bbs.thenet. gen.nz,IBN ,220,Family_BBS,Auckland,Tony_Pawson,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:familybbs.ddns.ne t,IBN ,230,S_W_A_T_S_BBS,Auckland,Stephen_Hunt,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:swatsbbs.ddns .net,IBN:24556
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Well over 10 nodes !!


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Hi Vincent,

On 2022-11-03 14:44:42, you wrote to me:

How mature of you. So, no action regarding 23, mostly defunct,
nodelist entries by one single person then?

You are wrong, there is around half a dozen according to my
latest copy of the nodelist.

Look again:

# grep Barlow Z2DAILY.307 | wc -l
23

I have :

-- Zone,3,Australia_NZ_PNG,Sydney_NSW,Scott_Little,-Unpublished-,300,CM,XX,INA
...

Well over 10 nodes !!

Why are you showing us the Zone 3 segment? What has that got to do with any of the above?


Bye, Wilfred.

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How mature of you. So, no action regarding 23, mostly defunct,
nodelist entries by one single person then?

Nope, in fact I'll compliment him for annoying you and Winnie van VaginaLips.

Oh, that's classy, really classy. I'm not so sure it's worthy of a Zone Coordinator though. I'll have to ask my ZC about that, when he returns.


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On 03 Nov 22 20:43:23, Bj*Rn Felten said the following to Nick Andre:

Nope, in fact I'll compliment him for annoying you and Winnie van VaginaLips.

Oh, that's classy, really classy. I'm not so sure it's worthy of a Zone Coordinator though. I'll have to ask my ZC about that, when he returns.

Go catch cancer while you're at it.

Nick

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So, no action by you to prevent a non-sysop sockpuppet from the bayou accessing Sysop-only echos on Fidonet from your BBS?

Correct. That's not in my job description. What *is* in that description is coordinating the glue that keeps the smooth operation of our network running, i.e. keeping the nodelist up to date. Such as pointing our potential POFs, like dupe nets once again appearing in our nodelist.

But being just a glorified point-op, not really running a BBS, you are not supposed to know that, so please step aside and let the real sysops keep communicating in this echo, that I, BTW after a w/o years ago, once again is the moderator of.


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Nope, in fact I'll compliment him for annoying you and Winnie van
VaginaLips.

Oh, that's classy, really classy. I'm not so sure it's worthy of a Zone
Coordinator though. I'll have to ask my ZC about that, when he returns.

Go catch cancer while you're at it.

From classy to super classy. You are really out to prove what a classy ZC you are. Yeah well, to the rest of the Fido world that is, I guess you already have your local followers secured.

Ah well, one duplicate net now appearing, after all that work with eliminating them while Janis was still in charge of zone 1.

Oh, BTW, I'm on LCHF, so I don't get cancer. Sorry to disappoint you once again. Maybe you'll get lucky, getting some though...?


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On 03 Nov 22 21:20:57, Bj*Rn Felten said the following to Nick Andre:

From classy to super classy. You are really out to prove what a classy you are. Yeah well, to the rest of the Fido world that is, I guess you alre have your local followers secured.

When my predecessor and her Troika disciples criticised the nodelist operation of your zone, they were rightfully told that it was none of their business.

So I'm just leading by Z2 example... nodelists are none of my business unless there are show-stopper mistakes that cannot be compiled. Since there are none here... I don't care.

I don't care to micromanage zone 1 RC's or tell others what to do. I just compile what I'm sent. Any intervention on my part would certainly result in you and VaginaLips whining that I'm "interfering with democracy" and "anti-American" even as you geniuses forget that I'm not American.

Nobody else in this zone cares about your zone or your nodelist. Nobody here has complained once about the style in which I wear the hat or how Ward wears his. Nice and quiet, no problems... so quiet I can hear screams of rape all
the way from Sweden.

The nodelist is compiled here properly and not using often-random segments my predecessor was notorious for... that you, Ward, Michiel, VaginaLips and even some here in this zone complained about for YEARS.

So fuck off...

Oh, BTW, I'm on LCHF, so I don't get cancer. Sorry to disappoint you onc again. Maybe you'll get lucky, getting some though...?

As I'm in a healthy early 40's, I take great pleasure in knowing at some
point - hopefully soon - you and some others of simular composure will eventually make your grand departure. And I will be alive to enjoy it.

Nick

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Hello Wilfred!

Thursday November 03 2022 18:05, you wrote to me:

Hi Vincent,

On 2022-11-03 14:44:42, you wrote to me:

How mature of you. So, no action regarding 23, mostly
defunct, nodelist entries by one single person then?

You are wrong, there is around half a dozen according to my
latest copy of the nodelist.

Look again:

# grep Barlow Z2DAILY.307 | wc -l
23

I have :

--
Zone,3,Australia_NZ_PNG,Sydney_NSW,Scott_Little,-Unpublished-,300
,CM,XX,INA
...

Well over 10 nodes !!

Why are you showing us the Zone 3 segment? What has that got to do
with any of the above?

Nuts that's my eye sight I read the 2 as Z.

Sorry.




Vincent

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Björn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-

So, no action by you to prevent a non-sysop sockpuppet from the bayou accessing Sysop-only echos on Fidonet from your BBS?

Correct. That's not in my job description.

Wrong. If you're a sysop, it's your responsibility to properly
configure your BBS to not allow non-sysops to access sysop-only echomail areas. Pretty basic stuff there, smart guy.

What *is* in that
description is coordinating the glue that keeps the smooth
operation of our network running, i.e. keeping the nodelist up to
date. Such as pointing our potential POFs, like dupe nets once
again appearing in our nodelist.

Regarding your comment just below... So, you're a glorified "clerk"
keeping a text file up to date. Wow, so much responsibility! You are
very important!

But being just a glorified point-op, not really running a BBS,
you are not supposed to know that, so please step aside and let
the real sysops keep communicating in this echo, that I, BTW
after a w/o years ago, once again is the moderator of.

I am running a BBS, with actual daily users, who are *NOT* my alter-ego sockpuppets. You know, quite different from your "BBS".

United we are strong, we win. Divided we are weak, we lose.

If you're talking about the EU here, yes, you are weak. You lost a long
time ago.

Learn how to properly configure your "BBS", n00b.


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On Thu, 3 Nov 2022 15:47:47 +0000
"Nick Andre" <nick.andre@1:229/426> wrote:

Go catch cancer while you're at it.

That is totally unnecessary.

I tolerate a lot of bullshit between certain parties in the echo, but
wishing cancer on someone is not acceptable.
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On 06 Nov 22 14:05:38, Nigel Reed said the following to All:

I tolerate a lot of bullshit between certain parties in the echo, but wishing cancer on someone is not acceptable.

I fail to see how that request is offensive unless one allows themselves to become offended.

Are there other arbitrary lines I'm not to venture outside of while the other side gets a free pass?

Nick

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31 Oct 2022 16:56, you wrote to All:

When and how did this happen? Both nets date back to the 1980s, and according to our Ukrainian Nodelist Server, both of them seem to have
been in the nodelist all this time:

Host,310,Vienna_Net,Vienna_A,Helmut_Renner

Host,310,Cheyenne_WY,Cheyenne_WY,Terry_Barlow,

Honestly I don't understand your question.

Yes, both nets where created in the late 80s, and they are the only "duplicate" ones that still remain.

BTW I asked here about it over a year ago...

Carlos

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Hello Carlos,

On Tuesday November 15 2022 17:38, you wrote to Björn Felten:

Host,310,Vienna_Net,Vienna_A,Helmut_Renner

Host,310,Cheyenne_WY,Cheyenne_WY,Terry_Barlow,

Honestly I don't understand your question.

Yes, both nets where created in the late 80s, and they are the only "duplicate" ones that still remain.

No, they are not the only two nets that remain. There was a time, IIRC some ten years ago that all duplates net were gone. I wrote a Fidonews article about it. Search te Fidonews archive. With my hat of FTSC chairman I urged all RC's to avoid creating duplicates wehen (re)creating new nets. That was ignored by RC 15 who recreated net 301 that already existed in region 31. :(


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15 Nov 2022 18:20, you wrote to me:

No, they are not the only two nets that remain. There was a time, IIRC some ten years ago that all duplates net were gone. I wrote a Fidonews article about it. Search te Fidonews archive. With my hat of FTSC
chairman I urged all RC's to avoid creating duplicates wehen
(re)creating new nets. That was ignored by RC 15 who recreated net 301 that already existed in region 31. :(

Oops. I hadn't noticed that NodeHist shows when a normal node was removed from the nodelist, but it doesn't for /0 entries. Net 1:310 was recreated in nodelist.363 (2017).

I'll look for your article, thanks.

Carlos

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15 Nov 2022 17:38, I wrote to you:

When and how did this happen? Both nets date back to the 1980s,
and according to our Ukrainian Nodelist Server, both of them seem
to have been in the nodelist all this time:

Host,310,Vienna_Net,Vienna_A,Helmut_Renner

Host,310,Cheyenne_WY,Cheyenne_WY,Terry_Barlow,

Honestly I don't understand your question.

I know understand... (thanks Michiel)

It happened in December 2017 - net 1:310 reappeared in nodelist.363.

Carlos

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Carlos,

It happened in December 2017 - net 1:310 reappeared in nodelist.363.

And I asked ZC1 very courteously to examine the matter and have that RC try something else now that.

That was however towards the end of Janis' tenure and while we had some understanding nothing happened.

Nick as new ZC1 settled-in. I may have or may not have in turn asked Nick to come-up with a solution, but I can't recall what happened and the matter scrolled off the screen.

\%/@rd

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15 Nov 2022 20:26, I wrote to you:

No, they are not the only two nets that remain. There was a time,
IIRC some ten years ago that all duplates net were gone. I wrote
a Fidonews article about it. Search te Fidonews archive. With my
hat of FTSC chairman I urged all RC's to avoid creating
duplicates wehen (re)creating new nets. That was ignored by RC 15
who recreated net 301 that already existed in region 31. :(

[...]

I'll look for your article, thanks.

Found it:

FidoNews Volume 26, Number 15 - 13 Apr 2009
Trimming the FidoNet hierarchy
http://eljaco.se/FILES/fnews/FNEWSQ15.ZIP

...and also, this one about regions:

FidoNews Volume 26, Number 16 - 20 Apr 2009
Trimming the FidoNet hierarchy
http://eljaco.se/FILES/fnews/FNEWSQ16.ZIP

Carlos

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Hello Carlos,

On Tuesday November 15 2022 22:20, you wrote to me:

I'll look for your article, thanks.

Found it:

[..]

...and also, this one about regions:

FidoNews Volume 26, Number 16 - 20 Apr 2009
Trimming the FidoNet hierarchy
http://eljaco.se/FILES/fnews/FNEWSQ16.ZIP

Those are releated, but it is not the one I meant. The article in question was written when there were no duplicate nets left. So it must be later than 20 april 2009.


Cheers, Michiel

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16 Nov 2022 10:22, you wrote to me:

Those are releated, but it is not the one I meant. The article in
question was written when there were no duplicate nets left. So it
must be later than 20 april 2009.

Cannot find it. And I suppose you don't mean the one about the NADS.

I only found some related messages in this echo from March 2014, in a thread about "Seen-by stripping". You commented about the demise of net 1:250 and asked RCs and NCs not to create existing nets and net/node combinations.

Carlos

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Hello Carlos,

On Thursday November 17 2022 20:53, you wrote to me:

Those are releated, but it is not the one I meant. The article in
question was written when there were no duplicate nets left. So
it must be later than 20 april 2009.

Cannot find it. And I suppose you don't mean the one about the NADS.

I can not find it either and no, I do not mean the one about NADS.

So either my notoriously unreliable memory fails me and I did not write the article or we just failed to find it.

I only found some related messages in this echo from March 2014, in a thread about "Seen-by stripping". You commented about the demise of
net 1:250 and asked RCs and NCs not to create existing nets and
net/node combinations.

Hmmm.. Maybe that was what I had in mind.


Cheers, Michiel

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Re: RE: Duplicate nets
By: Terry Roati to Lee Lofaso on Thu Nov 03 2022 09:23 am

Hi Lee,

On Nov 02, 2022 11:23pm, Lee Lofaso wrote to Dan Clough:

Sysops and probationary sysops are allowed, and should be allowed,
in all fidonet echoes. Got a problem with that, airhead?

Not true, I am a Zone 3 sysop so I have NO access to some Zone 1 or 2 echos and specific Region or Net echos only have access to those sysops in their o specific Region or Net echos.

If you need help or better understanding to become a Zone 1 Sysop I am sure there is help available.

Terry

... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!

Grin, true. I need to edit some setting here as RC13 wants them available on all our feeds. We consider it harmless if others see our minimal chatter.

xxcarol
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