• Hmmmm... Thinking again

    From Philip Lozier@1:267/169 to Alll on Sat Dec 24 23:56:22 2005
    Ya know... I am a registered 2.33ml owner, but these days it seems I only use the FM (editor) portion of FD.

    In the past, I was able to do just about the peek of what I thought was possible with FD, of course with the help of our infamous Mr. Lewis (almost an FD GOD), BUT, nowadays different ideas pop in that didn't exist before...

    With the different technologies for FidoNet that now exist I would like to continue (or should I say -make it primary again- other than the editor) to use
    FD for my Fido mailing purposes.

    I grasped real easy back in the day the IP conversion abilities of FD, and exchanged mail via telnet with FD and COM/IP with many people including Marc...
    It worked fantastic actually and I wish it would have become a standard rather than the way things went.

    WHat I need to know is, because I remeber some time ago the abilty to invoke external programs from FD, if there is a way according to a flag in the nodelist to invoke an external program (specificly BinkD by the IBN or INA flag) which will fire up the external to deliver that mail.

    The setup is FD 2.33ml with Fmail 1.60... IBN nodes defined have their mail put
    into a filebox via FMail, and delivered with BinkD. I would very much like to be able to have FD deliver what it can, while having others delivered via their
    required methods. I -think- that in theory this can be done from within FD but
    even after learning the greek of the FD admin and user manual fail to see a defined method.

    If anybody can help on this, I'd be grateful. Really would like to revert back to an FD total control node than kludging everyhting around.

    Phil

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Philip Lozier on Sun Jan 1 11:58:53 2006
    Philip Lozier wrote to Alll:

    In the past, I was able to do just about the peek of what I thought was possible with FD, of course with the help of our infamous Mr. Lewis (almost an FD GOD), BUT, nowadays different ideas pop in that didn't exist before...

    My mailer supports IBN, IFC and ITN:60177, so FD (or any ITN capable)
    nodes are always welcome to connect here. :)

    With the different technologies for FidoNet that now exist I would like to continue (or should I say -make it primary again- other than the editor) to use FD for my Fido mailing purposes.

    I think you could run the binkd daemon there along with FD. If you just
    add the nodes you want binkd to handle in your binkd.cfg it will only
    send those packets, it just wouldn't know what to do with the other
    stuff so it would leave it alone. Binkd uses the BinkleyStyleOutbound
    though, that could be difficult.

    I think Irex would be a solution, it can deal with FD's outbound. It
    would take some configuring so Irex would leave the stuff FD should
    handle alone but I think that's doable. You'd need to have Irex run
    from an event in FD and I can't remember how to do that but the folks
    in this echo could give us a clue. I did run Irex from BT in the past
    and it worked well.

    No solutions there, sorry.. but ideas.. :)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Philip Lozier on Sun Jan 1 12:14:29 2006
    Philip Lozier wrote to Alll:

    WHat I need to know is, because I remeber some time ago the abilty to invoke external programs from FD, if there is a way according to a flag in the nodelist to invoke an external program (specificly BinkD by the IBN or INA flag) which will fire up the external to deliver that mail.

    One thing just popped into my head, is some kind of a move utility
    available for FD? If so you could use it to move mail/files for
    certain nodes to another directory. Binkd has support for fileboxes,
    it'll send evertything in a certain directory to the node specified.
    That would be a reliable & cost free method to doing this I think.

    Getting closer to a solution.. :)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Gerald Miller@1:342/512 to Alan Ianson on Sun Jan 1 18:04:53 2006
    Hi Alan and Philip Lozier,

    On Sunday January 01 2006 at 11:58,
    Alan Ianson [1:153/757] wrote to Philip Lozier,
    about: Re: Hmmmm... Thinking again

    [snip]

    My mailer supports IBN, IFC and ITN:60177, so FD (or any ITN capable) nodes are always welcome to connect here. :)

    With the different technologies for FidoNet that now exist I would
    like to continue (or should I say -make it primary again- other
    than the editor) to use FD for my Fido mailing purposes.

    I think you could run the binkd daemon there along with FD. If you
    just add the nodes you want binkd to handle in your binkd.cfg it will
    only send those packets, it just wouldn't know what to do with the
    other stuff so it would leave it alone. Binkd uses the BinkleyStyleOutbound though, that could be difficult.

    I think Irex would be a solution, it can deal with FD's outbound. It
    would take some configuring so Irex would leave the stuff FD should
    handle alone but I think that's doable. You'd need to have Irex run
    from an event in FD and I can't remember how to do that but the folks
    in this echo could give us a clue. I did run Irex from BT in the past
    and it worked well.

    I just figured I'd throw my two cents into the "thinkin' pot"...

    Irex could be run from an event and it's likely possible to also run it
    from a batch / script file that is tied to a key (with errorlevel set in
    FD).

    Another suggestion: take a look at XRobot. It may hold some solutions for you... ??

    Cheers ... Gerald

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Gerald Miller on Mon Jan 2 15:09:22 2006
    Gerald Miller wrote to Alan Ianson:

    Hello Gerald,

    A very happy, prosperous and healthy new year to you & yours.. :)

    I just figured I'd throw my two cents into the "thinkin' pot"...

    Yep, it just a matter of flipping the bits. Finding the correct
    bits is the hard part.. :)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Alan Ianson on Fri Jan 6 15:23:24 2006
    WHat I need to know is, because I remeber some time ago the abilty to invoke external programs from FD, if there is a way according to a
    flag in the nodelist to invoke an external program (specificly
    BinkD by the IBN or INA flag) which will fire up the external to
    deliver that mail.

    One thing just popped into my head, is some kind of a move utility available for FD?

    yes, as well as a bit of simple .BAT file code... however, the one util checks flags and such and works with the STatic Queue (STQ)... however, i cannot remember if it was ever released to the public... i think so but will have to check a few things to be sure... i know that if it/they are in my files areas, then they were released... hopefully, they've not gone tripping somewhere and i've lost them...

    If so you could use it to move mail/files for
    certain nodes to another directory. Binkd has support for
    fileboxes, it'll send evertything in a certain directory to the
    node specified. That would be a reliable & cost free method to
    doing this I think.

    that is exactly how i run my FD/BinkD hybrid setup... fileboxes and special routings...

    )\/(ark


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to mark lewis on Fri Jan 6 16:29:39 2006
    mark lewis wrote to Alan Ianson:

    One thing just popped into my head, is some kind of a move utility available for FD?

    yes, as well as a bit of simple .BAT file code... however, the one util checks flags and such and works with the STatic Queue (STQ)... however, i cannot remember if it was ever released to the public... i think so but will have to check a few things to be sure... i know that if it/they are in my files areas, then they were released... hopefully, they've not gone tripping somewhere and i've lost them...

    I think there is one although I forget what it was called. I have a CD
    full of FD stuff if you need it.. I'm pretty sure it's on that CD, quite
    a few RAR self extractors.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Philip Lozier@1:267/169 to Alan Ianson on Sun Jan 8 00:48:40 2006

    My mailer supports IBN, IFC and ITN:60177, so FD (or any ITN
    capable)
    nodes are always welcome to connect here. :)

    Cool...

    With the different technologies for FidoNet that now exist I would like to PL>>
    continue (or should I say -make it primary again- other than the editor) PL>> to use FD for my Fido mailing purposes.

    I think you could run the binkd daemon there along with FD. If you
    just
    add the nodes you want binkd to handle in your binkd.cfg it will
    only
    send those packets, it just wouldn't know what to do with the other
    stuff so it would leave it alone. Binkd uses the
    BinkleyStyleOutbound
    though, that could be difficult.

    Yea... I know that... I used to do that. Now I just bypass FD altogether (except for using the editor which I refuse to give up :) and just let the tosser and BinkD do the work.


    I think Irex would be a solution, it can deal with FD's outbound.
    It
    would take some configuring so Irex would leave the stuff FD should
    handle alone but I think that's doable. You'd need to have Irex run
    from an event in FD and I can't remember how to do that but the
    folks
    in this echo could give us a clue. I did run Irex from BT in the
    past
    and it worked well.

    I tried that some time back as well. Rather than go through all of that there are other options that are "all in one", like Radius. I just hate the idea of never being able to use my beloved FD effectively again the way I -used- to in todays FidoNet. Putting it to bed would be like losing a lifelong freind.

    No solutions there, sorry.. but ideas.. :)

    Thanks for the input.

    Phil

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  • From Philip Lozier@1:267/169 to Alan Ianson on Sun Jan 8 00:53:30 2006
    One thing just popped into my head, is some kind of a move utility available for FD? If so you could use it to move mail/files for
    certain nodes to another directory. Binkd has support for
    fileboxes,
    it'll send evertything in a certain directory to the node
    specified.
    That would be a reliable & cost free method to doing this I think.

    Getting closer to a solution.. :)

    That is pretty much what I have been doing... I've have any nodes I wish to make direct contact with set up in FMail to put them in their own filebox, and BinkD does the rest. That is -somewhat- of a solution, but still lacks the ability to send to nodes flying nothing but IBN netmail based on nodelist info other than by routing it. I was hoping somebody may have figured out a way to "trick" FD into launching an external utility such as BinkD based on flags, even if it involved an FD to BSO conversion utility somewhere in between to make it all flow right... while still a kludge, a solution like that would actually make FD usable for years to come.

    Phil

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  • From Philip Lozier@1:267/169 to Gerald Miller on Sun Jan 8 00:57:46 2006
    I just figured I'd throw my two cents into the "thinkin' pot"...

    Irex could be run from an event and it's likely possible to also
    run it
    from a batch / script file that is tied to a key (with errorlevel
    set in
    FD).

    IRex will run from FD, but from what I tried with it a ways back it didn't do quite what I wanted. Maybe I'll look at it again as my experience with things has increased since then and I may be able to make it do what I want now... maybe.

    Another suggestion: take a look at XRobot. It may hold some
    solutions for you... ??

    Gonna google that in a minute and see what I can find out about it.

    Thanks for the input.

    Phil

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  • From Philip Lozier@1:267/169 to Alan Ianson on Sun Jan 8 00:59:08 2006
    A very happy, prosperous and healthy new year to you & yours.. :)

    I just figured I'd throw my two cents into the "thinkin' pot"...

    Yep, it just a matter of flipping the bits. Finding the correct
    bits is the hard part.. :)

    Ayup... and of course the documentation for FD doesn't make it any easier :) What a BEAST that has always been.

    Phil

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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Philip Lozier on Sun Jan 8 05:58:34 2006

    Gonna google that in a minute and see what I can find out about it.

    www.defsol.se

    In the file area, or you can telnet over here and grab it.

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  • From Philip Lozier@1:267/169 to T.J. Mcmillen on Sun Jan 8 14:43:14 2006

    Gonna google that in a minute and see what I can find out about it.

    www.defsol.se

    In the file area, or you can telnet over here and grab it.

    Ya know what? I haven't telneted to your board in probably over a year and a half... (don;t know why, just stopped telneting for awhile)
    so... I think I'll do that :)

    Phil

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