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    From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Alexander Koryagin on Thu May 12 00:23:20 2022
    Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to have atomic
    weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of nuclear stations was able
    to make nukes rather quickly.

    Ukraine did and could easily have nuclear weapons agian. They have the tecknology.

    They gave up their nuclear weapons. Russia guaranteed them that they would not be invaded. Are you getting the picture?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Alexander Koryagin on Thu May 12 00:30:44 2022
    The present neo-Nazi authority of some states literally raped the holy
    memory of the fallen soldiers. They demolish and vandalize monuments,

    Every nation can put up or take down monuments as they please. Even here in Canada we have been taking down old monuments that were once venerated.

    they glorify those who collaborated with Hitler troops.

    They do not. You are wrong. You have been misled.

    The dislike of Russia a swinish, miserable excuse. The matter is not in the present day Russia.

    Russia is going to be disliked for a long time into the future because of what it has done and is doing. The degree to which depends on how this ends.

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Alan Ianson on Fri May 13 10:27:10 2022

    Hi, Alan Ianson! - > Alexander Koryagin
    I read your message from 12.05.2022 09:30

    The present neo-Nazi authority of some states literally raped the
    holy memory of the fallen soldiers. They demolish and vandalize
    monuments,

    Every nation can put up or take down monuments as they please. Even
    here in Canada we have been taking down old monuments that were
    once venerated.

    The memory of the soldiers who fought with Hitler is holy if you know who Hitler was and what he did.

    they glorify those who collaborated with Hitler troops.
    They do not. You are wrong. You have been misled.

    Of course the news that Ukrainian authority made of them (Bandera for instance) national heroes don't appear in your "objective" media. ;-\

    The dislike of Russia a swinish, miserable excuse. The matter is
    not in the present day Russia.

    Russia is going to be disliked for a long time into the future
    because of what it has done and is doing. The degree to which
    depends on how this ends.

    Russia and the USSR in WW2 is not the same thing.

    Bye, Alan!
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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Alan Ianson on Fri May 13 10:31:42 2022

    Hi, Alan Ianson! -> Alexander Koryagin
    I read your message from 12.05.2022 09:23

    Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to have
    atomic weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of nuclear
    stations was able to make nukes rather quickly.

    Ukraine did and could easily have nuclear weapons agian. They have
    the tecknology.

    They gave up their nuclear weapons. Russia guaranteed them that
    they would not be invaded. Are you getting the picture?

    Ukraine did whatever in it force to escalate the situation and it managed to do it.

    Bye, Alan!
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Alexander Koryagin on Fri May 13 01:43:32 2022
    The memory of the soldiers who fought with Hitler is holy if you know who Hitler was and what he did.

    We remember our lost soldier also. It is not holy but we do not forget.

    I am no expert but I have a good idea of hitler and what the nazi's did.

    Of course the news that Ukrainian authority made of them (Bandera for instance national heroes don't appear in your "objective" media. ;-\

    They are not nazi's. There were nazi's amongst them around 2014 but that does not make them nazi's.

    Ukraine is not a nazi state and neither is the Azov battalion.

    Russia is going to be disliked for a long time into the future
    because of what it has done and is doing. The degree to which
    depends on how this ends.

    Russia and the USSR in WW2 is not the same thing.

    That is true. In any case Russia will be hated for what it is doing today.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Alexander Koryagin on Fri May 13 01:45:38 2022
    Ukraine did whatever in it force to escalate the situation and it managed to do it.

    That is wrong. That is taken from your state media TV, something like a soap opera. It is disconnected from reality.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alexander Koryagin on Fri May 13 19:00:53 2022
    Hi, Alan Ianson! -> Alexander Koryagin
    I read your message from 12.05.2022 09:23

    Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to have
    atomic weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of nuclear
    stations was able to make nukes rather quickly.

    Ukraine did and could easily have nuclear weapons agian. They have the tecknology.

    Nobody should have to send their family to Poland & then have to sit home and try to defend their apartment from Russian military. That policy sucks and Zelenski needs to figure out something better. I hope that people keep a close eye on what happens to the aid that genius Biden keeps sending to him.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Sun May 15 14:31:32 2022
    Hello Aaron,

    Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to have
    atomic weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of nuclear
    stations was able to make nukes rather quickly.
    Ukraine did and could easily have nuclear weapons agian.
    They have
    the tecknology.

    Nobody should have to send their family to Poland & then have to sit home
    and
    try to defend their apartment from Russian military. That policy sucks and >Zelenski needs to figure out something better. I hope that people keep a
    close eye on what happens to the aid that genius Biden keeps sending to
    him.

    Had Russia not attempted to invade Ukraine nobody would have had
    to flee for their lives. Even though Russia was partially successful
    in reference to Crimea, their stay will not be for much longer.

    And your solution is to elect Donald Trump in 2024 so he can deny
    Ukraine from receiving arms in which to defend itself from Russia?

    My, my. What a gift to Vladimir Putin that would be.

    Of course, raising the Russian flag over the White House would be
    Trump's dream come true. Too bad the American people refuse to let
    him do that.

    Remember, you are talking about the same guy who attempted to
    blackmail the Ukrainian president into submission to Putin - just
    before the US presidential election.

    How did that work out for him? Biden thumped Trump, by over
    7 million votes, in the presidential election. And Zelensky remains
    president of Ukraine, defending his country and his people.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Sun May 15 20:17:31 2022
    Had Russia not attempted to invade Ukraine nobody would have had
    to flee for their lives. Even though Russia was partially successful
    in reference to Crimea, their stay will not be for much longer.

    You can't blame Putin for Zelenski's mistreatment of his people. When Biden makes us defend our homes against the Russian military, you will not be
    blaming Putin.

    And your solution is to elect Donald Trump in 2024 so he can deny
    Ukraine from receiving arms in which to defend itself from Russia?

    Why are you still expecting a Russian/Ukrainian conflict by 2024? Is that how much confidence you have in these losers?

    The solution to the conflict isn't Trump; it's surrender. Ukraine already lost the war when they lost civilian lives. That was clue #999 that it was time to surrender. It's Zelenski and Biden who are causing all of this, and Putin is just a criminal without a care in the world.

    How did that work out for him? Biden thumped Trump, by over
    7 million votes, in the presidential election. And Zelensky remains president of Ukraine, defending his country and his people.

    DEFENDING? He's doing a terrible job! The people who got blown up inside their apartments wished they had taken cover wherever that bastard Zelenski is hiding.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sun May 15 15:38:10 2022
    You can't blame Putin for Zelenski's mistreatment of his people. When Biden makes us defend our homes against the Russian military, you will not be blaming Putin.

    No you can't. If Zelensky was mistreating his people they wouldn't stand by him the way they do, they would stand behind your Putin.

    Why are you still expecting a Russian/Ukrainian conflict by 2024? Is that how much confidence you have in these losers?

    The conflict in Ukraine has been ongoing since 2014 supported by your Putin again.

    The solution to the conflict isn't Trump; it's surrender.

    The Ukrainian people seem to to disagree with you.

    If they had surrendered where do you think they would be now?

    Ukraine already lost the war when they lost civilian lives.

    That is the result of Russias actions. They are fighting for their country and families.

    That was clue #999 that it was time to surrender. It's Zelenski and Biden
    who are causing all of this,

    No, it is Russia that caused all of this.

    and Putin is just a criminal without a care in the world.

    I think Putin has plenty of cares these days although it is not the people of Russia. He is caring about where his next super yacht ride is coming from.

    DEFENDING? He's doing a terrible job! The people who got blown up inside their apartments wished they had taken cover wherever that bastard Zelenski is hiding.

    What has he done so terrible?

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Lee Lofaso on Mon May 16 14:49:44 2022
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 15.05.2022 14:31

    LL> Had Russia not attempted to invade Ukraine nobody would have had
    LL> ??to flee for their lives. Even though Russia was partially
    LL> successful in reference to Crimea, their stay will not be for
    LL> much longer. And your solution is to elect Donald Trump in 2024
    LL> so he can deny Ukraine from receiving arms in which to defend
    LL> itself from Russia?

    I am busy for a while at my work, so I'll answer in a short way and give
    you some food for thought ;). The people in America and Europe first
    should understand a simple thing -- if somebody does such a big and
    risky invasion there should be a great reason for it. If you had
    understood that great reason a bit earlier you could do a lot to prevent
    a present day havoc.

    Bye, Lee!
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Mon May 16 15:05:17 2022
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 13.05.2022 11:43

    AI>>> Russia and the USSR in WW2 is not the same thing.
    AI> That is true. In any case Russia will be hated for what it is
    AI> doing today.

    Leave Russia alone. Those bastards who demolish the monuments to those
    who defeated Hitler are openly declare who are their heroes. Disliking
    Russia is a very poor justification and miserable disguise for memory desecrators. Ukraine, Poland, Baltic states all are ruled by neo-Nazi.
    The only reason why many in Europe don't note it is the anti-Russian
    policy of the mentioned states.

    Bye, Alan!
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Mon May 16 15:55:52 2022
    DEFENDING? He's doing a terrible job! The people who got blown up inside their apartments wished they had taken cover wherever that bastard Zelen is hiding.

    What has he done so terrible?

    Zelenski is putting women and children on trains to leave the country, and he's forcing civilian men to remain in Ukraine and to fight the Russian military.

    The media has you trained to take sides with their preferred winner, and
    anyone who disagrees is a "Putin pal." Putin is a bad guy, but his "badness"
    is a distraction and big hero Zelenski is making the invasion more bloody and painful than it needs to be, at the expense of Ukranian families.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to alexander koryagin on Mon May 16 20:56:37 2022
    Hello Alexander,

    Had Russia not attempted to invade Ukraine nobody would have had
    to flee for their lives. Even though Russia was partially
    successful in reference to Crimea, their stay will not be for
    much longer. And your solution is to elect Donald Trump in 2024
    so he can deny Ukraine from receiving arms in which to defend
    itself from Russia?

    I am busy for a while at my work, so I'll answer in a short way and give you
    some food for thought ;). The people in America and Europe first should understand a simple thing -- if somebody does such a big and risky invasion there should be a great reason for it. If you had understood that great reason a bit earlier you could do a lot to prevent a present day havoc.

    Neo-cons convinced GWB to invade Iraq because the "Butcher of Bagdad"
    was a bad guy and had to go. GWB gave every excuse in the book he could
    think of as "reasons" to do so, but could show no evidence to support
    his wild claims. Nonetheless, GWB ordered the invasion, and it was all
    done. The first time in history the USA had been the aggressor in any
    war.

    What would be the result if neo-cons had convinced GWB to take out
    the leader of North Korea? Or the mullahs of Iran? I think we all know
    the answer to those questions.

    What do neocons seek to accomplish in this Ukraine/Russia conflict?
    Which side is the real aggressor? If the neocons goal is to weaken
    Russia so it would no longer be a threat to others, then the answer
    should be obvious to all ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to alexander koryagin on Mon May 16 20:56:49 2022
    Hello Alexander,

    Russia and the USSR in WW2 is not the same thing.
    That is true. In any case Russia will be hated for what it is
    doing today.

    Leave Russia alone. Those bastards who demolish the monuments to those who
    defeated Hitler are openly declare who are their heroes. Disliking Russia
    is a very poor justification and miserable disguise for memory desecrators. Ukraine, Poland, Baltic states all are ruled by neo-Nazi. The only reason
    why many in Europe don't note it is the anti-Russian policy of the
    mentioned states.

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/
    zelensky-world-war-iii/


    There are others who also agree with that view. How easily the world
    forgets when not reminded of even the recent past ...

    --Lee

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Mon May 16 12:35:08 2022
    That is true. In any case Russia will be hated for what it is
    doing today.

    Leave Russia alone.

    No one is interfering with Russia.

    Those bastards who demolish the monuments to those who defeated Hitler are openly declare who are their heroes.

    What monument has been taken down?

    I know that there was some kind of monument taken down in Kyiv recently that was something about the friendship between Russia and Ukraine. That is not about Hitler. That was because of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I think that ended the friendship between Russia and Ukraine.

    Disliking Russia is a very poor justification and miserable disguise for memory desecrators. Ukraine, Poland, Baltic states all are ruled by
    neo-Nazi.

    That is Russian proaganda that your state run TV portrays. It is untrue. Ukraine, Poland and the baltic state are not neo-nazi.

    The only reason why many in Europe don't note it is the anti-Russian
    policy of the mentioned states.

    There is no anti-Russian policy. People generally (around the world) don't like what Russia has done/is doing in Ukraine. That is not a policy.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Mon May 16 12:39:30 2022
    Zelenski is putting women and children on trains to leave the country, and he's forcing civilian men to remain in Ukraine and to fight the Russian military.

    That is not Zelensky. That is an old law on the books. That would have happened regrdless of who the leader of Ukraine happens to be.

    You might have something similar in Russia.

    The media has you trained to take sides with their preferred winner, and anyone who disagrees is a "Putin pal."

    The media doesn't decide anything for me.

    Putin is a bad guy, but his "badness" is a distraction and big hero Zelenski is making the invasion more bloody and painful than it needs to be, at the expense of Ukranian families.

    You are right, Putin is pure evil. It is Russia who invaded Ukraine and Russia who is responsible for what happened/is happening there.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tue May 17 01:04:05 2022
    Hello Aaron,

    [..]

    What has he done so terrible?

    Zelenski is putting women and children on trains to leave the country, and
    he's forcing civilian men to remain in Ukraine and to fight the Russian military.

    I hate to bust your bubble, big guy, but there is a war going on.
    Zelensky is their president, and doing the job he was elected to do.

    The media has you trained to take sides with their preferred winner, and
    anyone who disagrees is a "Putin pal."

    Zelensky needs all the help he can get, as his country (and people)
    is under attack by a hostile power.

    Putin is a bad guy, but his "badness" is a distraction and big hero Zelenski
    is making the invasion more bloody and painful than it needs to be, at the expense of Ukranian families.

    Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland ... all sacrificed without a shot
    to Hitler's Nazi Germany so there could be peace in Europe. Why not
    have the entire world wave a big white flag in front of Putin's
    bloated face so there could be peace for everyone?

    --Lee

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Lee Lofaso on Tue May 17 16:08:38 2022
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 16.05.2022 20:56

    LL>>> Had Russia not attempted to invade Ukraine nobody would have had
    LL>>> to flee for their lives. Even though Russia was partially
    LL>>> successful in reference to Crimea, their stay will not be for
    LL>>> much longer. And your solution is to elect Donald Trump in 2024
    LL>>> so he can deny Ukraine from receiving arms in which to defend
    LL>>> itself from Russia?

    ak>> I am busy for a while at my work, so I'll answer in a short way
    ak>> and give you some food for thought ;). The people in America and
    ak>> Europe first should understand a simple thing -- if somebody does
    ak>> such a big and risky invasion there should be a great reason for
    ak>> it. If you had understood that great reason a bit earlier you
    ak>> could do a lot to prevent a present day havoc.

    LL> Neo-cons convinced GWB to invade Iraq because the "Butcher of
    LL> Bagdad" was a bad guy and had to go. GWB gave every excuse in the
    LL> book he could think of as "reasons" to do so, but could show no
    LL> evidence to support his wild claims. Nonetheless, GWB ordered the
    LL> invasion, and it was all done. The first time in history the USA
    LL> had been the aggressor in any war.

    I think Iraq was attacked because it threatened Israel and the latter
    did the job by by someone else's hands.

    LL> What would be the result if neo-cons had convinced GWB to take out
    LL> the leader of North Korea? Or the mullahs of Iran? I think we all
    LL> know the answer to those questions.

    The war this Iran again depends on Israel. ;-) North Korea it seems is
    too far away. ;-)

    LL> What do neocons seek to accomplish in this Ukraine/Russia conflict?

    It seems one aim is obvious -- the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists should
    leave Russians in Ukraine alone. Ukraine should be a two-nation state.
    Well, such a scenario could have been if they have some brains some time
    ago. No they can lose more.

    LL> Which side is the real aggressor? If the neocons goal is to weaken
    LL> Russia so it would no longer be a threat to others, then the answer
    LL> should be obvious to all...

    In this case the role of Israel took the US. And it tries to do as many
    damage to Russia as it could. Although Russia did not ask anything supernatural to ignore it so blatantly. I mean the Ukraine politicians.

    Bye, Lee!
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Tue May 17 16:53:20 2022
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 16.05.2022 22:35

    ak>> Those bastards who demolish the monuments to those who defeated
    ak>> Hitler are openly declare who are their heroes.

    AI> What monument has been taken down?

    For the last 8 years there have been demolished hundreds of monuments to
    Red Army soldiers who saved the world from German Nazi. Everyday many monuments are vandalized, the veteran Hitlerite collaborators are now
    proudly march along the streets in Ukraine and Baltic states. The
    current authority of this states discriminates everything connected with Russian people.

    AI> I know that there was some kind of monument taken down in Kyiv
    AI> recently that was something about the friendship between Russia and
    AI> Ukraine. That is not about Hitler. That was because of the Russian
    AI> invasion of Ukraine. I think that ended the friendship between
    AI> Russia and Ukraine.

    You think too good about them, and it is not your guilt that you know
    nothing about the war with Red Army WW2 monuments.

    ak>> Disliking Russia is a very poor justification and miserable
    ak>> disguise for memory desecrators. Ukraine, Poland, Baltic states
    ak>> all are ruled by neo-Nazi.

    AI> That is Russian proaganda that your state run TV portrays. It is
    AI> untrue. Ukraine, Poland and the baltic state are not neo-nazi.

    Every of these states has a policy when a particular nation
    discriminates other nations. Once when you declare your country is for
    one "correct" nation only you are a Nazi. Every nation should have equal rights in every country of the world.

    ak>> The only reason why many in Europe don't note it is the anti-
    ak>> Russian policy of the mentioned states.

    AI> There is no anti-Russian policy. People generally (around the
    AI> world) don't like what Russia has done/is doing in Ukraine. That is
    AI> not a policy.

    The most indicative is the fact that they have not been so anxious for
    the last 8 years of the Donbass siege. The coup in Kiev in 2014 was
    directed against Russia and it was an indulgence to whatever neo-Nazi
    did in Donbass.

    PS: Are you an Ukrainian?

    Bye, Alan!
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Tue May 17 13:04:54 2022
    Putin is a bad guy, but his "badness" is a distraction and big hero Zelen
    is making the invasion more bloody and painful than it needs to be, at t expense of Ukranian families.

    Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland ... all sacrificed without a shot
    to Hitler's Nazi Germany so there could be peace in Europe. Why not
    have the entire world wave a big white flag in front of Putin's
    bloated face so there could be peace for everyone?

    Not the whole world, just the countries under media control (Ukraine, USA, Canada) are the ones who should surrender. Once you give someone (media CEOs) an ounce of control, they develop a taste for it.

    Joe Biden is the "leader of the free world." He should try to negotiate a
    peace treaty between Ukraine & Russia, but he's more focused on elections
    right now. A loss of power (for Democrats) would be worse than thousands of civilian casualties in Ukraine (to Democrats.)

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Tue May 17 11:43:38 2022
    Not the whole world, just the countries under media control (Ukraine, USA, Canada) are the ones who should surrender.

    Media control? How so?

    If you and/or your family was attacked would you simply surrender?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Tue May 17 20:01:16 2022
    If you and/or your family was attacked would you simply surrender?

    I would have surrendered ahead of time. I'm not military-grade. When the Russian army decides to set up camp along a USA border, I'll know that it's time to leave as quickly as possible. Life is worth more than my house and whatever items I can't fit in my car.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Tue May 17 23:00:08 2022
    If you and/or your family was attacked would you simply surrender?

    I would have surrendered ahead of time. I'm not military-grade. When the Russian army decides to set up camp along a USA border, I'll know that it's time to leave as quickly as possible.

    There are now more than 6,000,000 refugee's from Ukraine mostly in neighboring countries and another more than 6,000,000 displaced within Ukraine.

    Many people don't have the $ to travel or a place to go so they stay where they are.

    Life is worth more than my house and whatever items I can't fit in my car.

    You are right and that is why the Ukrainian people fight a war they did not choose. They were not given a choice by the leaders of Russia. The Ukrainian people are in their own territory. Ukraine is a soverign nation.

    Russia's claims of nazis is entirely false. This is not WW2.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Wed May 18 13:42:03 2022
    Russia's claims of nazis is entirely false. This is not WW2.

    What about Russia's claims of biolabs in Ukraine? Do you think it's wise to just dismiss that as "Russian disinformation?" I don't agree with Ukranian civilians being killed, but if Putin uncovers an unauthorized bio lab, then
    the invasion will be justifiable.

    How do you feel about guys like Dr Fauci mutating viruses, causing millions of deaths worldwide, only to be defended by Biden, the president who says "Let's not investigate the origins of covid because we've got better things to do?"

    Zelenski could be another Biden (or worse.) Covering up for the scientists who bring prosperity to the World Economic Forum.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Wed May 18 10:28:28 2022
    What about Russia's claims of biolabs in Ukraine? Do you think it's wise to just dismiss that as "Russian disinformation?"

    There are biolabs in Ukraine. They are not new, they have been there since Ukraine's time in the soviet union.

    A biolab is not necessarily a bad thing depending on what they are doing.

    I don't agree with Ukranian civilians being killed, but if Putin uncovers an unauthorized bio lab, then the invasion will be justifiable.

    The biolab story is just that, a story. The invasion of Ukraine is unjustifiable.

    How do you feel about guys like Dr Fauci mutating viruses, causing millions of deaths worldwide, only to be defended by Biden, the president who says "Let's not investigate the origins of covid because we've got better things to do?"

    Where do you get the idea that Dr. Fauci is causing millions of deaths?

    Dr. Fauci has done a good job of explaining the benefits of masks, social distancing and vaccines (when they became available) to the public.

    Zelenski could be another Biden (or worse.) Covering up for the scientists who bring prosperity to the World Economic Forum.

    Do you have any proof that Zelenski is another Biden (or worse)?

    Prosperity is a good thing. I hope that all citizens of the world will prosper in health and quality of life, whereever they are.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Wed May 18 19:52:57 2022
    What about Russia's claims of biolabs in Ukraine? Do you think it's wise just dismiss that as "Russian disinformation?"

    There are biolabs in Ukraine. They are not new, they have been there
    since Ukraine's time in the soviet union.

    A biolab is not necessarily a bad thing depending on what they are doing.

    I don't agree with Ukranian civilians being killed, but if Putin uncover unauthorized bio lab, then the invasion will be justifiable.

    The biolab story is just that, a story. The invasion of Ukraine is unjustifiable.

    But you just said that the labs are "nothing new" and then a couple lines
    after that you said "the biolab story is just a story." Which spinoff of the media's lies are you committed to?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Wed May 18 18:44:56 2022
    The biolab story is just that, a story. The invasion of Ukraine is
    unjustifiable.

    But you just said that the labs are "nothing new" and then a couple lines after that you said "the biolab story is just a story." Which spinoff of the media's lies are you committed to?

    I am not trying to spin something into something it is not.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Thu May 19 11:12:50 2022
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 17.05.2022 21:43

    ??>>> Not the whole world, just the countries under media
    ??>>> control (Ukraine, USA,
    ??>> >Canada) are the ones who should surrender.
    AI> Media control? How so?
    AI> If you and/or your family was attacked would you simply
    AI> surrender?

    The thesis that Russian troops enter Ukraine to eat civilians, make them slaves, put into detention camps etc is wrong. Any civilians are safe
    until some guys set up machine-guns in their houses. So called
    "defenders" appeared to be the main danger for them. But it explicable
    easily -- all the "defended" areas had a pro-Russian population. They
    could greet Russian troop unless the Ukrainians with right national orientation "defend" them.

    Bye, Alan!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido.debate 2022
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Thu May 19 05:28:46 2022
    The thesis that Russian troops enter Ukraine to eat civilians, make them slaves, put into detention camps etc is wrong. Any civilians are safe
    until some guys set up machine-guns in their houses. So called
    "defenders" appeared to be the main danger for them. But it explicable
    easily -- all the "defended" areas had a pro-Russian population. They
    could greet Russian troop unless the Ukrainians with right national orientation "defend" them.

    No one ever said that Russian troops were going to eat civilians. It is clear as a bell now what Russian has done and wants to do in Ukraine.

    Russia is not defenders in Ukraine. They are invaders and occupiers.

    What Russia has done in Ukraine is unconscionable, and undefendable.

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