Hello Everybody,

Should welfare recipients be sterilized as a condition to
remain on welfare? If so, who would pay for such a procedure?
Not even insurance companies provide such coverage for working
folks. Conservatives seem to like the idea, even going so far
as to make it a new publicly-funded government program ...

--Lee

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On 11-08-14 23:03, Lee Lofaso wrote to All <=-

Should welfare recipients be sterilized as a condition to
remain on welfare? If so, who would pay for such a procedure?
Not even insurance companies provide such coverage for working
folks. Conservatives seem to like the idea, even going so far
as to make it a new publicly-funded government program ...

They're not scientists when it comes to climate change but they certainly are doctors when it comes to genitals... and not their own.

Publically funded?? Thought they wanted smaller government??


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On 11/8/2014 17:03, Lee Lofaso -> All wrote:

Hello Everybody,

Should welfare recipients be sterilized as a condition to
remain on welfare?

No; But They should not be given one more penny IF they have a child AFTER they
are already on welfare. If you can't support a kid on your own (or with a partner), don't have one and expect society to pay for it.

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Should welfare recipients be sterilized as a condition to
remain on welfare? If so, who would pay for such a
procedure? Not even insurance companies provide such
coverage for working folks. Conservatives seem to like the
idea, even going so far as to make it a new publicly-funded
government program ...

Since those on welfare have tended to be on it for a reasonably
short time over the last couple decades, and that long predates
the 1995 welfare deform act, it would be absurd to make such a
permanent change for a temporary situation.

OTOH, if you count everyone who get some benefit from the govt,
then you have a setup for revolution.

Sterilization has, in the past, been a prescription for those
not liked by those in power. Let that become law and you can see
the revolution bloom.

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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Hello John,

Should welfare recipients be sterilized as a condition to
remain on welfare?

No;

David Duke thought it was good idea. Many other Americans agreed
with him, electing him (as a Republican) to Congress. He then went
on to make the runoff for governor of Louisiana, but was easily
defeated by (Democrat) Edwin Edwards, who made race and welfare a
major part of his campaign. :)

But They should not be given one more penny IF they have a child AFTER

they

are already on welfare.

I don't see why not. By refusing to help mothers, society would be
punishing the children. And that would hardly be sporting for a society
that claims to be fair ...

If you can't support a kid on your own (or with a partner), don't have

one

and expect society to pay for it.

Society cannot legislate morality. Nor should it even try. People
will continue doing whatever people want to do, regardless of what
others might think or want them to do. Your set of values may be far
different from somebody else's set of values. But does that make
your set of values any better than theirs, or theirs any better than
yours?

We are an immigrant peoples, coming from many lands. Different
cultures, races, ethnicities, you name it. This land of ours is
not a one-size-fits-all. What is acceptable in one culture might
not be acceptable in another culture. But society and culture
are two different things.

Every country in the world has some form of welfare. Bill Clinton
was right when he said we should not end welfare, but fix it. The
problem is, his solution was too shortsighted, along with those in
Congress. What we needed to do was expand what we had rather than
gut it.

Women will continue to get pregnant and make babies for as long
as women are in this world. And one of these days medical science
is going to find a way for men to do the same.

If we refuse to give women what they want, there will be riots
in America. And that would not be good for you, or me, or anybody
else. Well, except maybe for those who are rioting ...

--Lee

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On 11/15/2014 12:10, Lee Lofaso -> John Massey wrote:

Hello John,

Should welfare recipients be sterilized as a condition to
remain on welfare?

No;

David Duke thought it was good idea. Many other Americans agreed
with him, electing him (as a Republican) to Congress. He then went
on to make the runoff for governor of Louisiana, but was easily
defeated by (Democrat) Edwin Edwards, who made race and welfare a
major part of his campaign. :)

That is true. But has nothing to do with me. Why bring it up?

But They should not be given one more penny IF they have a child

AFTER they

are already on welfare.

I don't see why not.

I know you don't. I also know it is pointless to try and discuss it with you.

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Greetings Lee!

David Duke thought it was good idea. Many other Americans agreed
with him, electing him (as a Republican) to Congress. He then went
on to make the runoff for governor of Louisiana, but was easily
defeated by (Democrat) Edwin Edwards, who made race and welfare a
major part of his campaign. :)

Was Edward's first name Dorothy, before the sex change operation?

Have a day!

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Hello Bob,

Should welfare recipients be sterilized as a condition to
remain on welfare? If so, who would pay for such a
procedure? Not even insurance companies provide such
coverage for working folks. Conservatives seem to like the
idea, even going so far as to make it a new publicly-funded
government program ...

Since those on welfare have tended to be on it for a reasonably
short time over the last couple decades, and that long predates
the 1995 welfare deform act,

It was 1996 when President Clinton signed it into law.

it would be absurd to make such a permanent change for a temporary situation.

That temporary situation is usually a period of less than
two years. But once sterilized, it won't matter if they get
back on welfare, as conservatives will have already gotten
what they wanted.

See how that works? Conservatives never come out and tell
you exactly what they want. At least in the South such folks
are more honest, with racists putting a confederate flag in
their front yard showing everybody what they think.

OTOH, if you count everyone who get some benefit from the govt,
then you have a setup for revolution.

Everybody wants to get a free lunch. Not just you and me.
But how much in life is truly free? And how much, if anything,
is anybody entitled to?

The way I look at things, the world owes me a living. I tell
that to people, and they look at me cock-eyed. But it's true.
The economy is for the person, not the other way around.

Sterilization has, in the past, been a prescription for those
not liked by those in power. Let that become law and you can see
the revolution bloom.

Such ideas were popular in the USA in the days prior to and
during WWII. When our soldiers returned home from Europe, we
had a change of heart and put those ideas of eugenics aside.

Strange how history works. We gave Germans an idea. Then
Germans used that idea to create a monster. Then we bury our
idea and hope nobody notices. And then somebody in America
digs it up and presents it as a new idea.

--Lee

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Hello John,

Should welfare recipients be sterilized as a condition to
remain on welfare?

No;

David Duke thought it was good idea. Many other Americans agreed
with him, electing him (as a Republican) to Congress. He then went
on to make the runoff for governor of Louisiana, but was easily
defeated by (Democrat) Edwin Edwards, who made race and welfare a
major part of his campaign. :)

That is true. But has nothing to do with me. Why bring it up?

David Duke is a Republican. David Duke won election to Congress
as a Republican. David Duke claims his ideas represent the ideas
of all Republicans, and that his ideas are the basic foundation
of the Republican Party (as it exists today).

In order to repudiate David Duke, you would have to also repudiate
the Republican Party. Are you willing to do that?

But They should not be given one more penny IF they have JM>a child AFTER

they are already on welfare.

I don't see why not.

I know you don't.

There are planned, and unplanned, pregnancies.
There are wanted, and unwanted, babies.

Those who claim to be pro-life say that abortion
is murder, while also at the same time being in favor
of the death penalty for inmates on life row.

Who has the right to play God? Does anybody have
the right to tell a woman she has to get rid of her
own unborn child because society refuses to pay for
what society says is a mistake?

Why do rich folks get a pass while poor folks
always get the blame? Guess who gets the most
abortions in America? Oh, but those little
morning after pills rich folks buy at the corner
drug store don't count. And all them rich folks
on life row? There are none. Lots of black
folk. But no rich folk.

I also know it is pointless to try and discuss it with you.

Lemme see if I got this right.

You are against welfare.

That being the case -

What are you for?

--Lee

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...

Everybody wants to get a free lunch. Not just you and me.
But how much in life is truly free? And how much, if
anything, is anybody entitled to?

Surely he who is worthy to receive his days and his nights is
worthy of all else from you.

The way I look at things, the world owes me a living. I
tell that to people, and they look at me cock-eyed. But
it's true. The economy is for the person, not the other way
around.

Hmmm...you are sounding like the pope. Actually, the last couple
popes. Don't let it go to your head.

Strange how history works. We gave Germans an idea. Then
Germans used that idea to create a monster. Then we bury
our idea and hope nobody notices. And then somebody in
America digs it up and presents it as a new idea.

What goes around sometimes has to be dug up to come around.


BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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Hello Bob,

Everybody wants to get a free lunch. Not just you and me.
But how much in life is truly free? And how much, if
anything, is anybody entitled to?

Surely he who is worthy to receive his days and his nights is
worthy of all else from you.

"Each according to his needs." - The Rule of Democrats
"Each according to his wants." - The Rule of Republicans

"The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want." - Bernie Sanders

The way I look at things, the world owes me a living. I
tell that to people, and they look at me cock-eyed. But
it's true. The economy is for the person, not the other way
around.

Hmmm...you are sounding like the pope. Actually, the last couple
popes. Don't let it go to your head.

The pope is sounding more and more like an American.

Strange how history works. We gave Germans an idea. Then
Germans used that idea to create a monster. Then we bury
our idea and hope nobody notices. And then somebody in
America digs it up and presents it as a new idea.

What goes around sometimes has to be dug up to come around.

Give a dog a bone and hope it stays buried?

This old man he played one
He played knick knack on his thumb
With a knick knack paddy whack give a dog a bone
This old man came rolling home.

This old man he played two ...
This old man he played three ...
This old man he played four ...

Not gonna happen. No matter how
many times you try to bury something,
it will come rolling home.

--Lee

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...

But how much in life is truly free? And how much, if
anything, is anybody entitled to?

Surely he who is worthy to receive his days and his nights is
worthy of all else from you.

"Each according to his needs." - The Rule of Democrats
"Each according to his wants." - The Rule of Republicans

"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his
needs." - Acts of the Apostles

"The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want." - Bernie
Sanders

...

it's true. The economy is for the person, not the other way
around.

Hmmm...you are sounding like the pope. Actually, the last couple
popes. Don't let it go to your head.

The pope is sounding more and more like an American.

Technically he is, South American.

...

somebody in America digs it up and presents it as a new
idea.

What goes around sometimes has to be dug up to come around.

Give a dog a bone and hope it stays buried?

If it's a republican bone it will just keep dogging you.

Not gonna happen. No matter how
many times you try to bury something,
it will come rolling home.

True.


BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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