• Sterilizing Welfare Moms

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Sat Nov 8 23:03:23 2014
    Hello Everybody,

    Should welfare recipients be sterilized as a condition to
    remain on welfare? If so, who would pay for such a procedure?
    Not even insurance companies provide such coverage for working
    folks. Conservatives seem to like the idea, even going so far
    as to make it a new publicly-funded government program ...

    --Lee

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  • From Bill McGarrity@1:266/404 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Nov 8 23:51:00 2014
    On 11-08-14 23:03, Lee Lofaso wrote to All <=-


    Should welfare recipients be sterilized as a condition to
    remain on welfare? If so, who would pay for such a procedure?
    Not even insurance companies provide such coverage for working
    folks. Conservatives seem to like the idea, even going so far
    as to make it a new publicly-funded government program ...

    They're not scientists when it comes to climate change but they certainly are doctors when it comes to genitals... and not their own.

    Publically funded?? Thought they wanted smaller government??


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  • From John Massey@1:123/789 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Nov 12 10:40:40 2014
    On 11/8/2014 17:03, Lee Lofaso -> All wrote:
    Hello Everybody,

    Should welfare recipients be sterilized as a condition to
    remain on welfare?

    No; But They should not be given one more penny IF they have a child AFTER they
    are already on welfare. If you can't support a kid on your own (or with a partner), don't have one and expect society to pay for it.

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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to LEE LOFASO on Thu Nov 13 00:18:00 2014

    Should welfare recipients be sterilized as a condition to
    remain on welfare? If so, who would pay for such a
    procedure? Not even insurance companies provide such
    coverage for working folks. Conservatives seem to like the
    idea, even going so far as to make it a new publicly-funded
    government program ...

    Since those on welfare have tended to be on it for a reasonably
    short time over the last couple decades, and that long predates
    the 1995 welfare deform act, it would be absurd to make such a
    permanent change for a temporary situation.

    OTOH, if you count everyone who get some benefit from the govt,
    then you have a setup for revolution.

    Sterilization has, in the past, been a prescription for those
    not liked by those in power. Let that become law and you can see
    the revolution bloom.

    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to John Massey on Sat Nov 15 18:10:27 2014
    Hello John,

    Should welfare recipients be sterilized as a condition to
    remain on welfare?

    No;

    David Duke thought it was good idea. Many other Americans agreed
    with him, electing him (as a Republican) to Congress. He then went
    on to make the runoff for governor of Louisiana, but was easily
    defeated by (Democrat) Edwin Edwards, who made race and welfare a
    major part of his campaign. :)

    But They should not be given one more penny IF they have a child AFTER
    they
    are already on welfare.

    I don't see why not. By refusing to help mothers, society would be
    punishing the children. And that would hardly be sporting for a society
    that claims to be fair ...

    If you can't support a kid on your own (or with a partner), don't have
    one
    and expect society to pay for it.

    Society cannot legislate morality. Nor should it even try. People
    will continue doing whatever people want to do, regardless of what
    others might think or want them to do. Your set of values may be far
    different from somebody else's set of values. But does that make
    your set of values any better than theirs, or theirs any better than
    yours?

    We are an immigrant peoples, coming from many lands. Different
    cultures, races, ethnicities, you name it. This land of ours is
    not a one-size-fits-all. What is acceptable in one culture might
    not be acceptable in another culture. But society and culture
    are two different things.

    Every country in the world has some form of welfare. Bill Clinton
    was right when he said we should not end welfare, but fix it. The
    problem is, his solution was too shortsighted, along with those in
    Congress. What we needed to do was expand what we had rather than
    gut it.

    Women will continue to get pregnant and make babies for as long
    as women are in this world. And one of these days medical science
    is going to find a way for men to do the same.

    If we refuse to give women what they want, there will be riots
    in America. And that would not be good for you, or me, or anybody
    else. Well, except maybe for those who are rioting ...

    --Lee

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  • From John Massey@1:123/789 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Nov 15 16:43:52 2014
    On 11/15/2014 12:10, Lee Lofaso -> John Massey wrote:
    Hello John,

    Should welfare recipients be sterilized as a condition to
    remain on welfare?

    No;

    David Duke thought it was good idea. Many other Americans agreed
    with him, electing him (as a Republican) to Congress. He then went
    on to make the runoff for governor of Louisiana, but was easily
    defeated by (Democrat) Edwin Edwards, who made race and welfare a
    major part of his campaign. :)

    That is true. But has nothing to do with me. Why bring it up?

    But They should not be given one more penny IF they have a child
    AFTER they
    are already on welfare.

    I don't see why not.

    I know you don't. I also know it is pointless to try and discuss it with you.

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  • From Roy Witt@1:387/22 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Nov 15 15:57:10 2014
    Greetings Lee!

    David Duke thought it was good idea. Many other Americans agreed
    with him, electing him (as a Republican) to Congress. He then went
    on to make the runoff for governor of Louisiana, but was easily
    defeated by (Democrat) Edwin Edwards, who made race and welfare a
    major part of his campaign. :)

    Was Edward's first name Dorothy, before the sex change operation?

    Have a day!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to BOB KLAHN on Wed Nov 19 23:50:16 2014
    Hello Bob,

    Should welfare recipients be sterilized as a condition to
    remain on welfare? If so, who would pay for such a
    procedure? Not even insurance companies provide such
    coverage for working folks. Conservatives seem to like the
    idea, even going so far as to make it a new publicly-funded
    government program ...

    Since those on welfare have tended to be on it for a reasonably
    short time over the last couple decades, and that long predates
    the 1995 welfare deform act,

    It was 1996 when President Clinton signed it into law.

    it would be absurd to make such a permanent change for a temporary situation.

    That temporary situation is usually a period of less than
    two years. But once sterilized, it won't matter if they get
    back on welfare, as conservatives will have already gotten
    what they wanted.

    See how that works? Conservatives never come out and tell
    you exactly what they want. At least in the South such folks
    are more honest, with racists putting a confederate flag in
    their front yard showing everybody what they think.

    OTOH, if you count everyone who get some benefit from the govt,
    then you have a setup for revolution.

    Everybody wants to get a free lunch. Not just you and me.
    But how much in life is truly free? And how much, if anything,
    is anybody entitled to?

    The way I look at things, the world owes me a living. I tell
    that to people, and they look at me cock-eyed. But it's true.
    The economy is for the person, not the other way around.

    Sterilization has, in the past, been a prescription for those
    not liked by those in power. Let that become law and you can see
    the revolution bloom.

    Such ideas were popular in the USA in the days prior to and
    during WWII. When our soldiers returned home from Europe, we
    had a change of heart and put those ideas of eugenics aside.

    Strange how history works. We gave Germans an idea. Then
    Germans used that idea to create a monster. Then we bury our
    idea and hope nobody notices. And then somebody in America
    digs it up and presents it as a new idea.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to John Massey on Wed Nov 19 23:50:38 2014
    Hello John,

    Should welfare recipients be sterilized as a condition to
    remain on welfare?

    No;

    David Duke thought it was good idea. Many other Americans agreed
    with him, electing him (as a Republican) to Congress. He then went
    on to make the runoff for governor of Louisiana, but was easily
    defeated by (Democrat) Edwin Edwards, who made race and welfare a
    major part of his campaign. :)

    That is true. But has nothing to do with me. Why bring it up?

    David Duke is a Republican. David Duke won election to Congress
    as a Republican. David Duke claims his ideas represent the ideas
    of all Republicans, and that his ideas are the basic foundation
    of the Republican Party (as it exists today).

    In order to repudiate David Duke, you would have to also repudiate
    the Republican Party. Are you willing to do that?

    But They should not be given one more penny IF they have JM>a child AFTER
    they are already on welfare.

    I don't see why not.

    I know you don't.

    There are planned, and unplanned, pregnancies.
    There are wanted, and unwanted, babies.

    Those who claim to be pro-life say that abortion
    is murder, while also at the same time being in favor
    of the death penalty for inmates on life row.

    Who has the right to play God? Does anybody have
    the right to tell a woman she has to get rid of her
    own unborn child because society refuses to pay for
    what society says is a mistake?

    Why do rich folks get a pass while poor folks
    always get the blame? Guess who gets the most
    abortions in America? Oh, but those little
    morning after pills rich folks buy at the corner
    drug store don't count. And all them rich folks
    on life row? There are none. Lots of black
    folk. But no rich folk.

    I also know it is pointless to try and discuss it with you.

    Lemme see if I got this right.

    You are against welfare.

    That being the case -

    What are you for?

    --Lee

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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to LEE LOFASO on Thu Dec 4 01:09:00 2014

    ...

    Everybody wants to get a free lunch. Not just you and me.
    But how much in life is truly free? And how much, if
    anything, is anybody entitled to?

    Surely he who is worthy to receive his days and his nights is
    worthy of all else from you.

    The way I look at things, the world owes me a living. I
    tell that to people, and they look at me cock-eyed. But
    it's true. The economy is for the person, not the other way
    around.

    Hmmm...you are sounding like the pope. Actually, the last couple
    popes. Don't let it go to your head.

    Strange how history works. We gave Germans an idea. Then
    Germans used that idea to create a monster. Then we bury
    our idea and hope nobody notices. And then somebody in
    America digs it up and presents it as a new idea.

    What goes around sometimes has to be dug up to come around.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to BOB KLAHN on Fri Dec 5 02:08:05 2014
    Hello Bob,

    Everybody wants to get a free lunch. Not just you and me.
    But how much in life is truly free? And how much, if
    anything, is anybody entitled to?

    Surely he who is worthy to receive his days and his nights is
    worthy of all else from you.

    "Each according to his needs." - The Rule of Democrats
    "Each according to his wants." - The Rule of Republicans

    "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want." - Bernie Sanders

    The way I look at things, the world owes me a living. I
    tell that to people, and they look at me cock-eyed. But
    it's true. The economy is for the person, not the other way
    around.

    Hmmm...you are sounding like the pope. Actually, the last couple
    popes. Don't let it go to your head.

    The pope is sounding more and more like an American.

    Strange how history works. We gave Germans an idea. Then
    Germans used that idea to create a monster. Then we bury
    our idea and hope nobody notices. And then somebody in
    America digs it up and presents it as a new idea.

    What goes around sometimes has to be dug up to come around.

    Give a dog a bone and hope it stays buried?

    This old man he played one
    He played knick knack on his thumb
    With a knick knack paddy whack give a dog a bone
    This old man came rolling home.

    This old man he played two ...
    This old man he played three ...
    This old man he played four ...

    Not gonna happen. No matter how
    many times you try to bury something,
    it will come rolling home.

    --Lee

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  • From BOB KLAHN@1:123/140 to LEE LOFASO on Sun Jan 11 00:03:00 2015

    ...

    But how much in life is truly free? And how much, if
    anything, is anybody entitled to?

    Surely he who is worthy to receive his days and his nights is
    worthy of all else from you.

    "Each according to his needs." - The Rule of Democrats
    "Each according to his wants." - The Rule of Republicans


    "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his
    needs." - Acts of the Apostles

    "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want." - Bernie
    Sanders

    ...

    it's true. The economy is for the person, not the other way
    around.

    Hmmm...you are sounding like the pope. Actually, the last couple
    popes. Don't let it go to your head.

    The pope is sounding more and more like an American.

    Technically he is, South American.

    ...

    somebody in America digs it up and presents it as a new
    idea.

    What goes around sometimes has to be dug up to come around.

    Give a dog a bone and hope it stays buried?

    If it's a republican bone it will just keep dogging you.

    Not gonna happen. No matter how
    many times you try to bury something,
    it will come rolling home.

    True.


    BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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