• 32-bit navigator

    From PAUL KLINGLER@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:12:58 2019
    Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:28:11 -0400
    From: PAUL KLINGLER
    To: ALL
    Subject: 32-bit navigator
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
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    So, will the navigator ever advance to the 32-bit world of today? With win98, xp, me, 2000, all being very commonly used, 16-bit is so out of date. Otherwise, it just makes the navigator useless. Maybe just release a publis source for writing a custom navigator, and let people create 16- or 32- bit as they desire.
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  • From DAVE GOURD@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:12:58 2019
    Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:57:11 -0400
    From: DAVE GOURD
    To: PAUL KLINGLER
    Subject: 32-bit navigator
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
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    We have heard several times now that updating has/is being considered.
    There are other fish frying right now in Hector's kitchen that need to
    be watched more closely.

    Although a bit archaic, wcnav and the nav clients are not totally
    'useless', especially in a world where many people with less than 'state
    of the art' machines and software are concerned.

    For the present, I'm happy it is still supported without abused or
    broken 'standards' and functionality which would possibly be instituted
    by publicly releasing the source.

    I do not say that improvement are not needed or that we shouldn't be
    allowed to 'experiment', but the whole WINS package as a whole is fairly unified and I for one prefer it that way.


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    So, will the navigator ever advance to the 32-bit world of today?
    With win98, xp, me, 2000, all being very commonly used, 16-bit is so
    out of date. Otherwise, it just makes the navigator useless. Maybe
    just release a publis source for writing a custom navigator, and let
    people create 16- or 32- bit as they desire.
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  • From DEAN BROOKS@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:12:58 2019
    Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:27:47 -0400
    From: DEAN BROOKS
    To: DAVE GOURD
    Subject: 32-bit navigator
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
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    We have heard several times now that updating has/is being considered.
    There are other fish frying right now in Hector's kitchen that need to
    be watched more closely.

    Although a bit archaic, wcnav and the nav clients are not totally
    'useless', especially in a world where many people with less than 'state
    of the art' machines and software are concerned.

    For the present, I'm happy it is still supported without abused or
    broken 'standards' and functionality which would possibly be instituted
    by publicly releasing the source.

    I do not say that improvement are not needed or that we shouldn't be
    allowed to 'experiment', but the whole WINS package as a whole is fairly unified and I for one prefer it that way.


    --
    D


    So, will the navigator ever advance to the 32-bit world of today?
    With win98, xp, me, 2000, all being very commonly used, 16-bit is so
    out of date. Otherwise, it just makes the navigator useless. Maybe
    just release a publis source for writing a custom navigator, and let people create 16- or 32- bit as they desire.

    But as far as I remember if you log in with the navigator things such as
    IRC, ICQ etc. can not be used. I remember reading that somewhere just
    can not remember where....

    I guess now is this in fact true? If so then I think that would be a
    problem. I know right now the ones using my system are telneting into
    it. Back in the early days when MSI still had this software the
    Navigator was used exclusively....

    Dean Brooks
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  • From ARNAUD DE BONALD@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:12:58 2019
    Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:46:16 -0400
    From: ARNAUD DE BONALD
    To: PAUL KLINGLER
    Subject: Re: 32-bit navigator
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
    Message-ID: <1055699372.34.1051234091@winserver.com>
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    On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:28:11 -0400, PAUL KLINGLER wrote:

    So, will the navigator ever advance to the 32-bit world of today? With win98, >xp, me, 2000, all being very commonly used, 16-bit is so out of date. >Otherwise, it just makes the navigator useless. Maybe just release a publis >source for writing a custom navigator, and let people create 16- or 32- bit as >they desire.

    well, personally, I don't see any good reason to still use WCNav.

    I keep it for download on my system, but it's not used by anyone.


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  • From PAUL KLINGLER@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:12:58 2019
    Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 01:35:11 -0400
    From: PAUL KLINGLER
    To: ARNAUD DE BONALD
    Subject: Re: 32-bit navigator
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
    Message-ID: <1055741711.34.1055699372@winserver.com>
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    Yeah, but it would be a nice way to make some interesting winserver client/server software, if it was 32-bit.

    Plus, if it was 32-bi9t, and therefore more viable and energetic, maybe more people would use it.

    On 6/16/03 1:33 AM, ARNAUD DE BONALD wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:

    On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:28:11 -0400, PAUL KLINGLER wrote:

    So, will the navigator ever advance to the 32-bit world of today? With
    win98,
    xp, me, 2000, all being very commonly used, 16-bit is so out of date. >Otherwise, it just makes the navigator useless. Maybe just release a
    publis
    source for writing a custom navigator, and let people create 16- or 32- bit
    as
    they desire.

    well, personally, I don't see any good reason to still use WCNav.

    I keep it for download on my system, but it's not used by anyone.


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  • From HENRIK GRAVERSEN@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:12:58 2019
    Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 02:54:49 -0400
    From: HENRIK GRAVERSEN
    To: PAUL KLINGLER
    Subject: Re: 32-bit navigator
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
    Message-ID: <1055746489.34.1055741711@winserver.com>
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    Yeah, but it would be a nice way to make some interesting winserver client/server software, if it was 32-bit.

    Plus, if it was 32-bi9t, and therefore more viable and energetic,
    maybe more people would use it.

    Navigator is a potent marketing tool, IMHO. Clean interface,
    differentiation, perceived value.

    32-bit would be very welcome. And one or two extra optional buttons in
    the Connection Manager window pointing to http:// adresses of sysop
    choice would help make it work even better as a site specific navigation
    bar (e.g. one extra button for your real estate database, chat, etc).

    Henrik



    On 6/16/03 1:33 AM, ARNAUD DE BONALD wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:

    On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:28:11 -0400, PAUL KLINGLER wrote:

    So, will the navigator ever advance to the 32-bit world of today?
    xp, me, 2000, all being very commonly used, 16-bit is so out of d >Otherwise, it just makes the navigator useless. Maybe just relea >source for writing a custom navigator, and let people create 16-
    they desire.

    well, personally, I don't see any good reason to still use WCNav.

    I keep it for download on my system, but it's not used by anyone.


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  • From PAUL KLINGLER@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:12:58 2019
    Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:23:01 -0400
    From: PAUL KLINGLER
    To: HENRIK GRAVERSEN
    Subject: Re: 32-bit navigator
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
    Message-ID: <1055773381.34.1055746489@winserver.com>
    References: <1055746489.34.1055741711@winserver.com>
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    That's the nice thing. It allows you to add buttons, and features. But currently only in 16-bit. As you said, it could be a great tool. Like AOLs front end, or the front end to a number of online games. I think Santronics has pretty much moved away from the Nav so far. Maybe we'll see them drop something new about it in the future.

    On 6/16/03 10:20 AM, HENRIK GRAVERSEN wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:


    Yeah, but it would be a nice way to make some interesting winserver client/server software, if it was 32-bit.

    Plus, if it was 32-bi9t, and therefore more viable and energetic,
    maybe more people would use it.

    Navigator is a potent marketing tool, IMHO. Clean interface, differentiation, perceived value.

    32-bit would be very welcome. And one or two extra optional buttons in
    the Connection Manager window pointing to http:// adresses of sysop
    choice would help make it work even better as a site specific navigation
    bar (e.g. one extra button for your real estate database, chat, etc).

    Henrik



    On 6/16/03 1:33 AM, ARNAUD DE BONALD wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:

    On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:28:11 -0400, PAUL KLINGLER wrote:

    So, will the navigator ever advance to the 32-bit world of today? >xp, me, 2000, all being very commonly used, 16-bit is so out of d >Otherwise, it just makes the navigator useless. Maybe just relea >source for writing a custom navigator, and let people create 16- >they desire.

    well, personally, I don't see any good reason to still use WCNav.

    I keep it for download on my system, but it's not used by anyone.


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  • From DEAN BROOKS@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:12:58 2019
    Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:07:27 -0400
    From: DEAN BROOKS
    To: PAUL KLINGLER
    Subject: Re: 32-bit navigator
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
    Message-ID: <1056222447.34.1055773381@winserver.com>
    References: <1055773381.34.1055746489@winserver.com>
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    That's the nice thing. It allows you to add buttons, and features. But currently only in 16-bit. As you said, it could be a great tool.
    Like AOLs front end, or the front end to a number of online games. I
    think Santronics has pretty much moved away from the Nav so far.
    Maybe we'll see them drop something new about it in the future.

    On 6/16/03 10:20 AM, HENRIK GRAVERSEN wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:


    Yeah, but it would be a nice way to make some interesting winse client/server software, if it was 32-bit.

    Plus, if it was 32-bi9t, and therefore more viable and energetic, maybe more people would use it.

    Navigator is a potent marketing tool, IMHO. Clean interface, differentiation, perceived value.

    32-bit would be very welcome. And one or two extra optional butto
    the Connection Manager window pointing to http:// adresses of sysop choice would help make it work even better as a site specific navi
    bar (e.g. one extra button for your real estate database, chat, etc).

    Henrik



    On 6/16/03 1:33 AM, ARNAUD DE BONALD wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:

    On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:28:11 -0400, PAUL KLINGLER wrote:

    So, will the navigator ever advance to the 32-bit world of
    xp, me, 2000, all being very commonly used, 16-bit is so ou >Otherwise, it just makes the navigator useless. Maybe just >source for writing a custom navigator, and let people creat
    they desire.

    well, personally, I don't see any good reason to still use W

    I keep it for download on my system, but it's not used by an


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    Maybe if we showed interest we could pick it up? or what about
    designing our own?

    Dean Brooks
    Hidden Paradise BBS
    hpbbs.dns2go.com
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  • From PAUL KLINGLER@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:12:58 2019
    Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 01:18:19 -0400
    From: PAUL KLINGLER
    To: DEAN BROOKS
    Subject: Re: 32-bit navigator
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
    Message-ID: <1056259099.34.1056222447@winserver.com>
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    I've considered this, but wasn't sure we could without some sort of resource to give us client server acces similar to the navigator. Currently the sdk only works through the current navigator, Correct?

    On 6/22/03 1:17 AM, DEAN BROOKS wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:


    That's the nice thing. It allows you to add buttons, and features. But currently only in 16-bit. As you said, it could be a great tool.
    Like AOLs front end, or the front end to a number of online games. I think Santronics has pretty much moved away from the Nav so far.
    Maybe we'll see them drop something new about it in the future.

    On 6/16/03 10:20 AM, HENRIK GRAVERSEN wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:


    Yeah, but it would be a nice way to make some interesting winse client/server software, if it was 32-bit.

    Plus, if it was 32-bi9t, and therefore more viable and energetic, maybe more people would use it.

    Navigator is a potent marketing tool, IMHO. Clean interface, differentiation, perceived value.

    32-bit would be very welcome. And one or two extra optional butto
    the Connection Manager window pointing to http:// adresses of sysop choice would help make it work even better as a site specific navi
    bar (e.g. one extra button for your real estate database, chat, etc).

    Henrik



    On 6/16/03 1:33 AM, ARNAUD DE BONALD wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:

    On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:28:11 -0400, PAUL KLINGLER wrote:

    So, will the navigator ever advance to the 32-bit world of >xp, me, 2000, all being very commonly used, 16-bit is so ou >Otherwise, it just makes the navigator useless. Maybe just >source for writing a custom navigator, and let people creat >they desire.

    well, personally, I don't see any good reason to still use W

    I keep it for download on my system, but it's not used by an


    --------------------
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    Maybe if we showed interest we could pick it up? or what about
    designing our own?

    Dean Brooks
    Hidden Paradise BBS
    hpbbs.dns2go.com



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  • From DEAN BROOKS@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:12:58 2019
    Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:35:47 -0400
    From: DEAN BROOKS
    To: PAUL KLINGLER
    Subject: Re: 32-bit navigator
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
    Message-ID: <1056850547.34.1056259099@winserver.com>
    References: <1056259099.34.1056222447@winserver.com>
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    I've considered this, but wasn't sure we could without some sort of resource to give us client server acces similar to the navigator. Currently the sdk only works through the current navigator, Correct?

    On 6/22/03 1:17 AM, DEAN BROOKS wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:


    That's the nice thing. It allows you to add buttons, and featu currently only in 16-bit. As you said, it could be a great tool.
    Like AOLs front end, or the front end to a number of online gam
    think Santronics has pretty much moved away from the Nav so far.
    Maybe we'll see them drop something new about it in the future.

    On 6/16/03 10:20 AM, HENRIK GRAVERSEN wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:


    Yeah, but it would be a nice way to make some interesting client/server software, if it was 32-bit.

    Plus, if it was 32-bi9t, and therefore more viable and en
    maybe more people would use it.

    Navigator is a potent marketing tool, IMHO. Clean interface, differentiation, perceived value.

    32-bit would be very welcome. And one or two extra optional
    the Connection Manager window pointing to http:// adresses o
    choice would help make it work even better as a site specifi
    bar (e.g. one extra button for your real estate database, ch

    Henrik



    On 6/16/03 1:33 AM, ARNAUD DE BONALD wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:

    On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:28:11 -0400, PAUL KLINGLER wrote:

    So, will the navigator ever advance to the 32-bit wor
    xp, me, 2000, all being very commonly used, 16-bit is >Otherwise, it just makes the navigator useless. Mayb >source for writing a custom navigator, and let people
    they desire.

    well, personally, I don't see any good reason to still

    I keep it for download on my system, but it's not used


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    Maybe if we showed interest we could pick it up? or what about
    designing our own?

    Dean Brooks
    Hidden Paradise BBS
    hpbbs.dns2go.com



    Good question.. Hector? does the SDK only work through the current
    Navigator?

    Dean Brooks

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  • From PAUL KLINGLER@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:12:58 2019
    Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:06:14 -0400
    From: PAUL KLINGLER
    To: HECTOR SANTOS
    Subject: Re: 32-bit navigator
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
    Message-ID: <1057021574.34.1056850547@winserver.com>
    References: <1056850547.34.1056259099@winserver.com>
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    So can the navigator sdk work without the navigator?

    On 6/30/03 9:05 PM, DEAN BROOKS wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:


    I've considered this, but wasn't sure we could without some sort of resource to give us client server acces similar to the navigator. Currently the sdk only works through the current navigator, Correct?

    On 6/22/03 1:17 AM, DEAN BROOKS wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:


    That's the nice thing. It allows you to add buttons, and featu currently only in 16-bit. As you said, it could be a great tool. Like AOLs front end, or the front end to a number of online gam think Santronics has pretty much moved away from the Nav so far. Maybe we'll see them drop something new about it in the future.

    On 6/16/03 10:20 AM, HENRIK GRAVERSEN wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:


    Yeah, but it would be a nice way to make some interesting client/server software, if it was 32-bit.

    Plus, if it was 32-bi9t, and therefore more viable and en maybe more people would use it.

    Navigator is a potent marketing tool, IMHO. Clean interface, differentiation, perceived value.

    32-bit would be very welcome. And one or two extra optional
    the Connection Manager window pointing to http:// adresses o choice would help make it work even better as a site specifi
    bar (e.g. one extra button for your real estate database, ch

    Henrik



    On 6/16/03 1:33 AM, ARNAUD DE BONALD wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:

    On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:28:11 -0400, PAUL KLINGLER wrote:

    So, will the navigator ever advance to the 32-bit wor >xp, me, 2000, all being very commonly used, 16-bit is >Otherwise, it just makes the navigator useless. Mayb >source for writing a custom navigator, and let people >they desire.

    well, personally, I don't see any good reason to still

    I keep it for download on my system, but it's not used


    --------------------
    Arnaud de Bonald - Paris, France - Sysop Netcava BBS h





    Maybe if we showed interest we could pick it up? or what about designing our own?

    Dean Brooks
    Hidden Paradise BBS
    hpbbs.dns2go.com



    Good question.. Hector? does the SDK only work through the current Navigator?

    Dean Brooks




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  • From HECTOR SANTOS@1:124/5013 to All on Thu Jan 31 19:12:58 2019
    Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:16:09 -0400
    From: HECTOR SANTOS
    To: PAUL KLINGLER
    Subject: Re: 32-bit navigator
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
    Message-ID: <1057025769.34.1057021574@winserver.com>
    References: <1057021574.34.1056850547@winserver.com>
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    Well, not without any kludging. You can start individual clients by themselves but it requires the comm engine to start too.

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    On 6/30/03 10:14 PM, PAUL KLINGLER wrote to HECTOR SANTOS:

    So can the navigator sdk work without the navigator?

    On 6/30/03 9:05 PM, DEAN BROOKS wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:


    I've considered this, but wasn't sure we could without some sort of resource to give us client server acces similar to the navigator. Currently the sdk only works through the current navigator, Correct?

    On 6/22/03 1:17 AM, DEAN BROOKS wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:


    That's the nice thing. It allows you to add buttons, and featu currently only in 16-bit. As you said, it could be a great tool. Like AOLs front end, or the front end to a number of online gam think Santronics has pretty much moved away from the Nav so far. Maybe we'll see them drop something new about it in the future.

    On 6/16/03 10:20 AM, HENRIK GRAVERSEN wrote to PAUL KLINGLER:

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    Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:29:00 -0400
    From: BOBBY TODD
    To: DEAN BROOKS
    Subject: 32-bit navigator
    Newsgroups: win.navigator
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    But as far as I remember if you log in with the navigator things such a DB>IRC, ICQ etc. can not be used. I remember reading that somewhere just DB>can not remember where....

    I guess now is this in fact true? If so then I think that would be a DB>problem. I know right now the ones using my system are telneting into DB>it. Back in the early days when MSI still had this software the DB>Navigator was used exclusively....

    Dean, I have no problems with it. What you might want to do, however, is open up your board a little more to new users. I run the latest WINS 6.1 gamma at wolfe.mine.nu and offer access on the first call. Just a thought. Otherwise, a
    very nice board :)

    Robert Wolfe
    BBS: wolfe.mine.nu

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