On 11 Jun 18 00:48:08, Benny Pedersen said the following to Roger Nelson:

You still have X, Y, Z and a host of other options. (-:

opensource is nice :)

A wise man told me "I'm afraid now this is a knee-jerk response in a way you may not like to hear".

I am seriously so sick to death of what I believe is the good-majority of Linux techies having this unquestionable God-like devotion to that bum
and absolute horror of a human being, toenail-clipping-eating Richard
Stallman, GNU, "Free-is-best and commercial-software-be-damned" mentality.

For years as a Fido developer I have had the pleasure of receiving Echomail, Netmail and Internet email about why D'Bridge is not open source. And when I state my logical reasons why, most of the time I am looked upon as an idiot because I don't publish source code like Mystic, HPT and Synchronet.

All three of those programs are very nice, but have had the exact same problems as closed-source mailers, tossers, BBS software etc. If the code is open source, shouldn't there be such a huge crowd of people working to fix it?

For every Linux techie that told me over the years that open-source is more trustworthy and secure and Windows is garbage... I ask them if they have personally studied and reviewed the Linux kernal source. Nope. Have they studied the code for Firefox? Nope. What about the code for all of your the device drivers? Cue to the crickets chirping. So you have "to trust it".

Now I'm aware of the Windows-10 situation, telemetry, all of that... no I don't like it and no I do not run Windows 10.

But if Windows is such crap, how come its been many years now and Linux still is not Desktop ready? Why is the focus on adding useless hated things like SystemD, Selinux and Gnome 3?

If Microsoft is such a big bad evil corporation, does that mean that Apple, Google, Facebook and other open-source fanatical companies get a free pass?

I notice Linux techies seem to give their OS a free pass... CONSTANTLY. Even with serious bugs and vulnerabilities like SSL, Heartbleed, the freaking
"beep" command insecurity... to say nothing about buggy device drivers.

Sorry Benny, I know you post in good fun, and I know I'm fair game but every time I see another yay-for-open-source post its just... cringeworthy.

Nick

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Sorry Benny, I know you post in good fun, and I know I'm
fair game but every
time I see another yay-for-open-source post its just...
cringeworthy.

LOL.

Nick, when you get time, could you tell us how you really feel about open-source please? <grin>


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Re: Re: D'Bridge 3.99/SR32 released and avai
By: Nick Andre to Benny Pedersen on Sun Jun 10 2018 10:26 pm

And when I state my logical reasons why, most of the time I am looked upon as an idiot because I don't publish source code like Mystic, HPT and Synchronet.

Mystic is not open source. I think it was for a short time but not now. It is very much g00r00's software and I think he and the users of the software like it that way, and that approach works well for Mystic and lots of software, D'Bridge included.

I am a linux guy myself though not very techie. I don't dislike windows I just prefer linux. After OS/2 went bye bye I made the switch to linux.

All three of those programs are very nice, but have had the exact same problems as closed-source mailers, tossers, BBS software etc. If the code is open source, shouldn't there be such a huge crowd of people working to fix it?

If they care to, yes. Having those people on board is key to open source. Even without maintenance software can find itself in an unusable state.

Ttyl :-),
Al


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On 10 Jun 18 20:26:41, Alan Ianson said the following to Nick Andre:

Mystic is not open source. I think it was for a short time but not now. It very much g00r00's software and I think he and the users of the software li it that way, and that approach works well for Mystic and lots of software, D'Bridge included.

I've only had a few exchanges with G00r00 / James Coyle and he is a very good programmer, very tech... thats the impression I have.

Mystic is not my cup of tea but it is amazing and cool to see that it attracts the newcomers or past Sysops back to the hobby.

I am a linux guy myself though not very techie. I don't dislike windows I prefer linux. After OS/2 went bye bye I made the switch to linux.

I was a huge OS/2 fan for many years until I made the switch to Windows 2000 at the time. It was a switch out of necessity, really. I think I wrote about that a few times here. If I could of stuck with OS/2 in the way that I wanted to have it ran, I would have.

If they care to, yes. Having those people on board is key to open source. E without maintenance software can find itself in an unusable state.

For sure anyone is welcome to work on an open-source project, but it is rare that there are people who can work on the Fido stuff. It has been my experience supporting users that they prefer to have one neck to strangle 8-)

Nick

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On 10 Jun 18 22:22:40, Dale Barnes said the following to Nick Andre:

LOL.

Nick, when you get time, could you tell us how you really feel about open-source please? <grin>

I've ranted enough I think. Maybe next time Richard plans to take a bath?

Nick

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On 06/10/18, Nick Andre pondered and said...

opensource is nice :)

A wise man told me "I'm afraid now this is a knee-jerk response in a way you may not like to hear".

[snip]

For years as a Fido developer I have had the pleasure of receiving Echomail, Netmail and Internet email about why D'Bridge is not open source. And when I state my logical reasons why, most of the time I am looked upon as an idiot because I don't publish source code like Mystic, HPT and Synchronet.

Yep just agreeing with Al, Mystic has been closed for a while again..

Nick, I'm not too bothered either way on the whole Windows vs Linux thing and relative merits of Open vs Closed.... but reading your post (which was fun to read BTW :)) made me wonder about your thoughts on the issue of software longevity / support...

By this I mean if something is closed source and for whatever reason the
author leaves the scene never to return , do you think that the closed source model is good or bad when I'm guessing the evolution of the software ceases
at the point because no one else is able to pick up the code and develop it further?

Actually Renegade was an interesting one in that regards ... (and no I'm that ofait with all the ins and outs of the history) but I recall how things
stopped for a time when Cott stopped coding it, then as you know things
morphed a fair bit over time as closed source code was handed over to people (I'm sure in good faith at the time) for the software to be changed etc. further, and not always for the better perhaps as you may well agree :)

Anyways interested in your thoughts about the pros for closed source and the potential pitfalls (if that's the right way to frame it?) of that model and what you think coders engaged in a closed source model may wish to consider if/when they opt to leave a project for good / a long long time.. ?

Best, Paul

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I was a huge OS/2 fan for many years until I made the switch to Windows 2000 at the time. It was a switch out of necessity, really. I think I
wrote about that a few times here. If I could of stuck with OS/2 in the
way that I wanted
to have it ran, I would have.

Me too! I have been a huge OS/2 fan from day one. It still technically runs my BBS nodes. If there was one weak thing about it, that would be it's lack of
decent network abilities. Fortunately that has gotten much better these days thanks to Samba.

For sure anyone is welcome to work on an open-source project, but it is rare that there are people who can work on the Fido stuff. It has been my experience supporting users that they prefer to have one neck to strangle 8-)

Most of the WWIV BBS related programs that we have converted to open source was
due to the original programmer leaving the scene. They agreed to turn it over and make it open source to prevent it from being "abandonware".

Basically, different situation since you obviously are very dedicated to keeping D'Bridge going, which is fantastic!

- Mark

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Anyways interested in your thoughts about the pros for closed source and the potential pitfalls (if that's the right way to frame it?) of that
model and what you think coders engaged in a closed source model may wish to consider if/when they opt to leave a project for good / a long long time.. ?

Doesn't WikiLeaks have something similar to this?

An encrypted/password protected Torrent that contains the D'Bridge source code.
The password only gets released if Nick's PC doesn't contact it for over 12 months.

Would this be considered "hybrid-source"? :)

- Mark

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On 2018 Jun 10 20:26:40, you wrote to Nick Andre:

And when I state my logical reasons why, most of the time I am looked
upon as an idiot because I don't publish source code like Mystic, HPT
and Synchronet.

Mystic is not open source. I think it was for a short time but not
now.

yes, mystic was open source for a while back in the v1.10 or v1.11 alphas... he
pulled it back for various reasons among which one of the most prominent was folks not keeping up with their repo updates fast enough and reporting bugs that had already been fixed...

)\/(ark

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Hello Nick!

Sunday June 10 2018 22:26, you wrote to Benny Pedersen:

On 11 Jun 18 00:48:08, Benny Pedersen said the following to Roger
Nelson:

You still have X, Y, Z and a host of other options. (-:

opensource is nice :)

A wise man told me "I'm afraid now this is a knee-jerk response in a
way you may not like to hear".

-- large cut ---

Sorry Benny, I know you post in good fun, and I know I'm fair game but
every time I see another yay-for-open-source post its just...
cringeworthy.

I am a Linux user for my main BBS system as it also runs Mysql, ftp, apache and
other servers as well as /mf suuport for MVS and others.

It is on 24/7 actually never needs to be rebooted even after a kernel update (mind you, you will not get the new kernel features if you don't).
As an AMD 8 core it nver seems to go above 10% load and is usually below 5%. Loading does not include large compiles as I have been known to specifiy using up to 4 cores to help speed it all up :)

I starting using Linux after IBM threw in the towel on OS/2, I carried on for year or so but the company they passed it to (having rejecting giving it to the
large community) did swat for the period and the only updates that I have seen since is little regens with a few updated driver and those mostly from the community.

At this point I gave up and I was using an early release of Warp v5 but with with the old win v3 rubbish in and switched to Linux. for both my main system and the media system that runs with Ubuntu and Mythtv, my laptop and the wife's
desktop use Windows v10 and v7 respecively and no I have not updated my wife's system as that might be one step too far for her despite she has been using computers since the mid 70's but that might be related to when we got married and I was supporting M/F's (mainframes) and only went into micros in 1976 and then creating a distribution company that supplied Books, Mags, Software and even some hardware before PC's starting appearing (before 1981) that we supported with being the distributor for CPM, MPM and others from DRI and then MSdos and Windows v1, 2, 3.0 (Not sold by us as un-usable) v3.1 which we sold in large number to the new companies making PCs in every different disk format possible and here we had to build a bespoke system that could handle all the different formats for 8, 5.25 and 3.25/3.5 inch disks.


Your comments regarding the user interface such as KDE or Gnome is, welfounded I am afraid and this is totally down to major updates being rolled out on a new
distro version without intensive testing before hand along the lines of
release candidates and I do not mean over 4 weeks (way too short a period).


With Microsoft unless you are an early adopter it get well tested although not as well as when it gets out in the field as millions of users do help to give it some stick but here the problem is the difficultly of finding who / site wise to send bug reports for the various elements that make a Windows system.

The major problem with Linux is that it is mostly community led so for those that help test a new distro are doing so very part time and here I will exclude
people like IBM who mainly play in speific areas.

So yes Linux does have it's inherent problems and very much so when a new distro comes out and here the major problem is that many of them do NOT have a LTS version - in fact the only ones I can think of are Ubuntu and Redhat (paid for).

As for pure O/S software, My own Accounting tool along with a range of
difering system products/tools including some for BBSing have been made O/S and that is more to do with my age to ensure that the software can be used after my departure (but not any time soon).

The other reason was to encourrage others to help improve them but the reality is that they don't.

Heck its hard enough to get feedback on them such as bug reports even.

DBridge going over to O/S might help a few users but very few as most do not have the programming expertise to provide imput let alone the inclination.
May be the (well some one else will do it syndrome) showing up.

Nothing new here then.



Vince

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On 11 Jun 18 19:28:51, Paul Hayton said the following to Nick Andre:

Anyways interested in your thoughts about the pros for closed source and th potential pitfalls (if that's the right way to frame it?) of that model and what you think coders engaged in a closed source model may wish to consider if/when they opt to leave a project for good / a long long time.. ?

It depends on the project and if there are any viable alternatives, I think.

Nick

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On 11 Jun 18 11:08:24, Mark Hofmann said the following to Nick Andre:

Me too! I have been a huge OS/2 fan from day one. It still technically ru my BBS nodes. If there was one weak thing about it, that would be it's lac of decent network abilities. Fortunately that has gotten much better these days thanks to Samba.

The networking and lack of device drivers are what caused me to jump ship... and when I got used to RDP in Windows, I never looked back.

Nick

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On 11 Jun 18 11:19:50, Mark Hofmann said the following to Paul Hayton:

Doesn't WikiLeaks have something similar to this?

An encrypted/password protected Torrent that contains the D'Bridge source code. The password only gets released if Nick's PC doesn't contact it for over 12 months.

The D'Bridge source code is in the hands of a couple people, in the event that something happens to me... and no, not by autoerotic asphyxiation.

Nick

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On 11 Jun 18 18:52:39, Vince Coen said the following to Nick Andre:

Your comments regarding the user interface such as KDE or Gnome is, welfoun I am afraid and this is totally down to major updates being rolled out on a new
distro version without intensive testing before hand along the lines of

Linux I find is better suited to server-tasks... and even then, it depends.

Regarding the GUI, if the Linux community hates Windows so much and wants Linux to be "that" Desktop replacement... at least come together and have a GUI that doesn't need the user to do command-line stuff beyond the surface.

Apple appears to have got it right... I'm not a fan of Mac but looks good.

DBridge going over to O/S might help a few users but very few as most do no have the programming expertise to provide imput let alone the inclination. May be the (well some one else will do it syndrome) showing up.

I would love to compile D'Bridge for more modern Os's, however it is very difficult for me to do so. It takes time; and having to really tear apart a lot of things and replace them with modern equivalents.

Nick

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I would love to compile D'Bridge for more modern Os's, however it is very difficult for me to do so. It takes time; and having to really tear apart a lot of things and replace them with modern equivalents.

Is it all Turbo/Borland pascal? Is it close to FPC compatible? Are there a bunch of libs that are TPU only?

Just curious,

Rob

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On 12 Jun 18 19:57, Rob Cole said the following to Nick Andre:

I would love to compile D'Bridge for more modern Os's, however it is very difficult for me to do so. It takes time; and having to really tear apart a lot of things and replace them with modern equivalents.

Is it all Turbo/Borland pascal? Is it close to FPC compatible? Are there a bunch of libs that are TPU only?

It is half TP 5.5, half assembler. The code will not port to FPC or even
TP 7 without a substantial amount of work. There is also a great deal of code to handle dialup modem sessions.

Even the utilities that make up the "builder", the setup wizard / installer, help system compiler and other stuff will not compile on anything newer.

Nick

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Even the utilities that make up the "builder", the setup wizard / installer help system compiler and other stuff will not compile on anything newer.

Ugh, that's an undertaking then. Sigh.

Rob (Rushfan)

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The networking and lack of device drivers are what caused me to jump ship... and when I got used to RDP in Windows, I never looked back.

No question, the networking in OS/2 was always lacking. Especially once Microsoft moved to Active Directory from the workgroup structure. There was no
way for OS/2 to map a drive to AD.

If it wasn't for Samba on OS/2 in eCS, it would be totally useless at this point in time from a networking perspective.

- Mark

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On 17 Jun 18 22:17:01, Mark Hofmann said the following to Nick Andre:

No question, the networking in OS/2 was always lacking. Especially once Microsoft moved to Active Directory from the workgroup structure. There wa no way for OS/2 to map a drive to AD.

If it wasn't for Samba on OS/2 in eCS, it would be totally useless at this point in time from a networking perspective.

I never did get to play around with eCS or the new Arc-os (I think thats what its called?). It might be nice to fire it up in a virtual machine just to
mess around with it.

But I have a strong feeling that my current setup will remain on 32-bit Windows "for life". I may use a new modern OS for day to day stuff, but the BBS and especially the Fido stuff will always be on 32-bit Windows.

Nick

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The D'Bridge source code is in the hands of a couple people, in the event that something happens to me... and no, not by autoerotic asphyxiation.

That's good to hear - not the part about if something happened to you. :) Avoiding more abandonware is the main thing.

The legacy must live on...

- Mark

--- WWIVToss v.1.52
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The legacy must live on...

Yes.

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.99 SR28
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Hello Nick!

10 Jun 2018 22:26, Nick Andre wrote to Benny Pedersen:

You still have X, Y, Z and a host of other options. (-:

opensource is nice :)

A wise man told me "I'm afraid now this is a knee-jerk response in a
way you may not like to hear".

how should i know how to help with X, Y, Z ?

I am seriously so sick to death of what I believe is the good-majority
of Linux techies having this unquestionable God-like devotion to that bum and absolute horror of a human being, toenail-clipping-eating Richard Stallman, GNU, "Free-is-best and commercial-software-be-damned" mentality.

we have fun always, i know you know how to compile things on windows, no intented jokes about it, if ever i need to downgrade to dos programs it would be on 16bit dos level so my amiga 500 can run it on the pc286 card i have in it
:)

nothing new is since happend on intel cpus that i need, i just begin have good time on my old days with all the updates world have created since then, eg raspberry pi any model

For years as a Fido developer I have had the pleasure of receiving Echomail, Netmail and Internet email about why D'Bridge is not open

source. And

when I state my logical reasons why, most of the time I am looked upon as

an

idiot because I don't publish source code like Mystic, HPT and Synchronet.

be polite now to write idiot, it will go back some times

All three of those programs are very nice, but have had the exact same problems as closed-source mailers, tossers, BBS software etc. If the
code is open source, shouldn't there be such a huge crowd of people

working to

fix it?

its just harder for bug reporters to show where X, Y, Z is in precompild problems, why not disclose it, to make more intrested in helping make it work better ?, thats how i see it, you dont want to shoot your self in foots if i know you well ?

For every Linux techie that told me over the years that open-source is more trustworthy and secure and Windows is garbage... I ask them if they have personally studied and reviewed the Linux kernal source. Nope. Have they studied the code for Firefox? Nope. What about the code for all of your the device drivers? Cue to the crickets chirping. So you have "to

trust

it".

opensource is not a garenti for people do something in return, but if not opensource its not possible to try atleast

Now I'm aware of the Windows-10 situation, telemetry, all of that...
no I don't like it and no I do not run Windows 10.

i dont like windows defender trying to reset my chrome settings, do thay know ing what thay do there ?, chrome apps running on windows browser is in sync with google, and thus same plugins go to chromebooks, so basicly windows defender removes or disable chromebook apps, how fucking silly can microsoft be
there ?

sorry for saying idiots now

But if Windows is such crap, how come its been many years now and
Linux still is not Desktop ready?

try slackware ?, try see how stable kde is there ?

Why is the focus on adding useless hated things
like SystemD, Selinux and Gnome 3?

+1

If Microsoft is such a big bad evil corporation, does that mean that Apple, Google, Facebook and other open-source fanatical companies get a

free

pass?

thay have one thing in common, thay all sooks

I notice Linux techies seem to give their OS a free pass...
CONSTANTLY.

maybe its too free ?

Even with serious bugs and vulnerabilities like SSL, Heartbleed, the freaking "beep" command insecurity... to say nothing about buggy device drivers.

i can disable this in my kernel if unwanted, but for now i just use default debian preconfigured .config to build a gentoo kernel on linode.com, its still unoptimized i know, but i can reduce load time with it, and provide it to linode.com to make it even better for other gentoo (loosers) to use :)

Sorry Benny, I know you post in good fun,

atleast you understand me then

and I know I'm fair game but every
time I see another yay-for-open-source post its just... cringeworthy.

did yuo mean some other words ? >>Canadiens<< :)


Regards Benny

... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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On 21 Jun 18 02:04:16, Benny Pedersen said the following to Nick Andre:

we have fun always, i know you know how to compile things on windows, no intented jokes about it, if ever i need to downgrade to dos programs it wou be on 16bit dos level so my amiga 500 can run it on the pc286 card i have i it :)

Ahh c'mon now... If it does not run on a Tandy 1000; its crap.

its just harder for bug reporters to show where X, Y, Z is in precompild problems, why not disclose it, to make more intrested in helping make it wo better ?, thats how i see it, you dont want to shoot your self in foots if know you well ?

D'Bridge is a closed-sourced product that is trusted 100% to power the entire ZC operation of now two Fido zones. There is a good reason why.

Trust me, the vast majority of users have no problems reporting bugs and you would be hard-pressed to compare the level of tech support I provide with that of any open-source mailer or tosser today.

For example... you can pick up the phone and call me, anytime, 24/7, if you feel that there is a show-stopper bug in my software. And I will fix it. I will not tell you to "compile it yourself" because for me that sort of answer is the same as "GFY"... I'm sure you know what that means.

I never said open-source software is crap, but what is, is the mentality
of some of the users and end-user direct support is almost nonexistant.

Nick

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RE: Re: D'Bridge 3.99/SR32 released and avai
BY: Nick Andre(1:229/426)

But I have a strong feeling that my current setup will remain on
32-bit Windows "for life". I may use a new modern OS for day to day
stuff, but the BBS and especially the Fido stuff will always be on
32-bit Windows.

with doorgames not usable on 64 bit, I just run windows 10 32bit on my bbs.
→

--- WWIV 5.3.0.2711
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On 17 Jun 18 23:21:13, Matt Munson said the following to Nick Andre:

RE: Re: D'Bridge 3.99/SR32 released and avai
BY: Nick Andre(1:229/426)

But I have a strong feeling that my current setup will remain on 32-bit Windows "for life". I may use a new modern OS for day to day stuff, but the BBS and especially the Fido stuff will always be on 32-bit Windows.

with doorgames not usable on 64 bit, I just run windows 10 32bit on my bbs.

That was a reason for me too,

Nick

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Hello Nick!

20 Jun 2018 23:17, Nick Andre wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Ahh c'mon now... If it does not run on a Tandy 1000; its crap.

if it does not have 8" drives its not real

i will go to bed now :)


Regards Benny

... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

--- Msged/LNX 6.1.2 (Linux/4.17.2-gentoo (x86_64))
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On 21 Jun 18 07:50:32, Benny Pedersen said the following to Nick Andre:

Ahh c'mon now... If it does not run on a Tandy 1000; its crap.

if it does not have 8" drives its not real

Actually, its sortof sad to see that many newer laptops being sold these days no longer come with CD/DVD/Bluray disk drives.

Nick

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Trust me, the vast majority of users have no problems reporting bugs and you
would be hard-pressed to compare the level of tech support I provide with that
of any open-source mailer or tosser today.

For example... you can pick up the phone and call me, anytime, 24/7, if
you
feel that there is a show-stopper bug in my software. And I will fix it.
I
will not tell you to "compile it yourself" because for me that sort of answer
is the same as "GFY"... I'm sure you know what that means.

I'll 2nd your opinion of your support - you have yet to tell me GFY. Running dBridge on Linux in DOSBox was a blessing not a demand! So any quirks are just reported, and I only try to make a reproducable report - as I know I am running
one of your latest 3.99 SRs.

dBridge is awesome, and I wish I had ran it in the 90's instead of registering IM. I only switched to IM over FD, as I saw a demo of installation and setup - it was much easier... but db3, I think I only setup 2 screens - everything just
worked - NICE!

my $0.025

--- dBridge & Rhenium
* Origin: RVA Fido Support - ExchangeBBS.com, ModernPascal.com (1:275/362)

... but db3, I think I only
setup 2 screens - everything just worked - NICE!

You must have Dutch ancestors ...

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.99 SR28
* Origin: Resist-Insist-Persist-Enlist / onwardtogether.org (2:292/854)

Hello Nick!

21 Jun 2018 10:58, Nick Andre wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Actually, its sortof sad to see that many newer laptops being sold
these days no longer come with CD/DVD/Bluray disk drives.

yes same sadness that chromebooks wont boot on usb sticks

samsung s9 plus have 256GB storage internal, and can have 400GB external storage as a microsd card, my chromebook have 16GB internal, and upto 128GB external, hamm, android version 6 can make external storage to internel usage, so its possible to use that more storage to apps, what the heck is googles plans for chromebooks ?


Regards Benny

... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

--- Msged/LNX 6.1.2 (Linux/4.17.2-gentoo (x86_64))
* Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)

On 2018 Jun 21 10:58:00, you wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Ahh c'mon now... If it does not run on a Tandy 1000; its crap.

if it does not have 8" drives its not real

Actually, its sortof sad to see that many newer laptops being sold
these days no longer come with CD/DVD/Bluray disk drives.

what?!? really? geez but it is probable because they needed room for the second GPU so that real 3D graphics can be used... personally, i say drop that inferior video card and put in only the one good one and give me back my CD/DVD
AND my floppy drive ;)

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
... A beer delayed is a beer denied.
---
* Origin: (1:3634/12.73)

Actually, its sortof sad to see that many newer laptops being sold these days no longer come with CD/DVD/Bluray disk drives.

I got a very lightweight Lenovo last year for travel purposes ... no CD/DVD.

So I bought a USB-type one at Walmart, works great. can now also play Region1 DVDs on my other machines.

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.99 SR28
* Origin: Resist-Insist-Persist-Enlist / onwardtogether.org (2:292/854)

On 22 Jun 18 10:11:21, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

Actually, its sortof sad to see that many newer laptops being sold these days no longer come with CD/DVD/Bluray disk drives.

I got a very lightweight Lenovo last year for travel purposes ... no CD/DVD

So I bought a USB-type one at Walmart, works great. can now also play Regio DVDs on my other machines.

I just can't imagine someone like you going shopping at Walmart for some reason... ("Excuse me but in Antwerp, underwear comes with a warranty")

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

On 21 Jun 18 12:56:18, Mark Lewis said the following to Nick Andre:

Actually, its sortof sad to see that many newer laptops being sold these days no longer come with CD/DVD/Bluray disk drives.

what?!? really? geez but it is probable because they needed room for the second GPU so that real 3D graphics can be used... personally, i say drop t inferior video card and put in only the one good one and give me back my CD
AND my floppy drive ;)

I'll always have a laptop with a DVD drive, I have wayyyyy too much in my collection to not use it. Even if it is just to copy the image of the DVD to the hard drive to watch it without draining the batteries spinning the disk.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

I never did get to play around with eCS or the new Arc-os (I think thats what
its called?). It might be nice to fire it up in a virtual machine just to mess around with it.

My classic WWIV nodes have run on eCS 2.2 for quite some time now. I have yet to experiment with ArcaOS, but wouldn't mind experiementing with it.

Even though networking support has gotten much better in eCS (using Samba), it still has issues. If you have a mapped drive from eCS to a Windows machine - and reboot the Windows machine, eCS will crash.

Would love to test ArcaOS one of these days to see if I can get better stability with networking using it.

But I have a strong feeling that my current setup will remain on 32-bit Windows "for life". I may use a new modern OS for day to day stuff, but
the BBS and especially the Fido stuff will always be on 32-bit Windows.

Nothing wrong with that. Hell, I'm still running a 16-bit DOS BBS which is why
the nodes stay on eCS. Doesn't make any difference to me since it is a VM and can still run on the most beefy hardware out on the market.

- Mark

--- WWIVToss v.1.52
* Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (1:261/1304.0)

D'Bridge is a closed-sourced product that is trusted 100% to power the entire
ZC operation of now two Fido zones. There is a good reason why.

D'Bridge is also the "WWIVnet Approved" hub for WWIVnet-FTN.. :)

- Mark

--- WWIVToss v.1.52
* Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (1:261/1304.0)

I never did get to play around with eCS or the new Arc-os (I think
thats what its called?). It might be nice to fire it up in a virtual machine just to mess around with it.

Arcaos is on sale for 109 bucks for the next few days.

... [CE] 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.

--- WWIV 5.4.0.2738
* Origin: Inland Utopia BBS * utopiabbs.duckdns.org:2323 (1:218/109)

On Wed Jul-04-2018 19:41, Matt Munson (1:218/109) wrote to Mark Hofmann:

I never did get to play around with eCS or the new Arc-os (I think
thats what its called?). It might be nice to fire it up in a virtual machine just to mess around with it.

Arcaos is on sale for 109 bucks for the next few days.

IMO, $1.09 would be too much. I used OS/2 for almost 5 years and its reincarnations aren't as good.


Regards,

Roger
--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Karen Elkin
* Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)

IMO, $1.09 would be too much. I used OS/2 for almost 5 years and its reincarnations aren't as good.

eCS would be great if that networking bug/crash was corrected. Not sure if it is a Samba issue or core eCS issue, but it is very easy to reproduce.

Map a drive from eCS to anything. Then reboot the system where you have the mapped drive. eCS will crash with a JFS file system error.

- Mark

--- WWIVToss v.1.52
* Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (1:261/1304.0)

On Fri Jul-06-2018 10:29, Mark Hofmann (1:261/1304) wrote to Roger Nelson:

IMO, $1.09 would be too much. I used OS/2 for almost 5 years and its reincarnations aren't as good.

eCS would be great if that networking bug/crash was corrected. Not
sure if it is a Samba issue or core eCS issue, but it is very easy
to reproduce.

Yes, but the problem is that they bailed, too. eCS showed more promise than ArcaOS 5.

Map a drive from eCS to anything. Then reboot the system where you
have the mapped drive. eCS will crash with a JFS file system
error.

I didn't go that far with it.


Regards,

Roger
--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Jane Sibbett
* Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)

Yes, but the problem is that they bailed, too. eCS showed more promise
than ArcaOS 5.

Damn, I was wondering if that was the case since there have not been any updates on eCS for awhile. At least the Samba team is still making builds for OS/2 (eCS/ArcaOS,etc).

I didn't go that far with it.

That is the only way to run my classic setup. The nodes map drives to a Windows VM. It works fine most of the time, but if I forget and reboot my Windows VM for patches or whatever, eCS takes a dive.

I am curious to see if ArcaOS has a better networking implementation, but it isn't worth $100+ to find that out..

- Mark

--- WWIVToss v.1.52
* Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (1:261/1304.0)

On Sat Jul-07-2018 08:13, Mark Hofmann (1:261/1304) wrote to Roger Nelson:

Yes, but the problem is that they bailed, too. eCS showed more promise
than ArcaOS 5.

[...]

That is the only way to run my classic setup. The nodes map drives
to a Windows VM. It works fine most of the time, but if I forget
and reboot my Windows VM for patches or whatever, eCS takes a dive.

I am curious to see if ArcaOS has a better networking
implementation, but it isn't worth $100+ to find that out..

You can ask Robert Wolfe. I believe he runs it.


Regards,

Roger
--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Tory Mussett
* Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)

I am curious to see if ArcaOS has a better networking implementation,
but it isn't worth $100+ to find that out..

I think they have to pay ibm licencing fees likely 30-40 bucks a seat and
also pay for device driver coders.

--- WWIV 5.4.0.2738
* Origin: Inland Utopia BBS * utopiabbs.duckdns.org:2323 (1:218/109)

I think they have to pay ibm licencing fees likely 30-40 bucks a seat and also pay for device driver coders.

If that is the case, IBM didn't really sell OS/2 (completely). It wouldn't be the first blunder from IBM.. I seem to remember them giving away DOS to a couple of kids coding in their garage that later became Microsoft.. :)

- Mark

--- WWIVToss v.1.52
* Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (1:261/1304.0)

Hi Ward,

On 2018-07-15 22:20:23, you wrote to Matt Munson:

@MSGID: 2:292/854 171b2652
@REPLY: 1:218/109 5B41B1FA
@TID: WWIV NET51.2738
@CHRS: CP437 2
@TZUTC: -0700
@MSGID: 1:218/109 5B41B1FA
@REPLY: 1:261/1304 5B40AE57y way to run my classic setup. The nodes map

This is even worse! A double and different MSGID: and REPLY: kludge.

And some random text behind the REPLY: kludge ???

You software sucks...

***************************************************************************
**
Date: 07 Jul 18 23:40:57
From: Matt Munson
To: Mark Hofmann
Subj: Re: D'Bridge 3.99/SR32 released and avai ___________________________________________________________________________
_ ***************************************************************************
**

Whakky reply-kludge.

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

And some random text behind the REPLY: kludge ???

You must be a Dutchman ...

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.99 SR33
* Origin: Resist-Insist-Persist-Enlist / onwardtogether.org (2:292/854)

RE: Re: D'Bridge 3.99/SR32 released and avai
BY: Wilfred van Velzen(2:280/464)

This is even worse! A double and different MSGID: and REPLY: kludge.
And some random text behind the REPLY: kludge ???

I am using a current version right now. We are testing it as its progressing.

... [CE] Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.

--- WWIV 5.4.0.2786
* Origin: Inland Utopia BBS * utopiabbs.duckdns.org:2323 (1:218/109)

Roger,

This is even worse! A double and different MSGID: and REPLY: kludge. MM>WV> And some random text behind the REPLY: kludge ???

I am using a current version right now. We are testing it as its progressing.

Could you please tell these people to go test their crap elsewhere and not in the support-echo of a functional product ?

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.99 SR33
* Origin: Resist-Insist-Persist-Enlist / onwardtogether.org (2:292/854)

On Sun Jul-15-2018 16:10, Mark Hofmann (1:261/1304) wrote to Matt Munson:

I think they have to pay ibm licencing fees likely 30-40 bucks a seat and also pay for device driver coders.

If that is the case, IBM didn't really sell OS/2 (completely). It wouldn't be the first blunder from IBM..

I seem to remember them giving away DOS to a couple of kids coding
in their garage that later became Microsoft.. :)

Not true.

I was willing to help out with some paths to sources that still run OS/2 or its
variants successfully, but I have to draw the line somewhere because this whole
thread is off topic.


Regards,

Roger
--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Shirley Talley
* Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)

On Sun Jul-15-2018 23:51, Wilfred van Velzen (2:280/464) wrote to Ward Dossche:

Thank you for your input, Wilfred, but it is out of place here.

Hi Ward,

On 2018-07-15 22:20:23, you wrote to Matt Munson:

@MSGID: 2:292/854 171b2652
@REPLY: 1:218/109 5B41B1FA
@TID: WWIV NET51.2738
@CHRS: CP437 2
@TZUTC: -0700
@MSGID: 1:218/109 5B41B1FA
@REPLY: 1:261/1304 5B40AE57y way to run my classic setup. The nodes map

This is even worse! A double and different MSGID: and REPLY:
kludge.

And some random text behind the REPLY: kludge ???

You software sucks...

**********************************************************************
*****
**
Date: 07 Jul 18 23:40:57
From: Matt Munson
To: Mark Hofmann
Subj: Re: D'Bridge 3.99/SR32 released and avai

______________________________________________________________________
_____
_

**********************************************************************
*****
**

Whakky reply-kludge.

Bye, Wilfred.

___ FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
- Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Regards,

Roger
--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
* Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)

On Mon Jul-16-2018 00:07, Ward Dossche (2:292/854) wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

And some random text behind the REPLY: kludge ???

You must be a Dutchman ...

Wherever did you get that idea?


Regards,

Roger
--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Dagmara Dominczyk
* Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)

On Sun Jul-15-2018 18:37, Matt Munson (1:218/109) wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:

RE: Re: D'Bridge 3.99/SR32 released and avai
BY: Wilfred van Velzen(2:280/464)

This is even worse! A double and different MSGID: and REPLY: kludge.
And some random text behind the REPLY: kludge ???

I am using a current version right now. We are testing it as its progressing.

If this is not about D'Bridge, please move this thread elsewhere.


Regards,

Roger
--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Marguerite Stone
* Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)

On Mon Jul-16-2018 08:28, Ward Dossche (2:292/854) wrote to Moderator:

Roger,

[...]

Could you please tell these people to go test their crap elsewhere
and not in the support-echo of a functional product ?

I already did.


Regards,

Roger
--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Mary Stone
* Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)

And some random text behind the REPLY: kludge ???

You must be a Dutchman ...

Wherever did you get that idea?

For stating the obvious as if nobody had already noticed...

It's a bit like Russians who always answer with a URL.

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.99 SR33
* Origin: Resist-Insist-Persist-Enlist / onwardtogether.org (2:292/854)

On Tue Jul-17-2018 17:11, Ward Dossche (2:292/854) wrote to Roger Nelson:

And some random text behind the REPLY: kludge ???

You must be a Dutchman ...

Wherever did you get that idea?

For stating the obvious as if nobody had already noticed...

It's a bit like Russians who always answer with a URL.

That mountain range in Russia?


Regards,

Roger
--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Glynnis O'Connor
* Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)

Hello Ward!

15 Jul 2018 22:20, Ward Dossche wrote to Matt Munson:

You software sucks...
Whakky reply-kludge.

is haertbeat solved ? :)


Regards Benny

... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

--- Msged/LNX 6.1.2 (Linux/4.17.8-gentoo (x86_64))
* Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)

Hello Wilfred!

15 Jul 2018 23:51, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Ward Dossche:

Hi Ward,

On 2018-07-15 22:20:23, you wrote to Matt Munson:

@MSGID: 2:292/854 171b2652
@MSGID: 1:218/109 5B41B1FA
@REPLY: 1:261/1304 5B40AE57y way to run my classic setup. The nodes
map

This is even worse! A double and different MSGID: and REPLY: kludge.

not really, node number makes it uniq, for the reply, just lol :)

y is not valid hex char, seems dos2unix problem in that line

And some random text behind the REPLY: kludge ???

lotto


Regards Benny

... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

--- Msged/LNX 6.1.2 (Linux/4.17.8-gentoo (x86_64))
* Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)

Hello Ward!

16 Jul 2018 00:07, Ward Dossche wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

And some random text behind the REPLY: kludge ???

You must be a Dutchman ...

i prefer to be a dane in netherland :)


Regards Benny

... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

--- Msged/LNX 6.1.2 (Linux/4.17.8-gentoo (x86_64))
* Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)

On 19 Jul 18 13:18:52, Benny Pedersen said the following to Wilfred Van Velzen:

This is even worse! A double and different MSGID: and REPLY: kludge.

not really, node number makes it uniq, for the reply, just lol :)

y is not valid hex char, seems dos2unix problem in that line

And some random text behind the REPLY: kludge ???

Benny, can please take this thread to another echo.

"Thank you kindly"

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

On Thu Jul-19-2018 13:17, Benny Pedersen (2:230/0) wrote to Ward Dossche:

Hello Ward!

15 Jul 2018 22:20, Ward Dossche wrote to Matt Munson:

You software sucks...
Whakky reply-kludge.

is haertbeat solved ? :)

Excuse me Benny, but I just woke up from a long nap only to discover you are still off topic.


Regards,

Roger
--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Jane Green
* Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)

Hello Nick!

19 Jul 2018 19:02, Nick Andre wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Benny, can please take this thread to another echo.

sure, its spamming

"Thank you kindly"

i am opensource minded, that means i like to give something back on errors in hope developpers listen and thus solves the problem


Regards Benny

... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

--- Msged/LNX 6.1.2 (Linux/4.17.8-gentoo (x86_64))
* Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)

On 20 Jul 18 12:08:32, Benny Pedersen said the following to Nick Andre:

"Thank you kindly"

i am opensource minded, that means i like to give something back on errors hope developpers listen and thus solves the problem

When it works on a Tandy 1000, let me know.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

On Thu Jul-26-2018 16:46, Nick Andre (1:229/426) wrote to Benny Pedersen:

On 20 Jul 18 12:08:32, Benny Pedersen said the following to Nick
Andre:

"Thank you kindly"

i am opensource minded, that means i like to give something back on
errors hope developpers listen and thus solves the problem

When it works on a Tandy 1000, let me know.

Will it work on a CoCo? (-:


Regards,

Roger
--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Nancy Sinatra
* Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)

On 27 Jul 18 13:18:03, Roger Nelson said the following to Nick Andre:

"Thank you kindly"

i am opensource minded, that means i like to give something back on
errors hope developpers listen and thus solves the problem

When it works on a Tandy 1000, let me know.

Will it work on a CoCo? (-:

Which model?

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

On Fri Jul-27-2018 15:03, Nick Andre (1:229/426) wrote to Roger Nelson:

On 27 Jul 18 13:18:03, Roger Nelson said the following to Nick
Andre:

"Thank you kindly"

i am opensource minded, that means i like to give something back on
errors hope developpers listen and thus solves the problem

When it works on a Tandy 1000, let me know.

Will it work on a CoCo? (-:

Which model?

The CoCo 3. I favored the Amiga A500 back then because I was told it had contiguous memory, but no one was writing programs for it and it was rather pricey and/or pricy, which means it cost a lot.

I came across a BASIC program written for it and converted it to run on an IBM compatible.


Regards,

Roger
--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Julie Newmar
* Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)

Hello Roger!

27 Jul 2018 16:46, Roger Nelson wrote to Nick Andre:

I came across a BASIC program written for it and converted it to run
on an IBM compatible.

would you mind put it on github.com ?


Regards Benny

... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

--- Msged/LNX 6.1.2 (Linux/4.17.10-gentoo (x86_64))
* Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (2:230/0)

On Sat Jul-28-2018 21:30, Benny Pedersen (2:230/0) wrote to Roger Nelson:

27 Jul 2018 16:46, Roger Nelson wrote to Nick Andre:

I came across a BASIC program written for it and converted it to run
on an IBM compatible.

would you mind put it on github.com ?

I can't, because I no longer have it.


Regards,

Roger
--- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ Bobbie Eakes
* Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)