• D'Bridge 4 status

    From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to All on Thu Jan 25 23:35:14 2018
    Hi everyone, lets get our harmonicas ready as I'm afraid I'm singing the blues.... but no, I will not share the booze in the brown paper bag.

    D'Bridge 4 is in total limbo at this point. I'm too busy with a school course which I'm beginning to regret enrolling in, and holding down two jobs and raising the munchkin - Who may soon be the youngest RC/NC in Fidonet as I am giving serious consideration to letting her run my mail-hub system.

    I had a phone call with Chris Irwin, the original author, and we both agree that the code may not be possible to port over to a "modern" compiler; because there is a LOT of code specifically written for MS-DOS and the IBM PC/XT.

    I managed to get DBUTIL compiled for Linux and Windows 32/64-bit, but the mailer, editor, nodelist compiler, etc. makes heavy use of a third-party library called Turbopower. The database code would need a complete overhaul to say nothing about all of the assembler-code for EMSI/Zmodem, dialup, etc.

    Its one of these things that needs time and perhaps someone to help me port the code over, if possible. I've contemplated paying someone to rewrite some of the stuff just to get the ball rolling, but not sure.

    The program means so much to so many people, but I cannot trust anyone else to work on it; nor can I open-source it as I made a gentlemans-agreement with Chris never to do so.

    Nick

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nick Andre on Fri Jan 26 08:28:05 2018
    Hi Nick,

    On 2018-01-25 23:35:14, you wrote to All:

    nor can I open-source it as I made a gentlemans-agreement with Chris
    never to do so.

    Maybe Chris can change his mind after all these years? Opensource has a much bigger impact in the world today, then it used to have when you took over. Have
    you asked him lately?

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri Jan 26 10:48:41 2018

    Wilfred,

    nor can I open-source it as I made a gentlemans-agreement with Chris Wv>NA> never to do so.

    Maybe Chris can change his mind after all these years? Opensource has a much bigger impact in the world today, then it used to have when you took over. Have you asked him lately?

    That's theory ... now on to the real world ...

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR16
    * Origin: Resist-Insist-Persist-Enlist / onwardtogether.org (2:292/854)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jan 26 11:10:01 2018
    Hi Ward,

    On 2018-01-26 10:48:41, you wrote to me:

    nor can I open-source it as I made a gentlemans-agreement with
    Chris NA> never to do so.

    Maybe Chris can change his mind after all these years? Opensource has a
    much bigger impact in the world today, then it used to have when you
    took over. Have you asked him lately?

    That's theory ... now on to the real world ...

    It doesn't hurt to ask again, peoples opinions change...

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Nick Andre on Fri Jan 26 07:02:58 2018
    On Thu Jan-25-2018 23:35, Nick Andre (1:229/426) wrote to All:

    Hi everyone, lets get our harmonicas ready as I'm afraid I'm
    singing the blues.... but no, I will not share the booze in the
    brown paper bag.

    D'Bridge 4 is in total limbo at this point. I'm too busy with a
    school course which I'm beginning to regret enrolling in, and
    holding down two jobs and raising the munchkin - Who may soon be
    the youngest RC/NC in Fidonet as I am giving serious consideration
    to letting her run my mail-hub system.

    I had a phone call with Chris Irwin, the original author, and we
    both agree that the code may not be possible to port over to a
    "modern" compiler; because there is a LOT of code specifically
    written for MS-DOS and the IBM PC/XT.

    I managed to get DBUTIL compiled for Linux and Windows 32/64-bit,
    but the mailer, editor, nodelist compiler, etc. makes heavy use of
    a third-party library called Turbopower. The database code would
    need a complete overhaul to say nothing about all of the
    assembler-code for EMSI/Zmodem, dialup, etc.

    Its one of these things that needs time and perhaps someone to help
    me port the code over, if possible. I've contemplated paying
    someone to rewrite some of the stuff just to get the ball rolling,
    but not sure.

    The program means so much to so many people, but I cannot trust
    anyone else to work on it; nor can I open-source it as I made a gentlemans-agreement with Chris never to do so.

    Good for you and good luck in the future.


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Vince Coen@2:250/1 to Nick Andre on Fri Jan 26 18:04:33 2018
    Hello Nick!

    Thursday January 25 2018 23:35, you wrote to All:

    I managed to get DBUTIL compiled for Linux and Windows 32/64-bit, but
    the mailer, editor, nodelist compiler, etc. makes heavy use of a
    third-party library called Turbopower. The database code would need a complete overhaul to say nothing about all of the assembler-code for EMSI/Zmodem, dialup, etc.

    I seem to have that is use with FileMgr but do not have all of the source libraries that I would
    need to convert over to fpc.

    What I do have are .TPUs which are not helpful and I cannot find the original TP programmer to
    try and get them.

    Trying to re-write it is not really an option as it will take far too much time - assuming my
    rusty language skills is even up to it.

    How ever if you have access to these missing source please get in touch.

    Vince

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  • From Joe Bruchis@1:3828/12 to Nick Andre on Sun Jan 28 17:10:03 2018


    The program means so much to so many people, but I cannot trust anyone
    else to
    work on it; nor can I open-source it as I made a gentlemans-agreement

    Sorry to hear this Nick, but I think all understand your circumstances. I just hope this doesn't interfere with the fishing trip we've been planning for the last 10 years. (-:

    Thanks for all the progress you made. Maybe one day you'll take it up again.

    Regards,
    Joe

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
    * Origin: (1:3828/12)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Mon Jan 29 22:36:10 2018
    On 26 Jan 18 08:28:05, Wilfred Van Velzen said the following to Nick Andre:

    nor can I open-source it as I made a gentlemans-agreement with Chris never to do so.

    Maybe Chris can change his mind after all these years? Opensource has a muc bigger impact in the world today, then it used to have when you took over. Have you asked him lately?

    Its not that black and white.

    Lets just say that D'Bridge users for the most part, enjoy having "one neck to strangle" when things go wrong. They enjoy seeing it worked on by someone
    who actually uses it to run a large mail-hub system.

    They like having the ability to directly talk to the programmer or have the programmer fix whatever problem for them in real-time via. remote-access.

    Users tend to fall in love with their programs. Its hard to keep that love when someone forks it, changes or remove functionality without reason, doesn't understand that the "quirks" are there for a reason, or generally doesn't care about the users.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Vince Coen on Mon Jan 29 22:39:26 2018
    On 26 Jan 18 18:04:33, Vince Coen said the following to Nick Andre:

    I managed to get DBUTIL compiled for Linux and Windows 32/64-bit, but
    the mailer, editor, nodelist compiler, etc. makes heavy use of a
    third-party library called Turbopower. The database code would need a complete overhaul to say nothing about all of the assembler-code for EMSI/Zmodem, dialup, etc.

    I seem to have that is use with FileMgr but do not have all of the source libraries that I would
    need to convert over to fpc.

    Thats whats really holding up the show here, is two sets of 3rd-party developer tools that are VERY specific to MS-DOS.

    One is Turbopower's B-Tree ISAM library for the nodelist compiler, the other is TPCRT to replace the standard CRT library.

    I can deal with rewriting the TPCRT components but man, the ISAM code is so deeply nested, so intertwined, so involved with ALL aspects of the mailer.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nick Andre on Tue Jan 30 08:44:47 2018
    Hi Nick,

    On 2018-01-29 22:36:10, you wrote to me:

    Maybe Chris can change his mind after all these years? Opensource has
    a muc bigger impact in the world today, then it used to have when you
    took over. Have you asked him lately?

    Its not that black and white.

    It never is... ;)

    Users tend to fall in love with their programs. Its hard to keep that
    love when someone forks it, changes or remove functionality without reason, doesn't understand that the "quirks" are there for a reason,
    or generally doesn't care about the users.

    I don't think you have to worry about that in todays fidonet. My experience with Binkd, Golded and FMail, all opensource, is excelent.

    But you are not answering my questions? ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Tue Jan 30 05:48:08 2018
    On 30 Jan 18 08:44:47, Wilfred Van Velzen said the following to Nick Andre:

    Users tend to fall in love with their programs. Its hard to keep that love when someone forks it, changes or remove functionality without reason, doesn't understand that the "quirks" are there for a reason, or generally doesn't care about the users.

    I don't think you have to worry about that in todays fidonet. My experience with Binkd, Golded and FMail, all opensource, is excelent.

    That is your experience...

    But you are not answering my questions? ;)

    What questions? Why are you winking at me?

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nick Andre on Tue Jan 30 12:48:45 2018
    Hi Nick,

    On 2018-01-30 05:48:08, you wrote to me:

    What questions?

    Those you didn't quote...

    Maybe Chris can change his mind after all these years?

    Have you asked him lately?

    Why are you winking at me?

    Because I found it funny how you didn't answer the question...

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Tue Jan 30 10:44:35 2018
    On 30 Jan 18 12:48:45, Wilfred Van Velzen said the following to Nick Andre:

    Maybe Chris can change his mind after all these years?

    Have you asked him lately?

    Why are you winking at me?

    Because I found it funny how you didn't answer the question...

    Whats funny is that scientists have recently discovered that there are three different variations of the female orgasm.

    Theres the positive orgasm. Oh yes, oh yes.

    Theres the religious orgasm. Oh god, oh god.

    And then theres the fake orgasm. Oh Wilfred, Oh Wilfred.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nick Andre on Tue Jan 30 17:05:25 2018
    Hi Nick,

    On 2018-01-30 10:44:35, you wrote to me:

    Maybe Chris can change his mind after all these years?

    Have you asked him lately?

    Why are you winking at me?

    Because I found it funny how you didn't answer the question...

    Whats funny is that scientists have recently discovered that there are three different variations of the female orgasm.

    Theres the positive orgasm. Oh yes, oh yes.

    Theres the religious orgasm. Oh god, oh god.

    And then theres the fake orgasm. Oh Wilfred, Oh Wilfred.

    Yes, funny... But you still not answering the question.

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Tue Jan 30 11:20:25 2018
    On 30 Jan 18 17:05:25, Wilfred Van Velzen said the following to Nick Andre:

    Yes, funny... But you still not answering the question.

    Yes I spoken with Chris recently, in the last couple months I believe.

    No, I did not ask to open-source D'Bridge. I had no desire to then, just as I had no desire to in 2005.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nick Andre on Tue Jan 30 18:10:39 2018
    Hi Nick,

    On 2018-01-30 11:20:25, you wrote to me:

    Yes, funny... But you still not answering the question.

    Yes I spoken with Chris recently, in the last couple months I believe.

    No, I did not ask to open-source D'Bridge. I had no desire to then, just
    as
    I had no desire to in 2005.

    Ok, thanks for the answer...

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Rob Cole@1:261/1304 to Nick Andre on Tue Jan 30 11:20:29 2018

    One is Turbopower's B-Tree ISAM library for the nodelist compiler, the other is TPCRT to replace the standard CRT library.

    TurboPower open sourced almost everything they had.

    https://sourceforge.net/p/tpbtreefiler/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/

    OPRO was open sourced too but looks like the archive didn't make it to sourceforge when TurboPower released everything. It's been integrated into vpacal and also here https://github.com/OS2World/DEV-PASCAL-UTIL-OBJPRFVP/blob/master/opcrt.pas

    Rob

    --- WWIVToss v.1.52
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  • From Mark Hofmann@1:261/1304 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Wed Jan 31 13:16:54 2018

    It doesn't hurt to ask again, peoples opinions change...

    Agreed.

    I have seen several examples of WWIV related programs that were originally never supposed to be open sourced. I have not hit any resistance on any of them changing their minds and allowing them to be open sourced.

    Some were happy and suprised to see after all these years the application was still being used. They were more than willing to both provide me with the original source and grant the right to allow to be open sourced.

    - Mark

    --- WWIVToss v.1.52
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  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Nick Andre on Wed Jan 31 21:00:20 2018
    On Tue Jan-30-2018 10:44, Nick Andre (1:229/426) wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:

    On 30 Jan 18 12:48:45, Wilfred Van Velzen said the following to
    Nick Andre:

    Maybe Chris can change his mind after all these years?

    Have you asked him lately?

    Why are you winking at me?

    Because I found it funny how you didn't answer the question...

    Whats funny is that scientists have recently discovered that there
    are three different variations of the female orgasm.

    Theres the positive orgasm. Oh yes, oh yes.

    Theres the religious orgasm. Oh god, oh god.

    And then theres the fake orgasm. Oh Wilfred, Oh Wilfred.

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    Demetrius.


    Regards,

    Roger
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    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Jan 31 21:05:42 2018
    On Tue Jan-30-2018 17:05, Wilfred van Velzen (2:280/464) wrote to Nick Andre:

    Hi Nick,

    On 2018-01-30 10:44:35, you wrote to me:

    Maybe Chris can change his mind after all these years?

    Have you asked him lately?

    Why are you winking at me?

    Because I found it funny how you didn't answer the question...

    Whats funny is that scientists have recently discovered that there are three different variations of the female orgasm.

    Theres the positive orgasm. Oh yes, oh yes.

    Theres the religious orgasm. Oh god, oh god.

    And then theres the fake orgasm. Oh Wilfred, Oh Wilfred.

    Yes, funny... But you still not answering the question.

    Please restate the question.


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Roger Nelson on Thu Feb 1 09:28:43 2018
    Hi Roger,

    On 2018-01-31 21:05:42, you wrote to me:

    Maybe Chris can change his mind after all these years?

    Have you asked him lately?

    Why are you winking at me?

    Because I found it funny how you didn't answer the question...

    Whats funny is that scientists have recently discovered that there are
    three different variations of the female orgasm.

    Theres the positive orgasm. Oh yes, oh yes.

    Theres the religious orgasm. Oh god, oh god.

    And then theres the fake orgasm. Oh Wilfred, Oh Wilfred.

    Yes, funny... But you still not answering the question.

    Please restate the question.

    Please keep up... You quoted it, and it has already been answered by Nick.

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Wilfred van Velzen on Thu Feb 1 07:54:08 2018
    On Thu Feb-01-2018 09:28, Wilfred van Velzen (2:280/464) wrote to Roger Nelson:

    On 2018-01-31 21:05:42, you wrote to me:

    Maybe Chris can change his mind after all these years?

    Have you asked him lately?

    Why are you winking at me?

    Because I found it funny how you didn't answer the question...

    Whats funny is that scientists have recently discovered that there are
    three different variations of the female orgasm.

    Theres the positive orgasm. Oh yes, oh yes.

    Theres the religious orgasm. Oh god, oh god.

    And then theres the fake orgasm. Oh Wilfred, Oh Wilfred.

    Yes, funny... But you still not answering the question.

    Please restate the question.

    Please keep up... You quoted it, and it has already been answered
    by Nick.

    I didn't see Nick's answer before I wrote that.

    Also, some friendly advice: one must take care not to upset the moderator.


    Regards,

    Roger
    --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+
    * Origin: NCS BBS - Houma, LoUiSiAna - (1:3828/7)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Roger Nelson on Thu Feb 1 15:38:14 2018
    Hi Roger,

    On 2018-02-01 07:54:08, you wrote to me:

    Also, some friendly advice: one must take care not to upset the
    moderator.

    How is asking this question upsetting?


    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Gene Buckle@1:138/142 to Nick Andre on Mon Feb 5 09:02:57 2018
    Re: D'Bridge 4 status
    By: Nick Andre to All on Thu Jan 25 2018 11:35 pm

    I managed to get DBUTIL compiled for Linux and Windows 32/64-bit, but the mailer, editor, nodelist compiler, etc. makes heavy use of a third-party library called Turbopower. The database code would need a complete overhaul say nothing about all of the assembler-code for EMSI/Zmodem, dialup, etc.

    Nick, it might be worth your while to take a look at using SQLite for the DB stuff that TurboPower handled (I do wish someone would have ported the Object Professional code by now - it's awesome.) - here's an example: http://wiki.freepascal.org/SQLite. I think the code may be a bit Lazarus-centric, but it should work similarly for FPC itself.

    g.
    --- SBBSecho 2.27-Win32
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