Just catching up on some things... I have not had time to read
recent posts in detail.
Can someone please clarify, in one or two sentences, what the
apparent problem is with passwords and where the supposed bug lines herein?
Can someone please clarify, in one or two sentences, what the apparent problem is with passwords and where the supposed bug lines herein?
Can someone please clarify, in one or two sentences, what the apparent problem is with passwords and where the supposed bug lines herein?
Just catching up on some things... I have not had time to read recent posts in detail.
Can someone please clarify, in one or two sentences, what the apparent problem is with passwords and where the supposed bug lines herein?
Keep in mind - DB's packet code has remained unchanged for many many years... for a reason. It works for the vast majority of people.
Also keep in mind my system - Darkrealms - Exchanges mail with at
least 50, maybe 60+ downlinks, systems running Mystic, Synchronet,
BBBS, etc etc... a multitude of different software. Darkrealms is a
very popular mail-Hub, and DB powers all of the mail operation. No
packet utilities, no custom workflows. Darkrealms also constantly exchanges mail with a NAB system - Ross Cassell.
So if someone is having problems receiving mail from a DB system, it
is not the DB system that is "buggy" nor does it need custom passwords
or overrides specified in the BinkD configuration.
If I am not running ANY custom workarounds for the 60+ some-odd
downlinks I exchange mail with, it stands to reason nobody else here should be either.
It should not be difficult for ANY system or BBS to accept packet passwords.
Just my two cents?
I sent two NETmails to you regarding this problem which just popped up a fe months ago and tried to explain it as well as I could, keeping it short and the point. Since I didn't hear from you, I naturally figured you must be v busy.
Can someone please clarify, in one or two sentences, what the apparent problem is with passwords and where the supposed bug lines herein?
It appears that D'Bridge is adding passwords to outbound FTN packets when t sysop using D'Bridge has not explicity configured it to do so.
However, it has been proven that some DB systems (if not all?) are sending packet password while utilizing the "Session Password" setting in the Secur section of DB. At the very least, that "Session Password" is being included the original packet and noticed by the latest Mystic and Synchronet tossers
On 28 May 16 13:54:00, Roger Nelson said the following to Nick
Andre:
I sent two NETmails to you regarding this problem which just popped
up a fe months ago and tried to explain it as well as I could,
keeping it short and the point. Since I didn't hear from you, I
naturally figured you must be very busy.
I checked.
It is normal for the session password to included as the packet
password.
It appears to of been designed this way since DB's inception.
The Packet Password screen is to override what is inserted.
On 28 May 16 13:13:13, Rob Swindell said the following to Nick Andre:
Can someone please clarify, in one or two sentences, what the apparent problem is with passwords and where the supposed bug lines herein?
It appears that D'Bridge is adding passwords to outbound FTN packets when t sysop using D'Bridge has not explicity configured it to do so.
Not a bug. DB is designed this way, and the Packet Password screen overrides the password inserted.
Not a bug. DB is designed this way, and the Packet Password screen overrides the password inserted.
Re: Re: I'm confused
By: Nick Andre to Rob Swindell on Sun May 29 2016 10:58:11
Not a bug. DB is designed this way, and the Packet Password screen overrides the password inserted.
If I understand you correctly, if you do not configure a password,
but have a session pw, that will be used as the packet PW, whether
it is wanted or not. Should you configure a packet password that
is different then the session PW, that is the one that would be
used for the packet PW
Is that correct (sorry, my question mark comes up as É right now.)
Not a bug. DB is designed this way, and the Packet Password screen overrides the password inserted.
If I understand you correctly, if you do not configure a password, but have session pw, that will be used as the packet PW, whether it is wanted or not Should you configure a packet password that is different then the session P that is the one that would be used for the packet PW
Not a bug. DB is designed this way, and the Packet Password screen overrides the password inserted.
Oh, then you should point the DB sysops to the documentation that says that There's been a lot of confusion and finger-pointing over this "non-bug". It sounds like an incorrect "design" to me, but that's just my opinion.
On 29 May 16 18:42:36, Rob Swindell said the following to Nick Andre:
Oh, then you should point the DB sysops to the documentation thatsays that
There's been a lot of confusion and finger-pointing over this"non-bug". It
sounds like an incorrect "design" to me, but that's just my opinion.
Perhaps, but this is the way it was designed since the beginning IIRC.
Not a bug. DB is designed this way, and the Packet Password screen
overrides the password inserted.
If I understand you correctly, if you do not configure a password,
but have a session pw, that will be used as the packet PW, whether it
is wanted or not. Should you configure a packet password that is
different then the session PW, that is the one that would be used for
the packet PW
Maybe others should ask Chris Irwin why he did it that way and why
Nick left it that way, but I'm positive both have good reasons. In
fact, the more I think about it, the clearer it becomes.
If I understand you correctly, if you do not configure a password,
but have a session pw, that will be used as the packet PW, whether
it is wanted or not. Should you configure a packet password that
is different then the session PW, that is the one that would be
used for the packet PW
Maybe others should ask Chris Irwin why he did it that way and why Nick left it
that way, but I'm positive both have good reasons. In fact, the more I think about it, the clearer it becomes.
Is that correct (sorry, my question mark comes up as É right now.)
As a suggestion, you should switch windows and then return to your editor window. That should make it go away and return your question mark. What did you expect for FREE? (-:0
If I understand you correctly, if you do not configure a password,
but have session pw, that will be used as the packet PW, whether it
is wanted or not Should you configure a packet password that is
different then the session P that is the one that would be used for
the packet PW
Yes.
Perhaps, but this is the way it was designed since the beginning
IIRC.
So then what would happen when you send mail to a system you don't have a session password with? Answer: No packet password is presented. This is a good thing, IMO, and I like it that way.
Have you received any NETmail from me recently?
I have to reboot windows to fix it. I closed the telnet client, and restarted it, which often fixes it, but not this time.
On 29 May 16 18:42:36, Rob Swindell said the following to Nick Andre:
Not a bug. DB is designed this way, and the Packet Password screen overrides the password inserted.
Oh, then you should point the DB sysops to the documentation that says that There's been a lot of confusion and finger-pointing over this "non-bug". It sounds like an incorrect "design" to me, but that's just my opinion.
Perhaps, but this is the way it was designed since the beginning IIRC.
thenIf I understand you correctly, if you do not configure a password,
but have session pw, that will be used as the packet PW, whether it
is wanted or not Should you configure a packet password that is
different then the session P that is the one that would be used for
the packet PW
Yes.
OK, that clarifies. My thinking is that if you must have a packet PW,
it should be different then the Session PW.
I have to reboot windows to fix it. I closed the telnet client, and
restarted it, which often fixes it, but not this time.
SHIFT-CTRL at the same time will put the keyboard out of french mode
and it will work correctly again.
OK, that clarifies. My thinking is that if you must have a packet
PW, then it should be different then the Session PW.
it cannot always be like that... my previous postings abouot this over the years have explained why this is so...
Re: I'm confused
By: mark lewis to Joe Delahaye on Mon May 30 2016 18:08:08
OK, that clarifies. My thinking is that if you must have a packet
PW, then it should be different then the Session PW.
it cannot always be like that... my previous postings abouot this
over the years have explained why this is so...
Why not? There is absolutely no reason why it should not be so.
It seems that the original programmer of DB decided to force a
packet PW, and others decided to ignore it <G>
SHIFT-CTRL at the same time will put the keyboard out of french mode
and it will work correctly again.
I'll try to remember that <G> I'd like to know how it gets into
that mode though
OK, that clarifies. My thinking is that if you must have a packet
PW, then it should be different then the Session PW.
it cannot always be like that... my previous postings abouot this
over the years have explained why this is so...
Why not? There is absolutely no reason why it should not be so.
It seems that the original programmer of DB decided to force a packet
PW, and others decided to ignore it <G>
it cannot always be like that... my previous postings abouot this
over the years have explained why this is so...
Why not? There is absolutely no reason why it should not be so.
It seems that the original programmer of DB decided to force a
packet PW, and others decided to ignore it <G>
Just as others may decide to ignore your comment. (-:
SHIFT-CTRL at the same time will put the keyboard out of french mode
and it will work correctly again.
I'll try to remember that <G> I'd like to know how it gets into
that mode though
The same way. :) You are typing so fast you hit shift ctrl. ;)
it cannot always be like that... my previous postings abouot this
over the years have explained why this is so...
Why not? There is absolutely no reason why it should not be so.
i've already written about this... many times over the years and once again in the last few days... are you missing mail???
It seems that the original programmer of DB decided to force a
packet PW, and others decided to ignore it <G>
to a point, this is true on both accounts...
EEEEee/? Seems like you have to hit it 3 times to get back to
normal <G>
EEEEee/? Seems like you have to hit it 3 times to get back to
normal <G>
Well now you can do it without rebooting anyway. :) hahaha I don't understand why it works that way.
i've already written about this... many times over the years and once
again in the last few days... are you missing mail???
You may have, and I may have missed it in that case. Explain to me
why it cannot always be like that.
You may have, and I may have missed it in that case. Explain to me
why it cannot always be like that.
see (routed) netmail coming your way... same subject line...
Hopefully it will work that way next time <G> My buddy had a
problem in Skype yesterday, and that trick did not fix it. Perhaps
a reboot of Skype will.
You may have, and I may have missed it in that case. Explain to me
why it cannot always be like that.
see (routed) netmail coming your way... same subject line...
Nothing yet, but you could have sent direct ya know <G>
Ask him to click outside of skype to the windows desktop, then hit the magic keys and it /should/ work. ;)
see (routed) netmail coming your way... same subject line...
Nothing yet, but you could have sent direct ya know <G>
maybe but this is a point system and some systems reject point connections if there's a session level password between the boss and the destination... i don't remember if we have a direct connection, password protected or not...
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