• binkd and mystic and secure sessions

    From Lindsay Zellner@1:298/25 to All on Tue Nov 15 18:32:42 2016
    I am having an issue with a node I pull a feed from differing from my main hub.

    This node uses mystic.

    I am using binkd.

    For my main hub I've set up session passwords and it polls and sends stuff in a secure mode.

    If I poll node y, the special node, it will poll in secure mode, but, if I create a message, and let binkd send it on the next run, it doesn't send in secure mode. Or if the node y calls me, its not secure.

    Any ideas????


    Log info below.. some changed to protect the guilty.

    Here is a poll:

    $ cat binkmystic.txt
    automated poll via cronjon every 4 horus

    rcvd msg NUL VER Mystic/1.12A24 binkp/1.0
    - 15 Nov 08:20:01 [2636] VER Mystic/1.12A24 binkp/1.0
    15 Nov 08:20:01 [2636] remote uses binkp v.1.0
    15 Nov 08:20:01 [2636] rcvd msg ADR 1:39donet
    15 Nov 08:20:01 [2636] created /.bsy
    + 15 Nov 08:20:01 [2636] addr: 1:8@fidonet
    15 Nov 08:20:01 [2636] created /0.bsy
    + 15 Nov 08:20:01 [2636] addr: 1:0@fidonet
    15 Nov 08:20:01 [2636] created /015.bsy
    + 15 Nov 08:20:01 [2636] addr: 11@fidonet
    15 Nov 08:20:01 [2636] created /5.bsy
    + 15 Nov 08:20:01 [2636] adonet
    15 Nov 08:20:01 [2636] Source IP not checked
    15 Nov 08:20:01 [2636] send message NUL TRF 0 0
    15 Nov 08:20:01 [2636] send message PWD CRAM-MD5-4c3b5c91ffd1
    15 Nov 08:20:01 [2636] rcvd msg OK secure


    outbound
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [997] started client #1, id=31999
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] created /home/r4.csy
    + 05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] call to 1:fidonet
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] resolving `m'...
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] trying 764...
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] connected
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] binkp init done, socket # is 3
    + 05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] session with .com (4)
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] send message NUL SYS
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] send message NUL ZYZ
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] send message NUL LOC
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] send message NUL NDL 115200,TCP,BINKP
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] send message NUL TIME Sat, 5 Nov 2016 16:23:43 -0400
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] send message NUL VER binkd/0.9.11/Linux binkp/1.1
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] send message ADR 1:@fidonet
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] send message NUL OPT NDA CRYPT
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] touched /home/44.csy
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] rcvd msg NUL OPT CRAM-MD5-ebb6d945f0855a45d135642d4f12f659
    - 05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] OPT CRAM-MD5-ebb6d9445d135642d4f12f659
    + 05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] Remote requests MD mode
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] rcvd msg NUL SYS
    - 05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] SYS
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] rcvd msg NUL ZYZ
    - 05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] ZYZ
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] rcvd msg NUL VER Mystic/1.12A24 binkp/1.0
    - 05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] VER Mystic/1.12A24 binkp/1.0
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] remote uses binkp v.1.0
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] rcvd msg ADR 1:3
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] created /home/4.bsy
    + 05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] addr: 1:8@fidonet
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] created /home/0.bsy
    + 05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] addr: 1:3/0@fidonet
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] created /home/5.bsy
    + 05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] addr: 1:@fidonet
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] created /home/5.bsy
    + 05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] addr: @fidonet
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] Source IP not checked
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] send message NUL TRF 0 884
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] send message PWD CRAM-MD5-3a49376cc66c1b4e91096bdc33eb7a04
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] rcvd msg OK non-secure
    - 05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] sending /home/6a7.sa0 as 6a7.sa0 (884)
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] send message FILE 6a7.sa0 884 1478377419 0
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] removing flo: /home/4.dlo
    05 Nov 16:23:43 [31999] rcvd msg EOB


    Inbound:

    - 01 Nov 05:00:40 [956] incoming from r.net (4)
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [956] started server #1, id=22564
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] binkp init done, socket # is 4
    + 01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] session with r.net ()
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] send message NUL OPT CRAM-MD5-2f1b20522956375bbf33bca1a6c0d470
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] send message NUL SYS
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] send message NUL ZYZ
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] send message NUL LOC
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] send message NUL NDL 115200,TCP,BINKP
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] send message NUL TIME Tue, 1 Nov 2016 05:00:40 -0400
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] send message NUL VER binkd/0.9.11/Linux binkp/1.1
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] send message ADR 1
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] rcvd msg NUL SYS
    - 01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] SYS T
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] rcvd msg NUL ZYZ
    - 01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] ZYZ
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] rcvd msg NUL VER Mystic/1.12A25 binkp/1.0
    - 01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] VER Mystic/1.12A25 binkp/1.0
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] remote uses binkp v.1.0
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] rcvd msg ADR 1fidonet
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] created /home/r4.bsy
    + 01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] addr: 1:fidonet
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] created /0.bsy
    + 01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] addr: 1:3@fidonet
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] created /home/r15.bsy
    + 01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] addr: 1:@fidonet
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] created /home/5.bsy
    + 01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] addr: 1@fidonet
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] Source IP not checked
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] rcvd msg PWD CRAM-MD5-df1d0f640871f84df
    ? 01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] unexpected password digest from the remote
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] send message OK non-secure
    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] send message EOB
    01 Nov 05:00:41 [22564] rcvd msg FILE b.tu1 788 1477972780 0
    01 Nov 05:00:41 [22564] file not found, trying to create a tmpname
    - 01 Nov 05:00:41 [22564] receiving 0cb.tu1 (788 byte(s), off 0)
    + 01 Nov 05:00:41 [22564] 0102fecb.tu1 -> /home/b.tu1
    01 Nov 05:00:41 [22564] unlinked `/home/b8.hr'
    + 01 Nov 05:00:41 [22564] rcvd: 01b.tu1 (788, 788.00 CPS, 1:393/68@fidonet)
    01 Nov 05:00:41 [22564] send message GOT 01b.tu1 788 1477972780
    01 Nov 05:00:41 [22564] rcvd msg EOB
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Lindsay Zellner on Thu Nov 17 09:38:11 2016
    Hi Lindsay,

    On 2016-11-15 18:32:42, you wrote to All:

    01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] send message NUL VER binkd/0.9.11/Linux
    binkp/1.1

    Try upgrading that to the latest 1.1a release, if nothing else works...

    ? 01 Nov 05:00:40 [22564] unexpected password digest from the remote

    Are you sure the passwords you both use for the connection are identical? Case is important!

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Lindsay Zellner@1:298/25 to Wilfred van Velzen on Thu Nov 17 20:38:00 2016

    Are you sure the passwords you both use for the connection are identical? Case is important!

    Yes.. if I Poll the system it is in secure mode. See log tonight

    The only difference is if I have a mail packet to send to that node, then it is not in secure mode.

    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] send message PWD CRAM-MD5-bc7ae44e6be08b
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] rcvd msg OK secure
    + 17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] pwd protected session (MD5)

    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7442] BEGIN, binkd/0.9.11/Linux -p -P 1:3 /home/lindsayFFA/binkd/binkd.cfg
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7442] creating a poll for 1:@fidonet (`i' flavour)
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7442] clientmgr started
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7442] started client #1, id=7443
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] created /home//binkd/outb/4.csy
    + 17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] call to 1:8@fidonet
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] resolving `c.com'...
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] trying ...
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] connected
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] binkp init done, socket # is 3
    + 17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] session with .com ()
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] send message NUL SYS
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] send message NUL ZYZ
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] send message NUL LOC
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] send message NUL NDL 115200,TCP,BINKP
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] send message NUL TIME Thu, 17 Nov 2016 20:20:01 -0500
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] send message NUL VER binkd/0.9.11/Linux binkp/1.1
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] send message ADR 1:@fidonet
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] send message NUL OPT NDA CRYPT
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] touched /home//binkd/outb/01890044.csy
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] rcvd msg NUL OPT CRAM-MD5-f369c1ca8a8974e1da573
    - 17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] OPT CRAM-MD5-f369c1ca8a8974e1da57315
    + 17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] Remote requests MD mode
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] rcvd msg NUL SYS
    - 17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] SYS
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] rcvd msg NUL ZYZ
    - 17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] ZYZ
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] rcvd msg NUL VER Mystic/1.12A24 binkp/1.0
    - 17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] VER Mystic/1.12A24 binkp/1.0
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] remote uses binkp v.1.0
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] rcvd msg ADR 1:@fidonet 1:@fidonet 1:fidonet @fidonet
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] created /home///binkd/outb/4.bsy
    + 17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] addr: 1:@fidonet
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] created /home//binkd/outb/00.bsy
    + 17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] addr: 1:@fidonet
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] created /home//binkd/outb/0.bsy
    + 17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] addr: 1@fidonet
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] created /home//binkd/outb./15.bsy
    + 17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] addr: @fidonet
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] Source IP not checked
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] send message NUL TRF 0 0
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] send message PWD CRAM-MD5-bc7ae44e6be08b
    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] rcvd msg OK secure
    + 17 Nov 20:20:01 [7443] pwd protected session (MD5)
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Lindsay Zellner on Fri Nov 18 10:51:41 2016
    Hi,

    On 2016-11-17 20:38:00, Lindsay Zellner wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
    about: "Re: binkd and mystic and secure sessions":

    Are you sure the passwords you both use for the connection are
    identical? Case is important!

    Yes.. if I Poll the system it is in secure mode. See log tonight

    The only difference is if I have a mail packet to send to that node, then it is not in secure mode.

    17 Nov 20:20:01 [7442] BEGIN, binkd/0.9.11/Linux -p -P 1:3

    Then try to upgrade your binkd to the latest 1.1a...

    Bye, Wilfred.


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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Lindsay Zellner on Wed Dec 14 05:57:48 2016
    Lindsey,

    I don't know if you ever got this resolved. Mystic can be very literal...
    have the node you are connected with set NOT to send you their AKAs. That seemed to fix a similar issue I had with a mystic node.

    Also you need to make sure you have the same domain programmed in your binkd.cfg as they do.

    Mystic is very literal and binkd needs to have in it's node entry the full 5d domain

    1:111/111.0@fidonet

    The domain must match exactly case sensative.

    Allen

    On Nov 17, 2016 08:44pm, Lindsay Zellner wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:


    Are you sure the passwords you both use for the connection are identical?
    Case is important!

    Yes.. if I Poll the system it is in secure mode. See log tonight
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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Allen Prunty on Thu Dec 15 08:17:00 2016
    Allen Prunty wrote to Lindsay Zellner <=-

    I don't know if you ever got this resolved. Mystic can be very
    literal... have the node you are connected with set NOT to send you
    their AKAs. That seemed to fix a similar issue I had with a mystic
    node.

    I've had no issues. I used to transfer a lot of mail between my two BBSs - one Mystic, one binkd.

    Also you need to make sure you have the same domain programmed in your binkd.cfg as they do.

    Mystic is very literal and binkd needs to have in it's node entry the
    full 5d domain

    1:111/111.0@fidonet

    I haven't found the need to put the point into my node entries (unless it's a point, of course ;) ).

    The domain must match exactly case sensative.

    Agree, domains must match.


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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Tony Langdon on Wed Dec 14 18:12:48 2016
    Bink-D assumes 0... but mystic auto fills out the .0

    :-)

    I've seen someone somehow put a space in that field and it messed things up.

    Allen

    On Dec 15, 2016 08:07am, Tony Langdon wrote to Allen Prunty:

    Allen Prunty wrote to Lindsay Zellner <=-

    I don't know if you ever got this resolved. Mystic can be very
    literal... have the node you are connected with set NOT to send you
    their AKAs. That seemed to fix a similar issue I had with a mystic
    node.

    I've had no issues. I used to transfer a lot of mail between my two
    BBSs - one Mystic, one binkd.

    Also you need to make sure you have the same domain programmed in your
    binkd.cfg as they do.

    Mystic is very literal and binkd needs to have in it's node entry the
    full 5d domain

    1:111/111.0@fidonet

    I haven't found the need to put the point into my node entries (unless it's a point, of course ;) ).

    The domain must match exactly case sensative.

    Agree, domains must match.


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Tony Langdon on Wed Dec 14 20:27:26 2016

    15 Dec 16 08:17, you wrote to Allen Prunty:

    The domain must match exactly case sensative.

    Agree, domains must match.

    i can't say that i've seen binkd have a problem with case sensitivity but it is
    possible, i suppose...

    that brings another question, though... what about aliases? are they also case sensitive if domains are??

    )\/(ark

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Allen Prunty on Thu Dec 15 13:08:00 2016
    Allen Prunty wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    @MSGID: <5851E2A3.1157.fido-binkd@freeway.apana.org.au>
    @TZ: 412c
    Bink-D assumes 0... but mystic auto fills out the .0

    :-)

    I've seen someone somehow put a space in that field and it messed
    things up.

    Yeah, I can see a space really screwing things up, because it's no longer a valid 5D address. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to mark lewis on Thu Dec 15 14:14:00 2016
    mark lewis wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    i can't say that i've seen binkd have a problem with case sensitivity
    but it is possible, i suppose...

    From somewhere I recall reading that domains should be 8 characters or less, and in lowercase.


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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Mark Lewis on Thu Dec 15 01:53:26 2016

    On Dec 14, 2016 08:32pm, Mark Lewis wrote to Tony Langdon:

    15 Dec 16 08:17, you wrote to Allen Prunty:

    The domain must match exactly case sensative.

    Agree, domains must match.

    i can't say that i've seen binkd have a problem with case sensitivity
    but it is possible, i suppose...

    that brings another question, though... what about aliases? are they
    also case sensitive if domains are??

    Yes... anything put in mystic needs to match pretty much exactly or mystic may (or may not as more likely) choose to use it. Quite frankly I think this is a good security measure.

    But mystic does tend to break traditions by making them case sensative. One other thing that helped with connection refusal is ticking the setting when node x:xxx/xxx polls in don't present any AKAs but the one they are connecting to. This seemed to make it behave a bit more too.

    Allen
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Tony Langdon on Thu Dec 15 05:00:20 2016

    15 Dec 16 14:14, you wrote to me:

    i can't say that i've seen binkd have a problem with case sensitivity
    but it is possible, i suppose...

    From somewhere I recall reading that domains should be 8 characters or less,

    yes, because the space allocated in the PKT header is only 8 characters long...

    and in lowercase.

    it is best, for the most part, but some software works with all uppercase... those that are case sensitive need to be adjusted to upper or lower case the domain during their validation process... a FTN domain of "FooBar" and another one of "fOObAR" are the same FTN domain... case sensitivity on them is... ummm... rediculous... they don't even do case sensitivity on internet domains ;)

    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Allen Prunty on Thu Dec 15 05:04:04 2016

    15 Dec 16 01:53, you wrote to me:

    The domain must match exactly case sensative.

    Agree, domains must match.

    i can't say that i've seen binkd have a problem with case sensitivity
    but it is possible, i suppose...

    that brings another question, though... what about aliases? are they
    also case sensitive if domains are??

    Yes... anything put in mystic needs to match pretty much exactly or mystic may (or may not as more likely) choose to use it. Quite frankly I think this is a good security measure.

    we're talking about binkd's alias options for domains ;)

    it is not a security measure, either... case sensitivity on domains is shit whether it is FTN domains, novel netware domains, NETBIOS/NETBUEI domains, or internet domains...

    But mystic does tend to break traditions by making them case
    sensative.

    attention to detail... it should not be case sensitive on domains...

    One other thing that helped with connection refusal is ticking the
    setting when node x:xxx/xxx polls in don't present any AKAs but the
    one they are connecting to. This seemed to make it behave a bit more
    too.

    that option helps in some cases... i requested it be added because stats were wrong... i was polling a system in an othernet supposedly with my othernet address but that other system's stats were logging everything with my main address which was not in that othernet... there was no connection or link between us with that main address so their stats were technically wrong... by hiding the other addresses, there was only one presented to them and their stats were now technically correct... i think it would have been easier for mystic to present the common address first in the list of addresses and avoid the problem in the first place but someone didn't see that or they didn't understand the problem... there is a reason for having AKA matching ;)

    )\/(ark

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to mark lewis on Thu Dec 15 07:09:28 2016
    Hello mark,

    On 15 Dec 16 05:04, mark lewis wrote to Allen Prunty:

    that option helps in some cases... i requested it be added because
    stats were wrong... i was polling a system in an othernet supposedly
    with my othernet address but that other system's stats were logging everything with my main address which was not in that othernet...
    there was no connection or link between us with that main address so
    their stats were technically wrong... by hiding the other addresses,
    there was only one presented to them and their stats were now
    technically correct... i think it would have been easier for mystic to present the common address first in the list of addresses and avoid
    the problem in the first place but someone didn't see that or they
    didn't understand the problem... there is a reason for having AKA
    matching ;)

    Fairly certain this was coded per spec (or proposal even). Most mailers do not match the common AKA. They usually work in a top-down list and match the first one that matches. So if you and I both have a Fidonet address, it will try to use that first. If it fails, it will go to the next matching AKA in the list. This is how binkd, Argus/Taurus/Radius, Irex, and any other mailers I've used in the past currently operate.

    I don't know of any mailers that do not do it this way (while I don't agree with the method, but whatever). This was why the "Hide AKAs" was added to Mystic in the first place.. to get past that issue if it were to come up.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Nicholas Boel on Thu Dec 15 10:49:42 2016

    On Dec 15, 2016 07:15am, Nicholas Boel wrote to Mark Lewis:

    Fairly certain this was coded per spec (or proposal even). Most mailers
    do not match the common AKA. They usually work in a top-down list and match the first one that matches. So if you and I both have a Fidonet address, it will try to use that first. If it fails, it will go to the next matching AKA in the list. This is how binkd, Argus/Taurus/Radius, Irex, and any other mailers I've used in the past currently operate.

    True... I agree on that... but I think Mystic kinda picks the one it is
    polling and doesn't ahve any rolldown on the other nodes. It's fido poll command line is very small in memory size which makes me believe it's very simple in it's operation... but again it's not the size of the dog in the
    fight that counts here.

    I don't know of any mailers that do not do it this way (while I don't agree with the method, but whatever). This was why the "Hide AKAs" was added to Mystic in the first place.. to get past that issue if it were
    to come up.

    It's does eliminate some overhead as there is one node that I connect to that has a Gazillion othernets to contend with. I think Bink-D naviagates them
    well but when I look at the logs on that node I'm amazed.

    Allen
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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Allen Prunty on Thu Dec 15 11:34:56 2016
    Hello Allen,

    On 15 Dec 16 10:49, Allen Prunty wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    True... I agree on that... but I think Mystic kinda picks the one it
    is polling and doesn't ahve any rolldown on the other nodes. It's
    fido poll command line is very small in memory size which makes me
    believe it's very simple in it's operation... but again it's not the
    size of the dog in the fight that counts here.

    Ah, yes. This is why I've always tried to get people to use the "fidopoll send"
    command, rather than "fidopoll forced". When using "forced", Mystic's mailer will poll every single link that was enabled, and always seemed to cause problems (with me being the other end, anyways). Using "send" would only connect to the links you actually had mail waiting to send to. Usually switching to the "send" method fixed whatever issues myself and said link were having.

    It's does eliminate some overhead as there is one node that I connect
    to that has a Gazillion othernets to contend with. I think Bink-D naviagates them well but when I look at the logs on that node I'm
    amazed.

    At that point they're only collecting AKAs. I guarantee you they do not spend much of any time actually participating in any or all of those networks. I have
    seen this a few times in the past as well, and have chosen not to link with a couple certain individuals because of it.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Nicholas Boel on Thu Dec 15 17:41:18 2016

    On Dec 15, 2016 11:40am, Nicholas Boel wrote to Allen Prunty:

    Ah, yes. This is why I've always tried to get people to use the
    "fidopoll send" command, rather than "fidopoll forced". When using "forced", Mystic's mailer will poll every single link that was enabled, and always seemed to cause problems (with me being the other end, anyways). Using "send" would only connect to the links you actually had mail waiting to send to. Usually switching to the "send" method fixed whatever issues myself and said link were having.

    Smells like the routine for FORCED has a different procedure than the routine for send... and Forced has a bug. I do like to poll my main hubs at least
    once or twice a day though.

    At that point they're only collecting AKAs. I guarantee you they do not spend much of any time actually participating in any or all of those networks. I have seen this a few times in the past as well, and have chosen not to link with a couple certain individuals because of it.

    I do tend to partaicipate in a few echos in the nets I participate with.

    Different nets often have different personalities :-)

    Allen
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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Allen Prunty on Thu Dec 15 22:07:44 2016
    Hello Allen,

    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 17:41:18 -0500, Allen Prunty -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    I do tend to partaicipate in a few echos in the nets I participate with. Different nets often have different personalities :-)

    Agreed, and the participation is always welcome. Although I was more referring to people with a ridiculous amount of AKAs. One in particular comes to mind that has almost 100 of them.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1 to Nicholas Boel on Sat Dec 17 15:57:07 2016
    On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 22:07:44 -0600 Nicholas Boel wrote:

    AP> I do tend to partaicipate in a few echos in the nets I participate
    with.
    AP> Different nets often have different personalities :-)

    Agreed, and the participation is always welcome. Although I was more referring to people with a ridiculous amount of AKAs. One in particular comes to mind that has almost 100 of them.

    This particuler one should also learn how to use these two in binkd conf:

    hide-aka
    present-aka

    'Tommi

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Dec 17 11:02:08 2016
    Hello Tommi,

    On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 15:57:06 +0200, Tommi Koivula -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    Agreed, and the participation is always welcome. Although I was more
    referring to people with a ridiculous amount of AKAs. One in particular
    comes to mind that has almost 100 of them.

    This particuler one should also learn how to use these two in binkd conf:

    hide-aka
    present-aka

    I agree! And I'm easily assuming we're referring to the same person, as I don't
    think anyone has as many AKAs as he does. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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