No HD at all? Do you guys really like wearing hairshirts?

wELL? you lost me with one line.. My guess? Yeah? however I dont know
I do Wear Wool in the Winter? Now bak to the prior Question ------------------------------------------------------------
I use a COM program called Telix [ a Canadian product ]
it does have Kermit listed in on of the many screens
Just a second i'll look for that now? ===============================================Which protocol?
ASCII
Kermit
Zmodem
:::::::::::: So TELIX lists Kermit as a Protocol
used for the transfer of information? I mostly use [Line 9] ASCII
and Line 11 [ Zmodem ] and seldom {probably never} use[ed] Kermit
this does not mean i dislike it. it just something i have not used ???????????????????????????????????????????????? searching in DEPTH
| 1 dup \ DOE <doe?> |winDo
| 2 pup \ DEQ |netsc
| 3 tcp \ FCC DOI |Trump
| 4\ ggp \ AFT |Slip ?/? probably level 3 stuff "tcp"
//tilt\\
ggp 3 GGP # gateway-gateway protocol
tcp 6 TCP # transmission control protocol
pup 12 PUP # PARC universal packet protocol
___Line 25 2:18 P.M. PST No I do NOT know.

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Hi Manley,

About "almost 4got 1" of August 30:

...IBM [5150]... ...360 5.25 floppy disks... ...DOS and a BBS to
answer incoming calls... ...com program... ...LYNX connection...

...one doesn't need to rely on other external ressources like a
FreeNet... ...a two decades old 8088 4,77 Mhz 512 Kb ~RAM~ PC can
connect with a ~PPP~ DialUp ~ISP~ and allow for ~TelNet~/~FTP~...
...the user-side of the equation would require that little if only
the `Kermit' file transfer protocol were more popular...

...

I use a COM program... ...it does have Kermit... ...seldom
{probably never} use[ed] Kermit, this does not mean i dislike it.

This is one genuine example why `Kermit' never became popular. :-7

What BBSers get from their BBS SysOp is most likely to be a pre-'85 archaic sub-standard implementation of the current `Kermit' protocol (it
is often what they'll get from their respective BBS authors themselves).
Even if BBSers had the latest official `MS-Kermit' release at hand, they
would learn that the `Kermit' protocol is backward-compatible all right;
only, being made that crippled simply renders the protocol unfit and i'm
afraid you get just that on the average ~TelNettable~ BBSes. You should
know that `Kermit' is blasphemy to most SysOps: when i offered help for
those of the `Win 95' echo (so that we discuss how to install it for use
over `COM/IP') not one single person took advantage of that opportunity,
i was welcomed with `Kermit'-bashing and soon became a target myself. I
was supposed to go away after some tried to impress me with decades long experience (i was told about `Kermit' run on 8-Bit computers (Z80, 6809,
etc.), euh... but the old days are gone, i argued that ~FOSSIL~ support
wasn't added before 1995 - meaning more flawed 3rd-party implementations
had to be used prior to that date if the serial-port wasn't ~FOSSIL~ but
nobody listened, the outcome was already set. Don't dare ask a SysOp if
he would be of any help about `Kermit': if one needs to evaluate it, my suggestion is look outside of the BBS world (bias is too bad otherwise)!

In any case, `Telix' thru a FreeNet (or equivalent), or a `BBBS' or `WildCat! v5.5x' ~TelNet~ BBS are more examples why it's no surprize you
never ever felt a need for `Kermit' before. I prefer the real thing!...

Salutations,

Michel Samson
www3.sympatico.ca/bicephale
a/s Bicephale


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Manley Hubbell (1:105/55) wrote to Steven Horn at 15:25 on 30 Aug 2002:

------------------------------------------------------------ I use
a COM program called Telix [ a Canadian product ]

Telix has not been Canadian for some time.

it does have Kermit listed in on of the many screens
Just a second i'll look for that now? ===============================================Which protocol?
ASCII
Kermit
Zmodem
:::::::::::: So TELIX lists Kermit as a Protocol
used for the transfer of information? I mostly use [Line 9] ASCII
and Line 11 [ Zmodem ] and seldom {probably never} use[ed] Kermit
this does not mean i dislike it. it just something i have not used

I don't know how good the Kermit in Telix is. However, I have to agree with Michel Samson that the Kermit protocols built into BBSes is not likely to be very good at all.

???????????????????????????????????????????????? searching in DEPTH
| 1 dup \ DOE <doe?> |winDo
| 2 pup \ DEQ |netsc
| 3 tcp \ FCC DOI |Trump
| 4\ ggp \ AFT |Slip ?/? probably level 3 stuff
"tcp" //tilt\\
ggp 3 GGP # gateway-gateway protocol
tcp 6 TCP # transmission control protocol
pup 12 PUP # PARC universal packet protocol

Now you have me. I use the stuff built into Windows 2000 to connect to the Internet and the last time I thought much about what you've set out above was when I was using Trumpet Winsock seven years ago.

Take care,

Steven Horn (shorn@yknet.ca)
Moderator, ALASKA_CHAT
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Now you have me. I use the stuff built into Windows 2000

? yeah? its pretty deep by now? difficult to know just what
happens or where. Still i search about for the leastt bytes overall

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Manley Hubbell (1:105/55) wrote to Steven Horn at 20:46 on 04 Sep 2002:

? yeah? its pretty deep by now? difficult to know just what happens or where. Still i search about for the least bytes overall

Do I really have to know what happens or where when I can connect to a network or to the Internet time and time again without a glitch? As it happens, I have
a reasonable idea of what part of my system does what but discussing that is off-topic here.

Having said that, I do understand that with your system, you would search for the least bytes overall if you did not want to upgrade.

Take care,

Steven Horn (shorn@yknet.ca)
Moderator, ALASKA_CHAT
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