Hi Mark,

This is an addendum to "Pure DOS TelNet ZMoDem" of October 16:

...i (finally) saw that you had uploaded a private package to me, a
long while back, of kermit stuffs... i've not had time to try to do anything with it and have never been asked about kermit... ...you
still wanting to do/try something with it on my OS/2 system, too??

I didn't change my mind about what it's worth... ...though, i
confess i forgot what's in the archive...

I paid a visit to your BBS yesterday, there's no .QWK door and much
less a `Kermit' option... I wasn't able to locate the archive i sent to
you and i found no `Kermit' option in the file section neither. There's
a long way to go before we can resume course and reverse twenty years of negative re-inforcement; once you got `Kermit' installed and well set i
would advise that you use patience (try twenty more years) but the users
must see it work first and we're not there yet, as far as i'm concerned!

Salutations,

Michel Samson
a/s Bicephale


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This is an addendum to "Pure DOS TelNet ZMoDem" of
October 16:

...i (finally) saw that you had uploaded a private package to me, a
long while back, of kermit stuffs... i've not had time to try to do
anything with it and have never been asked about kermit... ...you
still wanting to do/try something with it on my OS/2 system, too??

I didn't change my mind about what it's worth... ...though, i
confess i forgot what's in the archive...

I paid a visit to your BBS yesterday, there's no .QWK
door

right... all offline mail doors were removed until my software settles down enough for an offline door to work with it... some things have changed in the data structures that make things not compatible...

and much less a `Kermit' option...

never did have a kermit option... what you sent is/was to be the first ever on the system...

I wasn't able to locate the archive i sent to you

because you marked it as "sysop's eyes only" ;)

and i found no `Kermit' option in the file section neither.

same protcol selection in the entire system...

There's a long way to go before we can resume course and
reverse twenty years of negative re-inforcement; once you
got `Kermit' installed and well set i would advise that you
use patience (try twenty more years) but the users must see
it work first and we're not there yet, as far as i'm
concerned!

i believe i understand... i was just not wanting you to be jaded about sending some info this way and then nothing ever being done with it...

my biggest problem is to decide if i should go with native OS/2 flavor of whatever or go with a DOS flavor... DOS stuff generally just drops right in... OS/2 stuff has a few tricks that are needed at times...

it can be rather rough running a salt'n'pepper system ;)

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Hi Mark,

About "Pure DOS TelNet Kermit" of November 3:

...i (finally) saw that you had uploaded a private package to me...
...you still wanting to do/try something with it... ...?...

I didn't change my mind... ...though... ...i forgot what's in...

...you marked it as "sysop's eyes only"...

It would help if you could remind me the file-name of this archive.

I was just not wanting you to be jaded about sending some info this
way and then nothing ever being done with it...

You must be the 3rd `OS/2' SysOp with who i discussed `Kermit' this
year, so far; consider that you're likely to get the better part of the
deal since i identified/collected some of the needed information already
and it wouldn't be a 1st time, anyway (i've been "jaded" before)... %-)

My biggest problem is to decide if i should go with native OS/2
flavor of whatever or go with a DOS flavor...

That's my problem as well: i don't run a BBS and much less `OS/2'.

Here's what i learned. `C-Kermit 5A(190)' of November 16, 1994 was
the last release WITH A 16-BITS `OS/2' VERSION INCLUDED. I can't do any
test with it in a `W32' DOS box but it seems the "ReSend" feature (which
would support Transfer Recovery), the passing of File Attributes and the
~REXX~ interface were finally supported there. The LAST RELEASE was `C-
Kermit 5A(191)' of April 24, 1995; you get NO 16-BITS VERSION IN IT and
don't expect too much out of a 32-Bits build because of a bug, i'm told.
In short, forget about a cure for bugs introduced in `C-Kermit 5A(190)'!

As far as i'm concerned i bet on `MS-Kermit' - a much better choice
in terms of maturity: October 12, 2003 for v3.16 and September 17, 1997
for v3.15 - and it's also the 2nd most stable DOS program i ever used...

If you go for the later then i recommend that you take a peek here:

http://fidonet.sensationcontent.com/echomail/searchlight/f742a4263556c006.html

This late setup includes all of the ~URL~s you'd need, in any case.

;-)

The one archive which i didn't include yet can be found right here:

ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip (790 Kb)

The 16-Bits `C-Kermit 5A(189)' executable CAN be tested under `W32' environments, which is important because the command-line differs a lot;
the features enumerated above are absent from this older version but i'm
hoping that's sufficient for me to figure out a few things from it. ;^)

Perhaps you'd be well advised to read the related thread started in `FdN_TeleGard' by Sean Dennis, any details which i may have forgot could
have been discussed out there: Sean is also an `OS/2' SysOp, after all.

Salutations, :)

Michel Samson
a/s Bicephale

Contact -> http://public.sogetel.net/bicephale

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Hi Mark,

About "Pure DOS TelNet Kermit" of November 3:

...i (finally) saw that you had uploaded a private package to me...
...you still wanting to do/try something with it... ...?...

I didn't change my mind... ...though... ...i forgot what's in...

...you marked it as "sysop's eyes only"...

It would help if you could remind me the file-name of
this archive.

KERMIT!.ZIP - with a description about gathered from carsomething in canada...

I was just not wanting you to be jaded about sending some info this
way and then nothing ever being done with it...

You must be the 3rd `OS/2' SysOp with who i discussed
`Kermit' this year, so far;

this year? try in the last 2 years ;)

consider that you're likely
to get the better part of the deal since i
identified/collected some of the needed information already
and it wouldn't be a 1st time, anyway (i've been "jaded"
before)... %-)

well, the archive data is 6 june 2002 and your first logon to my system was the
month before ;)

the archive contains three .bat files and two ini files... the .bat files appear to be executing the mskermit stuff...

My biggest problem is to decide if i should go with native OS/2
flavor of whatever or go with a DOS flavor...

That's my problem as well: i don't run a BBS and much
less `OS/2'.

i can understand... i can also understand how the BBS side settings can be different than the user's side settings...

Here's what i learned. `C-Kermit 5A(190)' of November
16, 1994 was the last release WITH A 16-BITS `OS/2' VERSION
INCLUDED. I can't do any test with it in a `W32' DOS box
but it seems the "ReSend" feature (which would support
Transfer Recovery), the passing of File Attributes and the
~REXX~ interface were finally supported there. The LAST
RELEASE was `C-Kermit 5A(191)' of April 24, 1995; you get
NO 16-BITS VERSION IN IT and don't expect too much out of a
32-Bits build because of a bug, i'm told. In short, forget
about a cure for bugs introduced in `C-Kermit 5A(190)'!

depending on the bugs, they may not even come into play on some setups...

As far as i'm concerned i bet on `MS-Kermit' - a much
better choice in terms of maturity: October 12, 2003 for
v3.16 and September 17, 1997 for v3.15 - and it's also the
2nd most stable DOS program i ever used...

ok...

that would also limit me to implementing the DOS version... i might have to see
if i can locate an OS/2 version like others are using... maybe i'll see about getting hold of juge and getting hold of what he has...

If you go for the later then i recommend that you take a
peek here:

http://fidonet.sensationconten t.com/echomail/searchlight/f742a4263556c006.html

This late setup includes all of the ~URL~s you'd need, in
any case.

;-)

The one archive which i didn't include yet can be found
right here:

ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip (790
Kb)

The 16-Bits `C-Kermit 5A(189)' executable CAN be tested
under `W32' environments, which is important because the
command-line differs a lot; the features enumerated above are
absent from this older version but i'm hoping that's sufficient
for me to figure out a few things from it. ;^)

the command line is generally where i set most things to run from... i have a few protocols that have seperate ini files referenced on their command lines, though... hslink and hydracom being two that i can think of right offhand...

Perhaps you'd be well advised to read the related thread
started in `FdN_TeleGard' by Sean Dennis, any details which i
may have forgot could have been discussed out there: Sean is
also an `OS/2' SysOp, after all.

yes, i'm aware... i don't carry the telegard echo, though... might be able to locate some info in the archives at fidosensation...

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Hi Mark,

About "Pure DOS TelNet Kermit" of November 4:

...i (finally) saw that you had uploaded a private package to me...
...you still wanting to do/try something with it... ...?...

I didn't change my mind... ...though... ...i forgot what's in...

...you marked it as "sysop's eyes only"...

It would help if you could remind me the file-name of this archive.

KERMIT!.ZIP - with a description about gathered from carsomething...

Right, i see what's in it now. It's from work i done with Stephane Garceau, which has evolved after i tried to adapt it for `SynchroNet'...

I was just not wanting you to be jaded about sending some info this
way and then nothing ever being done with it...

You must be the 3rd `OS/2' SysOp with who i discussed `Kermit' this
year, so far; consider that you're likely to get the better part of
the deal since i identified/collected some of the needed information already and it wouldn't be a 1st time, anyway...

This year? Try in the last 2... Well, the archive date is 6 june
2002 and your first logon to my system was the month before...

Sorry... I'm afraid i mistaken you for another SysOp (Marc Lewis)!

My biggest problem is to decide if i should go with native OS/2...

That's my problem as well: i don't run a BBS and much less `OS/2'.

The archive contains three .bat files and... I can also understand
how the BBS side settings can be different than the user's side...

It's even more complicated than that. If you take `MSK.INI', which
i mentioned here abundantly, euh... you'll notice that it seemed useful
to separate the settings for DownLoad and UpLoad in order to simplify my
task when doing adjustments. I'm still unable to explain it to this day
but assymetry works and that's why the few separate macros can help - at
least during the initial setup phase! `Kermit!.ZIP' is an old sample...

Here's what i learned. `C-Kermit 5A(190)' of November 16, 1994 was
the last release WITH A 16-BITS `OS/2' VERSION INCLUDED. ...forget
about a cure for bugs introduced in `C-Kermit 5A(190)'!

Depending on the bugs, they may not even come into play...

Yes, this is my hope too so i'd favour that both drivers are tried.

As far as i'm concerned i bet on `MS-Kermit'...

That would also limit me to implementing the DOS version...

Sorry, i'm unsure what you got in mind but i'm ready to discuss it.

;-)

I might have to see if i can locate an OS/2 version like others are using... Maybe i'll see about getting hold of juge...

It's a part of what i learned. I've been refered to `PM2You41.ZIP:

http://home.swipnet.se/ridax/pm2you41.zip (1M4)

There's NO `Kermit' code in `PM2You v4.1', `OS2FTP.EXE' DEPENDS on:

ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip
`C-Kermit 5A(190)', 790 Kb, November 16, 1994

ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip
`C-Kermit 5A(191)', 620 Kb, April 24, 1995

For all i know, `Install.CMD' renames `CKOKer16.EXE'/`CKOKer32.EXE'
as `CKermit.EXE' (whichever suits your `OS/2' version)... Configuration
is done using `C-Kermit.INI' (or perhaps `CKermit.INI', i don't recall),
but a secondary .INI file (i think it's `CKerMod.INI') is where you must
search for `Kermit' features as packet-size, etc. I wonder if `C-Kermit
v8' wouldn't be a better choice for an `OS/2' installation, in any case.

The 16-Bits `C-Kermit 5A(189)' executable CAN be tested under `W32' environments, which is important because the command-line differs...

The command line is generally where i set most things to run from...

`Kermit's command-line, i meant. `MS-Kermit' and `C-Kermit' differ significantly and only their .INI's content is *PARTLY* interchangeable.

I have a few protocols that have seperate ini files referenced on
their command lines, though... hslink and hydracom being two...

At this stage it's time to discuss the internal `Maximus' variables
which will be used on the external protocol driver command-lines. There
may be a good reason to make `PM2You v4.1' launch `C-Kermit' but i can't imagine why it isn't preferable to run `C-Kermit' directly instead. I'm
afraid only Bob Juge can explain it to you, that's where SysOp expertise
is most wanted! It may be doing what .BAT files could do a couple years
ago on systems running another OS (?), i'm dependent on your input here.

...you'd be well advised to read the related thread started in `FdN_ TeleGard' by Sean Dennis, any details which i may have forgot could
have been discussed out there: Sean is also an `OS/2' SysOp...

I don't carry the telegard echo... Might be able to locate some
info in the archives at fidosensation...

My last posts failed to propagate to sensationcontent lately, i was
unable to connect to this ~WEB~ site yesterday but i'll be patient. ;-)

Salutations,

Michel Samson
a/s Bicephale
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