• Android QWK readers.

    From Matt Munson@1:218/109 to All on Sat Oct 17 10:32:14 2020
    It would be cool if there was a SyncTerm/Multimail suite for android tablets.


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  • From Charles Pierson@2:221/6.21 to Matt Munson on Sat Oct 17 13:22:21 2020
    Hello, Matt Munson.
    On 10/17/20 10:32 AM you wrote:

    It would be cool if there was a SyncTerm/Multimail suite for
    android tablets.

    I've been looking around for something like that.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Matt Munson on Sat Oct 17 18:46:58 2020
    It would be cool if there was a SyncTerm/Multimail suite for android tablets.

    The android runs a linux based OS so that is possible since both of the above are available as source. I'm not sure what the difference is between a linux distrubution and the andriod OS. If it's not to much of a leap then that is quite possible.

    I've never tried to build anything for an android so I don't know how much of a leap that is.

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  • From Charles Pierson@2:221/6.21 to Alan Ianson on Sat Oct 17 21:31:32 2020
    Hello, Alan Ianson.
    On 10/17/20 6:46 PM you wrote:

    It would be cool if there was a SyncTerm/Multimail suite for
    android tablets.
    The android runs a linux based OS so that is possible since both
    of the above are available as source. I'm not sure what the
    difference is between a linux distrubution and the andriod OS. If
    it's not to much of a leap then that is quite possible. I've never
    tried to build anything for an android so I don't know how much of
    a leap that is.

    Android is a stripped down Linux, so there are some adjustments that would have to be done to the source code, as I understand it. But it is possible. This program, HotdogEd, at least The Fido provider portion, is based on jNode mailer and tosser, which is a Java program.

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Alan Ianson on Mon Oct 19 11:28:37 2020
    Hello Alan,

    Saturday October 17 2020 18:46, you wrote to Matt Munson:

    I've never tried to build anything for an android so I don't know how
    much of a leap that is.

    Android apps are written in Java which means Syncterm and Multimail would have to be rewritten in Java.

    There is already an excellent term program called fTelnet, which is available in the Google Play store, that works well for telneting to a BBS.

    As for Multimail, that might take a considerable amount of work since it depends on other programs (such as zip and unzip and an external editor) to be ported. It would be better if someone wrote an Android-specific mail reader.

    Now I do know that in newer Chromebooks, a Linux VM is included so you can run native Linux programs. This is like the WSL in Windows 10.

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Sean Dennis on Mon Oct 19 15:12:28 2020
    I've never tried to build anything for an android so I don't know how
    much of a leap that is.

    Android apps are written in Java which means Syncterm and Multimail would have to be rewritten in Java.

    I didn't realize android apps were written in java. That is a leap that will likely not be made.

    It's probably doable but I doubt java developers have their eyes on old tech like BBSing.

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  • From Charles Pierson@2:221/6.21 to Alan Ianson on Mon Oct 19 19:16:35 2020
    Hello, Alan Ianson.
    On 10/19/20 3:12 PM you wrote:

    I've never tried to build anything for an android so I don't
    know how much of a leap that is.
    Android apps are written in Java which means Syncterm and
    Multimail would have to be rewritten in Java.
    I didn't realize android apps were written in java. That is a leap
    that will likely not be made.

    There are a few BBS related programs that were written in Java. Those could be reworked I believe.

    Not QWK readers, that I've seen so far. But the potential is there.

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  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to Alan Ianson on Mon Oct 19 19:19:57 2020
    Hello, Alan Ianson.
    On 10/19/20 3:12 PM you wrote:

    I've never tried to build anything for an android so I don't
    know how much of a leap that is.
    Android apps are written in Java which means Syncterm and
    Multimail would have to be rewritten in Java.
    I didn't realize android apps were written in java. That is a leap
    that will likely not be made. It's probably doable but I doubt
    java developers have their eyes on old tech like BBSing.

    Another option is using a reader in DOSBox. I'm trying to figure that out now. The problem there is finding a decent Telnet app in Android with Y or Z modem protocols to transfer packets.

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  • From Charles Pierson@2:240/1120.976 to Sean Dennis on Mon Oct 19 20:36:52 2020
    Hello, Sean Dennis.
    On 10/19/20 11:28 AM you wrote:

    Hello Alan, Saturday October 17 2020 18:46, you wrote to Matt
    Munson:
    I've never tried to build anything for an android so I don't know
    how much of a leap that is.
    Android apps are written in Java which means Syncterm and
    Multimail would have to be rewritten in Java.

    Most apps are written in java. It is possible to do so in other programing languages, it's just a bit more complicated, from what I am learning.

    There is already an excellent term program called fTelnet, which
    is available in the Google Play store, that works well for
    telneting to a BBS.

    I've tried it. When it works, I like it. But it's been hit and miss with me, even connecting to the same BBS.

    And I haven't figured out how to start the YModem-G it's supposed to have to download a QWK packet.

    As for Multimail, that might take a considerable amount of work
    since it depends on other programs (such as zip and unzip and an
    external editor) to be ported. It would be better if someone
    wrote an Android-specific mail reader.

    That's true. Although, if you start with the code of an open-source reader, I would think that it would be at least somewhat easier.


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  • From Matt Munson@1:218/109 to Charles Pierson on Tue Oct 20 17:33:32 2020
    BY: Charles Pierson(2:221/6.21)


    There are a few BBS related programs that were written in Java. Those could be reworked I believe.

    Not QWK readers, that I've seen so far. But the potential is there.
    That is why I was thinking about going with a macbook air so i can run bbs user stuff.


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  • From Charles Pierson@1:229/426.67 to Matt Munson on Wed Oct 21 06:29:01 2020
    Hello, Matt Munson.
    On 10/20/20 5:33 PM you wrote:

    There are a few BBS related programs that were written in Java.
    Those could be reworked I believe. Not QWK readers, that I've
    seen so far. But the potential is there.
    That is why I was thinking about going with a macbook air so i can
    run bbs user stuff.

    If it works for you, go for it. Macs aren't something I know much about, but it seems like it would work well enough.

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Charles Pierson on Fri Oct 23 13:32:00 2020
    Most apps are written in java. It is possible to do so in
    other programing languages, it's just a bit more
    complicated, from what I am learning.

    Yes and no. FreePascal has a Java compiler so you can write your program in Pascal but compiles into Java. I don't know how well it works but might be something.

    And I haven't figured out how to start the YModem-G it's
    supposed to have to download a QWK packet.

    You tap on fTelnet's "MENU" button and select "Download", IIRC.

    I knew Chuck Forsberg way back when (I lived about 20 miles north of him).
    He told me on several occasions that Zmodem was not designed to be used over telnet and to use YModem/YModem-G instead.

    That's true. Although, if you start with the code of an
    open-source reader, I would think that it would be at least
    somewhat easier.

    Yes, it would be. I have little interest in such a project as I don't use
    my phone for much else besides talking and texting. Maybe someone else will pick up the mantle from here.

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Matt Munson on Fri Oct 23 13:54:12 2020
    That is why I was thinking about going with a macbook air
    so i can run bbs user stuff.

    A new Chromebook comes with a Linux VM so you could build Qodem and
    MultiMail for BBS mail usage easily. I've done that on a new Samsung Chromebook.

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Charles Pierson@1:229/426.67 to Sean Dennis on Fri Oct 23 15:16:41 2020
    Hello, Sean Dennis.
    On 10/23/20 1:32 PM you wrote:

    Most apps are written in java. It is possible to do so in other
    programing languages, it's just a bit more complicated, from what
    I am learning.
    Yes and no. FreePascal has a Java compiler so you can write your
    program in Pascal but compiles into Java. I don't know how well
    it works but might be something.

    I was reading something about Android Studio you can write in C++ and other languages with additional NDKs. Might be the same type of thing.

    And I haven't figured out how to start the YModem-G it's supposed
    to have to download a QWK packet.
    You tap on fTelnet's "MENU" button and select "Download", IIRC.

    I'll have to look again. I can't recall a menu button.

    I knew Chuck Forsberg way back when (I lived about 20 miles north
    of him). He told me on several occasions that Zmodem was not
    designed to be used over telnet and to use YModem/YModem-G
    instead.

    That's interesting. I've never used YModem before. I'm not sure why.

    That's true. Although, if you start with the code of an
    open-source reader, I would think that it would be at least
    somewhat easier.
    Yes, it would be. I have little interest in such a project as I
    don't use my phone for much else besides talking and texting.
    Maybe someone else will pick up the mantle from here.

    I'm considering it. I definitely need to brush up on my programming.


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  • From Matt Munson@1:218/109 to Sean Dennis on Fri Oct 23 23:10:03 2020
    BY: Sean Dennis(1:18/200)


    I knew Chuck Forsberg way back when (I lived about 20 miles north of
    him).
    He told me on several occasions that Zmodem was not designed to be used over
    telnet and to use YModem/YModem-G instead.
    Has SEXYZ filled the void?


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  • From Rob Swindell to Matt Munson on Sat Oct 24 19:30:29 2020
    Re: Re: Android QWK readers.
    By: Matt Munson to Sean Dennis on Fri Oct 23 2020 11:10 pm

    BY: Sean Dennis(1:18/200)


    I knew Chuck Forsberg way back when (I lived about 20 miles north of him).
    He told me on several occasions that Zmodem was not designed to be used over
    telnet and to use YModem/YModem-G instead.
    Has SEXYZ filled the void?

    SEXYZ is a protocol driver, not a new protocol. SEXYZ just implements the standard X/Y/ZMODEM protocols, no different than DSZ, FDSZ, GSZ, sb/rb, etc. ZMODEM may not have been designed for use over Telnet, but it works just fine over Telnet (or Raw TCP, or SSH, or RLogin). Many of ZMODEM's features (error detection, windowing) are redundant with TCP, but it has some other convenient features (auto-start, resume) that YMODEM does not have, so its still preferred.
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  • From Robert Wolfe@1:116/18 to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 30 18:03:59 2020
    Alan Ianson wrote to Matt Munson <=-

    The android runs a linux based OS so that is possible since both of the above are available as source. I'm not sure what the difference is
    between a linux distrubution and the andriod OS. If it's not to much of
    a leap then that is quite possible.

    I've never tried to build anything for an android so I don't know how
    much of a

    I believe Android apps are written in Java. If so that so, then
    MultiMail and SyncTerm would need to be ported to Java as well.

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  • From Robert Wolfe@1:116/18 to Sean Dennis on Mon Nov 30 18:03:59 2020
    Sean Dennis wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    Android apps are written in Java which means Syncterm and Multimail
    would have to be rewritten in Java.

    Yay! I was correct then :)

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  • From Robert Wolfe@1:116/18 to Charles Pierson on Mon Nov 30 18:03:59 2020
    Charles Pierson wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    I was reading something about Android Studio you can write in C++ and other languages with additional NDKs. Might be the same type of thing.

    Yeah, I still think you need a Windows computer to run this on.

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  • From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to Robert Wolfe on Tue Dec 1 02:13:15 2020
    On 30 Nov 2020, Robert Wolfe said the following...

    Alan Ianson wrote to Matt Munson <=-

    The android runs a linux based OS so that is possible since both of t above are available as source. I'm not sure what the difference is between a linux distrubution and the andriod OS. If it's not to much a leap then that is quite possible.

    I've never tried to build anything for an android so I don't know how much of a

    I believe Android apps are written in Java. If so that so, then MultiMail and SyncTerm would need to be ported to Java as well.



    Mostly they are written in JAVA, but other languages are also possible.

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  • From Rob Swindell to Robert Wolfe on Mon Nov 30 19:09:04 2020
    Re: Re: Android QWK readers.
    By: Robert Wolfe to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 30 2020 06:03 pm

    Alan Ianson wrote to Matt Munson <=-

    The android runs a linux based OS so that is possible since both of the above are available as source. I'm not sure what the difference is between a linux distrubution and the andriod OS. If it's not to much of a leap then that is quite possible.

    I've never tried to build anything for an android so I don't know how much of a

    I believe Android apps are written in Java. If so that so, then
    MultiMail and SyncTerm would need to be ported to Java as well.

    https://www.quora.com/Can-I-develop-Android-apps-using-C++
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Rob Swindell on Mon Nov 30 22:50:46 2020
    On 30 Nov 20 19:09:04, Rob Swindell said the following to Robert Wolfe:

    I believe Android apps are written in Java. If so that so, then
    MultiMail and SyncTerm would need to be ported to Java as well.

    https://www.quora.com/Can-I-develop-Android-apps-using-C++

    Oh c'mon now... give us a Java version of Synchronet 10 More Cowbell Edition.

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  • From Rob Swindell to Nick Andre on Mon Nov 30 20:06:19 2020
    Re: Re: Android QWK readers.
    By: Nick Andre to Rob Swindell on Mon Nov 30 2020 10:50 pm

    On 30 Nov 20 19:09:04, Rob Swindell said the following to Robert Wolfe:

    I believe Android apps are written in Java. If so that so, then MultiMail and SyncTerm would need to be ported to Java as well.

    https://www.quora.com/Can-I-develop-Android-apps-using-C++

    Oh c'mon now... give us a Java version of Synchronet 10 More Cowbell Edition.

    Only if you promise to hold your breath until it arrives! :-)
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  • From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to Nick Andre on Tue Dec 1 04:07:48 2020
    On 30 Nov 2020, Nick Andre said the following...

    On 30 Nov 20 19:09:04, Rob Swindell said the following to Robert Wolfe:

    I believe Android apps are written in Java. If so that so, then MultiMail and SyncTerm would need to be ported to Java as well.

    https://www.quora.com/Can-I-develop-Android-apps-using-C++

    Oh c'mon now... give us a Java version of Synchronet 10 More Cowbell Edition.

    Nick

    How about D'Bridge?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Robert Wolfe on Mon Nov 30 22:44:45 2020
    Re: Re: Android QWK readers.
    By: Robert Wolfe to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 30 2020 06:03 pm

    I believe Android apps are written in Java. If so that so, then
    MultiMail and SyncTerm would need to be ported to Java as well.

    Yes, I think a lot of what you see on the android is Java. Someone gave me another option but it was just as alien to me.

    A couple problems I see with MultiMail on the android is Zip and Unzip. Maybe that is already there, I'm not sure. We'd also need a way to down/upload mail packets and replies.

    I was reading in another area a couple people are running BBSs on their phones. If those BBSs are capable of creating QWK packets they might be looking for an OLR to go with it.. :)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:229/452 to Nick Andre on Tue Dec 1 12:49:44 2020
    Nick Andre wrote to Rob Swindell <=-

    Oh c'mon now... give us a Java version of Synchronet 10 More Cowbell Edition.

    I'm still waiting for 64bit version of D'bridge more cowbell edition
    coded 100% in brainfuck.

    Shawn

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  • From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to Alan Ianson on Tue Dec 1 13:19:07 2020
    On 30 Nov 2020, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Re: Re: Android QWK readers.
    By: Robert Wolfe to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 30 2020 06:03 pm

    I believe Android apps are written in Java. If so that so, then MultiMail and SyncTerm would need to be ported to Java as well.

    Yes, I think a lot of what you see on the android is Java. Someone gave
    me another option but it was just as alien to me.

    A couple problems I see with MultiMail on the android is Zip and Unzip. Maybe that is already there, I'm not sure. We'd also need a way to down/upload mail packets and replies.

    I was reading in another area a couple people are running BBSs on their phones.


    If those BBSs are capable of creating QWK packets they might be looking for an OLR to go with it.. :)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

    I'm one of those people, but strictly speaking the BBS is running on a VM
    Linux system with a Raspberry Pi release of the software.

    If QWK readers would run on a Raspberry PI, it should work the same way.

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