It would be cool if there was a SyncTerm/Multimail suite for android tablets.


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Hello, Matt Munson.
On 10/17/20 10:32 AM you wrote:

It would be cool if there was a SyncTerm/Multimail suite for
android tablets.

I've been looking around for something like that.

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It would be cool if there was a SyncTerm/Multimail suite for android tablets.

The android runs a linux based OS so that is possible since both of the above are available as source. I'm not sure what the difference is between a linux distrubution and the andriod OS. If it's not to much of a leap then that is quite possible.

I've never tried to build anything for an android so I don't know how much of a leap that is.

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Hello, Alan Ianson.
On 10/17/20 6:46 PM you wrote:

It would be cool if there was a SyncTerm/Multimail suite for
android tablets.

The android runs a linux based OS so that is possible since both
of the above are available as source. I'm not sure what the
difference is between a linux distrubution and the andriod OS. If
it's not to much of a leap then that is quite possible. I've never
tried to build anything for an android so I don't know how much of
a leap that is.

Android is a stripped down Linux, so there are some adjustments that would have to be done to the source code, as I understand it. But it is possible. This program, HotdogEd, at least The Fido provider portion, is based on jNode mailer and tosser, which is a Java program.

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Hello Alan,

Saturday October 17 2020 18:46, you wrote to Matt Munson:

I've never tried to build anything for an android so I don't know how
much of a leap that is.

Android apps are written in Java which means Syncterm and Multimail would have to be rewritten in Java.

There is already an excellent term program called fTelnet, which is available in the Google Play store, that works well for telneting to a BBS.

As for Multimail, that might take a considerable amount of work since it depends on other programs (such as zip and unzip and an external editor) to be ported. It would be better if someone wrote an Android-specific mail reader.

Now I do know that in newer Chromebooks, a Linux VM is included so you can run native Linux programs. This is like the WSL in Windows 10.

Later,
Sean

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I've never tried to build anything for an android so I don't know how
much of a leap that is.

Android apps are written in Java which means Syncterm and Multimail would have to be rewritten in Java.

I didn't realize android apps were written in java. That is a leap that will likely not be made.

It's probably doable but I doubt java developers have their eyes on old tech like BBSing.

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Hello, Alan Ianson.
On 10/19/20 3:12 PM you wrote:

I've never tried to build anything for an android so I don't
know how much of a leap that is.

Android apps are written in Java which means Syncterm and
Multimail would have to be rewritten in Java.

I didn't realize android apps were written in java. That is a leap
that will likely not be made.

There are a few BBS related programs that were written in Java. Those could be reworked I believe.

Not QWK readers, that I've seen so far. But the potential is there.

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Hello, Alan Ianson.
On 10/19/20 3:12 PM you wrote:

I've never tried to build anything for an android so I don't
know how much of a leap that is.

Android apps are written in Java which means Syncterm and
Multimail would have to be rewritten in Java.

I didn't realize android apps were written in java. That is a leap
that will likely not be made. It's probably doable but I doubt
java developers have their eyes on old tech like BBSing.

Another option is using a reader in DOSBox. I'm trying to figure that out now. The problem there is finding a decent Telnet app in Android with Y or Z modem protocols to transfer packets.

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Hello, Sean Dennis.
On 10/19/20 11:28 AM you wrote:

Hello Alan, Saturday October 17 2020 18:46, you wrote to Matt
Munson:

I've never tried to build anything for an android so I don't know
how much of a leap that is.

Android apps are written in Java which means Syncterm and
Multimail would have to be rewritten in Java.

Most apps are written in java. It is possible to do so in other programing languages, it's just a bit more complicated, from what I am learning.

There is already an excellent term program called fTelnet, which
is available in the Google Play store, that works well for
telneting to a BBS.

I've tried it. When it works, I like it. But it's been hit and miss with me, even connecting to the same BBS.

And I haven't figured out how to start the YModem-G it's supposed to have to download a QWK packet.

As for Multimail, that might take a considerable amount of work
since it depends on other programs (such as zip and unzip and an
external editor) to be ported. It would be better if someone
wrote an Android-specific mail reader.

That's true. Although, if you start with the code of an open-source reader, I would think that it would be at least somewhat easier.


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There are a few BBS related programs that were written in Java. Those could be reworked I believe.

Not QWK readers, that I've seen so far. But the potential is there.

That is why I was thinking about going with a macbook air so i can run bbs user stuff.


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Hello, Matt Munson.
On 10/20/20 5:33 PM you wrote:

There are a few BBS related programs that were written in Java.
Those could be reworked I believe. Not QWK readers, that I've
seen so far. But the potential is there.

That is why I was thinking about going with a macbook air so i can
run bbs user stuff.

If it works for you, go for it. Macs aren't something I know much about, but it seems like it would work well enough.

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Most apps are written in java. It is possible to do so in
other programing languages, it's just a bit more
complicated, from what I am learning.

Yes and no. FreePascal has a Java compiler so you can write your program in Pascal but compiles into Java. I don't know how well it works but might be something.

And I haven't figured out how to start the YModem-G it's
supposed to have to download a QWK packet.

You tap on fTelnet's "MENU" button and select "Download", IIRC.

I knew Chuck Forsberg way back when (I lived about 20 miles north of him).
He told me on several occasions that Zmodem was not designed to be used over telnet and to use YModem/YModem-G instead.

That's true. Although, if you start with the code of an
open-source reader, I would think that it would be at least
somewhat easier.

Yes, it would be. I have little interest in such a project as I don't use
my phone for much else besides talking and texting. Maybe someone else will pick up the mantle from here.

Later,
Sean

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That is why I was thinking about going with a macbook air
so i can run bbs user stuff.

A new Chromebook comes with a Linux VM so you could build Qodem and
MultiMail for BBS mail usage easily. I've done that on a new Samsung Chromebook.

Later,
Sean

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Hello, Sean Dennis.
On 10/23/20 1:32 PM you wrote:

Most apps are written in java. It is possible to do so in other
programing languages, it's just a bit more complicated, from what
I am learning.

Yes and no. FreePascal has a Java compiler so you can write your
program in Pascal but compiles into Java. I don't know how well
it works but might be something.

I was reading something about Android Studio you can write in C++ and other languages with additional NDKs. Might be the same type of thing.

And I haven't figured out how to start the YModem-G it's supposed
to have to download a QWK packet.

You tap on fTelnet's "MENU" button and select "Download", IIRC.

I'll have to look again. I can't recall a menu button.

I knew Chuck Forsberg way back when (I lived about 20 miles north
of him). He told me on several occasions that Zmodem was not
designed to be used over telnet and to use YModem/YModem-G
instead.

That's interesting. I've never used YModem before. I'm not sure why.

That's true. Although, if you start with the code of an
open-source reader, I would think that it would be at least
somewhat easier.

Yes, it would be. I have little interest in such a project as I
don't use my phone for much else besides talking and texting.
Maybe someone else will pick up the mantle from here.

I'm considering it. I definitely need to brush up on my programming.


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I knew Chuck Forsberg way back when (I lived about 20 miles north of
him).
He told me on several occasions that Zmodem was not designed to be used over
telnet and to use YModem/YModem-G instead.

Has SEXYZ filled the void?


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Re: Re: Android QWK readers.
By: Matt Munson to Sean Dennis on Fri Oct 23 2020 11:10 pm

BY: Sean Dennis(1:18/200)

I knew Chuck Forsberg way back when (I lived about 20 miles north of him).
He told me on several occasions that Zmodem was not designed to be used over
telnet and to use YModem/YModem-G instead.

Has SEXYZ filled the void?

SEXYZ is a protocol driver, not a new protocol. SEXYZ just implements the standard X/Y/ZMODEM protocols, no different than DSZ, FDSZ, GSZ, sb/rb, etc. ZMODEM may not have been designed for use over Telnet, but it works just fine over Telnet (or Raw TCP, or SSH, or RLogin). Many of ZMODEM's features (error detection, windowing) are redundant with TCP, but it has some other convenient features (auto-start, resume) that YMODEM does not have, so its still preferred.
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Alan Ianson wrote to Matt Munson <=-

The android runs a linux based OS so that is possible since both of the above are available as source. I'm not sure what the difference is
between a linux distrubution and the andriod OS. If it's not to much of
a leap then that is quite possible.

I've never tried to build anything for an android so I don't know how
much of a

I believe Android apps are written in Java. If so that so, then
MultiMail and SyncTerm would need to be ported to Java as well.

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Sean Dennis wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

Android apps are written in Java which means Syncterm and Multimail
would have to be rewritten in Java.

Yay! I was correct then :)

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Charles Pierson wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

I was reading something about Android Studio you can write in C++ and other languages with additional NDKs. Might be the same type of thing.

Yeah, I still think you need a Windows computer to run this on.

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On 30 Nov 2020, Robert Wolfe said the following...

Alan Ianson wrote to Matt Munson <=-

The android runs a linux based OS so that is possible since both of t above are available as source. I'm not sure what the difference is between a linux distrubution and the andriod OS. If it's not to much a leap then that is quite possible.

I've never tried to build anything for an android so I don't know how much of a

I believe Android apps are written in Java. If so that so, then MultiMail and SyncTerm would need to be ported to Java as well.

Mostly they are written in JAVA, but other languages are also possible.

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Re: Re: Android QWK readers.
By: Robert Wolfe to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 30 2020 06:03 pm

Alan Ianson wrote to Matt Munson <=-

The android runs a linux based OS so that is possible since both of the above are available as source. I'm not sure what the difference is between a linux distrubution and the andriod OS. If it's not to much of a leap then that is quite possible.

I've never tried to build anything for an android so I don't know how much of a

I believe Android apps are written in Java. If so that so, then
MultiMail and SyncTerm would need to be ported to Java as well.

https://www.quora.com/Can-I-develop-Android-apps-using-C++
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On 30 Nov 20 19:09:04, Rob Swindell said the following to Robert Wolfe:

I believe Android apps are written in Java. If so that so, then
MultiMail and SyncTerm would need to be ported to Java as well.

https://www.quora.com/Can-I-develop-Android-apps-using-C++

Oh c'mon now... give us a Java version of Synchronet 10 More Cowbell Edition.

Nick

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Re: Re: Android QWK readers.
By: Nick Andre to Rob Swindell on Mon Nov 30 2020 10:50 pm

On 30 Nov 20 19:09:04, Rob Swindell said the following to Robert Wolfe:

I believe Android apps are written in Java. If so that so, then MultiMail and SyncTerm would need to be ported to Java as well.

https://www.quora.com/Can-I-develop-Android-apps-using-C++

Oh c'mon now... give us a Java version of Synchronet 10 More Cowbell Edition.

Only if you promise to hold your breath until it arrives! :-)
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On 30 Nov 2020, Nick Andre said the following...

On 30 Nov 20 19:09:04, Rob Swindell said the following to Robert Wolfe:

I believe Android apps are written in Java. If so that so, then MultiMail and SyncTerm would need to be ported to Java as well.

https://www.quora.com/Can-I-develop-Android-apps-using-C++

Oh c'mon now... give us a Java version of Synchronet 10 More Cowbell Edition.

Nick

How about D'Bridge?

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Re: Re: Android QWK readers.
By: Robert Wolfe to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 30 2020 06:03 pm

I believe Android apps are written in Java. If so that so, then
MultiMail and SyncTerm would need to be ported to Java as well.

Yes, I think a lot of what you see on the android is Java. Someone gave me another option but it was just as alien to me.

A couple problems I see with MultiMail on the android is Zip and Unzip. Maybe that is already there, I'm not sure. We'd also need a way to down/upload mail packets and replies.

I was reading in another area a couple people are running BBSs on their phones. If those BBSs are capable of creating QWK packets they might be looking for an OLR to go with it.. :)

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Nick Andre wrote to Rob Swindell <=-

Oh c'mon now... give us a Java version of Synchronet 10 More Cowbell Edition.

I'm still waiting for 64bit version of D'bridge more cowbell edition
coded 100% in brainfuck.

Shawn

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On 30 Nov 2020, Alan Ianson said the following...

Re: Re: Android QWK readers.
By: Robert Wolfe to Alan Ianson on Mon Nov 30 2020 06:03 pm

I believe Android apps are written in Java. If so that so, then MultiMail and SyncTerm would need to be ported to Java as well.

Yes, I think a lot of what you see on the android is Java. Someone gave
me another option but it was just as alien to me.

A couple problems I see with MultiMail on the android is Zip and Unzip. Maybe that is already there, I'm not sure. We'd also need a way to down/upload mail packets and replies.

I was reading in another area a couple people are running BBSs on their phones.

If those BBSs are capable of creating QWK packets they might be looking for an OLR to go with it.. :)

Ttyl :-),
Al

I'm one of those people, but strictly speaking the BBS is running on a VM
Linux system with a Raspberry Pi release of the software.

If QWK readers would run on a Raspberry PI, it should work the same way.

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On 30 Nov 2020, Robert Wolfe said the following...

Charles Pierson wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

I was reading something about Android Studio you can write in C++ and other languages with additional NDKs. Might be the same type of thing

Yeah, I still think you need a Windows computer to run this on.

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Yes, Android Studio would require a windows computer, but the program after written would work on an Android device.

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On 30 Nov 2020, Nick Andre said the following...

On 30 Nov 20 19:09:04, Rob Swindell said the following to Robert Wolfe:

I believe Android apps are written in Java. If so that so, then MultiMail and SyncTerm would need to be ported to Java as well.

https://www.quora.com/Can-I-develop-Android-apps-using-C++

Oh c'mon now... give us a Java version of Synchronet 10 More Cowbell Edition.

Nick

If you had a version which is comoatibble with an ARM system (ie Raspberry
Pi) you can run it on an Android device. Which I am doing here.

Technically, I'm running this in a Termux session on my Android, but stilk..

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Yes, Android Studio would require a windows computer, but the program

Android Studio is available for Windows, Mac and Linux.

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On 23 Oct 2020, Sean Dennis said the following...

That is why I was thinking about going with a macbook air
so i can run bbs user stuff.

One of my regular users uses a Macbook Air with MultiMail.

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