• Demagogue Definition

    From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to All on Fri Sep 11 11:38:45 2020
    I know I shouldn't believe everything I read online, but here's Google's definition of demagogue:

    "A political leader who seeks support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument."

    Based on that definition, Trump is not a match. He uses rational argument to appeal to whoever is listening.

    But Joe Biden is an exact match for the definition of demagogue:

    He chose Kamala Harris as his running mate because she's black-ish and female.

    He thereby rejected Pete Buttigieg, the white male, homosexual, former lieutenant in the navy. "Thanks for your service in Afghanistan Pete, but you just ain't black or female enough for this gig."

    He also thereby rejected Tulsi Gabbard, the asian-Pacific islander, female, sexy, former Army medic. "Thanks for your service in Iraq Tulsi, but you just ain't black enough for this gig."

    I'm confident that you won't hear Joe Biden using the word "demagogue" while referring to Trump, because that word doesn't sound pretty coming out of his mouth.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 11 12:43:46 2020
    On 11 Sep 20 11:38, Aaron Thomas said the following to All:

    But Joe Biden is an exact match for the definition of demagogue:

    He chose Kamala Harris as his running mate because she's black-ish and fema

    Biden's mental self-destruction will be a challenge for Trump to attempt to handle things with a calm demeanor during the debates; and it won't be Trump having a challenge handling restraint, it will be Mr. Push-Up-Contest.

    The biiiiiiiiiig question is Biden's reliance on teleprompters. Trump will mop the floor with him over this. Biden going off-script sells itself.

    Nick

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 11 10:04:38 2020
    "A political leader who seeks support by appealing to the desires and prejudices of ordinary people rather than by using rational argument."

    The definition goes on.. but OK.

    Based on that definition, Trump is not a match. He uses rational argument to appeal to whoever is listening.

    Trump's racism, lies and demagogy are not rational.

    But Joe Biden is an exact match for the definition of demagogue:

    He chose Kamala Harris as his running mate because she's black-ish and female.

    It can not be any easy choice. I'm sorry she's not black enough for you, or white enough, male enough or whatever it is.

    He thereby rejected Pete Buttigieg, the white male, homosexual, former lieutenant in the navy. "Thanks for your service in Afghanistan Pete, but you just ain't black or female enough for this gig."

    I think Buttigieg is going to be a force to be reckoned with if he chooses to continue.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Nick Andre on Fri Sep 11 16:35:30 2020
    The biiiiiiiiiig question is Biden's reliance on teleprompters. Trump will the floor with him over this. Biden going off-script sells itself.

    That's hilarious! Biden has a very corrupt act to follow.

    He's going to have to try to defend the Obama administration's use of the FBI to spy on Trump's 2016 campaign, among many other difficult to do things. They will need to use a stunt-double to pose as Biden answering such questions.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 11 18:15:02 2020
    On 11 Sep 20 16:35, Aaron Thomas said the following to Nick Andre:

    That's hilarious! Biden has a very corrupt act to follow.

    He's going to have to try to defend the Obama administration's use of the F to spy on Trump's 2016 campaign, among many other difficult to do things. T will need to use a stunt-double to pose as Biden answering such questions.

    Biden won't get that far, you lying dog-faced pony soldier... he'll challenge Trump to a push up contest or some sort of tantrum at the debates. Or he will try the shit-eating grin like Clinton throughout the whole debate. All Trump has to do is look straight at the camera and give that Apprentice "WTF" look.

    Nick

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Fri Sep 11 23:29:14 2020
    Trump's racism, lies and demagogy are not rational.

    What racism and lies? And how can anyone's demagogery be rational? ***********************************************************
    It can not be any easy choice. I'm sorry she's not black enough for you, or white enough, male enough or whatever it is.

    You're not getting all the news about this stuff in your region, I suspect. Because Joe Biden announced, shortly after winning the primary, that his choice for VP running mate was going to be "a black female." He didn't explain why, because here in the states we just already know that Joe's promoting Affirmative Action, a defunct Democrat USA policy which aims to
    give African Americans a platform to sue potential employers if they don't
    hire them. Joe's "doing the right thing" by political correctness standards by getting a woman who has skin darker than Trump.

    But a promise is a promise; so why didn't we get a woman who was 100% black? Think about what Joe was saying, and look what he delilvered. He stabbed his constituents in the back by chosing Kamala, not only because she's just 50% black, but also because Joe's constituents voted against Kamala in the primary. Think about it. If voted for Joe in the primary because they didn't like Kamala's policies, then what a douche bag Joe is for making her VP.

    I bet Joe takes showers, but he's still a scum bag. Pandering to black voters while they're already stressed about police brutality? Offering no solution, but offering to show up at the victim's funeral months away from election day? Telling Charlemagne "if ya can't choose between me & Trump then you ain't black?"

    Al, I think you either miss TONS of news, or TONS of details. Try watching CNN, I bet they will give you way better details than any international
    or Canadaian news station.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 11 23:52:26 2020
    On 11 Sep 20 23:29, Aaron Thomas said the following to Alan Ianson:

    I bet Joe takes showers, but he's still a scum bag. Pandering to black vote while they're already stressed about police brutality? Offering no solution but offering to show up at the victim's funeral months away from election d Telling Charlemagne "if ya can't choose between me & Trump then you ain't black?"

    The disturbing thing about Biden's you-aint-black comment was not so much the comment itself, but that it was just so casual for him to say it. Like he's been saying it for years. When he was forced to apologize for it because it
    was just so damning to his campaign (and subsequently for Democrats), didn't he just shrug it off as a "wise guy moment". As in, whats the big problem.

    Its just a tad bit surreal that he chose a running mate that really took him to task in past debates about his role in race related matters, yet she seems to be happily accepting her chosen role as the token black woman. Then again, who wouldn't be happy as VP to someone who likely wouldn't last a single term?

    Nick

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Nick Andre on Sat Sep 12 00:15:49 2020
    The disturbing thing about Biden's you-aint-black comment was not so much t comment itself, but that it was just so casual for him to say it. Like he's

    I know! I wonder what goes on behind closed doors in Democrat meetings. I bet they still joke about conservatives taking their enslavement priviledges away.

    he just shrug it off as a "wise guy moment". As in, whats the big problem.

    Now that you mention it, what is a "wise-guy?" To me, a wise-guy is somebody who acts like they "know it all." So then, is Biden saying "I was being a know-it-all?" That means he was saying this:

    "I KNOW that 99% of black people will vote for me," and then by saying that he was having a "wise-guy moment," he's thereby saying "But I was wrong to say it out loud." So it's like he still hasn't learned his lesson.

    I won't hate the guy forever just for him being a lousy racist idiot, I just don't want him messing up our awesome US policy manual. He hopefully knows that he can forget about any Republican support on any far-left garbage proposals. If he will work with us, we'll work with him, but he'll be
    walking on thin ice after his involvement in the Obama administration.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 12 02:05:20 2020
    That's hilarious! Biden has a very corrupt act to follow.

    Biden has decades of experience for people to look at including 8 years as vice persident beside one of the most successful presidents.

    He's going to have to try to defend the Obama administration's use of the FBI
    to spy on Trump's 2016 campaign, among many other difficult to do things. They
    will need to use a stunt-double to pose as Biden answering such questions.

    The witch hunt or the Russia hoax or are we calling it Obamagate today?

    I have a list of the jailed and indicted if you'd like to see it?

    This mess hasn't quite concluded yet. Michael Flynn admited his guilt but the current DOJ dropped, or is trying to have those charges dropped and of course Donald Trump commuted Roger Stone's sentence.

    Currently the DOJ headed by William Barr is as corrupt as the White House.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 12 02:48:42 2020
    Trump's racism, lies and demagogy are not rational.

    What racism and lies? And how can anyone's demagogery be rational? ***********************************************************

    All the racism and lies.

    You're not getting all the news about this stuff in your region, I suspect. Because Joe Biden announced, shortly after winning the primary, that his
    choice for VP running mate was going to be "a black female."

    Yes, he said that and that's what he did.

    He didn't explain why, because here in the states we just already know that Joe's promoting Affirmative Action, a defunct Democrat USA policy which aims to give African Americans a platform to sue potential employers if they don't hire them. Joe's "doing the right thing" by political correctness standards by getting a woman who has skin darker than Trump.

    There are real problems today with this black/white thing, unfortunatly. Joe doesn't seem to have a problem with it.

    But a promise is a promise; so why didn't we get a woman who was 100% black?

    You're being silly again.

    Think about what Joe was saying, and look what he delilvered. He stabbed his constituents in the back by chosing Kamala, not only because she's just 50% black, but also because Joe's constituents voted against Kamala in the primary. Think about it. If voted for Joe in the primary because they didn't like Kamala's policies, then what a douche bag Joe is for making her VP.

    Sure, joe lead in the primaries and then chose Kamala as his VP pick. I thought Kamala might be the one, but it was a choice that Joe had to make as he thought best, and that's the choice Joe made.

    I bet Joe takes showers, but he's still a scum bag. Pandering to black voters while they're already stressed about police brutality? Offering no solution,
    but offering to show up at the victim's funeral months away from election day?
    Telling Charlemagne "if ya can't choose between me & Trump then you ain't black?"

    Was Joe uninvited or unwanted?

    Al, I think you either miss TONS of news, or TONS of details. Try watching CNN, I bet they will give you way better details than any international
    or Canadaian news station.

    I don't watch all of what's going on in the US but I do my best to get the facts about what I do look at.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sat Sep 12 09:46:39 2020
    On 12 Sep 20 02:48:42, Alan Ianson said the following to Aaron Thomas:

    Trump's racism, lies and demagogy are not rational.

    What racism and lies? And how can anyone's demagogery be rational?

    All the racism and lies.

    We know Trump lies about some things, no different than any past
    President. But I've also politely asked you to specifically prove racist things Trump has said or done, unless this is all just an act to obtain troll status. Janis puts on an excellent act, almost has it down to a science.

    You must have a slightly better arguement than replying with "Google it" or little snippets of widely disproven / out-of-context Youtube clips.

    Nick

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Nick Andre on Sat Sep 12 14:17:00 2020
    We know Trump lies about some things, no different than any past
    President. But I've also politely asked you to specifically prove racist things Trump has said or done, unless this is all just an act to obtain troll status.

    Since you insist he's a couple examples, the first from years ago.

    The Justice Department sued his company - twice - for not renting to black people.

    When Trump was serving as the president of his family's real estate company, the Trump Management Corporation, in 1973, the Justice Department sued the company for alleged racial discrimination against black people looking to rent apartments in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island.

    The lawsuit charged that the company quoted different rental terms and conditions to black rental candidates than it did with white candidates, and that the company lied to black applicants about apartments not being available. Trump called those accusations "absolutely ridiculous" and sued the Justice Department for $100 million in damages for defamation.

    Without admitting wrongdoing, the Trump Management Corporation settled the original lawsuit two years later and promised not to discriminate against black people, Puerto Ricans or other minorities. Trump also agreed to send weekly vacancy lists for his 15,000 apartments to the New York Urban League, a civil rights group, and to allow the NYUL to present qualified applicants for vacancies in certain Trump properties.

    Just three years after that, the Justice Department sued the Trump Management Corporation again for allegedly discriminating against black applicants by telling them apartments weren't available.

    Here's another more recent one.

    He claimed a judge was biased because "he's a Mexican."

    Trump implied that Gonzalo Curiel, the federal judge presiding over a class action against the for-profit Trump University, could not fairly hear the case because of his Mexican heritage.

    "He's a Mexican," Trump told CNN of Curiel. "We're building a wall between here and Mexico. The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings -- rulings that people can't even believe."

    Curiel, it should be noted, is an American citizen who was born in Indiana. And as a prosecutor in the late 1990s, he went after Mexican drug cartels, making him a target for assassination by a Tijuana drug lord.

    "Claiming a person can't do their job because of their race is sort of like the textbook definition of a racist comment," House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said in a reaction to Trump's comments.

    These and so many more are the reason I believe Trump is a racist.

    Janis puts on an excellent act, almost has it down to a science.

    Why do you bring Janis into this?

    You must have a slightly better arguement than replying with "Google it" or little snippets of widely disproven / out-of-context Youtube clips.

    Most times I simply put my reasons in my own words and the fews clips I provided were not "out of context" or "disproven".

    You are free to believe whatever you like, based on fact or not.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sat Sep 12 23:37:24 2020
    The witch hunt or the Russia hoax or are we calling it Obamagate today?

    It would be great if Biden used the words "witch hunt" during his debates with Trump!

    Or the Russian hoax? That would be a great talking point for Biden too! Leave it to a guy like Biden, he'll gaffe it up one way or another.

    Currently the DOJ headed by William Barr is as corrupt as the White House.

    What do you have to gain by a Biden administration? All I can gain is the laughs. It will be especially hilarious if Biden wins, then gets arrested for sexually assaulting Tara Reade. Wouldn't it be funny if they slapped the
    cuffs on him during his inauguration? I think I'd have a heart attack laughing.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sat Sep 12 23:56:11 2020
    choice for VP running mate was going to be "a black female."

    Yes, he said that and that's what he did.

    You might not realize this, but Kamala is half Indian. It's not the same as being black. My kids are half black, but they aren't black kids. There is a difference. Another thing you might not realize, is that Indians (from
    India) are racist towards blacks, and they carry that nasty torch to the United States. So that makes me wonder, on behalf of blacks in America, if Kamala knows anything more about being black than my kids do? Or does she know more about being Indian, which involves disparagement of blacks?

    What it all boils down to, is does Kamala bring any special talents to the table with her experience as being black? Can her experience lead to a policy that would help black children in any way? Or is her experience as an Indian going to lead to policy that would disparage blacks, as many Indian-Americans have done in the past?

    Joe Biden's running mate is only 50% politically correct.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sun Sep 13 21:14:42 2020
    On 12 Sep 20 14:17:00, Alan Ianson said the following to Nick Andre:

    Janis puts on an excellent act, almost has it down to a science.

    Why do you bring Janis into this?

    I mentioned that you are trying the same sort of semantic twists that she's a grandmaster at. She's an expert at echomail, I don't care what anyone says in fact its a strong bold compliment. She plays the semantics like a grandmaster. You're still a long way off though...

    Most times I simply put my reasons in my own words and the fews clips I provided were not "out of context" or "disproven".

    Yes they were, but who cares - I'm trying to understand exactly how you
    arrived at your bizarre definition of fascism. Or are you going to play semantics and tell me Trump fascism has a kinda-sorta different meaning than the term used to describe actual murdering brutal dictators like Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Keeping Up With the Kim Jong's, etc.

    Trump doesn't hold a candle to *any* of them. As he's an "idiot" to you and a fair segment of the worldwide population, he therefore logically does not possess the mental capacity to formulate such a sudden single-handed hostile takeover of a country of 300+ million people. Whether he's voted out in November or stays another 4 years.... he's eventually gone.

    If you ever worked in a volunteer capacity with new immigrants to our country, they would be able to teach you some real harsh lessons and stories on the
    real meaning of "fascism" and how we silly westerners have it made big time.

    And its incredibly hilarious to me to read from anyone any bashing of a US president when that person doesn't live in that fucking country. It clearly shows some insecurity, too much free time, or some kind of weird mental problem. I get that its easy to comment on things, but not rant on and on about fascism from the safety of your China-made keyboard. Thats just stupid.

    Nick

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Nick Andre on Sun Sep 13 23:47:49 2020
    And its incredibly hilarious to me to read from anyone any bashing of a US president when that person doesn't live in that fucking country. It clearly

    If there was a foreign country with a leader who was causing harm to my country, it would lead me to bash that leader a bit. But I can't see myself really caring that much about it.

    It's possible that some of these Canadian guys who don't like Trump could be dairy farmers. They could be angry about a Trump policy that mandates that no more milk be imported from Canada because Americans were unable to sell theirs due to competition with the Candians. But that shouldn't cause derrangement; Canadian dairy farmers just need to innovate and find new ways to sell their milk at home. Or maybe sell it to Mexico or Russia? But to just complain about Trump for the rest of one's life, while the cows are mooing, is a mistake.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Nick Andre on Sun Sep 13 22:30:32 2020
    I'm trying to understand exactly how you arrived at your bizarre definition of fascism.

    I'd use the dictionary denition like this from dictionary.com

    A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

    Donald Trump is well known for suppressing opposition. The replacement of attorneys who investigate him or his administration, trying to block the Mueller investigation and denying and distorting information.

    Or are you going to play semantics and tell me Trump fascism has a kinda-sorta different meaning than the term used to describe actual murdering brutal dictators like Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Keeping Up With the Kim
    Jong's, etc.

    No semantics, use the dictionary definition.

    Trump doesn't hold a candle to *any* of them. As he's an "idiot" to you and a fair segment of the worldwide population, he therefore logically does not possess the mental capacity to formulate such a sudden single-handed hostile takeover of a country of 300+ million people. Whether he's voted out in November or stays another 4 years.... he's eventually gone.

    I wouldn't say it was sudden. A suprise perhaps, but it wasn't sudden.

    If you ever worked in a volunteer capacity with new immigrants to our country,
    they would be able to teach you some real harsh lessons and stories on the real meaning of "fascism" and how we silly westerners have it made big time.

    Fascism is thing that could happen anywhere. I am surprised to see it in America because of the freedom that Americans pride themselves on, and rightfully so.

    And its incredibly hilarious to me to read from anyone any bashing of a US president when that person doesn't live in that fucking country. It clearly shows some insecurity, too much free time, or some kind of weird mental problem. I get that its easy to comment on things, but not rant on and on about fascism from the safety of your China-made keyboard. Thats just stupid.

    I don't like Hitler or Mussolini either.

    I don't care much for the word fascist, but I don't know a better word.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Sep 14 17:46:41 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    If there was a foreign country with a leader who was causing harm to my
    country, it would lead me to bash that leader a bit. But I can't see myself really caring that much about it.

    It's okay with you for Russia's Vladimir Putin to pay the Taliban to
    kill Americans in Afghanistan? Certainly seems to be okay with Trump,
    as he never bothered to raise the issue at all with the Russian leader.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Nick Andre on Mon Sep 14 17:47:23 2020
    Hello Nick,

    Janis puts on an excellent act, almost has it down to a science.
    Why do you bring Janis into this?

    I mentioned that you are trying the same sort of semantic twists that she's
    a
    grandmaster at. She's an expert at echomail, I don't care what anyone says
    in fact its a strong bold compliment. She plays the semantics like a grandmaster. You're still a long way off though...

    She's still just a nodelist clerk. A lowly nodelist clerk.
    Just like you.

    Most times I simply put my reasons in my own words and the fews clips I >AI>provided were not "out of context" or "disproven".

    Yes they were, but who cares - I'm trying to understand exactly how you >arrived at your bizarre definition of fascism.

    Benito Mussolini had the best definition of fascism. After all,
    he wrote it. But your claim is Alan's definition is "bizarre".
    Please elaborate.

    Or are you going to play semantics and tell me Trump fascism has a
    kinda-sorta different meaning than the term used to describe actual
    murdering brutal dictators like Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Keeping Up With the Kim Jong's, etc.

    There is a huge world of difference between fascism and a personality
    cult. Mussolini's Italy was fascist. Had something happened to Il Duce,
    Italy would have continued to be fascist. Albeit under a different
    leader.

    Hitler's Nazi Germany was based on a personality cult. The personality
    cult of Adolf Hitler. Had something happened to der Fuehrer, Nazi
    Germany would have continued as a personality cult under a new Fuehrer.

    Trump doesn't hold a candle to *any* of them.

    Melania Trump has told the news media that Donald Trump has read
    Mein Kampf, as well as some of the writings of Benito Mussolini.
    Does that make Donald Trump a fascist or a dictator? Of course not.

    As he's an "idiot" to you and a fair segment of the worldwide population, he
    therefore logically does not possess the mental capacity to formulate such
    a sudden single-handed hostile
    takeover of a country of 300+ million people.

    I am not impressed by his clownish act. Some folks love it, for
    reasons only they might know. In any event, I have never claimed
    Trump is stupid or an idiot. A pathological liar, yes. But not
    stupid.

    Whether he's voted out in November or stays another 4 years.... he's
    eventually gone.

    The man is 74 years old. I expect he will drop sooner than most.

    If you ever worked in a volunteer capacity with new immigrants to our
    country, they would be able to teach you some real harsh lessons and
    stories on the real meaning of "fascism" and how we silly westerners have
    it made big time.

    Fascism is an ideology. What immigrants are describing is not fascism,
    but authoritarianism and totalitarianism. Dictatorship is more like
    government by committee, not necessarily authoritarian.

    Mussolini had to deal with the guilds, and was never in total control. Corporations had their own say and had a hold on what he could and
    could not do.

    Putin is held in check by the Russian military. If Putin acts in ways
    the military does not like, he will be pushed aside and replaced.

    Military dictatorships have no check. When soldier tells peasant
    to do something, peasant better do what soldier wants. Or no more
    peasant.

    And its incredibly hilarious to me to read from anyone any bashing of a US
    president when that person doesn't live in that fucking country.

    The POTUS claims to be the leader of the free world. As such, every
    person in the entire world is free to bash the POTUS. See how that
    works? It's the nature of the job. Exactly what the POTUS signed up
    for.

    It clearly shows some insecurity, too much free time, or some kind of weird
    mental problem.

    Freedom. Such a beautiful thing. You should try it some time.

    I get that its easy to comment on things, but not rant on and on about
    fascism from the safety of your China-made keyboard. Thats just stupid.

    Would you rather me type in Chinese characters?

    --Lee

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Mon Sep 14 12:16:58 2020
    On 13 Sep 20 22:30:32, Alan Ianson said the following to Nick Andre:

    I'm trying to understand exactly how you arrived at your bizarre definition of fascism.

    I'd use the dictionary denition like this from dictionary.com

    A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

    Exactly, and I'm not seeing any examples of Trump forcibly suppressing criticism since the AP, CBC, CTV, CNN, MSNBC and almost any other media
    outlet routinely runs negative stories about him. A fascist dictator would
    have NONE of that.

    He's even considering giving that whistleblower Snowden a pardon. Is that fascist dictator behavior?

    Fascism is thing that could happen anywhere. I am surprised to see it in America because of the freedom that Americans pride themselves on, and rightfully so.

    I'm not sure if you're trying to troll at this point or if you really need to have some simple comparisons explained to you.

    Last I checked, Americans still have their constitution, ability to vote and
    do things like burn their own flag without being executed for treason. They can also enjoy some neato things like have the freedom to buy guns and ammo, worship whatever deity they believe in and conduct regular elections.

    Seems like the complete opposite of a fascist country, yes?

    Whatever you see in the news is petty compared to what really goes on in a totalitarian regime. The protestors have the right to protest. They managed to convince the media and some politicians that defunding the police is a bright idea hence the prolonged violence and mayhem. The majority of the media reports negatively on Trump almost 24/7. They have the right to do this. And Trump is either gone in November or in 4 years. He's not sitting there forever plus he's in his 70's - Compared to actual fascist dictator dynasties that remain the same for decades.

    I don't care much for the word fascist, but I don't know a better word.

    How about "President", as thats what Trump is. Except he's not yours or mine. Perhaps its a good idea to take a break from your intake of the CTV/CBC evening news. You have many posts here complaining about American problems.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Sep 14 15:47:13 2020
    On 14 Sep 20 17:47:23, Lee Lofaso said the following to Nick Andre:

    She's still just a nodelist clerk. A lowly nodelist clerk.
    Just like you.

    Alcoholic Swedish troll ignored.

    Nick

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Sep 14 21:49:40 2020
    It's okay with you for Russia's Vladimir Putin to pay the Taliban to
    kill Americans in Afghanistan? Certainly seems to be okay with Trump,
    as he never bothered to raise the issue at all with the Russian leader.

    Give Trump the proof he needs then he'll shove it in Putin's face.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Nick Andre on Mon Sep 14 19:17:38 2020
    Exactly, and I'm not seeing any examples of Trump forcibly suppressing criticism since the AP, CBC, CTV, CNN, MSNBC and almost any other media outlet routinely runs negative stories about him. A fascist dictator would have NONE of that.

    Sure, Trump and Biden are both ctiticized along with any number of others.

    Last I checked, Americans still have their constitution, ability to vote and do things like burn their own flag without being executed for treason. They can also enjoy some neato things like have the freedom to buy guns and ammo, worship whatever deity they believe in and conduct regular elections.

    Indeed. I hope the upcoming election will not be turned into a litigious circus and will not be violent. That may not be the case in Donald Trumps America.

    Seems like the complete opposite of a fascist country, yes?

    I see fascism in Amrica everyday. In an interview with Jeanine Pirro Donald Trump said..

    This guy was a violent criminal, and the U.S. Marshals killed him. And I will tell you something, that's the way it has to be. There has to be retribution when you have crime like this.

    We do need/want Law & Order but retribution doesn't come into it. Extrajudicial killing is not law and order.

    Whatever you see in the news is petty compared to what really goes on in a
    totalitarian regime. The protestors have the right to protest. They managed to
    convince the media and some politicians that defunding the police is a bright idea hence the prolonged violence and mayhem. The majority of the media reports negatively on Trump almost 24/7. They have the right to do this. And
    Trump is either gone in November or in 4 years. He's not sitting there forever
    plus he's in his 70's - Compared to actual fascist dictator dynasties that remain the same for decades.

    Donald Trump is a small time dictator and things could indeed get worse. That is not on my wish list.

    I don't care much for the word fascist, but I don't know a better word.

    How about "President", as thats what Trump is. Except he's not yours or mine. Perhaps its a good idea to take a break from your intake of the CTV/CBC evening news. You have many posts here complaining about American problems.

    I have said Donald Trump is president many times. We all know this.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Nick Andre on Tue Sep 15 05:28:02 2020
    Hello Nick,

    She's an expert at echomail, I don't care what anyone says
    in fact its a strong bold compliment. She plays the semantics like a NA>grandmaster. You're still a long way off though...

    She's still just a nodelist clerk. A lowly nodelist clerk.
    Just like you.

    Alcoholic Swedish troll ignored.

    Like I said, she's still just a nodelist clerk. A lowly nodelist clerk.
    Just like you.

    --Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Nick Andre on Tue Sep 15 01:04:02 2020
    On 09-14-20 12:16, Nick Andre <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Demagogue Definition <=-

    A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

    Exactly, and I'm not seeing any examples of Trump forcibly suppressing criticism since the AP, CBC, CTV, CNN, MSNBC and almost any other
    media outlet routinely runs negative stories about him. A fascist
    dictator would have NONE of that.

    He would supress them if he could, but he has no control over them.
    OTOH, he is suppressing scientific information from federal agencys
    where he does have control

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Sep 15 07:17:52 2020
    On 15 Sep 20 05:28:02, Lee Lofaso said the following to Nick Andre:

    Like I said, she's still just a nodelist clerk. A lowly nodelist clerk. Just like you.

    And like I said several times before, the only one who cares about the hats is you, an unlisted troll. GFY.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Tue Sep 15 07:21:48 2020
    On 15 Sep 20 01:04:02, Dale Shipp said the following to Nick Andre:

    media outlet routinely runs negative stories about him. A fascist dictator would have NONE of that.

    He would supress them if he could, but he has no control over them.

    Ahh but thats the thing, I keep hearing "he would if he could". He doesn't and simply cannot exert the kind of control leftists keep fearing.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 15 07:40:20 2020
    On 14 Sep 20 19:17:38, Alan Ianson said the following to Nick Andre:

    I see fascism in Amrica everyday. In an interview with Jeanine Pirro Donald Trump said..

    LOL this is getting silly now. Instead of whining to us all what you see, how about telling us all what you don't see. Like American families piling into caravans and driving up to our borders in search of a better life...

    Its embarassing and cringeworthy to keep hearing your obsessions with that evil orange bad man and how he's the personification of everything wrong with America, a country you and I do not live in yet appears to rile-up your blood.

    How ever shall you, a Canadian, handle the possibility of him being elected for another term? How ever will your fragile snowflake feelings handle it?

    Nick

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 15 05:45:24 2020
    On 14 Sep 2020, Alan Ianson said the following...
    Donald Trump said..

    This guy was a violent criminal, and the U.S. Marshals killed him. And I will tell you something, that's the way it has to be. There has to be retribution when you have crime like this.

    We do need/want Law & Order but retribution doesn't come into it. Extrajudicial killing is not law and order.

    This is a LIE... The person pulled a gun out and pointed it at the Marshals while resisting arrest.

    Trump is not polished like Obama was... but I'd take Trump's blunt truth to Obama's smooth lies.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 15 05:49:24 2020
    On 14 Sep 2020, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Donald Trump is a small time dictator and things could indeed get worse. That is not on my wish list.


    Can you give me some examples of this behavior ??

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Nick Andre on Tue Sep 15 15:00:15 2020
    Hello Nick,

    She's still just a nodelist clerk. A lowly nodelist clerk.
    Just like you.

    Alcoholic Swedish troll ignored.

    Trolls no longer explode in sunlight, thanks to COVID-19.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to All on Tue Sep 15 15:00:29 2020
    Hello Everybody,

    Nick Andre tried to explain to somebody what the heck fascism
    is, or is supposed to be. However, he really should be forgiven.
    After all, he's Canadian. Which is why it is always best to ask
    google what fascism is, and if Trump truly is a fascist. After
    all, google is your friend.

    [..]

    Most times I simply put my reasons in my own words and the fews clips I >AI>provided were not "out of context" or "disproven".

    Yes they were, but who cares - I'm trying to understand exactly how you >arrived at your bizarre definition of fascism. Or are you going to play >semantics and tell me Trump fascism has a kinda-sorta different meaning than >the term used to describe actual murdering brutal dictators like Hitler, >Stalin, Castro, Keeping Up With the Kim Jong's, etc.

    Trump doesn't hold a candle to *any* of them.

    https://www.wisdc.org/news/trump-and-fascism


    Thank you, Mr Google.

    As he's an "idiot" to you and a fair segment of the worldwide population, he
    therefore logically does not possess the mental capacity to formulate such
    a sudden single-handed hostile
    takeover of a country of 300+ million people.

    I do not envy Trump (or any other POTUS). He asked for the gig.
    So who is the "idiot"?

    --Lee

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to IB Joe on Tue Sep 15 06:35:12 2020
    Donald Trump said..

    This guy was a violent criminal, and the U.S. Marshals killed him. And I
    will tell you something, that's the way it has to be. There has to be
    retribution when you have crime like this.

    We do need/want Law & Order but retribution doesn't come into it.
    Extrajudicial killing is not law and order.

    This is a LIE... The person pulled a gun out and pointed it at the Marshals while resisting arrest.

    Trump is speaking of the actions of U.S. Marshals but I am not.

    I am speaking of Trumps words. "There has to be retribution.."

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to IB Joe on Tue Sep 15 06:39:56 2020
    Donald Trump is a small time dictator and things could indeed get worse.
    That is not on my wish list.

    Can you give me some examples of this behavior ??

    His meddling with the DOJ and various investigations when he or his friends are under investigation.

    His firing of inspector generals when they investigate his intersts.

    His replacement of the post master general with his crony.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 15 09:45:58 2020
    On 15 Sep 20 06:39:56, Alan Ianson said the following to Ib Joe:

    Can you give me some examples of this behavior ??

    His meddling with the DOJ and various investigations when he or his friends are under investigation.

    He's going to be gone either in November or in 4 years.

    He's not your president.

    Nick

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 15 08:54:54 2020
    On 15 Sep 2020, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Donald Trump said..

    This guy was a violent criminal, and the U.S. Marshals killed him. And >> will tell you something, that's the way it has to be. There has to be >> retribution when you have crime like this.

    We do need/want Law & Order but retribution doesn't come into it.
    Extrajudicial killing is not law and order.

    This is a LIE... The person pulled a gun out and pointed it at the Marsh while resisting arrest.

    Trump is speaking of the actions of U.S. Marshals but I am not.

    I am speaking of Trumps words. "There has to be retribution.."


    And there was... What the guy did, to get to the point of US Marshals looking to bring him in was not good. I would have preferred to see him go through
    the process... but if his actions fast tracked that ... so be it...

    What is wrong with retribution?? Leftist mobs are burning down cities... businesses and murdering people. They should hold these people to account.

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    SysOp of Joe's BBS
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 15 09:00:58 2020
    On 15 Sep 2020, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Donald Trump is a small time dictator and things could indeed get worse >> That is not on my wish list.

    Can you give me some examples of this behavior ??

    His meddling with the DOJ and various investigations when he or his friends are under investigation.

    There is no evidence of this...none.

    His firing of inspector generals when they investigate his intersts.

    Which IG was fired??


    His replacement of the post master general with his crony.


    Post Master was replaced to assist in the multi- billion dollar losses it
    makes yearly...

    Listen, you said Trump was s dictator.... look it up... How is he like
    Castro?? or other dictators??

    He's working hard to restore freedoms and give individuals their liberties back.

    IB Joe
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 15 11:17:42 2020
    This guy was a violent criminal, and the U.S. Marshals killed him. And I wi tell you something, that's the way it has to be. There has to be retributio when you have crime like this.

    The killing of Solemani? The Iranian? Did you send flowers to his funeral?

    Donald Trump is a small time dictator and things could indeed get worse. Th is not on my wish list.

    How could the leader of the USA be a small time dictator? Wouldn't he be more like a large-scale dictator?

    The media gives Trump too much credit for dictatorship. If you want to see a real dictator in the USA, who actually kills his own residents with executive orders, look no further than NY governor Andrew Cuomo, a proud member of the radical Democrat party.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Ib Joe on Tue Sep 15 11:24:59 2020
    Listen, you said Trump was s dictator.... look it up... How is he like Castro?? or other dictators??

    It would be a peaceful day in Cuba if someone who worked for the Castros
    were to say "They fired me!" instead of saying "They burned me alive."

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 15 10:20:15 2020
    On 15 Sep 2020, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Donald Trump is a small time dictator and things could indeed get worse >> That is not on my wish list.

    Can you give me some examples of this behavior ??

    His meddling with the DOJ and various investigations when he or his friends are under investigation.

    His firing of inspector generals when they investigate his intersts.

    His replacement of the post master general with his crony.

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    I was driving down the road when I realized your Origin line and it's significants .... Dictator ??? Meddling in on investigations.... Bla Bla Bla...
    Can all be summed up in one word... Trudeau

    Funny as shit..

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 15 11:46:52 2020
    On 15 Sep 2020, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    Listen, you said Trump was s dictator.... look it up... How is he like Castro?? or other dictators??

    It would be a peaceful day in Cuba if someone who worked for the Castros were to say "They fired me!" instead of saying "They burned me alive."


    My home state is Florida... I know some Cubans... I've met and seen first
    hand the desperation of Cubans fleeing their country.

    I see the dictator Trump was out dictating again... Peace Agreement signed today for the middle east.

    Trump did say that you'd get tired of winning... Not sure if that's going to happen...

    :)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Ib Joe on Tue Sep 15 17:58:31 2020
    I see the dictator Trump was out dictating again... Peace Agreement signed today for the middle east.

    You have me confused with one of the liberal guys.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to IB Joe on Tue Sep 15 15:40:52 2020
    And there was... What the guy did, to get to the point of US Marshals looking to bring him in was not good. I would have preferred to see him go through the process... but if his actions fast tracked that ... so be it...

    I would have to, we would have some facts to go on. I was not talking about the actions of marshal's because I don't know what happened aside from that fact that they killed him because they said he brandished a weapon.

    Perhaps some details will come out.

    I was speaking to Donald Trumps words when you called me a liar.

    What is wrong with retribution??

    Really?

    You can have justice or you can have retribution but you can't have both. The whole reason for the justice system both here and in the US is so people can get justice when they are wronged.

    You seem to be advocating some sort of street justice. Steet justice can happen when the justice system fails.

    Leftist mobs are burning down cities... businesses and murdering people.

    That is a lie. Rioters could be left, center or right and don't care about politics. Rioting is not a political movement. There is nothing good about rioting and looting and it is not a left/right policy.

    There are extreme left/right wing groups. These groups have caused trouble in the past and currently but they are not democrat or republican. These groups are no help to democrats, republicans or the political process.

    They should hold these people to account.

    Indeed they should when people who riot/burn/murder can be identified, charged and convicted.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to IB Joe on Tue Sep 15 16:17:34 2020
    There is no evidence of this...none.

    There is so much evidence of this. More of Bill Barr's manipulation of the justice system for Donald Trump is pending. Keep an eye out.

    His firing of inspector generals when they investigate his intersts.

    Which IG was fired??

    There were several, to many for me to name from memory but I didn't get that from the dark web.

    His replacement of the post master general with his crony.

    Post Master was replaced to assist in the multi- billion dollar losses it makes yearly...

    Donald Trump himself, refused to fund the post office.

    Listen, you said Trump was s dictator.... look it up... How is he like Castro?? or other dictators??

    The secret police is a clear one. Trump "invaded" Portland with this secret unidentified police when unrest in Portland was slowing down and local authorities didn't want outside help. His action didn't help the situation.

    He's working hard to restore freedoms and give individuals their liberties back.

    Today we have the BLM protesters on one side of the street and Donald Trump supporters on the other side. People have been killed on both sides. That is Donald Trump's America, the situation we are in now.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 15 17:21:18 2020
    On 15 Sep 2020, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    I see the dictator Trump was out dictating again... Peace Agreement si today for the middle east.

    You have me confused with one of the liberal guys.


    No I wasn't.... I was responding sarcastically for the liberal readers whop might be trolling...

    :)

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 16 03:47:55 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    Listen, you said Trump was s dictator.... look it up... How is he like >IJ>Castro?? or other dictators??

    It would be a peaceful day in Cuba if someone who worked for the Castros
    were to say "They fired me!" instead of saying "They burned me alive."

    Fidel Castro was cremated. But not until after he had passed away.
    Raul Castro is still around. Not yet ready to join his brother.
    But I do suspect he will also wait until he dies a natural death.
    With all the pretty nurses by his side.

    --Lee

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 15 17:54:46 2020
    The killing of Solemani? The Iranian? Did you send flowers to his funeral?

    I remember when this happened but the details are foggy now. No I didn't send flowers.

    Who was that guy? I don't have a good/bad feeling about it.

    Donald Trump is a small time dictator and things could indeed get worse. Th >> is not on my wish list.

    How could the leader of the USA be a small time dictator? Wouldn't he be more like a large-scale dictator?

    In tuth, yes he is.

    The media gives Trump too much credit for dictatorship.

    That could be but that facts are clear.

    If you want to see a real dictator in the USA, who actually kills his own residents with executive orders, look no further than NY governor Andrew Cuomo, a proud member of the radical Democrat party.

    How did Andrew Cuomo actually kill his own residents?

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ib Joe on Tue Sep 15 20:50:17 2020
    On 15 Sep 20 10:20:15, Ib Joe said the following to Alan Ianson:

    I was driving down the road when I realized your Origin line and it's significants .... Dictator ??? Meddling in on investigations.... Bla Bla Bla...
    Can all be summed up in one word... Trudeau

    Unfortunately you'll find a lot of his nonstop whining about American problems; either its a sad mental disorder or a desire to troll for shits and giggles.

    Nick

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ib Joe on Tue Sep 15 23:39:02 2020
    On 09-15-20 09:00, Ib Joe <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Demagogue Definition <=-

    His meddling with the DOJ and various investigations when he or his friends are under investigation.

    There is no evidence of this...none.

    Have you been asleep? Look at the way his friends (Stone and Flynn)
    have had their investigations and convictions altered by Trump and Barr.

    His firing of inspector generals when they investigate his intersts.

    Which IG was fired??

    There were at least four of them. Look it up.

    His replacement of the post master general with his crony.


    Post Master was replaced to assist in the multi- billion dollar losses
    it makes yearly...

    The only reason that the Post Office is showing a "loss" is because a Republican congress passed a law saying that they had to fund a 75 years
    worth of pensions. Before that was imposed, they showed a profit.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 15 23:49:04 2020
    On 09-15-20 11:17, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Demagogue Definition <=-

    The media gives Trump too much credit for dictatorship. If you want to
    see a real dictator in the USA, who actually kills his own residents
    with executive orders, look no further than NY governor Andrew Cuomo,
    a proud member of the radical Democrat party.

    How has Cuomo killed NY residents? His actions ended up with Covid
    pretty much under control.

    If you want to look for who killed their own residents, you need look no further than Trump. He has admitted that he knew how deadly Covid-19
    was and how it was air spread. But instead of telling the American
    people that, he said "not to worry -- it will all blow over soon". Plus
    he actively denigrated the procedures which have proven effective in
    containing the spread -- namely social distancing, and wearing a mask.
    He just recently treated his most fervent fans to a high risk indoor
    crowded event with no masks. When asked about this, his response was something along the lines of "No worry, I was safely away from
    everyone". In other words, the only person he cared about protecting
    from being infected was Donald Trump.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 15 22:27:51 2020
    On 15 Sep 2020, Alan Ianson said the following...

    What is wrong with retribution??

    Really?


    Googled the retribution ....

    Retribution comes from the Latin for giving back what's due, either reward or punishment. But when we talk about retribution, we only talk about
    punishment. The old punishment code of "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth," is an example of retribution. Some people think about large events
    like tornados or earthquakes as cosmic retribution for human pride. Some synonyms are compensation, recompense, requital.

    And yes... eye for an eye business is fine by me.

    We have a guy who killed someone, was seen on video doing it. A few days
    later he does a press interview saying he did it....

    He should not have resisted... with a gun... and we might have been able to hang him at a later date.

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    SysOp of Joe's BBS
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 15 22:39:43 2020
    On 15 Sep 2020, Alan Ianson said the following...

    You can have justice or you can have retribution but you can't have
    both. The whole reason for the justice system both here and in the US is so people can get justice when they are wronged.

    You seem to be advocating some sort of street justice. Steet justice can happen when the justice system fails.

    Yes you can....
    Justice was Google'd

    the maintenance or administration of what is just especially by the impartial adjustment of conflicting claims or the assignment of merited rewards or punishments

    Justice is the process of determining guilt where as retribution is see as
    the payment for the wrong doing... Court system finds you guilty (process)... sentences you to a term in jail... (consequence) AKA retribution

    The justice system is all we have to bring out the truth and show the
    evidence to the public. Buddy lost that right when he resisted arrest and
    even worse done so with a gun.

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Nick Andre on Tue Sep 15 22:47:09 2020
    On 15 Sep 2020, Nick Andre said the following...

    Unfortunately you'll find a lot of his nonstop whining about American problems; either its a sad mental disorder or a desire to troll for
    shits and giggles.


    Nick.... watched a rebel news clip today and it said Trudeau wanted to use
    the Canadian military to monitor Social Media accounts to find decenters of
    his Liberal policies. It took some clear thinking people in the military to make this fact known.

    There is something going on... dark times for free countries

    Anyway...

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Dale Shipp on Tue Sep 15 22:52:23 2020
    On 15 Sep 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    The only reason that the Post Office is showing a "loss" is because a Republican congress passed a law saying that they had to fund a 75 years worth of pensions. Before that was imposed, they showed a profit.

    Bullshit ...

    Post office looses money because people are not using mail like they use to
    and companies like Amazon use them, with cheap rates, to send the packages around the country.

    There is nothing wrong with re-assessing the mail system to rethink how the system should work in the 21st century

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ib Joe on Wed Sep 16 01:00:12 2020
    On 15 Sep 20 22:47:09, Ib Joe said the following to Nick Andre:

    Nick.... watched a rebel news clip today and it said Trudeau wanted to use the Canadian military to monitor Social Media accounts to find decenters of his Liberal policies. It took some clear thinking people in the military t make this fact known.

    I'll check that out, I don't do social media except for Linkedin for work opportunities although I haven't been on that in awhile now. Are you sure its the military and not CSIS?

    I'm genuinely curious why no outrage by BLM and other leftists over Trudeau's blackface parties. Maybe thats why he took a knee and surrendered to them before the riots (excuse me, "peaceful protests") came to 24 sussex drive.

    There is something going on... dark times for free countries

    Totally. Its going to be even crazier come November.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to IB Joe on Tue Sep 15 23:27:20 2020
    The justice system is all we have to bring out the truth and show the evidence to the public. Buddy lost that right when he resisted arrest and even worse done so with a gun.

    A suspect is innocent until proven guilty. Once that guilt has been established you can have retribution it you must call it that.

    Michael Reinoehl's guilt (or not) can not be established now that he has been killed by US marshals.

    The "takedown" of Michael Reinoehl by a federal fugitive task force resembled an execution, according to a new eyewitness, Nate Dinguss.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Nick Andre on Wed Sep 16 06:08:17 2020
    On 16 Sep 2020, Nick Andre said the following...

    On 15 Sep 20 22:47:09, Ib Joe said the following to Nick Andre:

    Nick.... watched a rebel news clip today and it said Trudeau wanted to the Canadian military to monitor Social Media accounts to find decente his Liberal policies. It took some clear thinking people in the milit make this fact known.

    I'll check that out, I don't do social media except for Linkedin for
    work opportunities although I haven't been on that in awhile now. Are
    you sure its the military and not CSIS?

    Nope, it was the military. It was someone in the military that outed him (Them)... I do not follow Canadian politics as much as I should. I have a friend in Mississauga that does... I usually get updates from him... He confirmed the story.

    The media was the place to go at one time... Now you have to dig on your own. There are a lot of sources on youtube... Rebel News and True North to mention
    a few. The mainstream media are not educating the public, they are hiding information from the public. Troubling times...


    I'm genuinely curious why no outrage by BLM and other leftists over Trudeau's blackface parties. Maybe thats why he took a knee and surrendered to them before the riots (excuse me, "peaceful protests")
    came to 24 sussex drive.


    They'll only cannibalize themselves so much... They were on the #MeToo for as long as it served them. They moved from that to other things, such as BLM, when it suits the left. This is supported by the poor quality of the DNC convention ... most of Hollywood's best movie producers are in jail... ever since Harvey Weinstein was sent to jail the Democrats cannot get anything produced right.

    There is something going on... dark times for free countries

    Totally. Its going to be even crazier come November.


    Hopefully it'll stop..

    IB Joe
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    SysOp of Joe's BBS
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Wed Sep 16 11:28:30 2020
    The secret police is a clear one. Trump "invaded" Portland with this secret unidentified police when unrest in Portland was slowing down and local authorities didn't want outside help. His action didn't help the situation.

    That sounds like a propaganda stunt. This story is nowhere to be found by any reputable news source in the USA.

    There's violence in Portland every day, whether there are "secret police" out there instigating it or not. They seem to be protesting Trump's presidency. They all have TDS. Many of them will lose their opportunity to vote him out because they are transitioning into felons, which makes them ineligible to vote. By taking themselves off the voting market, they are helping Trump.

    Trump offered the Democrat mayor Ted Wheeler(D) help from the national
    guard & he refused; so which guy is more of a promoter of violence in Portland?

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Sep 16 11:34:25 2020
    It would be a peaceful day in Cuba if someone who worked for the Castros >were to say "They fired me!" instead of saying "They burned me alive."

    Fidel Castro was cremated. But not until after he had passed away.
    Raul Castro is still around. Not yet ready to join his brother.
    But I do suspect he will also wait until he dies a natural death.
    With all the pretty nurses by his side.

    But what is the significance of what you're saying? Not everyone is on LSD at the moment, but if you are willing to sell me a dose for like $5, I will totally join the party.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Wed Sep 16 11:53:01 2020
    The killing of Solemani? The Iranian? Did you send flowers to his funeral?

    I remember when this happened but the details are foggy now. No I didn't se flowers.

    Who was that guy? I don't have a good/bad feeling about it.

    You mentioned something about "a dictator kills a man" and I thought you were talking about Trump killing Solemani. Solemani was a member of the Iranian military, and he was targeted and killed by US forces.

    If you want to see a real dictator in the USA, who actually kills his own residents with executive orders, look no further than NY governor Andrew Cuomo, a proud member of the radical Democrat party.

    How did Andrew Cuomo actually kill his own residents?

    Cuomo made an executive order (Andrew Cuomo + Execute Orders =
    Dictatorship) that nursing homes in NY MUST take covid-19 patients whether or not they have the capacity to quarantine them. This led to the deaths of more than 6,000 elderly NYers.
    https://nursinghome411.org/ny-nursinghome-covid-data/

    His only alternative would have been to just relax his cocaine-absorbed brain for a sec and let the covid-19 patients remain in hospitals. But, a dictator has got to do what a dictator has got to do.

    Aside from the nursing home massacre, his lousy bail reform law has cost lives. https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/capital-region/news/2020/01/14/man-released- under-bail-reform-facing-murder-charges

    The people of NY didn't ask for the nursing home massacre or for the ridiculous bail reform. All we can do is bow down to this guy while he murders our people, kill our economy, and gives the middle finger to crime victims and police.

    And we can't vote this guy out. Trump will be gone - guaranteed - either in 2020 or 2024. But Andrew Cuomo, the state dictator of NY, can remain in office for decades, and there's nothing we can do about that.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Wed Sep 16 12:56:39 2020
    How has Cuomo killed NY residents? His actions ended up with Covid
    pretty much under control.

    I answered Al's similar question a few messages back, but something I
    forgot to mention was that Andrew Cuomo routinely empowers organized crime in NYS. People like me complain about it, then liberals defend it by twisting words around.

    Organized crime kills. Why do we want to empower that? And why do we want to slap cops & crime victims in the face with cashless bail? And why do we want to deny legal aid to crime victims, but give legal aid to their assailants simply because they qualify under "illegal immigrants get free legal aid?"

    To answer your question clearly, Andrew Cuomo kills NY residents by giving murderers all the tools they need to do the job.

    ..and if covid-19 was a criminal, it would be no exception; Cuomo bolstered the strength of covid-19 by forcing small nursing homes to attempt to contain the virus. I think he was originally pandering to the seniors in that scenario, trying to sell them "I made sure you could go back to your nursing home & I made sure you didn't have to stay in some stinky hospital!" But he actually killed over 6000 seniors with his selfish pandering vote-seeking agenda.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to IB Joe on Wed Sep 16 21:14:21 2020
    Hello Joe,

    The only reason that the Post Office is showing a "loss" is because a Republican congress passed a law saying that they had to fund a 75
    years
    worth of pensions. Before that was imposed, they showed a profit. Bullshit ...

    Post office looses money because people are not using mail like they use to and companies like Amazon use them, with cheap rates, to send the packages around the country.

    There is nothing wrong with re-assessing the mail system to rethink how the system should work in the 21st century

    Yeah. Let's go back to the way Italy ran their postal system
    in the 1990s. Talk about back to the future. Michael Fox would
    be proud. NOT!

    --Lee

    --
    Everybody Loves Our Buns

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    * Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Nick Andre on Wed Sep 16 21:14:46 2020
    Hello Nick,

    I don't do social media

    Hey! We have something in common! Hooray!

    --Lee

    --
    No justice! No peace!

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    * Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)
  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 16 16:51:48 2020
    The secret police is a clear one. Trump "invaded" Portland with this secret >> unidentified police when unrest in Portland was slowing down and local
    authorities didn't want outside help. His action didn't help the situation.

    That sounds like a propaganda stunt. This story is nowhere to be found by any reputable news source in the USA.

    Are you living in some sort of bubble or is that simply denial?

    https://youtu.be/5pTqAn5mK-E

    There's violence in Portland every day, whether there are "secret police" out there instigating it or not. They seem to be protesting Trump's presidency. They all have TDS. Many of them will lose their opportunity to vote him out because they are transitioning into felons, which makes them ineligible to vote. By taking themselves off the voting market, they are helping Trump.

    The unrest in Portland predates BLM or the death of George Floyd.

    Trump offered the Democrat mayor Ted Wheeler(D) help from the national
    guard & he refused; so which guy is more of a promoter of violence in Portland?

    Cities and states are responsible for law enforcement in their jusidictions. There are federal resources like the national guard that can be called in if needed. That is available to states at all times and will be deployed quickly when called upon.

    Portland is trying to solve the problem. Going in with a military force and arresting everyone doesn't solve the problem, unless you are a dictator and plan to continue your crackdown.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757.2)
  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 16 17:07:06 2020
    How did Andrew Cuomo actually kill his own residents?

    Cuomo made an executive order (Andrew Cuomo + Execute Orders =
    Dictatorship)

    That is not dictatorship, that is a normal thing that all governors do.

    that nursing homes in NY MUST take covid-19 patients whether or
    not they have the capacity to quarantine them. This led to the deaths of more than 6,000 elderly NYers. https://nursinghome411.org/ny-nursinghome-covid-data/

    Are you speaking of the early days of the pandemic?

    Lots of mistakes were made here also when there was little good information about the best way to proceed and hospital spaces in NY were filling up. It was a huge problem.

    And we can't vote this guy out. Trump will be gone - guaranteed - either in
    2020 or 2024. But Andrew Cuomo, the state dictator of NY, can remain in office
    for decades, and there's nothing we can do about that.

    He will? I always thought Governors were elected in the US.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757.2)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 17 05:11:28 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    It would be a peaceful day in Cuba if someone who worked for the Castros >LL>>were to say "They fired me!" instead of saying "They burned me alive." >LL> LL>Fidel Castro was cremated. But not until after he had passed away. >LL>Raul Castro is still around. Not yet ready to join his brother.
    But I do suspect he will also wait until he dies a natural death.
    With all the pretty nurses by his side.

    But what is the significance of what you're saying? Not everyone is on LSD
    at the moment, but if you are willing to sell me a dose for like $5, I will totally join the party.

    Oh, c'mon man! Cubans get their meds for free! Everybody knows that!

    --Lee

    --
    Muslim rights are human rights!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Sep 16 21:58:53 2020
    I don't do social media

    Hey! We have something in common! Hooray!

    I'm with you both on that. I use facebook only to promote business. It has affordable advertising for any business. But for BBS trolling, telnet all the way, right Lee?

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Wed Sep 16 22:12:00 2020
    That sounds like a propaganda stunt. This story is nowhere to be found by any reputable news source in the USA.

    Are you living in some sort of bubble or is that simply denial?

    How much are they paying you? You are too funny!

    Al, what it all comes down to, is there are Americans who favor Trump & some who don't. Our sense of democracy here is that if you don't like who's in office, then you vote against them. That's all a citizen can do. And if democrats are ever able to have it their way, then illegal immigrants will be a new voice in our elections.

    Let's be friends - I like my president. Yours doesn't seem too bad for a liberal. Trump does things specifically that help my family, and I have no choice but to appreciate it.

    When Trump does things you don't like, just tell me about it. I'll pass the word on to him as a concerned citizen. But you've got to be real with me first. Some of this stuff we've discussed seems ridiculously bogus to me.

    Trump doesn't paint an evil picture of Democrats doing ridiculous things.
    But look at all the crazy stuff that Trump followers do, well, they're doing it on their own. Trump's not paying anyone to do stupid things like the
    Biden train. The Biden train bailed people out of jail for burning stores to the ground, looting, etc. So with that being said, how can anyone judge Trump for... what is it now?

    Let's find common ground - if we're to bash Trump, let's at least point out how you would do it differernt?

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Sep 16 23:02:50 2020
    Oh, c'mon man! Cubans get their meds for free! Everybody knows that!

    I'm not Cuban. I think I'd be scared to trip with you, but I'd definitely have a few drinks with you.

    You see, if we trip together, I might start to see crazy truths about liberals that will frieghten me. But if we drink together, then we will be less inhibited, and we can speak our minds from the darkest depths.

    I think the president and the house democrats need to get drunk together. Like what Winehouse guy? He totally needs to get trucked up a bit more. And Trump? I think he will finally smoke a bong in 2024 while handing the keys to the White House to some Democrat who's ready to give us back to China.

    It's inevitable. But on the bright side, no more suprise viruses (virii) from pissed off China. They will allow us health while we work to pay off the debt that Joe Biden will promise to them.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 16 21:27:32 2020
    How much are they paying you? You are too funny!

    Nobody is paying me. These things I speak of are real and well known. They are reported by the mainstream media as well as the left and right media. You won't read about it on oann.

    Al, what it all comes down to, is there are Americans who favor Trump & some who don't. Our sense of democracy here is that if you don't like who's in office, then you vote against them. That's all a citizen can do. And if democrats are ever able to have it their way, then illegal immigrants will be a new voice in our elections.

    American's are free to vote as they choose, and also discuss issues if they choose.

    Let's be friends - I like my president.

    We are friends, at least in a kind of digital way. If I could I would shake your hand but I don't think that is going to happen.

    You asked me a week or so ago if I was American and I started writing other things and forgot to answer that. I have friends and family in the US. Mostly around Santa Rosa and Seattle.

    I understand you like your president and you are free to like (or not) anybody at all.

    I have an uncle Bob who is just like Trump. I like him but would never vote for him in any kind of election. He is a well liked person and I don't know if others in my family would vote (if he were running in some election) for him but we are all free to make our choice based on whatever we choose to base it on.

    Yours doesn't seem too bad for a liberal.

    He is OK, he's a politician so..

    Trump does things specifically that help my family, and I have no choice but to appreciate it.

    I don't think you need Donald Trump to get what you need from your government but I am glad you are getting something.

    When Trump does things you don't like, just tell me about it. I'll pass the word on to him as a concerned citizen. But you've got to be real with me first. Some of this stuff we've discussed seems ridiculously bogus to me.

    Donald Trumps complete lack of a national plan around coronavirus comes to mind, along with his disregard for any kind of science.

    The curruption of the current WH and DOJ is another thing that needs work.

    Trump doesn't paint an evil picture of Democrats doing ridiculous things.

    His whole campaign is based on the evil that democrats will do if elected!

    So with that being said, how can anyone judge Trump for... what is it now?

    You are living in Donald Trumps America now. He is not responsible for things like the coronavirus or the current civil unrest but he is reponsible for his response to it.

    Let's find common ground - if we're to bash Trump, let's at least point out how you would do it differernt?

    Trump has his advisors. Ivana, Jared and many more so I am sure he will find a way to where he is going.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757.2)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Thu Sep 17 10:49:17 2020
    We are friends, at least in a kind of digital way. If I could I would shake your hand but I don't think that is going to happen.

    Thanks. Presidents are only 4-8 years, but BBS buds are timeless.

    Donald Trumps complete lack of a national plan around coronavirus comes to mind, along with his disregard for any kind of science.

    Here's how I saw the coronavirus unfold in the USA:

    A cruise ship full of coronavirus infected Americans needed to dock in the
    USA. They docked, and people were treated for the virus on the ship, instead of them scampering off in random directions.

    Congressional Democrats were finishing up their second attempt at
    impeaching the president, which led them to a 2nd failure to convict.

    Trump soon told all Americans to "stay indoors." Disgruntled failed impeachment manager Nancy Pelosi got jealous of Trump being president and telling Americans to "stay indoors," so she gave advice of "don't stay
    indoors and come to Chinatown in San Francisco."

    Trump refused to wear a mask while giving an address to the people of the United States. That enraged Democrats. They wanted us to take directions from Trump looking like Cobra Commander from G.I. Joe. Trump told all Americans
    to wear masks when social distancing isn't possible.

    As far as I know, the country is still "closed" to foreginers, so at least we're not (hopefully not) getting more infections from foreigners.

    Congressional Democrats stalled the 1st coronavirus relief bill. They wanted green energy initiatives included in the bill, but Republicans refused to
    sign that, because they wanted to help the American people and not be duped by Democrats.

    Now Congressional Democrats (like Nancy) refuse to give the American
    people a 2nd stimulus check, which Republicans are ready to hand over,
    because the Demcorats are trying to infuse the bill with things that have nothing to do with coronavirus or economic recovery.

    So assuming that the borders are still as closed as possible, I am happy with Trump's response to the coronavirus.

    When asked what he would do different, Joe Biden said he'd sign a "national mask mandate," making it a police-enforceable offense for Americans to wander in public without a mask on. I don't think that's a good policy. I like things the way they are, where people don't have to get arrested for not wearing masks. After all, arrests are worthless in New York & California anyway.

    The coronavirus has been delivered to us from China, and a few other foreign countries that acted as distrubution specialists. People arriving from foreign countries don't care about stupid American laws, and they don't obey them. Some adorable Canadian people probably would obey the rules best they can, but ask a person from China who just arrived through a Mexican tunnel if they care about President Biden's "national mask mandate." That person will wear a mask when they go to the NY DMV to pick up their driver's license, maybe.



    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 17 22:26:36 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    I don't do social media
    Hey! We have something in common! Hooray!

    I'm with you both on that. I use facebook only to promote business. It has
    affordable advertising for any business. But for BBS trolling, telnet all
    the way, right Lee?

    Well, I used to telnet. Back in the day. But with JamNNTPd making
    things so much simpler, even telnet is passé.

    --Lee

    --
    Every bite is a different temperature

    --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
    * Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 17 22:27:22 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    Oh, c'mon man! Cubans get their meds for free! Everybody knows that!

    I'm not Cuban. I think I'd be scared to trip with you, but I'd definitely
    have a few drinks with you.

    The Absinthe House. In New Orleans. Only the good stuff is served
    in that place. Oh, that green liquid is sooooo good! Better than LSD!
    Made out of real wormwood!

    "There was a house in New Orleans
    They call the Rising Sun ..."

    That's the place.

    You see, if we trip together, I might start to see crazy truths about
    liberals that will frieghten me. But if we drink together, then we will be less inhibited, and we can speak our minds from the darkest depths.

    The Green Fairie will reveal everything once you have drank from
    her fountain ...

    I think the president and the house democrats need to get drunk together.
    Like what Winehouse guy? He totally needs to get trucked up a bit more. And Trump? I think he will finally smoke a bong in 2024 while handing the keys to the White House to some Democrat who's ready to give us back to China.

    Too bad the president doesn't drink. He doesn't smoke, either. Talk
    about a loser. Won't even eat a fortune cookie, much less an egg roll.
    Yeah. We have those. In the French Quarter. For those wanting to sober
    up.

    It's inevitable. But on the bright side, no more suprise viruses (virii)
    from pissed off China. They will allow us health while we work to pay off
    the debt that Joe Biden will promise to them.

    Debt? What debt? We'll just default and let China pay for everything.

    --Lee

    --
    Nobody Beats Our Meat

    --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
    * Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Sep 17 16:53:01 2020
    things so much simpler, even telnet is pass*.

    Is there any daily activity in non-politics echos? I think we are the only people using Fido.

    Fido should clean out all the dead echos and add a few new ones, to keep up with the times better.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 17 16:56:17 2020
    On 17 Sep 20 16:53, Aaron Thomas said the following to Lee Lofaso:

    Is there any daily activity in non-politics echos? I think we are the only people using Fido.

    Some activity in the Linux, Mystic and Synchronet areas. Future4Fido is picking up a bit through gating using something called Telegram but I don't know much else about it.

    Fido should clean out all the dead echos and add a few new ones, to keep up with the times better.

    Its been a long-standing complaint... killing dead echos is almost impossible, but anyone can create an echo. You could even conjure-up one if you wanted.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 18 03:26:49 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    We are friends, at least in a kind of digital way. If I could I would
    shake AI> your hand but I don't think that is going to happen.

    Thanks. Presidents are only 4-8 years, but BBS buds are timeless.

    Once a president, always a president.

    Jimmy Carter was POTUS from 1977-1981.
    He is still addressed today as Mr. President.

    Donald Trump was POTUS from 2017-2021.
    He will still be addressed after he leaves office as Mr. President.

    --Lee

    --
    I won't fan the flames of hate, ~Joe Biden

    --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
    * Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)
  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 17 19:30:00 2020
    The coronavirus has been delivered to us from China,

    You make it sound like someone ordered it from Amazon.

    The chinese are no more responsible for coronavirus than the USA is responsible for H1N1.

    and a few other foreign

    It's a pandemic. It affects every person regardless of their location anywhere in the world.

    countries that acted as distrubution specialists.

    The coronavirus made it's way around the world as a virus always does.

    What countries do you suspect of acting as distribution specialists?

    People arriving from foreign countries don't care about stupid American laws, and they don't obey them. Some adorable Canadian people probably would obey the rules best they can, but ask a person from China who just arrived through a Mexican tunnel if they care about President Biden's "national mask mandate." That person will wear a mask when they go to the NY DMV to pick up their driver's license, maybe.

    Even Americans need to pay attention to these laws if we want to get ahead of the coronavirus.

    https://youtu.be/2Gbg9FUW1Rk

    The CDC has a few simple guidlines to keep people safe in the face of this ongoing pandemic. Wash your hands, pratice social distancing, wear a mask when appropriate and avoid large gatherings.

    This is all inconvenient but it is simple and effective. CDC director Robert Redfield says masks may be more effective than the upcoming vaccine. Until a vaccine can be widely distributed and proven effective these simple measures are needed.

    Those guidelines are not to trample your rights, they are to keep people everywhere safe from coronavirus.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757.2)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Sep 17 17:24:52 2020
    The Absinthe House. In New Orleans. Only the good stuff is served
    in that place. Oh, that green liquid is sooooo good! Better than LSD!

    There's a BBS called Absinthe. Is that yours?

    Too bad the president doesn't drink. He doesn't smoke, either. Talk

    I know he's a weird guy, but his policies are what keep me happy.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Nick Andre on Thu Sep 17 17:28:39 2020
    Some activity in the Linux, Mystic and Synchronet areas. Future4Fido is

    Thanks for that tip. I will check those out.

    Its been a long-standing complaint... killing dead echos is almost impossib but anyone can create an echo. You could even conjure-up one if you wanted.

    That's cool, and I didn't know fido was so open to new echos. But the future doesn't look bright for an echo when it's sitting in a bucket full of oldies like ham radio, collecting stamps, etc.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 17 22:36:50 2020
    On 17 Sep 20 17:28, Aaron Thomas said the following to Nick Andre:

    That's cool, and I didn't know fido was so open to new echos. But the futur doesn't look bright for an echo when it's sitting in a bucket full of oldie like ham radio, collecting stamps, etc.

    I created a masturbation echo but I was the only one contributing.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 17 20:02:04 2020
    I know he's a weird guy, but his policies are what keep me happy.

    His politics from 1989 are similar to his politics today.

    https://youtu.be/Paf8MPhSG08

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757.2)
  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 17 00:36:00 2020
    On 09-16-20 12:56, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-

    How has Cuomo killed NY residents? His actions ended up with Covid
    pretty much under control.

    I answered Al's similar question a few messages back, but something I forgot to mention was that Andrew Cuomo routinely empowers organized
    crime in NYS. People like me complain about it, then liberals defend
    it by twisting words around.

    That is not the topic we are discussing, and I doubt that you can
    provide any evidence about it anyhow.

    ..and if covid-19 was a criminal, it would be no exception; Cuomo bolstered the strength of covid-19 by forcing small nursing homes to attempt to contain the virus. I think he was originally pandering to
    the seniors in that scenario, trying to sell them "I made sure you
    could go back to your nursing home & I made sure you didn't have to
    stay in some stinky hospital!" But he actually killed over 6000
    seniors with his selfish pandering vote-seeking agenda.

    That was a mistake, and Cuomo owned up to it. Once it was realized how vulnerable nursing homes were, the policy was reversed.

    OTOH, Trump realized how serious Covid was in early January -- but
    deliberately lied to the American people in an attempt not to "cause
    panic". As a result, he has killed tens of thousands of Americans who
    did not have to die.

    Not only that, but he has vigorously talked against the very measures
    that are known by reputable scientists to help mitigate the spread of
    the virus -- social distancing and masks. As a result his minions have
    made such things a political issue instead of the science issue it
    really is.

    And more recently he has taken in a radiologist (e.g. does MRIs etc) as
    his advisor who is touting the absurd theory that we should just let
    people get infected so that we would reach "herd immunity".

    The most conservative estimates are that before that happened the number
    of dead Americans would be in excess of two million, an order of
    magnitude more than it currently is.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


    ... Shipwrecked in Silver Spring, Maryland. 00:45:54, 17 Sep 2020
    ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30

    --- Maximus/NT 3.01
    * Origin: Owl's Anchor (1:261/1466)
  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 18 00:51:14 2020
    On 09-17-20 16:53, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Demagogue Definition <=-


    things so much simpler, even telnet is pass*.

    Is there any daily activity in non-politics echos? I think we are the
    only people using Fido.

    Yes. You can take a look in the STATS echo for reports from various
    people. The FidoGazette also publishes a weekly report of traffic
    volumes.

    Fido should clean out all the dead echos and add a few new ones, to
    keep up with the times better.

    Dead echos are dead, and not a lot of bother -- but I agree with you.
    Question is, how to do that. As to adding new ones, anyone can do
    that. Problem is to get them advertised and to generate traffic.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


    ... Shipwrecked in Silver Spring, Maryland. 00:55:07, 18 Sep 2020
    ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30

    --- Maximus/NT 3.01
    * Origin: Owl's Anchor (1:261/1466)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Sep 18 09:58:33 2020
    Donald Trump was POTUS from 2017-2021.
    He will still be addressed after he leaves office as Mr. President.

    The liberal media calls him "Mr. Trump."

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Fri Sep 18 10:14:10 2020
    What countries do you suspect of acting as distribution specialists?

    Just China. I believe they are the distribution specialists who sent infected members of their government to other countries, such as Italy & USA, to dispense the virus.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Fri Sep 18 10:24:06 2020
    His politics from 1989 are similar to his politics today.

    https://youtu.be/Paf8MPhSG08

    Like Trump, I too would like to see the death penalty brought back to more states. We didn't have DNA in 1989, but now we do, and there's never been a better time to plug Old Sparky back in.

    I realize Trump was wrong to be so angry with those arrested for the crime back in 1989, because they turned out to be innocent, but I do share Trump's passion for justice for crime victims.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Fri Sep 18 10:39:49 2020
    stay in some stinky hospital!" But he actually killed over 6000 seniors with his selfish pandering vote-seeking agenda.

    That was a mistake, and Cuomo owned up to it. Once it was realized how vulnerable nursing homes were, the policy was reversed.

    How did he "own up to it?" He hasn't apologized to anyone. He's a gorilla with a bag of executive orders, and he flings them at people.

    The most conservative estimates are that before that happened the number
    of dead Americans would be in excess of two million, an order of
    magnitude more than it currently is.

    The mask mandate is optional per state, but you'd rather blame Trump than
    blame governors.

    Trump doesn't pencil-whip executive orders, unlike Andrew Cuomo. If we truly wanted a national mask mandate, congress could make a bill for that, but they seem very lazy lately.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Fri Sep 18 10:52:13 2020
    Yes. You can take a look in the STATS echo for reports from various people. The FidoGazette also publishes a weekly report of traffic

    Thanks, I'll check those out.

    Dead echos are dead, and not a lot of bother -- but I agree with you. Question is, how to do that. As to adding new ones, anyone can do
    that. Problem is to get them advertised and to generate traffic.

    I guess this is where the other networks become relevant. But they are all sorta played out too, like each one has a Mystic BBS echo, a General Messages echo, a BBS echo - they are all about as bad as Fido in that regard.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 18 11:32:34 2020
    On 18 Sep 20 10:24, Aaron Thomas said the following to Alan Ianson:

    Like Trump, I too would like to see the death penalty brought back to more states. We didn't have DNA in 1989, but now we do, and there's never been a better time to plug Old Sparky back in.

    Its not just having the death penalty, its having it actually work as
    a deterrent to crime. Eliminating the lengthly time and legal wranglings to executions would make it more effective like the way it works in Korea.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 18 11:35:51 2020
    On 18 Sep 20 10:52, Aaron Thomas said the following to Dale Shipp:

    I guess this is where the other networks become relevant. But they are all sorta played out too, like each one has a Mystic BBS echo, a General Messag echo, a BBS echo - they are all about as bad as Fido in that regard.

    Its kinda how it goes lately. Lots of test messages, some banter about Linux and tech stuff, then it kinda dies down. Then another new system or
    nostalgic Sysop joins the party. Lather, rince, repeat.

    I'm not really a Mystic or Synchronet fan but admire how both those programs at least keep the campfires burning.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Nick Andre on Fri Sep 18 21:53:59 2020
    Hello Nick,

    That's cool, and I didn't know fido was so open to new echos. But the
    futur AT> doesn't look bright for an echo when it's sitting in a bucket
    full of oldie AT> like ham radio, collecting stamps, etc.

    I created a masturbation echo but I was the only one contributing.

    So that is where that leak is coming from ...

    --Lee

    --
    Impossible is nothing

    --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
    * Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 18 21:54:09 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    things so much simpler, even telnet is pass*.
    Is there any daily activity
    in non-politics echos? I think we are the only people using Fido.

    There is a little bit of activity in the Fidonews echo.
    And some activity in one of the Cooking echoes. The JamNNTPd
    echo sometimes has some activity. Fidogazette echo is mostly
    just the newsletter, but does have some activity from time
    to time.

    Fido should clean out all the dead echos and add a few new ones, to keep up
    with the times better.

    Which ones are active, and which are not? How does a sysop
    make that determination?

    Look at it this way -

    Each sysop is master of his/her own board.
    He/she can carry whatever echoes of his/her own choice.
    Or not.
    There is no "official list of Fidonet echoes".
    Only echoes that have been created by individuals.
    Aside from the Fidonews.
    Which existed before Time Itself.

    I am master of my own creation.
    Steve Asher handed me the CONSPRCY echo.
    That makes me the "owner" of that echo.
    Sysops are free to list it on their system.
    Or not list it on their system.

    You might decide to create an echo of your own.
    Call it by whatever name you choose to give it.
    Let's call it MONSTER.
    Sysops are free to list it on their system.
    Or not to list it on their system.

    As "owner" of the MONSTER echo, you can
    place restrictions as to who can post, etc.
    But sysops are the masters of all, and get
    to choose if they want to list your echo.
    Or not.

    --Lee

    --
    We're Great In Bed

    --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
    * Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 18 21:54:42 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    The Absinthe House. In New Orleans. Only the good stuff is served
    in that place. Oh, that green liquid is sooooo good! Better than LSD!

    There's a BBS called Absinthe. Is that yours?

    Nope. The place in New Orleans serves the real stuff.
    Straight from France. Was not legal in the USA for decades.
    But those of us here knew where to get it ...

    Too bad the president doesn't drink. He doesn't smoke, either. Talk

    I know he's a weird guy, but his policies are what keep me happy.

    His brother Fred was an airplane pilot. He was alcoholic, and
    a chain smoker. Donald took it very hard when Fred died. Age 46.
    Donald was age 35 at the time.

    Nobody likes his misguided policies. Which is one of the main
    reasons why he will be shown the door come election day.

    --Lee

    --
    Make 7-Up Yours

    --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
    * Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Nick Andre on Fri Sep 18 14:59:37 2020
    Its not just having the death penalty, its having it actually work as
    a deterrent to crime. Eliminating the lengthly time and legal wranglings to executions would make it more effective like the way it works in Korea.

    You are totally right. Nobody fears the death penalty much the way things are now.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Sep 18 15:27:18 2020
    I am master of my own creation.
    Steve Asher handed me the CONSPRCY echo.
    That makes me the "owner" of that echo.
    Sysops are free to list it on their system.
    Or not list it on their system.

    What about the sysops who have abandoned their echo? There must be some of them. If there are sysops who don't even run their BBS anymore, it would make sense to me to delete their echo, but of course other sysops might feel different and still carry the oldies.

    I can go ahead & scan all the fido echos on this BBS, but there's just so many old messages that I could be replying to people who posted something a decade ago.

    The BBS itself is becoming an old man, and we should all trim those crazy eyebrows off our systems.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Sep 18 15:48:05 2020
    Nobody likes his misguided policies. Which is one of the main
    reasons why he will be shown the door come election day.

    What misguided policy?

    Joe Biden is a guy who abused his power as vice president to get his son a job. Trump has given his sons jobs, as president, without abusing any power. What does that tell you? It's never enough for Democrats.

    Why should Lori Loughlin go to prison? For abusing her wealth to empower her daughters? Joe Biden did that same thing with his power. Joe Biden should either be impeached for violating the oath of office, or he should be arrested for raping Tara Reade. His sentences can run concurrently for all I care. But your party chose a very lousy candidate. And if you get Biden, then congrats, but liberal policy will depend on executive orders from Biden, and too many
    of those are not going to go smoothly with my people. You can also forget about any legislation being passed, but I guess that's nothing new anyway.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 18 18:02:14 2020
    On 18 Sep 20 15:48, Aaron Thomas said the following to Lee Lofaso:

    Why should Lori Loughlin go to prison? For abusing her wealth to empower he daughters? Joe Biden did that same thing with his power. Joe Biden should

    She was hot as aunt Becky... very milfy.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 18 18:04:43 2020
    On 18 Sep 20 15:27, Aaron Thomas said the following to Lee Lofaso:

    What about the sysops who have abandoned their echo? There must be some of them. If there are sysops who don't even run their BBS anymore, it would ma sense to me to delete their echo, but of course other sysops might feel different and still carry the oldies.

    An echo really "can't" be deleted. Once its created on who-knows-how-many systems, its just there.

    The other problem is dead echoes that get monthly moderator posts for
    unknown inexplicable reasons other than wanting a beacon of light on what once-was; or having several Linux and BBS echoes when one would suffice nowadays etc.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 18 17:40:56 2020
    Like Trump, I too would like to see the death penalty brought back to more states. We didn't have DNA in 1989, but now we do, and there's never been a better time to plug Old Sparky back in.

    That has been debated over the years and there may be more debates when someone is convicted with evidence that is damming beyond refute.

    I realize Trump was wrong to be so angry with those arrested for the crime back in 1989, because they turned out to be innocent, but I do share Trump's passion for justice for crime victims.

    Indeed Trump has not/will not appologize for his error in judgement, ever.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757.2)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 19 03:55:19 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    Donald Trump was POTUS from 2017-2021.
    He will still be addressed after he leaves office as Mr. President.

    The liberal media calls him "Mr. Trump."

    Only the NYT. It's a tradition. Long-standing tradition.

    --Lee

    --
    Dieting doesn't work, Weight Watchers does

    --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
    * Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Nick Andre on Fri Sep 18 21:01:33 2020
    She was hot as aunt Becky... very milfy.

    Hell yea Aunt Becky is hot. I don't think she needs to go to prison. Why should a bunch of terrible people get to stare at her all day? She should be at home.

    She didn't hurt anybody either, except for maybe a few other spoiled rich kids who were rejected in favor of Aunt Becky's brats. Well, she didn't kill anybody at least.

    But how many people died at the hands of Joe Biden when he interfered with business in Ukraine? How many "sons of bitches" does a guy have to kill to get a job for his son? (his words, not mine!)

    Let Aunt Becky go, and lock up that rapist Joe Biden!

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Fri Sep 18 21:13:44 2020
    That has been debated over the years and there may be more debates when someone is convicted with evidence that is damming beyond refute.

    Debated where? In Canada? I bet that would help you guys out a bit.

    Indeed Trump has not/will not appologize for his error in judgement, ever.

    That's just a typical politician thing though. A candidate can not apologize for anything they've done. It's bad for business, in other words, you can't bring up negative things about yourself while you're in need of votes. Obama never apologized for all the harm he caused to the "black community" or to the working class. It's just something that politicians don't and can't do.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Sep 18 21:17:59 2020
    Only the NYT. It's a tradition. Long-standing tradition.

    Brooke Baldwin, Poppy Harlow, and plenty of other women who need xanax also call him Mr. Trump.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 18 20:01:48 2020
    Debated where? In Canada? I bet that would help you guys out a bit.

    No, we don't debate that anymore. The death penalty was eliminated in 1976 but before that 1481 people were sentenced to death in canada with half of those being executed.

    Indeed Trump has not/will not appologize for his error in judgement, ever.

    That's just a typical politician thing though. A candidate can not apologize for anything they've done. It's bad for business, in other words, you can't bring up negative things about yourself while you're in need of votes. Obama
    never apologized for all the harm he caused to the "black community" or to the
    working class. It's just something that politicians don't and can't do.

    Sure they do, if they are man enough to admit when they are wrong.

    Mitch McConnell was man enough to admit he was wrong about the Obama Administration leaving the cupboards bare WRT the pandemic plan that previous administrations had in place.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
    * Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757.2)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 18 23:11:47 2020
    On 18 Sep 20 21:01, Aaron Thomas said the following to Nick Andre:

    She was hot as aunt Becky... very milfy.

    Hell yea Aunt Becky is hot. I don't think she needs to go to prison. Why should a bunch of terrible people get to stare at her all day? She should b at home.

    She's likely gonna get the fistjob by some dyke in the joint. Which is a real shame... a real shame. Lori back in the day was jerkoffable. Even if her character on that show was fucking John Stamos.

    But then again, quoting Step Brothers, if you were a chick and there was only one guy on the planet to sleep with, who would it be? John Stamos.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Fri Sep 18 23:25:33 2020
    On 18 Sep 20 20:01:48, Alan Ianson said the following to Aaron Thomas:

    Debated where? In Canada? I bet that would help you guys out a bit.

    No, we don't debate that anymore. The death penalty was eliminated in 1976 before that 1481 people were sentenced to death in canada with half of thos being executed.

    We really don't have the need to have the death penalty here except for evil bastards like Bernardo or Rafferty or Russell Williams. I feel like we should have it but not really make a big deal that we have it or promote it. And
    as I mentioned, it should be handled the way South Korea does it. I do notice in a good way that no liberal or leftist nutjob is quick to defend them or their civil rights except for their obligatory cheeseball lawyers... which thankfully we don't have very much of.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 19 01:30:00 2020
    On 09-18-20 10:39, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-

    The most conservative estimates are that before that happened the number of dead Americans would be in excess of two million, an order of
    magnitude more than it currently is.

    The mask mandate is optional per state, but you'd rather blame Trump
    than blame governors.

    When Trump admitted how serious the threat of the virus was way back in January, he could have started talking to the nation and making
    recommendations supported by the scientists. Instead he chose to lie to
    the public, saying it was just the flu and it would soon go away. If he
    had made a national recommendation for masks and social distancing back
    in February/March we would not have 200,000 deaths and rising now.
    Instead he downplayed the recommendations for masks, etc. Had he just suggested serious national policy and guidelines, many more people would
    still be alive.

    A good example of his lack of support for good policy is his recent
    rallies where people were crowded indoors in close quarters, resulting
    in infections and death for some. When asked why he did not ask for
    mask wearing, etc. his response was "I was completely safe, well away
    from anyone else", making it very clear that he cares little for his
    followers and only cares about himself.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)




    ... Shipwrecked in Silver Spring, Maryland. 01:38:38, 19 Sep 2020
    ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30

    --- Maximus/NT 3.01
    * Origin: Owl's Anchor (1:261/1466)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sat Sep 19 10:12:14 2020
    Mitch McConnell was man enough to admit he was wrong about the Obama Administration leaving the cupboards bare WRT the pandemic plan that previo administrations had in place.

    I haven't heard about that story, but Mitch McConnell does seem like a pretty good guy.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Sat Sep 19 10:25:15 2020
    from anyone else", making it very clear that he cares little for his followers and only cares about himself.

    These things that you're saying about Trump, how he should have made recommendations, I think you're right that he should have and could have been a stronger leader from the start of the outbreak. He didn't really have much to say about it. He doesn't "act presidential" sometimes when he really should. But I don't blame him for any covid deaths. There was nothing the president could have done different except for be more demanding.

    A good example of his lack of support for good policy is his recent
    rallies where people were crowded indoors in close quarters, resulting

    That's his followers acting carelessly, but it's got nothing to do with Trump policy. I stand behind Trump's trade policies, immigration policies, and I stand behind Obama's seperation of adults & children policy, which Trump inherited. I'm also with Trump on abortion, defending our police, striking Russia inside Syria, and just about everything else.

    Trump is kind of a weird spoiled rich kid, and he's probably the type who would never cry about anything, as we've seen his lack of emotion. But when you put all those goofy and offensive characteristics aside, he's a pretty good president! He is ready to work with Democrats to help the American people, but these Democrats don't want "agreed with Trump on something" in their career-politician resumes.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 19 19:16:34 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    Only the NYT. It's a tradition. Long-standing tradition.

    Brooke Baldwin, Poppy Harlow, and plenty of other women who need xanax also
    call him Mr. Trump.

    I don't know what Madonna calls him, but I doubt she
    calls him Mr. Trump.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Alan Ianson on Sat Sep 19 19:17:04 2020
    Hello Alan,

    Debated where? In Canada? I bet that would help you guys out a bit.

    No, we don't debate that anymore. The death penalty was eliminated in 1976
    but before that 1481 people were sentenced to death in canada with half of those being executed.

    The US started executing folks again this year, using the same single
    drug used by veterinarians to put down animals. Worked like a charm.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Nick Andre on Sat Sep 19 19:17:22 2020
    Hello Nick,

    Debated where? In Canada? I bet that would help you guys out a bit.
    No, we don't debate that anymore. The death penalty was eliminated
    in 1976 AI> before that 1481 people were sentenced to death in canada with half of thos AI> being executed.

    We really don't have the need to have the death penalty here except for evil
    bastards like Bernardo or Rafferty or Russell Williams. I feel like we
    should
    have it but not really make a big deal that we have it or promote it. And as
    I mentioned, it should be handled the way South Korea does it. I do notice
    in a good way that no liberal or leftist nutjob is quick to defend them or
    their civil rights except for their obligatory cheeseball lawyers... which >thankfully we don't have very much of.

    There is no need for the death penalty anywhere in the world.
    Prisons are there to keep bad people locked up and society safe.
    I suggest Canada use its prison system better, than to allow
    bad people to roam free.

    --Lee

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 19 13:29:16 2020
    Mitch McConnell was man enough to admit he was wrong about the Obama
    Administration leaving the cupboards bare WRT the pandemic plan that previo >> administrations had in place.

    I haven't heard about that story, but Mitch McConnell does seem like a pretty good guy.

    Mitch McConnell is another Donald Trump enabler.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 19 13:43:18 2020
    That's his followers acting carelessly, but it's got nothing to do with Trump policy. I stand behind Trump's trade policies, immigration policies, and

    I stand behind Obama's seperation of adults & children policy, which Trump inherited.

    That was never an Obama policy. That was a Trump executive order that stared all that and when the order proved to be a bad idea he said it would stop but it never has.

    Trump also told immigration workers to do things at the border that were illegal and said he would pardon them if they got into legal hot water.

    It seems women in detention centers are being given hysterectomies and other procedures while in detention, without their knowledge.

    None of that is very American.

    I'm also with Trump on abortion, defending our police, striking
    Russia inside Syria, and just about everything else.

    Do your police need Trump's defense?

    Trump is kind of a weird spoiled rich kid, and he's probably the type who would never cry about anything, as we've seen his lack of emotion. But when you put all those goofy and offensive characteristics aside, he's a pretty good president! He is ready to work with Democrats to help the American people, but these Democrats don't want "agreed with Trump on something" in their career-politician resumes.

    Trump is a bigger plague than the coronavirus.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Sep 19 21:05:30 2020
    There is no need for the death penalty anywhere in the world.
    Prisons are there to keep bad people locked up and society safe.

    Sometimes prisons aren't there. Ask the crime victims. How many convicted murderers have been relieved of their life sentences due to covid-19? And how many have been relieved due to far-left prison reform?

    Imagine saying this to a crime victim:

    "The man who electrocuted your granny in a homemade electric chair is being relieved of his life-sentence due to the coronavirus. It would be inhumane to let him remain in a prison with such a high covid-19 infection rate. Just don't get close to him. If he tries to electricute you, just kick him in the balls as hard as you can."

    That would make me think my lawmakers need to go.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sat Sep 19 21:18:35 2020
    I stand behind Obama's seperation of adults & children policy, which Trump inherited.

    That was never an Obama policy. That was a Trump executive order that stare all that and when the order proved to be a bad idea he said it would stop b it never has.

    There was video footage of "children in cages at US detention centers" that was recorded during the Obama administration, and it was used in attack ads against Trump in 2016 mistakenly by black Jesus himself.

    It seems women in detention centers are being given hysterectomies and othe procedures while in detention, without their knowledge.

    Al, we got these weekly periodicals like "The Globe," "The
    Examiner," "The National Inquirer," "The Onion," and a few others. They are garbage stories, that only upstate NY moms read, as they pick them up near the checkout lane at the grocery store. They were good sellers in my area back around 1985.

    These literary masterpieces also keep us informed about stuff like Aliens landing in Harlem, doing acid with the Globetrotters, etc.

    They are sure to also keep you informed about forced hysterectomies on American women in jail.

    The media has gone rogue in the states, but it's gone mad worldwide.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 20 01:03:00 2020
    On 09-19-20 10:25, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    from anyone else", making it very clear that he cares little for his followers and only cares about himself.

    These things that you're saying about Trump, how he should have made recommendations, I think you're right that he should have and could
    have been a stronger leader from the start of the outbreak.

    That is exactly right -- and it is the reason that things are as bad as
    they are.

    He didn't really have much to say about it.

    ?? As President, he is supposed to be the leader of the nation. He
    sould have told the people that it might be bad. He sould have told the
    people about actions that they could take to mitigate the infections.
    Instead, he told the people that it was nothing. He told the people to
    ignore the recommended safety recommendations.

    He doesn't "act presidential"
    sometimes when he really should. But I don't blame him for any covid deaths. There was nothing the president could have done different
    except for be more demanding.

    Exactly -- he should have been more honest and demanding. For that he
    has the blame for many covid deaths that would have been avoided if he
    had told the people the correct information instead of his lies.

    A good example of his lack of support for good policy is his recent rallies where people were crowded indoors in close quarters, resulting

    That's his followers acting carelessly, but it's got nothing to do
    with Trump policy.

    DUH -- it has everything to do with his policies, discouraging mask
    wearing and proper social distances.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 19 23:25:36 2020
    I stand behind Obama's seperation of adults & children policy, which Trump >> inherited.

    That was never an Obama policy. That was a Trump executive order that stare >> all that and when the order proved to be a bad idea he said it would stop b >> it never has.

    There was video footage of "children in cages at US detention centers" that was recorded during the Obama administration, and it was used in attack ads against Trump in 2016 mistakenly by black Jesus himself.

    That is the usual conservative talking point. I am not talking about "children in cages at US detention centers" although you might want to work on that also.

    I am talking about Donald Trump's zero tolerance policy, one of his executive orders that separated families.

    From NBC news June 19,2018..

    The Trump administration separated 1,995 children from 1,940 adults from April 19 to May 31, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security said Friday, a period in which the "zero tolerance" policy was in effect.

    Today the number of children separated from their families exceeds 4,000.

    It seems women in detention centers are being given hysterectomies and othe >> procedures while in detention, without their knowledge.

    Al, we got these weekly periodicals like "The Globe," "The
    Examiner," "The National Inquirer," "The Onion," and a few others. They are
    garbage stories, that only upstate NY moms read, as they pick them up near the
    checkout lane at the grocery store. They were good sellers in my area back around 1985.

    Those periodicals might provide some entertainment value but I wouldn't bother with any of them.

    These literary masterpieces also keep us informed about stuff like Aliens landing in Harlem, doing acid with the Globetrotters, etc.

    Or tune into Fox News, I saw Tucker Carlson had someone on who had "proof" the chinese let the virus out of a lab, on purpose.

    They are sure to also keep you informed about forced hysterectomies on American women in jail.

    This is not a hidden story. It's new but the facts will come out.

    https://youtu.be/Xx24C3F0XEQ

    The media has gone rogue in the states, but it's gone mad worldwide.

    In today's world you have to sift through a lot of stuff but the truth is still out there.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Sun Sep 20 10:39:28 2020
    Exactly -- he should have been more honest and demanding. For that he
    has the blame for many covid deaths that would have been avoided if he
    had told the people the correct information instead of his lies.

    I don't think the president's advice is anything anyone really cares about when it comes to covid-19. Democrat supporters can't be expected to listen to him, and even Republican supporters should know better than to rely on the president to tell them how to protect their families.

    I'd ask a doctor all the questions, if I was feeling sick. If the president has a doctor telling him stuff about the virus, and the president doesn't listen to the doctor, then that's his problem. I get my medical advice from doctors and not from presidents.

    And when I was worried about getting nuked by NK, I didn't even cry to Obama, because I knew that he was no expert at fixing relations with other countries.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sun Sep 20 10:49:09 2020
    That was never an Obama policy. That was a Trump executive order that stare >> all that and when the order proved to be a bad idea he said it would stop b >> it never has.

    Whether it's an Obama policy or a Trump policy, I support it. When parents are incarcerated for any reason, the kids just aren't allowed to tag along with their parents in the jail cell. Kids deserve better, and lousy parents deserve worse.

    It seems women in detention centers are being given hysterectomies and othe >> procedures while in detention, without their knowledge.

    Thanks for that video link. I suspect that this is the last we ever hear about this story though. It doesn't seem very believable. We've got better things to spend money on than forced hysterectomies.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 20 15:58:34 2020
    Whether it's an Obama policy or a Trump policy, I support it.

    That was a Trump policy, an executive order. Obama doesn't come into it.

    When parents are incarcerated for any reason, the kids just aren't allowed to tag along with their parents in the jail cell. Kids deserve better, and
    lousy parents deserve worse.

    Not everyone that enters the US is a killer/rapist/dealer/thug that should be jailed or separated from their families.

    It seems women in detention centers are being given hysterectomies and othe >>> procedures while in detention, without their knowledge.

    Thanks for that video link. I suspect that this is the last we ever hear about this story though. It doesn't seem very believable. We've got better things to spend money on than forced hysterectomies.

    Indeed, there are a lot of hard to believe things happening in the US these days since Donald Trump was inaugurated.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Sun Sep 20 19:44:28 2020
    Not everyone that enters the US is a killer/rapist/dealer/thug that should jailed or separated from their families.

    In the US, we seperate children from their parents for smaller offenses than illegal border crossing. So to somehow allow illegal immigrants to take their children to jail with them is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of going on at the border.

    I got seperated from my kid just for being male in a Democrat's court. Permanent seperation from that child, not temporary like the immigrant scenario.

    People who want to sympathize for illegal immigrants can do so, but there are Americans suffering the same symptom. To make it fair, we need to let all the Americans take their kids to jail and/or prison with them.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 20 19:38:06 2020
    Not everyone that enters the US is a killer/rapist/dealer/thug that should >> jailed or separated from their families.

    In the US, we seperate children from their parents for smaller offenses than illegal border crossing.

    There is no illegal border crossing here.

    So to somehow allow illegal immigrants to take their children to jail with them is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of going on at the border.

    These are not illegal immigrants.

    I got seperated from my kid just for being male in a Democrat's court.

    A democrat court? Do you have democrat and republican courts?

    Permanent seperation from that child, not temporary like the immigrant scenario.

    I was separated from my mother in a similar (it sounds) way. Time and circumstance corrected that injustice.

    Not all of those separations were temporary. In many cases they don't know who or where the parents are so now there is no way to put those families back together.

    People who want to sympathize for illegal immigrants can do so,

    I have no sympathy for illegal immigrants.

    but there are Americans suffering the same symptom. To make it fair, we need to let all the Americans take their kids to jail and/or prison with them.

    <sigh>

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Sep 21 01:43:00 2020
    On 09-20-20 10:39, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    Exactly -- he should have been more honest and demanding. For that he
    has the blame for many covid deaths that would have been avoided if he
    had told the people the correct information instead of his lies.

    I don't think the president's advice is anything anyone really cares
    about when it comes to covid-19.

    That is very wrong. His core follows his lead in many ways.


    Democrat supporters can't be expected
    to listen to him, and even Republican supporters should know better
    than to rely on the president to tell them how to protect their
    families.

    They should know better -- but they do follow his lead.

    I'd ask a doctor all the questions, if I was feeling sick. If the

    The problem with that statement is that by the time you are feeling sick
    with Covid-19 you have probably spread the virus to a number other
    people unless you followed the protocols given by the public medical
    officials. Then they give it to others before they get sick, etc.

    president has a doctor telling him stuff about the virus, and the president doesn't listen to the doctor, then that's his problem. I get
    my medical advice from doctors and not from presidents.

    Then you should listen to the doctors who are tell you to wear a mask in public, to keep social distance, to wash hands, etc. Others are
    listening to Trump telling them not to bother with masks, distancing and
    the rest.

    And when I was worried about getting nuked by NK, I didn't even cry to Obama, because I knew that he was no expert at fixing relations with other countries.

    Very different. There was not much you could personally do about NK as
    an individual. In the case of Covid-19, your personal actions and those
    of the rest of the population have a large effect on the spread of the
    disease.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Sep 21 02:10:02 2020
    On 09-20-20 10:49, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Killer <=-

    Whether it's an Obama policy or a Trump policy, I support it. When
    parents are incarcerated for any reason, the kids just aren't allowed
    to tag along with their parents in the jail cell. Kids deserve better, and lousy parents deserve worse.

    Two things wrong with your statement. First, the parents should not
    have been incarcerated, and second is your assumption that they are
    lousy parents for trying to save their children's life.

    It seems women in detention centers are being given hysterectomies and othe
    procedures while in detention, without their knowledge.

    Thanks for that video link. I suspect that this is the last we ever
    hear about this story though. It doesn't seem very believable. We've
    got better things to spend money on than forced hysterectomies.

    It is believeable, but it is yet to be determined if it was more than
    just one doctor who was performing the operations because of his own
    sick reasons.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Mon Sep 21 09:35:47 2020
    I got seperated from my kid just for being male in a Democrat's court.

    A democrat court? Do you have democrat and republican courts?

    The judges are open about their party affiliation. I had a Democrat judge rule that it would be unliberal to let an American father ever see his child again. That same judge is probably out protesting against Trump seperation policy right now.

    These are not illegal immigrants.

    Of course, there's no such thing as illegal immigrants in the USA while Democrats act as their attorneys. But I'm an attorney for crime victims. (Not literally - but I'm in favor of them.)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Mon Sep 21 09:54:05 2020
    Then you should listen to the doctors who are tell you to wear a mask in public, to keep social distance, to wash hands, etc. Others are
    listening to Trump telling them not to bother with masks, distancing and the rest.

    I watch a lot of news, but I never heard Trump tell people not to wear masks
    or to not socially distance.

    He held some rallies. People went to the rallies without masks, and they sat right next to each other. But we don't have any laws against that. I went to the beach a month ago, and hardly anyone was wearing a mask there either.

    We have the freedom to take a chance with the coronavirus. The president can't actually close the border with Mexico or Canada, so he's not going to achieve 100% protection from infected foreigners. Americans are spoiled, and they're not going to stop going to Walmart. Sometimes we forget our masks at home, and when we get to the store, we will get testy about not being able to enter without the mask.

    I sense that Democrats want to pressure the president into taking authoritative actions to combat the virus, but some of this stuff is too much for Americans. Mask mandate? Try to force a mask onto a WWII veteran and seehow that goes. Self-quarrantine? Tell that to our illegal immigrant community. Social distancing? Tell that to the idiots who are hosting huge parties.

    Pressuring the president into making executive orders that sound like authoritarian orders, just so people can say "See? He really IS a dictator!" it's just not happening.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Mon Sep 21 10:01:27 2020
    Two things wrong with your statement. First, the parents should not
    have been incarcerated, and second is your assumption that they are
    lousy parents for trying to save their children's life.

    I have a biased view of illegal immigrants because of my past dealings with them. If I had been a northerner my whole life, I'd probably throw my country under the train for them too, just like the liberals do.

    But don't you think you're over-generalizing illegal immigrants by saying that they are only sneaking in so they can save the lives of their children?

    If there is some child-murdering policy in effect south of the border, wouldn't it be best for us to stay out of it? We don't rule the world. And if we let the violence spill over into the USA, what are we doing for our own children?

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Sep 21 13:02:18 2020
    On 21 Sep 20 10:01, Aaron Thomas said the following to Dale Shipp:

    But don't you think you're over-generalizing illegal immigrants by saying t they are only sneaking in so they can save the lives of their children?

    The leftist/liberal logic completely ignores that sneaking into another country is *illegal* and will result in *trouble* by the *authorities*.

    Talk about great parenting - Hey honey lets round up the kids and hop
    aboard a caravan on a route that is knowingly dangerous to do something knowingly illegal to knowingly receive a somewhat-harsh outcome if caught.
    All those silly Americans will do is give us something called a "court date".

    Illegal immigrants who play stupid games deserve stupid prizes, period.

    For every clueless moron that gets all offended about cages, unfair treatment, harsh punishments etc... ask them what happens when trying to sneak your
    way into North Korea, China, Russia, Iran, Syria, etc. Do you expect smiles, hugs and freebies? You are *lucky* to even be detained in those countries as you are usually shot, tortured, gangraped, or some variation of "The End".

    Nick

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Sep 21 16:26:34 2020
    The judges are open about their party affiliation. I had a Democrat judge rule that it would be unliberal to let an American father ever see his child again. That same judge is probably out protesting against Trump seperation policy right now.

    Courts/judges make rulings based on law, not something else (like politics).

    Of course, there's no such thing as illegal immigrants in the USA while Democrats act as their attorneys.

    There is such a thing as illegal immigrants. They are deported when found and could be jailed if convicted of crimes before being deported, just like anyone else.

    But I'm an attorney for crime victims. (Not literally - but I'm in favor of them.)

    I am also on the side of crime victims. Immigrants (legal or not) are not the monsters Donald Trump makes them out to be.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 22 00:36:00 2020
    On 09-21-20 09:54, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    Then you should listen to the doctors who are tell you to wear a mask in public, to keep social distance, to wash hands, etc. Others are
    listening to Trump telling them not to bother with masks, distancing and the rest.

    I watch a lot of news, but I never heard Trump tell people not to wear masks or to not socially distance.

    He has denigrated the wearing of masks on many occasions. Did you not
    listen?

    He held some rallies. People went to the rallies without masks, and
    they sat right next to each other. But we don't have any laws against that. I went to the beach a month ago, and hardly anyone was wearing a mask there either.

    It should not take laws for people to do the right thing.

    We have the freedom to take a chance with the coronavirus. The

    What you are ignoring with that statement is that it is not just you
    taking a chance. Such behavior puts all the people you come into
    contact with at risk, some of who are in more vulnerable categories.

    president can't actually close the border with Mexico or Canada, so
    he's not going to achieve 100% protection from infected foreigners.

    It is not the foreigners who are dangerous. It is your neighbors who
    allow themselves to be exposed to the virus without adequate
    protections.

    Americans are spoiled, and they're not going to stop going to Walmart. Sometimes we forget our masks at home, and when we get to the store, we will get testy about not being able to enter without the mask.

    Without a mask, you should not be allowed into the store. Get testy all
    you like, it should not work to do anything other than create a rucus.

    I sense that Democrats want to pressure the president into taking authoritative actions to combat the virus, but some of this stuff is
    too much for Americans. Mask mandate? Try to force a mask onto a WWII veteran and seehow that goes. Self-quarrantine? Tell that to our
    illegal immigrant community.

    Those few WWII veterans who are still around are in the high risk group.
    They should welcome having the people around them take appropriate
    precautions. The community of undocumented people are no different from
    the rest of us.

    Social distancing? Tell that to the
    idiots who are hosting huge parties.

    You called them what they are.

    Pressuring the president into making executive orders that sound like authoritarian orders, just so people can say "See? He really IS a dictator!" it's just not happening.

    He has not been shy about making executive orders. But, it would not
    take him issuing any order to have a positive effect. It would only
    take him publically supporting the things that the scientific community
    has said would be effective. The words and actions of a President carry
    great weight. If he would only support appropriate actions instead of denigrating them, things could get much better.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Nick Andre on Tue Sep 22 00:48:02 2020
    On 09-21-20 13:02, Nick Andre <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Killer <=-


    The leftist/liberal logic completely ignores that sneaking into
    another country is *illegal* and will result in *trouble* by the *authorities*.

    Except that the USA law grants them the right to seek asylum, and that
    is *NOT* an illegal act.

    For every clueless moron that gets all offended about cages, unfair treatment, harsh punishments etc... ask them what happens when trying
    to sneak your way into North Korea, China, Russia, Iran, Syria, etc. Do you expect smiles, hugs and freebies? You are *lucky* to even be
    detained in those countries as you are usually shot, tortured,
    gangraped, or some variation of "The End".

    Is that what you envision for the USA to become? I hope not.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 22 16:44:18 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    There is no need for the death penalty anywhere in the world.
    Prisons are there to keep bad people locked up and society safe.

    Sometimes prisons aren't there.

    Only in the most primitive of societies.

    Ask the crime victims.

    Why? They are not the ones in prison doing time for their crimes.

    How many convicted murderers have been relieved of their life sentences due
    to covid-19?

    Only those who have died.

    And how many have been relieved due to far-left prison reform?

    Again, only those who have died.

    Imagine saying this to a crime victim:

    "The man who electrocuted your granny in a homemade electric chair is being
    relieved of his life-sentence due to the coronavirus. It would be inhumane
    to let him remain in a prison with such a high covid-19 infection rate.
    Just don't get close to him. If he tries to electricute you, just kick him
    in the balls as hard as you can."

    Death takes us all. By allowing the convicted to remain in prison
    for the rest of his/hrt natural life, we take away the only means of
    escape he/she has from such a cruel fate. Now do you understand why
    those who seek to impose the death penalty are the ones who are out
    of their minds? It is liberals who are evil. Pure evil. Remember
    that.

    That would make me think my lawmakers need to go.

    It is activist judges who need to go. The US Constitution says
    there can be no "cruel and unusual" punishment. We must allow all
    those who have been convicted to serve their sentences as the
    lawmakers intended. Life in prison means life in prison. Nobody
    should give those prisoners a key.

    --Lee

    --
    Nobody Beats Our Meat

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Tue Sep 22 13:47:26 2020
    Courts/judges make rulings based on law, not something else (like politics)

    Family court judges do whatever they want.

    I am also on the side of crime victims. Immigrants (legal or not) are not t monsters Donald Trump makes them out to be.

    You should specify legal or not though, because Trump hasn't complained about legal immigrants. And you're right that illegal immigrants are not the monsters Trump makes them out to be; they are the monsters they make themselves out to be regardless of what Trump has to say about it.

    Not every illegal immigrant is necessarily intending or kill or otherwise hurt American citizens, but for the few who are, we need to put a foot in it, just like we try to do with naturalized criminals. Not show pictures of children in cages from the Obama era and say "Trump hurts immigrants." The other thing that Democrats need to put on their "Do Not Do List" is to stop calling illegal immigrants "migrants." They want to fool people into thinking that anyone not born in the USA has equal rights to be here; they don't. People
    with visas are very welcome, but no visa is no thanks.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Tue Sep 22 14:06:51 2020
    He has denigrated the wearing of masks on many occasions. Did you not listen?

    No, I don't take health advice from the Orange One. But if he has anything else to say, I'm all ears.

    What you are ignoring with that statement is that it is not just you
    taking a chance. Such behavior puts all the people you come into
    contact with at risk, some of who are in more vulnerable categories.

    Vulnerable people should stay home instead of going out to a Trump rally. Same goes with all of Biden's protesters. Biden has more employees at these protests than Trump has attendees at his rallies.

    We have the freedom to take a chance with the coronavirus. The

    What you are ignoring with that statement is that it is not just you
    taking a chance. Such behavior puts all the people you come into
    contact with at risk, some of who are in more vulnerable categories.

    The only way to take away our "freedom to take a chance with coronavirus" would be to take people to jail for not wearing masks. But how can that be an effective deterrent for non-maskers when we're letting everyone out of jail?

    It is not the foreigners who are dangerous. It is your neighbors who
    allow themselves to be exposed to the virus without adequate
    protections.

    Anyone desperate enough to enter the USA, infected or not, can still get here. There's nothing the president can do about it. The USA will never be one
    of the first countries to defeat coronavirus.

    A vaccine sounds great, but just like the non-maskers, there's the anti-vaxers. If we make it a crime not to vaccinate, same deal; people go to jail with the coronavirus, they get out in 24 hours, and they're back on the street still without the vaccine.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Tue Sep 22 14:08:14 2020
    Except that the USA law grants them the right to seek asylum, and that
    is *NOT* an illegal act.

    It's also not illegal to put them in jail for illegal immigration.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Sep 22 14:12:57 2020
    How many convicted murderers have been relieved of their life sentences du
    to covid-19?

    Only those who have died.

    This is what happens when you don't watch my news channels.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Tue Sep 22 16:25:58 2020
    On 22 Sep 20 00:48:02, Dale Shipp said the following to Nick Andre:

    For every clueless moron that gets all offended about cages, unfair treatment, harsh punishments etc... ask them what happens when trying to sneak your way into North Korea, China, Russia, Iran, Syria, etc. D you expect smiles, hugs and freebies? You are *lucky* to even be detained in those countries as you are usually shot, tortured, gangraped, or some variation of "The End".

    Is that what you envision for the USA to become? I hope not.

    Nope, and I'm confused where you would draw that illogical conclusion. America is one of the greatest countries in the world. If it wasn't, people wouldn't
    be trying to desperately sneak into it in search of a better life. What I'm saying is that those who are caught sneaking in should be lucky they get detained in the way they do or let off with warnings as opposed to other countries which take sadistic pleasure in making examples of outsiders.

    People do have brains in their heads... they should use them when being coerced into engaging into highly illegal stunts especially with innocent children involved. The vast majority of American and Canadian legal immigrants do infact use their brains and manage to settle here very successfully.

    Nick

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 23 02:08:24 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    I got seperated from my kid just for being male in a Democrat's court.
    A democrat court? Do you have democrat and republican courts?

    The judges are open about their party affiliation.

    The courts are not democrat or republican. The judicial branch
    is about interpreting the law, not making the law or enforcing the
    law.

    --Lee

    --
    It's not for women.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 23 02:08:33 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    Then you should listen to the doctors who are tell you to wear a mask in >DS>public, to keep social distance, to wash hands, etc. Others are >DS>listening to Trump telling them not to bother with masks, distancing and >DS>the rest.

    I watch a lot of news, but I never heard Trump tell people not to wear masks
    or to not socially distance.

    If an individual wants to commit suicide that is his/her own business.
    But I really would prefer they do so in private rather than in public.
    And not put others in danger of dying while in the process.

    --Lee

    --
    Why not enjoy the go?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Alan Ianson on Wed Sep 23 02:08:43 2020
    Hello Alan,

    The judges are open about their party affiliation. I had a Democrat judge >>rule that it would be unliberal to let an American father ever see his
    child
    again. That same judge is probably out protesting against Trump seperation >>policy right now.

    Courts/judges make rulings based on law, not something else (like politics).

    Gore v Bush in 2000. USSC gives GWB the nod by a 5-4 vote.

    What was their ruling based on?
    Well, not all valid votes cast were allowed to be counted.
    So the USSC said that was okay. The results would stand with
    GWB ahead and everybody would call it a day.

    A warehouse of paper votes was stored, and sealed, and never
    allowed to be examined. The news media estimates that Gore won
    the election in Florida by well over 50,000 votes. But due to
    the number of valid votes cast that were not allowed to be
    counted, none of that mattered.

    In any event, the USSC did not decide the election. Gore could
    have simply ignored the ruling. But he decided to concede the
    election after the USSC announced its vote. Why? "For the good
    of the country." That was his stated reason.

    At no time did Gore ever say he had lost the election.

    --Lee

    --
    The more you play with it the harder it gets

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Sep 22 20:35:49 2020
    The courts are not democrat or republican. The judicial branch
    is about interpreting the law, not making the law or enforcing the
    law.

    In NY & Pennsylvania, at least, the judges are open about their political party. If you elect a Democrat for judge, they will do liberal stuff like rule in favor of a woman over a man.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to All on Tue Sep 22 20:42:10 2020
    Party city is being sued for stocking their shelves with Robert E Lee costumes for kids.

    The claimants allege that "It's racist to sell Democrat stuff," and that the confederate costume is a symbol of racism.

    I disagree with the claimants on the 2nd part; Democrats aren't a symbol of racism, but they are a symbol of slavery.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 23 00:37:00 2020
    On 09-22-20 14:06, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    He has denigrated the wearing of masks on many occasions. Did you not listen?

    No, I don't take health advice from the Orange One. But if he has
    anything else to say, I'm all ears.

    Good for you -- but what about all of those who do follow his advice, explicitly or implicitly stated. The ones who turn up at his rallies
    without masks, crowding together and cheering at the top of their
    voices. That behavior is what causes spreading of the virus to others.

    What you are ignoring with that statement is that it is not just you taking a chance. Such behavior puts all the people you come into
    contact with at risk, some of who are in more vulnerable categories.

    Vulnerable people should stay home instead of going out to a Trump
    rally. Same goes with all of Biden's protesters. Biden has more
    employees at these protests than Trump has attendees at his rallies.

    Really, PUSU on that. I cannot see why any Biden supporter or employee
    could even stand being at his rallies.

    We have the freedom to take a chance with the coronavirus. The

    What you are ignoring with that statement is that it is not just you taking a chance. Such behavior puts all the people you come into
    contact with at risk, some of who are in more vulnerable categories.

    The only way to take away our "freedom to take a chance with
    coronavirus" would be to take people to jail for not wearing masks.

    It is not the only way to increase the actions of social distancing
    and/or mask wearing. If Trump had simply come out with statements
    encouraging those practicing back when he admitted to Woodward how
    serious the CoronaVirus was, then many people would have adopted those practices and we might not be in the mess we are now. Public
    truth-telling and persuading can go a long way to achieve a result.

    But how can that be an effective deterrent for non-maskers when we're letting everyone out of jail?

    Non sequitur.

    It is not the foreigners who are dangerous. It is your neighbors who allow themselves to be exposed to the virus without adequate
    protections.

    Your paragraph below does not respond to the statement.

    Anyone desperate enough to enter the USA, infected or not, can still
    get here. There's nothing the president can do about it. The USA will never be one of the first countries to defeat coronavirus.

    It may well be the last country to defeat coronavirus.

    A vaccine sounds great, but just like the non-maskers, there's the anti-vaxers. If we make it a crime not to vaccinate, same deal; people
    go to jail with the coronavirus, they get out in 24 hours, and they're back on the street still without the vaccine.

    There you go with a false premise again.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 23 00:49:02 2020
    On 09-22-20 14:08, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    Except that the USA law grants them the right to seek asylum, and that
    is *NOT* an illegal act.

    It's also not illegal to put them in jail for illegal immigration.

    Entering the USA without a visa is a misdemeanor, not normally the type
    of offense that results in jail -- especially before a trial.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 23 10:52:23 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    It is not the foreigners who are dangerous. It is your neighbors who >DS>allow themselves to be exposed to the virus without adequate >DS>protections.

    Anyone desperate enough to enter the USA, infected or not, can still get
    here. There's nothing the president can do about it. The USA will never be one of the first countries to defeat coronavirus.

    People arriving in the USA who are infected can be quarantined.
    Doesn't matter if they get here legally or illegally. They can, and
    should be, quarantined. That is a public health issue. The president
    can do a lot more than he is currently doing. We all know that.

    A vaccine sounds great, but just like the non-maskers, there's the
    anti-vaxers. If we make it a crime not to vaccinate, same deal; people go
    to jail with the coronavirus, they get out in 24 hours, and they're back on the street still without the vaccine.

    Knowingly infecting a person with AIDS is a criminal act.
    Knowingly infecting a person with COVID-19 is also a criminal act.
    In fact, doing so is considered as being an act of terrorism.

    Refusal to get inoculated is suicidal, so what is the point?
    How else would you be able to protect yourself, and others?
    Locking yourself up in a room and refusing to come out is not
    an answer. Same with others in your care. This is a public
    health crisis. And we all must do our part.

    --Lee

    --
    Show me what democracy looks like! / This is what demcracy looks like!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 23 10:52:29 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    Except that the USA law grants them the right to seek asylum, and that >DS>is *NOT* an illegal act.

    It's also not illegal to put them in jail for illegal immigration.

    They are detained, then sent back to wherever they came from.
    Not the same as being put in jail, as a first offense is only
    a misdemeanor.

    --Lee

    --
    Love trumps hate!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 23 10:53:38 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    How many convicted murderers have been relieved of their life sentences
    du
    to covid-19?
    Only those who have died.

    This is what happens when you don't watch my news channels.

    A sentence of life without parole means the only way one
    gets out is in a pine box.

    --Lee

    --
    There's no split in Cremo.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Sep 23 01:06:44 2020
    Gore v Bush in 2000. USSC gives GWB the nod by a 5-4 vote.

    I remember that. I often wonder if the electoral college is a good or bad thing.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Sep 23 07:20:47 2020
    On 23 Sep 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    The courts are not democrat or republican. The judicial branch
    is about interpreting the law, not making the law or enforcing the
    law.

    So U R OK with Trump's nomination?? Judges just interpret the law!!!

    IB Joe
    AKA Joe Schweier
    SysOp of Joe's BBS
    -=JoesBBS.com=-

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Wed Sep 23 11:37:24 2020
    Entering the USA without a visa is a misdemeanor, not normally the type
    of offense that results in jail -- especially before a trial.

    Usually when someone is accused of a misdemeanor, they are released with an appearance ticket because they're expected to show up for court. But
    why would anyone go to immigration court when it's more fun to just rape
    and murder an old couple, then take their car for a road trip to California or New York for a full pardon for all crimes committed along the bloody trail?

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Sep 23 11:41:24 2020
    People arriving in the USA who are infected can be quarantined.
    Doesn't matter if they get here legally or illegally. They can, and
    should be, quarantined. That is a public health issue. The president
    can do a lot more than he is currently doing. We all know that.

    You're hilarious! Illegals should quarantine when they get here. Right! They should also not rape & murder when they get here, but statistics show that illegals don't always do what they should.

    And they would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for them meddlin' presidents!

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Sep 23 11:42:52 2020
    How many convicted murderers have been relieved of their life sentenc
    du
    to covid-19?
    Only those who have died.

    This is what happens when you don't watch my news channels.

    A sentence of life without parole means the only way one
    gets out is in a pine box.

    You haven't heard about convicted murderers being released from prison due to covid-19 in California & Virginia? Or you haven't wanted to hear it? I'll admit - I didn't want to hear it either, but it's true.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 23 10:03:02 2020
    On 22 Sep 2020, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    Party city is being sued for stocking their shelves with Robert E Lee costumes for kids.

    The claimants allege that "It's racist to sell Democrat stuff," and that the confederate costume is a symbol of racism.

    I disagree with the claimants on the 2nd part; Democrats aren't a symbol of racism, but they are a symbol of slavery.


    Lets not get ahead of ourselves and think this through....

    Yes, the Democratic party was/is the party of slavery. Back in the day they used whips and chains where as today they use fear and other mental
    barriers... learned helplessness...

    If being the party of slavery, fighting a war to try to keep slavery isn't racist than I don't know what one would have to do to be racist....

    Democrats were the party that enabled Jim Crow laws.... The laws made to segregate and marginalized the blacks after the civil war... This was easily accomplished because all the politicians, police and judges were
    ex-confederate military....

    https://www.history.com/topics/early-20th-century-us/jim-crow-laws

    If being the party of Jim Crow laws doesn't make you a racist then I don't
    know what does...

    The KKK was founded by the Democratic Party... On the same page... link
    above history.com talks about the KKK...

    "During the Reconstruction era, local governments, as well as the national Democratic Party and President Andrew Johnson, thwarted efforts to help Black Americans move forward.

    Violence was on the rise, making danger a regular aspect of African American life. Black schools were vandalized and destroyed, and bands of violent white people attacked, tortured and lynched Black citizens in the night. Families were attacked and forced off their land all across the South.

    The most ruthless organization of the Jim Crow era, the Ku Klux Klan, was
    born in 1865 in Pulaski, Tennessee, as a private club for Confederate veterans."

    The KKK was later normalized into the US Government by the Democratic
    president Woodrow Wilson.

    History.com is quoted as saying this about
    Woodrow... "But Wilson was also a segregationist who wrote a history textbook praising the Confederacy and, in particular, the Ku Klux Klan. As president,
    he rolled back hard-fought economic progress for Black Americans, overseeing the segregation of multiple agencies of the federal government.".

    If attempting to normalize segregation and a hate group like the KKK as a
    party platform.... Then what is being a racist...

    What a minute... Didn't the Democrats pass the equal rights laws passed in
    the 60's... Yes there was a Democratic president in the office while they
    were passed... The laws were passed in part by the Republic party... voted
    90% in agreement to them... whereas the Democrats voted in favor ~60%...

    Moreover, it was an ex-KKK Democratic Senator Robert Byrd who tried to slow down/stop the process of these laws being passed by filibustering its/there passages...

    " *West Virginia's Democratic United States Senator Robert C. Byrd was a recruiter for the Klan while in his 20s and 30s, rising to the title of
    Kleagle and Exalted Cyclops of his local chapter. After leaving the group,
    Byrd spoke in favor of the Klan during his early political career. Though he claimed to have left the organization in 1943, Byrd wrote a letter in 1946 to the group's Imperial Wizard stating "The Klan is needed today as never
    before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia." Byrd defended the Klan in his 1958 U.S. Senate campaign when he was 41 years old."

    L.B.J, the Democratic President at the time use to call the civil rights bill as... "Then in 1957, Johnson would help get the nigger bill passed, known to most as the Civil Rights Act of 1957. With the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act"

    And of course we cannot forget this quote either... LBJ, a beer-swilling, blunt-speaking Texan, didn't shy from using what today we refer to as The N Word. One sentence often attributed to LBJ, which has gained great fame on the internet, is this: "I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for 200 years."

    Apparently LBJ set Joe Biden up... since Joe thought blacks were to vote Democratic for the next 200 years Joe assumed that blacks will vote for
    him... this explains Joe's words... If you don't vote for me you ain't
    black...

    Anyway, just saying... They may have a point about the Democrats being racist... I'm still on the fence though

    IB Joe
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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Wed Sep 23 10:23:48 2020
    On 23 Sep 2020, Alan Ianson said the following...

    Gore v Bush in 2000. USSC gives GWB the nod by a 5-4 vote.

    I remember that. I often wonder if the electoral college is a good or bad thing.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
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    R U serious... question... R U Canadian.... I'll touch on the Canadian thing latter... The founding fathers wanted the president to be the president of the United States and not just the president of New York and California. The electoral college forces presidents to visit and actually give a shit about what the other 48 States want and need.

    Hillary won the popular vote in 2016 but lost in a landslide with the
    electoral college... One of the reasons was that she never stopped at other states... she just flew from New York and California repeatedly fund raising and campaigning ... Her husband Bill even said she should stop and talk to the peasants and pretend that you care....

    She lost to a man who had no political experience... Trump made several stops and talked to the common folks... He said He loved his country... He loved it's citizens... and he'll spend every waken moment fighting for them... And that they'd be tired of winning...

    I said I'd loop back to Canada... Canada needs something like the electoral college, it has a popular vote... Reason being... most, if not all, elections are settled with only one or two Provinces... Ontario and sometimes Quebec ...

    As corrupt as Trudeau is... he'll stay in power, ad nauseam, because the residence of Ontario keep voting him in... they are drinking the Kool-Aid

    There... just saying

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to IB Joe on Wed Sep 23 13:05:10 2020
    R U serious... question...

    Completely.

    R U Canadian....

    I was born and raised in British Columbia. I am Canadian.

    The founding fathers wanted the president to be the president of the
    United States and not just the president of New York and California.

    Does the electoral college do that? Currenly you have a president of red states in spite of the red voters in blue states. Blue states are ridiculed as anarchist states that should/will be defunded.

    The electoral college forces presidents to visit and actually give a shit about what the other 48 States want and need.

    If that is so then the electoral college has failed. Donald Trump rarely visits blue states.

    Donald Trump will say anything but we all know what his words are worth.

    Hillary won the popular vote in 2016 but lost in a landslide with the electoral college...

    That's what I mean. How can someone win the election by a landslide, and yet the majority of voters did not vote for them?

    One of the reasons was that she never stopped at other states... she just flew from New York and California repeatedly fund raising and campaigning ... Her husband Bill even said she should stop and talk to the peasants and pretend that you care....

    I am not a fan of Hillary. I didn't watch the election or what she said/did.

    I do know that Hillary got 2.9 million more votes than Trump.

    She lost to a man who had no political experience... Trump made several stops and talked to the common folks... He said He loved his country... He loved it' citizens... and he'll spend every waken moment fighting for them... And that they'd be tired of winning...

    I said I'd loop back to Canada... Canada needs something like the electoral college, it has a popular vote... Reason being... most, if not all, elections are settled with only one or two Provinces... Ontario and sometimes Quebec

    No thank you. It's true the election in Canada is settled before the polls close in BC. I'm OK with that knowing that the will of the people will decide.

    As corrupt as Trudeau is... he'll stay in power, ad nauseam, because
    the residence of Ontario keep voting him in... they are drinking the Kool-Aid

    I hated (passionately) Pierre Trudeau but I am OK with Justin Trudeau. He will stay in power until the people say otherwise and they will want change at some point.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Ib Joe on Wed Sep 23 17:40:07 2020
    If being the party of slavery, fighting a war to try to keep slavery isn't racist than I don't know what one would have to do to be racist....

    You're right. I was just trying to make our liberal friends feel better about doing dirty deeds for the enslavement party. It's got to be hard to swallow a lot of that stuff.

    I don't get why liberals always downplay Biden's racial remarks. He's got the most racist comments that will ever go down in history, or he's at least 2nd only to LBJ. I commend Joe Biden for his failure to use the N word, although it sure seems like it's always on the tip of his tongue!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Alan Ianson on Wed Sep 23 17:52:29 2020
    I am not a fan of Hillary. I didn't watch the election or what she said/did

    How could you not be a fan of Hillary? She's the perfect Democrat.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 23 19:59:44 2020
    On 23 Sep 20 17:52, Aaron Thomas said the following to Alan Ianson:

    I am not a fan of Hillary. I didn't watch the election or what she said/did

    How could you not be a fan of Hillary? She's the perfect Democrat.

    Hillary was *exactly* like my mother-in-law, mother of my ex. Oh mannnnnnnn
    she was something else. You can judge a lot about a woman based on the relationship with her mother and in this case, it was two fucked up peas in
    one fucked up pod. She interfered constantly and caused SOOOO much shit it was surreal. Its disturbing. No wonder Billy banged everything else that moved.

    Nick

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Alan Ianson on Thu Sep 24 04:17:05 2020
    Hello Alan,

    Gore v Bush in 2000. USSC gives GWB the nod by a 5-4 vote.

    I remember that. I often wonder if the electoral college is a good or bad
    thing.

    First of all, the USSC decision did not decide the election.
    Gore could have ignored it, which he did. Gore was also under
    no obligation to concede. He decided to concede, citing his
    reason as "for the good of the country." No other reason was
    stated.

    The electoral college system is antiquated, and should have
    been discarded long ago. It is a relic from colonial times, which
    only a small handful of countries continue to use today.

    What we need is direct democracy. One person, one vote.
    That is how we elect everybody else. Why should the presidency
    be any different?

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to IB Joe on Thu Sep 24 04:17:28 2020
    Hello Joe,

    The courts are not democrat or republican. The judicial branch
    is about interpreting the law, not making the law or enforcing the
    law.

    So U R OK with Trump's nomination?? Judges just interpret the law!!!

    No. You don't understand. We are talking about a justice of the USSC.
    Not a mere judge. And you know what that means.

    The US Constitution lays out what the qualifications are -

    * be old enough to vote

    I meet that criteria in spades.

    I would feel much better if Trump nominates me. That way, I will
    get to interpret the law the way it is meant to be!

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 24 04:17:52 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    People arriving in the USA who are infected can be quarantined.
    Doesn't matter if they get here legally or illegally. They can, and >LL>should be, quarantined. That is a public health issue. The president >LL>can do a lot more than he is currently doing. We all know that.

    You're hilarious! Illegals should quarantine when they get here. Right! They
    should also not rape & murder when they get here, but statistics show that illegals don't always do what they should.

    They are tested for coronavirus. And also for communicable diseases.
    Not only to keep us safe, but also to keep all others who get here
    safe. You can just imagine how many folks would die if nobody was to
    be tested. It would be horrible. Too horribe to imagine.

    And they would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for them meddlin'
    presidents!

    Locking people up in cages, closely together, is a deadly combination. Especially given the fact that the coronavirus is so highly contagious.
    And to think, none of them are given a mask. Not those inside cages or
    outside cages. The least the president could do is give everybody a
    mask. In orange, to match the color of his hair.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 24 04:18:25 2020
    Hello Aaron,

    How many convicted murderers have been relieved of their life
    sentenc
    du
    to covid-19?
    Only those who have died.

    This is what happens when you don't watch my news channels.
    A sentence of life without parole means the only way one
    gets out is in a pine box.

    You haven't heard about convicted murderers being released from prison due
    to covid-19 in California & Virginia? Or you haven't wanted to hear it?
    I'll admit - I didn't want to hear it either, but it's true.

    None who have been sentenced to life with no parole.

    --Lee

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Alan Ianson on Wed Sep 23 20:31:48 2020
    On 23 Sep 2020, Alan Ianson said the following...

    R U serious... question...

    Completely.

    R U Canadian....

    I was born and raised in British Columbia. I am Canadian.


    I'm a citizen of both countries. Born and raised in Canada ... spent enough time in the US to become a citizen.


    The founding fathers wanted the president to be the president of the United States and not just the president of New York and California.

    Does the electoral college do that? Currenly you have a president of red states in spite of the red voters in blue states. Blue states are ridiculed as anarchist states that should/will be defunded.


    It may or may not... I guess if you were a liberal living in New York and you don't care what non-New Yorkers feel then I guess...

    Here's a map of Trump's election night by county... Looks like he won the country by ~80%.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/akD43PDuz97KwEB56

    an other nice one..
    https://images.app.goo.gl/EE92HCmmRoSdsBSf8

    Clearly it's not a minority of Red running majority of Blue .

    Among other reasons... during the time of the electoral college some of the smaller states... Like Montana... had a 2 or 3 day ride by horse to vote.
    Where as people in more populated areas just walked down the street.

    Since the founding of the US they have always been working on compromises. States that were more populated always wanted a popular vote where as states who weren't as populated didn't.

    As an aside, the current situation with the law makers... House & Senate.
    The house gives you a proportional amount of representatives based on population... This was the answer to the states wanting popular vote rule. They added the Senate in... 2 senators per state... equal representation for each state. To pass a law in the states The House will vote, then the Senate and then finally it's signed into Law by the President.

    Perfect compromise... The electoral college should be viewed in the same manner.

    The rules are the rules... they have been around for sometime now. The Democrats should find some persuasive arguments to win over middle America... but rather they sound like the sports team who looses all the time and they blame the rules and refs for their losses.

    The electoral college forces presidents to visit and actually give a shi about what the other 48 States want and need.

    If that is so then the electoral college has failed. Donald Trump rarely visits blue states.

    That's a lie... Trump constantly goes to goes into the Viper's den... all the time. He Talks to reports all the time, most hate him, he still shows up.
    He flipped several blue states because he went to them repeatedly... Michigan is one... and he was in Minnesota just the other day a state who's hasn't
    voted a Republican for over 40 years


    Donald Trump will say anything but we all know what his words are worth.


    Not sure that you're saying here... Trump has kept his word more than any
    other politician...


    Hillary won the popular vote in 2016 but lost in a landslide with the electoral college...

    That's what I mean. How can someone win the election by a landslide, and yet the majority of voters did not vote for them?

    Rules are the rules, they knew they were going into it. Knowing what they
    are ... and Hillary still did not stop at some states she needed to win the election. Bill Clinton told her she should... she chose not to. She assumed that the states Trump flipped to red were firmly in her corner... And I guess not, a tactical error on her part.


    One of the reasons was that she never stopped at other states... she jus flew from New York and California repeatedly fund raising and campaignin Her husband Bill even said she should stop and talk to the peasants and pretend that you care....

    I am not a fan of Hillary. I didn't watch the election or what she said/did.

    I do know that Hillary got 2.9 million more votes than Trump.

    Doesn't matter... In the US it's not a popular vote it's an electoral college vote. If you're running for president you should work your game with that in mind...

    :)
    Enjoy!!!

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/201 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 23 20:40:22 2020
    On 23 Sep 2020, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    If being the party of slavery, fighting a war to try to keep slavery i racist than I don't know what one would have to do to be racist....

    You're right. I was just trying to make our liberal friends feel better about doing dirty deeds for the enslavement party. It's got to be hard
    to swallow a lot of that stuff.

    I don't get why liberals always downplay Biden's racial remarks. He's
    got the most racist comments that will ever go down in history, or he's
    at least 2nd only to LBJ. I commend Joe Biden for his failure to use the
    N word, although it sure seems like it's always on the tip of his tongue!

    My answer to you was done for the same reasons.... to trigger some liberals.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Nick Andre on Wed Sep 23 23:58:29 2020
    one fucked up pod. She interfered constantly and caused SOOOO much shit it surreal. Its disturbing. No wonder Billy banged everything else that moved.

    I thought she wasn't bad looking in the 90s. Back then I didn't know how deranged she was either. I thought Bill was an idiot for taking Hillary for granted, but now it's sorta obvious that she is probably a pretty bad lay and pretty difficult to talk to.

    But if I was Bill, I swear I would have made stuff work with Monica. He's an idiot for taking her for granted!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Sep 24 00:07:07 2020
    What we need is direct democracy. One person, one vote.
    That is how we elect everybody else. Why should the presidency
    be any different?

    I bet there are Republicans who would vote with you on that. I'd use it as leverage - if libs want the e.c. removed, maybe we make a deal that in return, Democrats do something for us - something big.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Sep 24 00:14:48 2020
    They are tested for coronavirus. And also for communicable diseases.

    Who are you talking about? Illegals who were captured? What about the ones not caputured?

    And to think, none of them are given a mask. Not those inside cages or

    Incarcerated illegals don't get free masks? That sounds a little unfair to me, but when did the USA start offering free masks to illegals?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 24 02:03:00 2020
    On 09-23-20 11:37, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    Entering the USA without a visa is a misdemeanor, not normally the type
    of offense that results in jail -- especially before a trial.

    Usually when someone is accused of a misdemeanor, they are released
    with an appearance ticket because they're expected to show up for
    court.

    When that was the policy, a majority of them did show up. They are
    trying to achieve asylum according to the USA law.

    But why would anyone go to immigration court when it's more fun
    to just rape and murder an old couple, then take their car for a road trip to California or New York for a full pardon for all crimes
    committed along the bloody trail?

    That is a totally abhorrent and prejudicial characterization that
    wrongly paints an entire group of people with the actions of a few.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 24 01:23:14 2020
    I am not a fan of Hillary. I didn't watch the election or what she said/did

    How could you not be a fan of Hillary? She's the perfect Democrat.

    I would support her before Trump but I am no fan. Maybe I'm an olf fashioned guy, I dunno.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to IB Joe on Thu Sep 24 01:48:34 2020
    Among other reasons... during the time of the electoral college some of the smaller states... Like Montana... had a 2 or 3 day ride by horse to vote. Where as people in more populated areas just walked down the street.

    Yep, it was another time and place.

    Since the founding of the US they have always been working on compromises. States that were more populated always wanted a popular vote where as states who weren't as populated didn't.

    A NY vote doesn't have the same stuff as a MN vote?

    Currently there is a silent majority in the US.

    If that is so then the electoral college has failed. Donald Trump rarely
    visits blue states.

    That's a lie... Trump constantly goes to goes into the Viper's den... all the time.

    Look it up, Trump spends a lot of time with his base where he is comfortable in the adulation.

    Donald Trump will say anything but we all know what his words are worth.

    Not sure that you're saying here...

    I'm saying that Donald Trump is a liar.

    Trump has kept his word more than any other politician...

    Has Mexico paid for the wall yet?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Nick Andre on Thu Sep 24 15:30:12 2020
    Hello Nick,

    I am not a fan of Hillary. I didn't watch the election or what she
    said/did AT> AT> How could you not be a fan of Hillary? She's the perfect Democrat.

    Hillary was *exactly* like my mother-in-law, mother of my ex. Oh mannnnnnnn she was something else. You can judge a lot about a woman based on the relationship with her mother and in this case, it was two fucked up peas in one fucked up pod. She interfered constantly and caused SOOOO much shit it was surreal. Its disturbing. No wonder Billy banged everything else that moved.

    Who says she didn't let him? Who says he didn't let her? The two
    of them have been married for how long? They certainly must love each
    other. Much more so than others. So. You bang whoever you want. They
    will bang whoever they want. And everybody will be happy.

    --Lee

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 24 09:49:20 2020
    On 23 Sep 20 23:58, Aaron Thomas said the following to Nick Andre:

    one fucked up pod. She interfered constantly and caused SOOOO much shit it surreal. Its disturbing. No wonder Billy banged everything else that moved.

    I thought she wasn't bad looking in the 90s. Back then I didn't know how deranged she was either. I thought Bill was an idiot for taking Hillary for granted, but now it's sorta obvious that she is probably a pretty bad lay a pretty difficult to talk to.

    There's just something about her that screams "entitled bitch" and thankfully you guys in 2016 caught that and thats why she lost. Thats what I keep telling people who can't understand why Trump was voted in - The alternative would of been far, far worse. If anything, Trump is the giant middle finger to the entitled corrupt leftist establishment.

    But if I was Bill, I swear I would have made stuff work with Monica. He's a idiot for taking her for granted!

    He probably should've just admitted the whole thing rather than arguing semantics about cigars and blowjobs. And he REALLY hasn't aged well either.

    Nick

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Thu Sep 24 10:20:32 2020
    That is a totally abhorrent and prejudicial characterization that
    wrongly paints an entire group of people with the actions of a few.

    Ok, so not all of them are raping and murdering, but what's up with all the auto thefts? I bet they kick themselves when they steal cars that don't make it to the finish line (NY or California or Mexico.)

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 24 23:23:00 2020
    On 09-24-20 10:20, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    That is a totally abhorrent and prejudicial characterization that
    wrongly paints an entire group of people with the actions of a few.

    Ok, so not all of them are raping and murdering, but what's up with
    all the auto thefts? I bet they kick themselves when they steal cars
    that don't make it to the finish line (NY or California or Mexico.)

    Same response as before.

    What about all of them who work for you in the fields, providing you
    with fresh produce? Or those who do house work that no one else will
    do?

    You are making false generalizations from the few to the many.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Thu Sep 17 20:34:00 2020
    On 09-12-20, AARON THOMAS said to NICK ANDRE:


    moment". As in, whats the big problem. Now that you mention it, what is a AT>"wise-guy?" To me, a wise-guy is somebody who acts like they "know it AT>all." So then, is Biden saying "I was being a know-it-all?" That means he


    If you were from NY the term `wise guy' has a rather sinister meaning. `Wise guy' refered to a `made' member of the Mafia. An actual member who fit the nationality requirement and was a `made man'.


    Tagline;


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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to NICK ANDRE on Thu Sep 17 21:08:00 2020
    On 09-15-20, DALE SHIPP said to NICK ANDRE:

    On 09-14-20 12:16, Nick Andre <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Demagogue Definition <=-

    A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

    Exactly, and I'm not seeing any examples of Trump forcibly suppressing criticism since the AP, CBC, CTV, CNN, MSNBC and almost any other
    media outlet routinely runs negative stories about him. A fascist
    dictator would have NONE of that.


    He would supress them if he could, but he has no control over them.


    Another bald-faced lie from the left!


    OTOH, he is suppressing scientific information from federal agencys
    where he does have control


    And yet another one!


    If it weren't for lies....the lefties wouldn't have any words to spout at all!



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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to NICK ANDRE on Fri Sep 25 22:17:00 2020
    On 09-22-20, DALE SHIPP said to NICK ANDRE:

    On 09-21-20 13:02, Nick Andre <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Killer <=-


    The leftist/liberal logic completely ignores that sneaking into
    another country is *illegal* and will result in *trouble* by the *authorities*.


    Except that the USA law grants them the right to seek asylum, and that
    is *NOT* an illegal act.


    Shipp is conveniently ignoring a certain part of that `USA law'; They are required to seek `Asylum' in the first country they arrive in.


    In many many cases they are people coming up `through' Mexico, which is `the first country they come to'!


    For every clueless moron that gets all offended about cages, unfair treatment, harsh punishments etc... ask them what happens when trying
    to sneak your way into North Korea, China, Russia, Iran, Syria, etc. Do
    you expect smiles, hugs and freebies? You are *lucky* to even be
    detained in those countries as you are usually shot, tortured,
    gangraped, or some variation of "The End".


    Is that what you envision for the USA to become? I hope not.


    Typical of Shipp.



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Sat Sep 26 02:20:35 2020
    What about all of them who work for you in the fields, providing you
    with fresh produce? Or those who do house work that no one else will
    do?

    That's racist to say that you want illegals to come here and do menial tasks. The Trump administration wants to invite skilled immigrants with visas for positions that we can't fill. I like his plan better.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sat Sep 26 15:03:42 2020
    On 15 Sep 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 09-15-20 09:00, Ib Joe <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Demagogue Definition <=-

    His meddling with the DOJ and various investigations when he or his friends are under investigation.

    There is no evidence of this...none.

    Have you been asleep? Look at the way his friends (Stone and Flynn)
    have had their investigations and convictions altered by Trump and Barr.

    Have you been brainwashed by Rachel Maddow Area 51 conspiracy channel that is MSNBC?

    It was a setup for both of Stone and Flynn, specially for Flynn with being told oh, you won't need your lawyer... We who are the FBI just want to ask you (Flynn) some questions. What happened? The FBI got Flynn on a so called perjury charge because the FBI already knew the answers to the
    questions.

    Stone was arrested in the early morning hours and CNN just so happens to be there. Too Perfect even for Fake News. They were tipped off and wanted a
    grand spectacle arresting what they considered one of Trump's Men.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sat Sep 26 15:22:31 2020
    On 15 Sep 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 09-15-20 11:17, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Demagogue Definition <=-

    The media gives Trump too much credit for dictatorship. If you want t see a real dictator in the USA, who actually kills his own residents with executive orders, look no further than NY governor Andrew Cuomo a proud member of the radical Democrat party.

    How has Cuomo killed NY residents? His actions ended up with Covid
    pretty much under control.

    Sending people w/ covid into a Nursing home facility was just plain dumb.
    The control part comes when your dead, as your unlikely to move a muscle.


    If you want to look for who killed their own residents, you need look no further than Trump. He has admitted that he knew how deadly Covid-19
    was and how it was air spread. But instead of telling the American
    people that, he said "not to worry -- it will all blow over soon". Plus he actively denigrated the procedures which have proven effective in containing the spread -- namely social distancing, and wearing a mask.
    He just recently treated his most fervent fans to a high risk indoor crowded event with no masks. When asked about this, his response was something along the lines of "No worry, I was safely away from
    everyone". In other words, the only person he cared about protecting
    from being infected was Donald Trump.

    In the beginning days there was not a lot of information that was known so naturally the President would not want invoke panic, if he did that, you
    people would of pounced on him for doing so, and you your delusional friends would of made THAT a huge story where as; it would of been said that Trump is not qualified to lead or was not acting Presidential.

    Trump did the following:
    Travel was shutdown from China coming into the U.S. followed by travel being shutdown from Europe to U.S. this action alone saved many lives.
    There has been plenty of PPE gear as well ventilators that been produced. Pharmaceuticals have been proven useful, hundreds of make shift hospital were created in NYC but never used, and a massive Hospital was brought to New York Harbor as well as the port in the California harbor.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 27 00:58:04 2020
    On 09-26-20 02:20, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    What about all of them who work for you in the fields, providing you
    with fresh produce? Or those who do house work that no one else will
    do?

    That's racist to say that you want illegals to come here and do menial tasks. The Trump administration wants to invite skilled immigrants
    with visas for positions that we can't fill. I like his plan better.

    What is wrong with that statement is what Trump does, not what he says.
    He had worker visas denied for people to work in the crab picking,
    people who had come on visas every year during the season. In addition,
    his organization has hired undocumented immigrants.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to Dale Shipp on Sun Sep 27 10:16:53 2020
    That's racist to say that you want illegals to come here and do menial tasks. The Trump administration wants to invite skilled immigrants with visas for positions that we can't fill. I like his plan better.

    What is wrong with that statement is what Trump does, not what he says.
    He had worker visas denied for people to work in the crab picking,
    people who had come on visas every year during the season. In addition, his organization has hired undocumented immigrants.

    You're shifting the focus from your own racism to Trump's racism.

    It's like when you get caught speeding, and you try to tell the cop "Those other cars were speeding too!"

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Sep 28 00:20:02 2020
    On 09-27-20 10:16, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    That's racist to say that you want illegals to
    come here and do menial
    tasks. The Trump administration wants to invite skilled immigrants
    with visas for positions that we can't fill. I like his plan better.

    What is wrong with that statement is what Trump does, not what he says.
    He had worker visas denied for people to work in the crab picking,
    people who had come on visas every year during the season. In addition, his organization has hired undocumented immigrants.

    You're shifting the focus from your own racism to Trump's racism.

    No. I am pointing out the hypocrascy of Trump yelling about blocking
    "illegal" immigrants versus inviting skilled immigrants. All the while
    he has blocked immigrants on legitimate visas and hired undocumented immigrants.

    It's like when you get caught speeding, and you try to tell the cop
    "Those other cars were speeding too!"

    Nice try at pivoting -- but you miss the point. I am not the one who
    got caught in multiple lies -- Trump is.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Sat Oct 3 18:02:00 2020
    On 09-24-20, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

    On 09-24-20 10:20, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killer <=-


    That is a totally abhorrent and prejudicial characterization that
    wrongly paints an entire group of people with the actions of a few.

    Ok, so not all of them are raping and murdering, but what's up with
    all the auto thefts? I bet they kick themselves when they steal cars
    that don't make it to the finish line (NY or California or Mexico.)


    Same response as before.


    What about all of them who work for you in the fields, providing you
    with fresh produce?


    They come here and work the harvesting season and go back to Mexico, same as before.


    Or those who do house work that no one else will
    do?


    Many, if not most, of the people who can afford to hire people who do house work hire cleaning services who send people to do it.


    The people who HIRE their workers are responsible to see they are here legally and have the proper papers.


    You are making false generalizations from the few to the many.


    You lefties have one excuse after another. You've been predictable for
    decades!


    Tagline;


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Alan Ianson on Sun Feb 7 09:43:22 2021

    The chinese are no more responsible for coronavirus than the USA is responsible for H1N1.

    Alan, you're living in a dream world, of course the Chinese are directly responsible for Covid-19.

    From the pals at Google.com
    Question: Where did COVID-19 come from?

    Answer: An outbreak of pneumonia of unknown etiology in Wuhan City, Hubei Province, China was initially reported to WHO on December 31, 2019.
    Chinese authorities identified a novel coronavirus (i.e., SARS-CoV-2), which has now resulted in millions of confirmed human infections globally.

    No the United States is not responsible for what was known as H1N1 (swine flu) it was from Veracruz, Mexico

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Feb 7 16:27:48 2021
    Re: Re: Demagogue Definition
    By: Gregory Deyss to Alan Ianson on Sun Feb 07 2021 09:43 am

    Alan, you're living in a dream world, of course the Chinese are directly responsible for Covid-19.

    The dream is yours. Covid-19 was first found in Wuhan, we all know this. That does not make the Chinese directly responsible for it any more than Spain was responsible for the spanish flu.

    No the United States is not responsible for what was known as H1N1 (swine flu) it was from Veracruz, Mexico

    You are right, the US is not responsible for H1N1, just because it was first found and identified in the US.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Vague@1:3603/9999 to Alan Ianson on Sun Feb 7 19:51:00 2021
    Alan Ianson wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    Re: Re: Demagogue Definition
    By: Gregory Deyss to Alan Ianson on Sun Feb 07 2021 09:43 am

    Alan, you're living in a dream world, of course the Chinese are directly responsible for Covid-19.

    The dream is yours. Covid-19 was first found in Wuhan, we all know
    this. That does not make the Chinese directly responsible for it any
    more than Spain was responsible for the spanish flu.

    No the United States is not responsible for what was known as H1N1 (swine flu) it was from Veracruz, Mexico

    You are right, the US is not responsible for H1N1, just because it was first found and identified in the US.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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    Oh, GD. You're going to want to apply cold water the that burned area, kid.

    Like... an icebath.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Vague on Sun Feb 7 17:49:24 2021
    Re: Re: Demagogue Definition
    By: Vague to Alan Ianson on Sun Feb 07 2021 07:51 pm

    Oh, GD. You're going to want to apply cold water the that burned area, kid.

    What burned area, man?

    Don't be so vague!

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Alan Ianson on Mon Feb 8 20:42:36 2021
    On 07 Feb 2021, Alan Ianson said the following...

    396/45
    Re: Re: Demagogue Definition
    By: Gregory Deyss to Alan Ianson on Sun Feb 07 2021 09:43 am

    Alan, you're living in a dream world, of course the Chinese are direc responsible for Covid-19.

    The dream is yours. Covid-19 was first found in Wuhan, we all know this. That does not make the Chinese directly responsible for it any more than Spain was responsible for the spanish flu.

    The dream is mine... if this is true, why not ask Dr. Li Wenliang? Opps can't because he's dead at 34 years of age.
    He was the one who sounded early alarm w/covid-19.

    No the United States is not responsible for what was known as H1N1 (s flu) it was from Veracruz, Mexico

    You are right, the US is not responsible for H1N1, just because it was first found and identified in the US.

    Wrong H1N1 was discovered in Veracruz, Mexico.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Feb 8 19:44:40 2021
    Re: Re: Demagogue Definition
    By: Gregory Deyss to Alan Ianson on Mon Feb 08 2021 08:42 pm

    You are right, the US is not responsible for H1N1, just because it
    was first found and identified in the US.

    Wrong H1N1 was discovered in Veracruz, Mexico.

    You are right, today we know it originated there.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Alan Ianson on Mon Feb 8 07:05:57 2021
    Am 07 Feb 21 16:27:48 schrob Alan Ianson an Gregory Deyss zum Thema
    <Re: Demagogue Definition>

    That does not make the Chinese directly responsible for it any more than Spain was responsible for the spanish flu.

    The Spanish Flu most likely originated in Haskell County, Kansas. The Spanish were the only ones to research it, while everyone else was busy figthing WWI.



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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Gerhard Strangar on Tue Feb 9 17:26:35 2021
    Re: Re: Demagogue Definition
    By: Gerhard Strangar to Alan Ianson on Mon Feb 08 2021 07:05 am

    That does not make the Chinese directly responsible for it any more
    than Spain was responsible for the spanish flu.

    The Spanish Flu most likely originated in Haskell County, Kansas. The Spanish were the only ones to research it, while everyone else was busy figthing WWI.

    My understanding is that in those times Spain had a healthy free press and were publishing good and accurate stories regarding the pandemic.

    I don't know where the Spanish flu originates but it was not Spain.

    This idea that "the Chinese are directly responsible" for the coronavirus comes from places like the epoch times, it's fake news.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Alan Ianson on Tue Feb 9 18:06:50 2021
    Am 08 Feb 21 19:44:40 schrob Alan Ianson an Gregory Deyss zum Thema
    <Re: Demagogue Definition>

    You are right, the US is not responsible for H1N1, just because it
    was first found and identified in the US.
    Wrong H1N1 was discovered in Veracruz, Mexico.
    You are right, today we know it originated there.

    Are you talking about H1N1-09? Because the Spanish Flu was H1N1 as well.



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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Gerhard Strangar on Tue Feb 9 21:59:04 2021
    Re: Re: Demagogue Definition
    By: Gerhard Strangar to Alan Ianson on Tue Feb 09 2021 06:06 pm

    You are right, today we know it originated there.

    Are you talking about H1N1-09? Because the Spanish Flu was H1N1 as well.

    No, I am talking about the 2009 pandemic, Swine Flu I think it is referred to as and is also an H1N1 flu.

    I have little knowledge of the Spanish Flu.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Alan Ianson on Sat Feb 13 13:23:22 2021
    Hello Alan,

    That does not make the Chinese directly responsible for it any more >AI>>than Spain was responsible for the spanish flu.

    The Spanish Flu most likely originated in Haskell County, Kansas. The >GS>Spanish were the only ones to research it, while everyone else was busy >GS>figthing WWI.

    My understanding is that in those times Spain had a healthy free press and
    were publishing good and accurate stories regarding the pandemic.

    Nobody knows for certain where the Spanish Flu originated. The idea
    of the virus having originated in Kansas was due to US military having
    a base there where troops were trained to fight in Europe. But that is
    a very weak theory, as most troops were transported by ship rather than
    by air in those days.

    Over half of the world's population lives in SE Asia, from India,
    China, Indochina, Japan. On the other side of the ocean is the USA,
    with California being the home of many Asians, especially Chinese
    and others from SE Asia.

    I don't know where the Spanish flu originates but it was not Spain.

    It was introduced in Spain by soldiers who fought in WWI. And/or by
    those who cared for soldiers who were infected.

    This idea that "the Chinese are directly responsible" for the coronavirus
    comes from places like the epoch times, it's fake news.

    The novel coronavirus may have been latent for decades, with it
    suddenly transforming into a pandemic no country could stop. It is
    known that others had the virus before it was detected in Wuhan.
    Could easily have originated in Laos. Or Vietnam. Or India. Or a
    number of other places other than China.

    As for the epoch times, do keep in mind the writers of that online
    publication are very gifted, and could possibly be the best in the
    entire universe. So please do give them credit.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Alan Ianson on Sat Feb 13 13:23:28 2021
    Hello Alan,

    You are right, today we know it originated there.

    Are you talking about H1N1-09? Because the Spanish Flu was H1N1 as well.

    No, I am talking about the 2009 pandemic, Swine Flu I think it is referred
    to as and is also an H1N1 flu.

    I have little knowledge of the Spanish Flu.

    Are you really that old? The Spanish Flu happened in 1918.
    That would make you ... really old.
    Possibly the oldest sysop in Fidonet.

    "May you live long, and prosper." ~Mr Spock

    --Lee

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Feb 13 04:06:48 2021
    Re: Demagogue Definition
    By: Lee Lofaso to Alan Ianson on Sat Feb 13 2021 01:23 pm

    This idea that "the Chinese are directly responsible" for the
    coronavirus comes from places like the epoch times, it's fake news.

    As for the epoch times, do keep in mind the writers of that online publication are very gifted, and could possibly be the best in the
    entire universe. So please do give them credit.

    Yep, I gave them their due credit, it's right up above there.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Feb 13 04:09:23 2021
    Re: Demagogue Definition
    By: Lee Lofaso to Alan Ianson on Sat Feb 13 2021 01:23 pm

    I have little knowledge of the Spanish Flu.

    Are you really that old? The Spanish Flu happened in 1918.

    Yes, that is why I have little knowledge of it.

    That would make you ... really old.

    I have some years to go before retirement!

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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