Hello Everybody,

STOCK MARKET CRASHES WITH BIGGEST LOSS IN HISTORY!

DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE DOWN 2,013 POINTS (7.8%)!
S&P 500 PLUNGED 7.6%!
NASDAQ SANK 7.3%!

* The 30-stock benchmark dowon 2,158 points at its session low!
* The yield on the 10-year Treasury note dropped below 0.5% for
the first time ever! The 30-year rate breached 1%! At one point,
the 10-year rate had slid to 0.318%!

Yes, the world really is coming to an end.

The coronavirus came, oil prices tanked, and now the stock
market comes crashing down! And all The Orange One can think
of doing or saying is to blame the media and the oil price war
for the stock market collapse, while telling the American
people that lower gasoline prices are "good for the consumer."

Dr. Jonathon Smith of "Lost in Space" was right when he told
Will Robinson, "We are doomed."

--Lee

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On 10 Mar 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Everybody,

STOCK MARKET CRASHES WITH BIGGEST LOSS IN HISTORY!

DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE DOWN 2,013 POINTS (7.8%)!
S&P 500 PLUNGED 7.6%!
NASDAQ SANK 7.3%!

It's still higher then what it was while Obama was in office.
It will recover, the sky is not falling chicken little.
So keep your pants on.

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Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

Hello Everybody,

STOCK MARKET CRASHES WITH BIGGEST LOSS IN HISTORY!

DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE DOWN 2,013 POINTS (7.8%)!
S&P 500 PLUNGED 7.6%!
NASDAQ SANK 7.3%!

It's still higher then what it was while Obama was in office.
It will recover, the sky is not falling chicken little.
So keep your pants on.

Didn't I hear that the market had its largest one day growth in history just a few days ago?

Interesting that the Lefties are always quick to point out anything that matches their Narrative.
And just as quick to ignore anything that goes against their Narrative.


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On 10 Mar 2020, Ron Lauzon said the following...

Didn't I hear that the market had its largest one day growth in history just a few days ago?

Yes you did hear right. What a miserable existence it must be to be a
democrat.
For all of the spin that is created by the the media (fake news) that
is cranked out and all of the hearings that are dreamed up in democratic committees, none of it meets their objective. In fact it has the opposite effect, as it shows the people that this President is working for the American people and that Donald Trump is their greatest champion and will be re-elected in a landslide.

I can not wait until the Presidential debates it might be Crazy Bernie but it is looking like it may be likely to be Sleepy Joe Biden.
(Does not matter who the nominee is Trump will smoke whoever it is.)

Did you hear just yesterday 03/09 he told a worker at a automotive plan that
he was "Full of Shit" when he was responding to a question on gun rights.

Did you also hear they are limiting his speak time to no more then 15 to 20 minutes. So that he won't trip over his own words or worse say something that when looked at will raise an eyebrow.

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On 03-11-20 07:06, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Ron Lauzon about Re: Biggest Crash Ever! <=-

Didn't I hear that the market had its largest one day growth in history just a few days ago?

Yes you did hear right.

While that may well be true, it was a one day correction to the massive
drop the stock market had in the preceding days. After that it
continued its downward plunge. As of today (3/11/2020), it is down 20%
from its high on 2/12/2020. Whether of not it has hit bottom or not is
yet to be seen. Funny that we no longer seem to hear Trump using the
market index as evidence of how great he is doing. The truth is that
the market follows its on path and politics have limited effect on it.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)



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On 12 Mar 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 03-11-20 07:06, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Ron Lauzon about Re: Biggest Crash Ever! <=-

Didn't I hear that the market had its largest one day growth in histo just a few days ago?

Yes you did hear right.

While that may well be true, it was a one day correction to the massive drop the stock market had in the preceding days. After that it
continued its downward plunge. As of today (3/11/2020), it is down 20% from its high on 2/12/2020. Whether of not it has hit bottom or not is yet to be seen. Funny that we no longer seem to hear Trump using the market index as evidence of how great he is doing. The truth is that
the market follows its on path and politics have limited effect on it.

What the real punchline is, that you won't admit or give credit to Trump.
The stock market has hit numbers that have smashed previous records on numerous occasions and it is still higher than at any time while Obama was President.

This is the difference between a community organizer and a Business Man.

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Hello Greg,

STOCK MARKET CRASHES WITH BIGGEST LOSS IN HISTORY!

DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE DOWN 2,013 POINTS (7.8%)!
S&P 500 PLUNGED 7.6%!
NASDAQ SANK 7.3%!

It's still higher then what it was while Obama was in office.
It will recover, the sky is not falling chicken little.
So keep your pants on.

Dow Jones average plunged another 1464 points.
Definitely a bear market.

--Lee

Congressional doctor predicts 70-150 million U.S. coronavirus cases

Source: Axios

Congress' in-house doctor told Capitol Hill staffers at a close-door
meeting this week that he expects 70-150 million people in the U.S. —
roughly a third of the country — to contract the coronavirus, two
sources briefed on the meeting tell Axios.

Why it matters: That estimate, which is in line with other projections
from health experts, underscores the potential seriousness of this
outbreak even as the White House has been downplaying its severity in
an attempt to keep public panic at bay.

Dr. Brian Monahan, the attending physician of the U.S. Congress, told
Senate chiefs of staff, staff directors, administrative managers and
chief clerks from both parties on Tuesday that they should prepare for
the worst, and offered advice on how to remain healthy.

Read more:

https://www.axios.com/congressional-physician-predicts-75-150-million- us-coronavirus-cases-fec69e77-1515-4fbc-8340-c53b65c22c53.html

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On 12 Mar 2020 at 06:56a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

What the real punchline is, that you won't admit or give credit to Trump.

There's nothing to give that numbskull credit for.
He's flubbed everything he was handed so far, and
is failing miserably with the 2019-nCoV pandemic.

The stock market has hit numbers that have smashed previous records on numerous occasions and it is still higher than at any time while Obama
was President.

So what? Anyone who knows anything about economics
knows that that's not a good indicator for how the
economy as a whole is doing.

This is the difference between a community organizer and a Business Man.

The guy's bankrupted everything he's ever touched.
He's a fool with no skills, no intellectual curiosity,
no empathy or care for anyone that isn't himself.

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Do you know how ridiculous this makes you look?

Son, you're a damned disgrace.

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On 12 Mar 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

STOCK MARKET CRASHES WITH BIGGEST LOSS IN HISTORY!
DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE DOWN 2,013 POINTS (7.8%)!
S&P 500 PLUNGED 7.6%!
NASDAQ SANK 7.3%!

It's still higher then what it was while Obama was in office.
It will recover, the sky is not falling chicken little.
So keep your pants on.

Dow Jones average plunged another 1464 points.
Definitely a bear market.

It is still higher than at any point in the Obama Administration.

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On 13 Mar 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

On 12 Mar 2020 at 06:56a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

What the real punchline is, that you won't admit or give credit to Tr

There's nothing to give that numbskull credit for.
He's flubbed everything he was handed so far, and
is failing miserably with the 2019-nCoV pandemic.

I see what is happening with the left's attempt politicize this and I also understand as to why this is being attempted. I can also make the prediction based on all previous attempts made by will not work and therefore will fail. Just as the previous Democratic attempts have.

Do they have a Wal*Mart near you? If so great, (the day after the American election) when you turn on the telly you will see what I am talking about and then you can rush out and get your hot chocolate and crayons at a great
price.

The stock market has hit numbers that have smashed previous records on numerous occasions and it is still higher than at any time while Obama was President.

So what? Anyone who knows anything about economics
knows that that's not a good indicator for how the
economy as a whole is doing.

So what? This is what you have to say? It's obvious that you do not understand economics as there many factors at work here.

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Do you know how ridiculous this makes you look?

Given your attitude and how you see the world w/ an left slant.
Why should I give a rats ass? What you think.

By the way I do not.

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On 12 Mar 2020 at 05:56p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

I see what is happening with the left's attempt politicize this and I
also understand as to why this is being attempted. I can also make the

No, you don't, because that's not happening. You're too
deluded by the garbage you consume from the likes of
Limbaugh and Fox to recognize it, though.

prediction based on all previous attempts made by will not work and prediction based on all previous attempts made by will not work and therefore will fail. Just as the previous Democratic attempts have.

You live in the same fantasy world that Donald Trump
lives in; you think life is a John Wayne movie. It's
not.

Do they have a Wal*Mart near you? If so great, (the day after the

Thankfully no.

American election) when you turn on the telly you will see what I am talking about and then you can rush out and get your hot chocolate and crayons at a great price.

What the hell does that even mean?

So what? This is what you have to say? It's obvious that you do not understand economics as there many factors at work here.

Yes, that's what I have to say. Oh, you think the market
closing high MEANS something? Please, by all means,
enlighten me as to exactly what economists share that view?

Given your attitude and how you see the world w/ an left slant.
Why should I give a rats ass? What you think.

Because it's people like me who, day in and day out, save
idiots like you from yourselves. Just do us a favor and
don't make it so goddamn hard all the time? Start by not
being such a moral coward.

Your inept emperor isn't wearing any clothes, by the way.
The idiot won't be able to con his way out of this one.

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Hello Dale,

Didn't I hear that the market had its largest one day growth in history >RL>just a few days ago?

Yes you did hear right.

While that may well be true, it was a one day correction to the massive
drop the stock market had in the preceding days. After that it
continued its downward plunge. As of today (3/11/2020), it is down 20%
from its high on 2/12/2020. Whether of not it has hit bottom or not is
yet to be seen. Funny that we no longer seem to hear Trump using the
market index as evidence of how great he is doing. The truth is that
the market follows its on path and politics have limited effect on it.

It is infected by the novel coronavirus and may soon die of COVID-19.

--Lee

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On 13 Mar 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

On 12 Mar 2020 at 05:56p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

I see what is happening with the left's attempt politicize this and I also understand as to why this is being attempted. I can also make th

No, you don't, because that's not happening. You're too
deluded by the garbage you consume from the likes of
Limbaugh and Fox to recognize it, though.

I think you might be frustrated with the common sense and the push back that the left has received from Limbaugh and Fox News as well as others. As the theories of the left and their attempt at logic is thrashed. Time and time again.

prediction based on all previous attempts made by will not work and prediction based on all previous attempts made by will not work and therefore will fail. Just as the previous Democratic attempts have.

You live in the same fantasy world that Donald Trump
lives in; you think life is a John Wayne movie. It's not.

I could list the many accomplishments of Trump as President, but you wouldn't be interested in any of that, because you live in the delusional world of the left. Your seething hatred blinds you; it also keeps your judgment clouded.

Do they have a Wal*Mart near you?

Thankfully no.

American election) when you turn on the telly you will see what I am talking about and then you can rush out and get your hot chocolate an crayons at a great price.

What the hell does that even mean?

You mean to suggest you were unaware of the aftermath and the meltdown that occurred at liberal institutions of education, across the USA. The crying jags and the torment in accepting what just happened. It was Hot Chocolate coloring books and crayons that were supplied to help these grown ass adults cope with the fact that their candidate lost.

It's going to happen again, just thought that you should be prepared for what will happen AGAIN in November of 2020.

So what? This is what you have to say? It's obvious that you do not

understand economics as there many factors at work here.

Yes, that's what I have to say. Oh, you think the market

closing high MEANS something? Please, by all means,
enlighten me as to exactly what economists share that view?

What would be your point, when you have made up your mind or to put it more accurately convinced by the minds of others.

Given your attitude and how you see the world w/ an left slant.
Why should I give a rats ass? What you think.

Because it's people like me who, day in and day out, save
idiots like you from yourselves. Just do us a favor and
don't make it so goddamn hard all the time? Start by not
being such a moral coward.

Your efforts will remain insufficient, I don't and never did buy in the
liberal spin or to the alternatives that are of delusional nature.

Your inept emperor isn't wearing any clothes, by the way.
The idiot won't be able to con his way out of this one.

What are you proclaiming now, that he has allegedly done?

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On 13 Mar 2020 at 12:09p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

[right-wing garbage deleted]

What are you proclaiming now, that he has allegedly done?

You haven't figured it out yet? Let me guess: you
actually think he's done a good job handling the
coronavirus outbreak, right? Didn't Limbaugh call
it the common cold? Trump tweeted that it wasn't
a big deal _less than a week ago_.

You're a fool with no morals and no principals.

Tell me, why do you hate America and the Constitution
so much?

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On 03-13-20, DAN CROSS said to GREGORY DEYSS:

On 12 Mar 2020 at 06:56a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

What the real punchline is, that you won't admit or give credit to Trump.

There's nothing to give that numbskull credit for.
He's flubbed everything he was handed so far, and
is failing miserably with the 2019-nCoV pandemic.

The guy's bankrupted everything he's ever touched.
He's a fool with no skills, no intellectual curiosity,
no empathy or care for anyone that isn't himself.

I love the way Trump has a talent for setting lefties off on a raving fit!


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Hello Dan,

I see what is happening with the left's attempt politicize this and I >GD>also understand as to why this is being attempted. I can also make the

No, you don't, because that's not happening. You're too
deluded by the garbage you consume from the likes of
Limbaugh and Fox to recognize it, though.

Rush Limbaugh received a medal for his efforts.
Sean Hannity deserves one, too.

prediction based on all previous attempts made by will not work and >GD>prediction based on all previous attempts made by will not work and >GD>therefore will fail. Just as the previous Democratic attempts have.

You live in the same fantasy world that Donald Trump
lives in; you think life is a John Wayne movie. It's
not.

Donald Trump never got tested for the coronavirus. So he does
not have the coronavirus. Even though many of the people he has
met in the past few days have tested positive for the coronavirus.
His idiot children, such as Ivanka Trump, never got tested for the
coronavirus. So she does not have the coronavirus. Even though
some of the people she has met in the past few days have tested
positive for the coronavirus. See how that works? All we have
to do to get rid of the coronavirus is not get tested. And then,
like a miracle, it will all disappear.

Do they have a Wal*Mart near you? If so great, (the day after the

Thankfully no.

We may all have to start tending our own gardens ...

American election) when you turn on the telly you will see what I am >GD>talking about and then you can rush out and get your hot chocolate and >GD>crayons at a great price.

What the hell does that even mean?

The president declared a national emergency. You do realize
what this means. If not, allow me to briefly explain what else
happened today -

The state of Louisiana postponed its presidential primaries. This is
a harbinger of things to come. As the coronavirus progresses, it will
become obvious to all, and most especially the incumbent president,
that the presidential election in November will have to be postponed indefinitely ...

So what? This is what you have to say? It's obvious that you do not >GD>understand economics as there many factors at work here.

Yes, that's what I have to say. Oh, you think the market
closing high MEANS something? Please, by all means,
enlighten me as to exactly what economists share that view?

What goes up must come down ...

Given your attitude and how you see the world w/ an left slant.
Why should I give a rats ass? What you think.

Because it's people like me who, day in and day out, save
idiots like you from yourselves. Just do us a favor and
don't make it so goddamn hard all the time? Start by not
being such a moral coward.

The only moral coward I have ever heard about was Dorothy's best
friend Cowardly Lion in the Wizard of Oz. But I had always thought
that was fiction rather than reality.

Your inept emperor isn't wearing any clothes, by the way.
The idiot won't be able to con his way out of this one.

"No, I don't take responsibility at all." ~Donald Trump, 3/13/2020

--Lee

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On 14 Mar 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

On 13 Mar 2020 at 12:09p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

[right-wing garbage deleted]

Which is why I did not waste my time providing facts that you would simply dismiss or take out of context.

What are you proclaiming now, that he has allegedly done?

You haven't figured it out yet? Let me guess: you
actually think he's done a good job handling the
coronavirus outbreak, right?

The corona virus will pass, it has been sensationalized, politicized and
some with the leftist media have used the fear as a weapon.
Calling it Trump's Virus as well as referring to this as Trump's Katrina..

Look up what Limbaugh said..

Tell me, why do you hate America and the Constitution so much?

Your question makes no since, because you have it ass backwards.
I do not consider myself to be a Republican, but a Conservative.
As such I love America and adore the U.S. Constitution.

As I'm sure if you speak to other Trump Supporters if your in the United States you will get to hear the same things.

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On 13 Mar 2020, TIM RICHARDSON said the following...

On 03-13-20, DAN CROSS said to GREGORY DEYSS:

On 12 Mar 2020 at 06:56a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

What the real punchline is, that you won't admit or give credit to Tru

There's nothing to give that numbskull credit for.
He's flubbed everything he was handed so far, and
is failing miserably with the 2019-nCoV pandemic.

The guy's bankrupted everything he's ever touched.
He's a fool with no skills, no intellectual curiosity,
no empathy or care for anyone that isn't himself.

I love the way Trump has a talent for setting lefties off on a raving
fit!

I know, but perhaps he will be better prepared now that I have informed what was utilized to calm the outrage in 2016.

Rendering a quieting, comforting silence as the liberal college students grip their crayons with renewed determination; as they do their best to stay within the lines.

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Hello Tim,

What the real punchline is, that you won't admit or give credit to Trump.

There's nothing to give that numbskull credit for.
He's flubbed everything he was handed so far, and
is failing miserably with the 2019-nCoV pandemic.

The guy's bankrupted everything he's ever touched.
He's a fool with no skills, no intellectual curiosity,
no empathy or care for anyone that isn't himself.

I love the way Trump has a talent for setting lefties off on a raving fit!

Fuck the election, put Biden in charge now.

--Lee

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On 13 Mar 2020 at 03:38p, TIM RICHARDSON pondered and said...

I love the way Trump has a talent for setting lefties off on a raving
fit!

Why do you hate America so much?

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On 14 Mar 2020 at 05:12a, Lee Lofaso pondered and said...

"No, I don't take responsibility at all." ~Donald Trump, 3/13/2020

It was hilarious to watch all the Pharma execs
run away as he tried to shake their hands at the
"Dear Leader" press conference yesterday. Talk
about leading from the front! What an example!

I thought Pence would pop his eyes out of his
sockets if he tried to stick his nose any further
up Trump's ass.

The right-wingers can't con their way of the
mess this time. It's almost funny to watch them
try; I guess they still think that it's just the
common cold like Regan and Limbaugh think.

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On 14 Mar 2020 at 08:49a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

Which is why I did not waste my time providing facts that you would
simply dismiss or take out of context.

Translation: "I have no facts, because I'm a right-wing
idiot and we don't do facts."

You haven't figured it out yet? Let me guess: you
actually think he's done a good job handling the
coronavirus outbreak, right?

The corona virus will pass, it has been sensationalized, politicized and some with the leftist media have used the fear as a weapon.
Calling it Trump's Virus as well as referring to this as Trump's
Katrina..

If it's just being over-sensationalized, why did the
president declare a national state of emergency yesterday?
Why is he getting tested?

Trump owns our utter FAILURE to address this in a
timely manner. Like the idiot he is, he thought he
could just build a wall (put in travel restrictions
from China) and that would be good enough to stop
it. Now, we're _exactly_ where Italy was 7 days ago
in terms of the number of cases, except we don't know
how many cases there really are because the idiot
didn't start testing aggressively until now. Why?
Because he didn't want to know the numbers because
they would make him look bad.

He was all about praising himself about tests yesterday.
Well, where are they?

Look up what Limbaugh said..

"It's the common cold." Really smart from a guy with
stage 4 lung cancer. Limbaugh also said that smoking
doesn't cause cancer.

Wow. Only stupid people listen to what Rush Limbaugh
says and take him seriously.

Your question makes no since, because you have it ass backwards.
I do not consider myself to be a Republican, but a Conservative.
As such I love America and adore the U.S. Constitution.

No you don't. You hate America and everything that
makes her great. You can't stand the Constitution.
You would never stand up for it or for what is morally
right. Oh, you'll wrap yourself in the flag all right,
but you know deep in your hear that you don't rate it.

You aren't even really a conservative; you're just a
cruel loser who wants to lash out at those who are
better, smarter, and more successful than you. That's
why you worship a false god that those of us from New
York City used as a punchline for decades until idiots
started taking him seriously and actually elected him
president! Now that's a joke....

As I'm sure if you speak to other Trump Supporters if your in the United States you will get to hear the same things.

Now, we face an unprecedented pandemic, and the most
unqualified, stupid, benighted president in our history
is in way, way over his head. For the good of us all,
why don't you finally have the goddamn common decency
to admit it, step aside, and let the experts handle the
situation? You faux-conservatives are going to cost
people their lives. Well, since you're ok with locking
kids up in concentration camps, I guess you won't care.

I'll say it again: Son, you're a goddamn disgrace.

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I thought Pence would pop his eyes out of his
sockets if he tried to stick his nose any further
up Trump's ass.

"Today, with the great leadership of President Trump, I pooped in the potty
all by myself". -Mike Pence

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On 14 Mar 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Tim,

What the real punchline is, that you won't admit or give credit to Tru

There's nothing to give that numbskull credit for.
He's flubbed everything he was handed so far, and
is failing miserably with the 2019-nCoV pandemic.

The guy's bankrupted everything he's ever touched.
He's a fool with no skills, no intellectual curiosity,
no empathy or care for anyone that isn't himself.

I love the way Trump has a talent for setting lefties off on a raving fit

Fuck the election, put Biden in charge now.

"All men and women are created, by the, you know, you know the thing,"

There have been many gaffs, if he steps into the ring with Trump.

Trump will destroy Biden.

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If it's just being over-sensationalized, why did the
president declare a national state of emergency yesterday?
Why is he getting tested?

Curious, do you not watch the news or is it that you are many hundreds of miles from the USA and therefore are not aware of what happens here?

The President was not going to be tested, but his advisors probably convinced him that it would be a very good idea because of the Fact that he was sitting next to a Brazilian leader who has the corona virus, they even shook hands. The President had no ill effects but was tested as a precaution.

My office was closed Tuesday and Friday, because on Wednesday 3/11
management called for a office wide meeting, we were all told that there is an employee who pre-quarantined herself at home.

Trump owns our utter FAILURE to address this in a

timely manner. Like the idiot he is, he thought he
could just build a wall (put in travel restrictions
from China) and that would be good enough to stop
it. Now, we're _exactly_ where Italy was 7 days ago
in terms of the number of cases, except we don't know
how many cases there really are because the idiot
didn't start testing aggressively until now. Why?
Because he didn't want to know the numbers because
they would make him look bad.

Several inaccurate statements.
The wall has nothing to corona virus. It was built to stop the hordes of freeloaders from coming into the USA. You know what else this wall has a
door. Known as ports of entry.

Restrictions on Travel is smart it is not xenophobic and it has saved many hundreds of lives.

No you don't. You hate America and everything that
makes her great. You can't stand the Constitution.
You would never stand up for it or for what is morally
right. Oh, you'll wrap yourself in the flag all right,
but you know deep in your hear that you don't rate it.

Again you wrong, everything you have within the 5 above lines is reversed
from what you indicated.

It's the Democratic Party that has an issue with the American Flag as it is
not seen in abundance at the Democratic Debates.
The Democratic Party uses people like pawns, they hand out free shit, to bribe them for their vote.
Think I am wrong?
Then take a good hard look at San Francisco, California.
People defecating in the streets. Drug needles in the streets by the hundreds. You would not live among this filth for 5 minutes, people do though.

You aren't even really a conservative; you're just a
cruel loser who wants to lash out at those who are
better, smarter, and more successful than you.

If you have to brag, then your not even remotely those things.
Sounds like more of a Fantasy of yours or perhaps a alter-ego.
You sound very much like your hammering keys within a white castle on a top
of hill. (when in fact your probably in your pj's or underwear in your mom's basement.) Clean yourself up, your a disgrace.

Now, we face an unprecedented pandemic, and the most
unqualified, stupid, benighted president in our history
is in way, way over his head. For the good of us all,
why don't you finally have the goddamn common decency
to admit it, step aside, and let the experts handle the
situation?

Someone like Obama, perhaps? who did not stop travel and what happened thousands died. No thanks, I will keep my President who is a business man,
not a clueless black man, who was a community organizer.

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On 15 Mar 2020 at 08:41a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

If it's just being over-sensationalized, why did the
president declare a national state of emergency yesterday?
Why is he getting tested?

Curious, do you not watch the news or is it that you are many hundreds
of miles from the USA and therefore are not aware of what happens here?

First of all, I'm actually a proud American. Unlike
you faux-conservatives, I actually love my country.

But what does where I live have to do with my question?
If you think it's being over-sensationalized, why did
he declare a state of emergency? Why, a week ago, was
he saying it's no big deal and people with it should go
to work? Why has the GOP blocked congressional efforts
to provide relief bills? Why has Mitch McConnell gone
on a long weekend instead of staying to deal with this
crisis?

The President was not going to be tested, but his advisors probably convinced him that it would be a very good idea because of the Fact that he was sitting next to a Brazilian leader who has the corona virus, they even shook hands. The President had no ill effects but was tested as a precaution.

According to Rush Limbaugh, who you've admitted you
listen to, it's just the common cold. So what's the
big deal?

My office was closed Tuesday and Friday, because on Wednesday 3/11 management called for a office wide meeting, we were all told that there is an employee who pre-quarantined herself at home.

Sounds like it might be a bigger deal than you fake
conservatives tried to make it out to be, huh?

Several inaccurate statements.
The wall has nothing to corona virus. It was built to stop the hordes of freeloaders from coming into the USA. You know what else this wall has a door. Known as ports of entry.

Ah, I see you cannot parse a metaphor. I'm not surprised.
What's your level of education?

The reason I put "travel restrictions from China" in
parenthesis was because that's a metaphor for a wall:
Ie, the flawed logic that keeping the infected out will
protect us.

The rest of your drivel is debunked nonsense.

Restrictions on Travel is smart it is not xenophobic and it has saved
many hundreds of lives.

It was in fact the right thing to do. However, the only
real effect it would have had was buying us time to prepare.
But Trump, the idiot that he is, squandered that opportunity.

In other words, and this is where you and the rest of the
right-wing noise machine are just plain wrong, travel
restrictions by themselves don't work: they only buy you
time. So while it was a good idea to put in the restrictions,
the necessary follow-through wasn't done because it would
have made Trump look bad.

You and the rest of the sheep continue to bleat about what
a great idea it was without acknowledging that the other
more important opportunity it _could_ have afforded us was
squandered.

Again you wrong, everything you have within the 5 above lines is reversed from what you indicated.

How, precisely, am I wrong?

It's the Democratic Party that has an issue with the American Flag as it is not seen in abundance at the Democratic Debates.

First of all, I'm not a Democrat, but....

The American Flag is _not_ the country. If you loved our
Constitution, you'd understand that it is an American's
right not to display it if they don't want.

But right-wingers can't understand that, because they lack
the mental capacity to distinguish between the symbol (ie,
the flag), and the thing that it symbolizes (ie, the nation).

If your metric is how many flags are displayed, then you're
just wrong. This is America, not Nazi Germany.

The Democratic Party uses people like pawns, they hand out free shit, to bribe them for their vote.

Oh really? What free shit are they handing out? This
ought to be amusing....

Think I am wrong?

I don't think, I know.

Then take a good hard look at San Francisco, California.
People defecating in the streets. Drug needles in the streets by the hundreds. You would not live among this filth for 5 minutes, people do though.

I've been to San Francisco. Yeah, one screwed up city
is obviously an indictment of more than half the country.

How about we look at the right-wing rural areas? Lack
of industry, chronic health morbidities including obesity,
high-blood pressure, diabetes; unemployment; lack of
education; chronic substance abuse; crime; domestic violence;
high rates of STDs and teen pregnancy; lack of access to
healthcare; a megachurch on every corner with some idiot
preacher spouting a hateful perversion of whatever is in
the new testament; the list goes on and on and on. I
can step over the feces in San Francisco, but the problems
in the red states are backed into generations of ignorance
and inbreeding.

You aren't even really a conservative; you're just a
cruel loser who wants to lash out at those who are
better, smarter, and more successful than you.

If you have to brag, then your not even remotely those things.

You're not much on reading comprehension, are you?

You sound very much like your hammering keys within a white castle on a top of hill. (when in fact your probably in your pj's or underwear in
your mom's basement.) Clean yourself up, your a disgrace.

Well, we know YOU can't be in your mom's basement because
most double-wide's don't have basements.

Someone like Obama, perhaps? who did not stop travel and what happened thousands died. No thanks, I will keep my President who is a business man, not a clueless black man, who was a community organizer.

Ah! It FINALLY comes out! You were just mad that Obama
is black. Well, thanks for admitting it. Compare Obama's
reactions to both H1N1 and Ebola to Trump's inaction on
COVID-19. Who disbanded the pandemic response team on the
NSC?

Trump is a joke.

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On 15 Mar 2020, Gregory Deyss said the following...

Someone like Obama, perhaps? who did not stop travel and what happened thousands died. No thanks, I will keep my President who is a business man, not a clueless black man, who was a community organizer.

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On 03-15-20 08:41, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dan Cross about Re: Biggest Crash Ever! <=-

Now, we face an unprecedented pandemic, and the most
unqualified, stupid, benighted president in our history
is in way, way over his head. For the good of us all,
why don't you finally have the goddamn common decency
to admit it, step aside, and let the experts handle the
situation?

Someone like Obama, perhaps? who did not stop travel and what happened thousands died. No thanks, I will keep my President who is a business man, not a clueless black man, who was a community organizer.

Which pandemic are you talking about? Try looking up the statistics on
the Ebola pandemic and compare the number of infections and deaths in
the USA to the number of same from Covid-19 as of today -- and we are
just getting started.

Obama had a lot more clue as to what was happening and how to deal with
it than Trump, who claimed that it would all be over in a week. Your
President is a failed business man, and knows even less about public
health. Given the comparison, I think that black is much better than
orange.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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Hello Dale,

Now, we face an unprecedented pandemic, and the most
unqualified, stupid, benighted president in our history
is in way, way over his head. For the good of us all,
why don't you finally have the goddamn common decency
to admit it, step aside, and let the experts handle the
situation?

Someone like Obama, perhaps? who did not stop travel and what happened >GD>thousands died. No thanks, I will keep my President who is a business >GD>man, not a clueless black man, who was a community organizer.

Which pandemic are you talking about? Try looking up the statistics on
the Ebola pandemic and compare the number of infections and deaths in
the USA to the number of same from Covid-19 as of today -- and we are
just getting started.

Obama had a lot more clue as to what was happening and how to deal with
it than Trump, who claimed that it would all be over in a week. Your >President is a failed business man, and knows even less about public
health. Given the comparison, I think that black is much better than
orange.

Trump in blackface? Only with Kanye West's help. Which could happen.

--Lee

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On 16 Mar 2020 at 01:07a, Dale Shipp pondered and said...

On 03-15-20 08:41, Gregory Deyss <=-

Someone like Obama, perhaps? who did not stop travel and what happene thousands died. No thanks, I will keep my President who is a busines man, not a clueless black man, who was a community organizer.

Which pandemic are you talking about? Try looking up the statistics on the Ebola pandemic and compare the number of infections and deaths in
the USA to the number of same from Covid-19 as of today -- and we are
just getting started.

They are usually talking about H1N1. They don't like to
talk about Ebola because it doesn't fit their narrative.
Oddly enough, they're wrong about H1N1, though. A timeline
of events:

Apr 15, 2009: First case of H1N1 diagnosed in the US.
Apr 22, 2009: CDC activates emergency operations.
May 15, 2009: Over 1,000,000 tests released
Aug 31, 2009: Prototype vaccine developed

So. Four and a half months from first case to an early
vaccine. Compare to Trump on COVID-19:

Jan 22, 2020: "We have it totally under control. It's one
person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine."
Feb 02, 2020: "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
Feb 24, 2020: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in
the USA... Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
Feb 25, 2020: "CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job
of handling Coronavirus."
Feb 25, 2020: "I think that's a problem that's going to go away...
They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're
very close to a vaccine."
Feb 26, 2020: "The 15 (cases in the US) within a few days is
going to be down to close to zero."
Feb 26, 2020: "We're going very substantially down, not up."
Feb 27, 2020: "One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear."
Mar 04, 2020: "If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of
people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and
even going to work -- some of them go to work, but they get better."
Mar 06, 2020: "Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that
needs a test gets a test." (As of Mar 15, 2020, the US had
administered less than 5,000 tests, according to the CDC.)
Mar 06, 2020: "I don't need to have the numbers double because
of one ship that wasn't our fault."
Mar 09, 2020: "This blindsided the world."

Well, it blindsided the president! He's in way, way over
his head. For the good of the country, he should at least
admit it and find someone competent to manage the crisis.

World-wide cases just topped 182,000 cases. In the US, we've
topped 4,200 and are doubling roughly every three days. Since
we do not have wide-scale testing, because Trump turned down
tests from the WHO, we have no idea whether the social distancing
measures put into place over the last week and a half are
working, let alone sufficient.

This isn't funny anymore, guys; it's time to let the adults
take over and fix the mess.

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Sorry I missed the start of this conversation, but who are the adults though and are they still around?

This isn't funny anymore, guys; it's time to let the adults
take over and fix the mess.

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Gregory Deyss wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

On 10 Mar 2020, Ron Lauzon said the following...

Yes you did hear right. What a miserable existence it must be to be a democrat.

Ya, they keep having to ignore all the good things that happen. It must be very hard for them. 8)

But I did recently hear that people on the Left are less happy, in general.

I can not wait until the Presidential debates it might be Crazy Bernie
but it is looking like it may be likely to be Sleepy Joe Biden.
(Does not matter who the nominee is Trump will smoke whoever it is.)

Now, those debates I want to see. I figure that Biden will forget where he is and walk off the stage at some point.

Did you hear just yesterday 03/09 he told a worker at a automotive plan that he was "Full of Shit" when he was responding to a question on gun rights.

Yes, I did see that. For a moment, I couldn't believe that Biden said that. But then I remembered. It was Biden.
I feel so sorry for the guy. Sort of like when you go visit senile Uncle Ed and Aunt Mary is made at him and lets him wander around without help.

Did you also hear they are limiting his speak time to no more then 15
to 20 minutes. So that he won't trip over his own words or worse say something that when looked at will raise an eyebrow.

Just Joe being Joe.


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Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

"All men and women are created, by the, you know, you know the thing,"

There have been many gaffs, if he steps into the ring with Trump.

Trump will destroy Biden.

Trump doesn't have to do anything. Biden will destroy himself.


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World-wide cases just topped 182,000 cases. In the US, we've
topped 4,200 and are doubling roughly every three days. Since
we do not have wide-scale testing, because Trump turned down
tests from the WHO, we have no idea whether the social distancing
measures put into place over the last week and a half are
working, let alone sufficient.

Nice write-up. Yeah, we're screwed.

I tried the math from a different direction. I know firsthand how hard it is
to get a test, because my girlfriend has COVID and it took us a week of
begging and basically lying to providers to finally get the test. "Confirmed Cases" is in no way an indication of how many people are infected.

So let's start with the number of people dead from the virus in the US, which (last I checked) is 69. The virus kills at a rate of 1% of infected people.
The incubation period is typically two-ish weeks before people are
symptomatic, so let's use 14 days as our assumed "infected person" -> "dead person" metric (which is very conservative, actually). That means, if we pretend that everyone that died of coronavirus in the US died TODAY (false), that two weeks ago these people were all infected. 1% death rate means start two weeks ago with 6900 infected persons in the US. Now multiply by 1.4 (rate of daily infection) by 14 days and...we've got at least 135k infected people
in the US. We're hosed.

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Hello Alexey,

Sorry I missed the start of this conversation, but who are the adults though
and are they still around?

This isn't funny anymore, guys; it's time to let the adults
take over and fix the mess.

There is no coronavirus in Acadiana. Tito's vodka didn't
make the cut (too low proof to kill viruses). That is why
New Orleans distillery Atelier Vie came up with Buck 25.
It is 125 proof vodka, the sure-fire cure for every virus
there is, including the coronavirus. Probably cures everything
else as well. So give it a go!

I'm still drinking my Cajun vodka, knowing it will keep
me safe from harm. Since I started drinking that stuff I
cannot remember the last time I had a virus ...

--Lee

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Hello Ron,

"All men and women are created, by the, you know, you know the thing,"

There have been many gaffs, if he steps into the ring with Trump.

Trump will destroy Biden.

Trump doesn't have to do anything. Biden will destroy himself.

Dow Jones hit a new low - losing 2,997 points in a single day.
That is a loss of 12.9% for the day.
The S&P 500 dropped 12% for the day.
Nasdaq closed 12.3% lower (worst day ever).

Dow down 31.7% from its all-time high.
S&P 500 and Nasdaq more than 29% below records.

This is 1929 all over again.

With a new FDR about to be elected ...

--Lee

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On 17 Mar 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

Which pandemic are you talking about? Try looking up the statistics the Ebola pandemic and compare the number of infections and deaths in the USA to the number of same from Covid-19 as of today -- and we are just getting started.

They are usually talking about H1N1. They don't like to
talk about Ebola because it doesn't fit their narrative.
Oddly enough, they're wrong about H1N1, though. A timeline
of events:

Apr 15, 2009: First case of H1N1 diagnosed in the US.
Apr 22, 2009: CDC activates emergency operations.
May 15, 2009: Over 1,000,000 tests released
Aug 31, 2009: Prototype vaccine developed

So. Four and a half months from first case to an early
vaccine. Compare to Trump on COVID-19:

Jan 22, 2020: "We have it totally under control. It's one
person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine."
Feb 02, 2020: "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
Feb 24, 2020: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in
the USA... Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
Feb 25, 2020: "CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job
of handling Coronavirus."
Feb 25, 2020: "I think that's a problem that's going to go away...
They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're
very close to a vaccine."
Feb 26, 2020: "The 15 (cases in the US) within a few days is
going to be down to close to zero."
Feb 26, 2020: "We're going very substantially down, not up."
Feb 27, 2020: "One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear."
Mar 04, 2020: "If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of
people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and
even going to work -- some of them go to work, but they get better."
Mar 06, 2020: "Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that
needs a test gets a test." (As of Mar 15, 2020, the US had
administered less than 5,000 tests, according to the CDC.)
Mar 06, 2020: "I don't need to have the numbers double because
of one ship that wasn't our fault."
Mar 09, 2020: "This blindsided the world."

Well, it blindsided the president! He's in way, way over
his head. For the good of the country, he should at least
admit it and find someone competent to manage the crisis.

World-wide cases just topped 182,000 cases. In the US, we've
topped 4,200 and are doubling roughly every three days. Since
we do not have wide-scale testing, because Trump turned down
tests from the WHO, we have no idea whether the social distancing
measures put into place over the last week and a half are
working, let alone sufficient.

This isn't funny anymore, guys; it's time to let the adults
take over and fix the mess.

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Next:
"Ooops we fucked up"
We see "oldskool trump" say " You're FIRED.

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On 16 Mar 2020 at 05:47p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

Gregory Deyss wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

Yes you did hear right. What a miserable existence it must be to be a democrat.

Ya, they keep having to ignore all the good things that happen. It must be very hard for them. 8)

It's not hard at all, since so few good things come
out of the Trump administration. What, precisely, is
being ignored? Be specific.

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Am 16 Mar 20 18:58:23 schrob Ryan Fantus an Dan Cross zum Thema
<Re: Pandemic>

Nice write-up. Yeah, we're screwed.

Why? I don't understand the panic. Everybody is talking about Covid-19, while at the same time "good old" Influenza is killing about ten times as many people
- at least in Germany. In winter 2018/2019 we had 25,000 people dying from Influenza, but no special measures were taken. So far, we've had 16 deaths from
Corona and people act as if it were the end of the world. At the same time, more than 200 died from Influenza and noone talks about that. The Corona virus is spreading so fast, because 80% of the people don't even notice when they have it!



Tschoe mit Oe
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Why? I don't understand the panic. Everybody is talking about Covid-19, while at the same time "good old" Influenza is killing about ten times
as many people - at least in Germany. In winter 2018/2019 we had 25,000 people dying from Influenza, but no special measures were taken. So far, we've had 16 deaths from Corona and people act as if it were the end of the world. At the same time, more than 200 died from Influenza and noone talks about that. The Corona virus is spreading so fast, because 80% of the people don't even notice when they have it!

Coronavirus is anywhere from 10-30x as deadly and spreads much more easily
than the flu. The panic is necessary to contain it.

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On 16 Mar 2020 at 06:58p, Ryan Fantus pondered and said...

Nice write-up. Yeah, we're screwed.

Thanks for the compliment; if only the news were better. :-(

I tried the math from a different direction. I know firsthand how hard
it is to get a test, because my girlfriend has COVID and it took us a
week of begging and basically lying to providers to finally get the
test. "Confirmed Cases" is in no way an indication of how many people
are infected.

Oh gosh; was she confirmed? How are you both doing?

So let's start with the number of people dead from the virus in the US, which (last I checked) is 69. The virus kills at a rate of 1% of
infected people. The incubation period is typically two-ish weeks before people are symptomatic, so let's use 14 days as our assumed "infected person" -> "dead person" metric (which is very conservative, actually). That means, if we pretend that everyone that died of coronavirus in the
US died TODAY (false), that two weeks ago these people were all
infected. 1% death rate means start two weeks ago with 6900 infected persons in the US. Now multiply by 1.4 (rate of daily infection) by 14 days and...we've got at least 135k infected people in the US. We're
hosed.

Really really interesting analysis, but I'm going to
quibble with your numbers just a tad. In particular,
the 69 deaths were cumulative, not just in one day.
But I think that changes your numbers just by days,
not fundamentally.

Yeah. We're hosed.

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Oh gosh; was she confirmed? How are you both doing?

Today is actually the first day in over a week she doesn't have a fever, and her symptoms are lessening .She still has a nasty cough but the rest of her symptoms are much more manageable.

She was tested finally Sunday and we'll know for sure the results within the next couple of days.

Sadly I'm becoming symptomatic now. It sucks.

Really really interesting analysis, but I'm going to
quibble with your numbers just a tad. In particular,
the 69 deaths were cumulative, not just in one day.
But I think that changes your numbers just by days,
not fundamentally.

Yeah, acknowledged, that was actually a bit intentional, because it plays
into the "most conservative estimate" piece. In other words, the math assumes
a statistical best-case scenario.

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Re: Re: Pandemic
By: Gerhard Strangar to Ryan Fantus on Tue Mar 17 2020 07:20 am

Why? I don't understand the panic. Everybody is talking about Covid-19, while at the same time "good old" Influenza is killing about ten times as many people - at least in Germany. In winter 2018/2019 we had 25,000 people dying from Influenza, but no special measures were taken. So far, we've had 16 deaths from Corona and people act as if it were the end of the world. At the same time, more than 200 died from Influenza and noone talks about that. The Corona virus is spreading so fast, because 80% of the people don't even notice when they have it!

Hello,

I think they are afraid hospital capacity will be overwelmed, since the disease spreads so quickly even if it is not extremely severe.

There are also reports that it can cause permanent lung damage in some people who recovers, so that is concerning.

In my opinion, logistics and panic is still worse than the virus itself. We in Spain declared State of Emergency and the country is in lockdown. Business are not allowed to open and people is not allowed on the streets, that sort of thing. In about two days of lockdown we are already seeing small firms and familiar business filling bankrupcy, and people getting fired. I suspect people losing their jobs and their roofs is going to be a bigger problem that the disease by a long shot.

Ryan Fantus : Dan Cross used his keyboard to write :

DC> World-wide cases just topped 182,000 cases. In the US, we've
DC> topped 4,200 and are doubling roughly every three days. Since
DC> we do not have wide-scale testing, because Trump turned down
DC> tests from the WHO, we have no idea whether the social distancing
DC> measures put into place over the last week and a half are
DC> working, let alone sufficient.

Nice write-up. Yeah, we're screwed.

I tried the math from a different direction. I know firsthand how hard it
is
to get a test, because my girlfriend has COVID and it took us a week of begging and basically lying to providers to finally get the test.
"Confirmed
Cases" is in no way an indication of how many people are infected.

So let's start with the number of people dead from the virus in the US,
which
(last I checked) is 69. The virus kills at a rate of 1% of infected people. The incubation period is typically two-ish weeks before people are symptomatic, so let's use 14 days as our assumed "infected person" -> "dead person" metric (which is very conservative, actually). That means, if we pretend that everyone that died of coronavirus in the US died TODAY
(false),
that two weeks ago these people were all infected. 1% death rate means
start
two weeks ago with 6900 infected persons in the US. Now multiply by 1.4
(rate
of daily infection) by 14 days and...we've got at least 135k infected
people
in the US. We're hosed.

Funny thing is the CDC used your math as its own basis to
determine how many people would likely die in the US as a result
of the coronavirus, at a kill rate of 1% of infected people.
So you know what the CDC's answer was? 1.7 million dead.
Just in the USA.

The WHO calculates the death rate at 3.4% - which means the CDC
is lowballing how many folks in the USA are likely to die. But even
the WHO is lowballing the numbers, which in reality are much higher
- such as 7.8% in Italy - given the rate of infection is quadradic
rather than linear.

I'll let you do the math as to how fast this coronavirus is spreading.
WHO claims the numbers double every week (7-10 days) at a rate of 2.3
while the real numbers are showing the numbers doubling every 3 days.
Of course, this could be due to some areas not testing until recently,
thus skewing the numbers.

Bottom line, we are looking at 160+ million infected and 10 to 12
million dead people due to the coronavirus in the USA by the end of
this year - and maybe much higher.

--Lee

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Hello Gerhard,

Nice write-up. Yeah, we're screwed.

Why? I don't understand the panic. Everybody is talking about Covid-19,
while at the same time "good old" Influenza is killing about ten times as many people - at least in Germany. In winter 2018/2019 we had 25,000 people dying from Influenza, but no special measures were taken. So far, we've had 16 deaths from Corona and people act as if it were the end of the world. At the same time, more than 200 died from Influenza and noone talks about
that. The Corona virus is spreading so fast, because 80% of the people
don't even notice when they have it!

Those people who say things such as "This is no worse than the flu"
are stupid. They are openly admitting they are scientifically and mathematically illiterate. They will take no precautions to protect
themselves and put others at risk by their actions. Just like our
dimwitted president and his idiot children.

--Lee

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Hello Ryan,

GS> Why? I don't understand the panic. Everybody is talking about
Covid-19,
GS> while at the same time "good old" Influenza is killing about ten
times
GS> as many people - at least in Germany. In winter 2018/2019 we had
25,000
GS> people dying from Influenza, but no special measures were taken. So far,
GS> we've had 16 deaths from Corona and people act as if it were the end
of
GS> the world. At the same time, more than 200 died from Influenza and noone
GS> talks about that. The Corona virus is spreading so fast, because 80%
of
GS> the people don't even notice when they have it!

Coronavirus is anywhere from 10-30x as deadly and spreads much more easily >than the flu. The panic is necessary to contain it.

More like 60x as deadly.

Global rate for concluded cases has reached 6%, with 94% surviving
- that is 60x higher than the death rate of the seasonal flu (0.1%).

--Lee

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On 17 Mar 2020 at 10:43a, Ryan Fantus pondered and said...

Oh gosh; was she confirmed? How are you both doing?

Today is actually the first day in over a week she doesn't have a fever, and her symptoms are lessening .She still has a nasty cough but the rest of her symptoms are much more manageable.

She was tested finally Sunday and we'll know for sure the results within the next couple of days.

Fingers crossed that it all turns out ok.

Sadly I'm becoming symptomatic now. It sucks.

Oh no; I'm very sorry to hear that. I hope it ends up
being mild.

Yeah, acknowledged, that was actually a bit intentional, because it plays into the "most conservative estimate" piece. In other words, the math assumes a statistical best-case scenario.

Ah, I think I see how you arrived at that. Ok.

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On 17 Mar 2020 at 09:02p, Lee Lofaso pondered and said...

Funny thing is the CDC used your math as its own basis to
determine how many people would likely die in the US as a result
of the coronavirus, at a kill rate of 1% of infected people.
So you know what the CDC's answer was? 1.7 million dead.
Just in the USA.

The IFR (Infection-Fatality Rate) varies across locations
in accordance to how developed healthcare infrastructure is
in the location, capacity, etc. In Italy it went through
the roof once they ran out of hospital space and could no
longer effectively treat people. 1% is about right for the
US.

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Bottom line, we are looking at 160+ million infected and 10 to 12
million dead people due to the coronavirus in the USA by the end of
this year - and maybe much higher.

Yeah. The only thing that would prevent this would be a vaccine or a
legitimate quarantine, neither of which are realistic right now.

I think what we'll see instead are repeated attempts of very limited quarantines which result in people not being able to work and a further breakdown of society.

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Fingers crossed that it all turns out ok.

Thanks. And good news! We still don't have confirmation of infection from the lab but her symptoms have finally begun to improve. Today she has no fever, feels markedly better, and she looks a lot more like herself.

She's been symptomatic for a week. She still has a bad cough and sniffles but the fever, headache, lethargy is gone.

Oh no; I'm very sorry to hear that. I hope it ends up
being mild.

Thanks. I'm worried because I have asthma (it was bad enough to end a
military career). So we'll see.

Ah, I think I see how you arrived at that. Ok.

It becomes rather terrifying if you apply different values in the equation based on presumed death rates based on different reporting, whether it be
from CDC or WHO.

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Hello Dan,

Nice write-up. Yeah, we're screwed.

Thanks for the compliment; if only the news were better. :-(

Better for all. The numbers today are mind boggling. What
those numbers might become I don't even want to think about.

I tried the math from a different direction. I know firsthand how hard >RF>it is to get a test, because my girlfriend has COVID and it took us a >RF>week of begging and basically lying to providers to finally get the >RF>test. "Confirmed Cases" is in no way an indication of how many people >RF>are infected.

Oh gosh; was she confirmed? How are you both doing?

I hope they survive. I hope I survive. I hope we all survive.

So let's start with the number of people dead from the virus in the US, >RF>which (last I checked) is 69. The virus kills at a rate of 1% of >RF>infected people. The incubation period is typically two-ish weeks before >RF>people are symptomatic, so let's use 14 days as our assumed "infected >RF>person" -> "dead person" metric (which is very conservative, actually). >RF>That means, if we pretend that everyone that died of coronavirus in the >RF>US died TODAY (false), that two weeks ago these people were all >RF>infected. 1% death rate means start two weeks ago with 6900 infected >RF>persons in the US. Now multiply by 1.4 (rate of daily infection) by 14 >RF>days and...we've got at least 135k infected people in the US. We're >RF>hosed.

Really really interesting analysis, but I'm going to
quibble with your numbers just a tad. In particular,
the 69 deaths were cumulative, not just in one day.
But I think that changes your numbers just by days,
not fundamentally.

The CDC used a death rate mortality of 1%.
The WHO used a death rate mortality of 3.4%
The death rate mortality for Italy is at 7.8%.

Yeah. We're hosed.

Yeah. Even the CDC is fudging the numbers, trying to present
a best-case scenario. It ain't gonna happen, folks. Look at Italy.
That is the new norm.

Number of infected in USA doubles every 3 days, same as in Italy.
Nobody in the news media wants to admit it. But those are the facts,
given the statistics.

One other thing. The curve (rate of infection) is not actually
parabolic, but quadratic. You can chart it out on graph paper with
the numbers reported by the news media. Statistics 101.

The whole world is screwed.

--Lee

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On 17 Mar 2020 at 11:19p, Lee Lofaso pondered and said...

One other thing. The curve (rate of infection) is not actually
parabolic, but quadratic. You can chart it out on graph paper with
the numbers reported by the news media. Statistics 101.

I've found this video to be a good primer on the
growth rate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg

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Hello Dan,

Funny thing is the CDC used your math as its own basis to
determine how many people would likely die in the US as a result
of the coronavirus, at a kill rate of 1% of infected people.
So you know what the CDC's answer was? 1.7 million dead.
Just in the USA.

The IFR (Infection-Fatality Rate) varies across locations
in accordance to how developed healthcare infrastructure is
in the location, capacity, etc.

There are only two ways to deal with this crisis -
* massive testing
* massive quarantine

The US has chosen to do neither, until very recently.
And even then, it is not doing enough. Not nearly enough.

The overall mortality rate (all age groups) is 3.4% as defined
by WHO. Those under age 20 are basically immune. Those over age
80 have a heck of lot more to worry about than anybody else, as
they are basically goners. But that is not the issue. The CDC's
estimate is extremely low, and not based on sound science or
statistical review.

In Italy it went through the roof once they ran out of hospital space and
could no longer effectively treat people. 1% is about right for the US.

You think so? You really think so?

South Korea has 12.3 hospital beds per 1,000 people.
Italy has 3.2 per 1,000 people.
The US has 2.8 per 1,000 people.

Let's try a wider sample, for comparison -

South Korea 12.3
Germany 8.0
France 6.0
China 4.3
Italy 3.2
USA 2.8

Source: The Organisation for Economic Co-Operation and Development
(OECO)

The US does not have near enough hospital beds to take care of
those in need. At present, there are many flu patients who are
already filling beds. Plus others. That means hospitals as of
now are already two-thirds full. And then there is the question
of the number of ICU beds available, which coronavirus patients
will definitely need.

In Italy, the normal death rate in ICU is 12% to 16%. But now
the death rate is 50%. While the US does have more ICU beds than
European countries do on average, the number of ICU beds needed
remains miniscule given the numbers of people who will need them.

US hospitals, already two-thirds full, meaning there would be
at least 17 patients per open bed.

The coronavirus will end up causing between 10 million and 34
million hospital visits, about one-fifth of those requiring ICU.

Not gonna happen, my man. We gonna die. Some of us fast,
some of us slow. But we all gonna die.

--Lee

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Not gonna happen, my man. We gonna die. Some of us fast,
some of us slow. But we all gonna die.

They're going to have to be abstemious when it comes to triage. "Nobody over
80 gets a bed, sorry." Sad reality.

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Hello Dan,

One other thing. The curve (rate of infection) is not actually >LL>parabolic, but quadratic. You can chart it out on graph paper with
the numbers reported by the news media. Statistics 101.

I've found this video to be a good primer on the
growth rate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg

That is an excellent presentation. Easily understood
by the average person, including most children of high
school age.

***however***

Far too complicated for the "stable genius" we have occupying
the White House to understand, as he is mathematically impaired.
You think something simpler can be found?

--Lee

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Hello Ryan,

Bottom line, we are looking at 160+ million infected and 10 to 12 >LL>million dead people due to the coronavirus in the USA by the end of >LL>this year - and maybe much higher.

Yeah. The only thing that would prevent this would be a vaccine or a >legitimate quarantine, neither of which are realistic right now.

A vaccine is wishful thinking. And at least a year away, if
one is or can be found. How long can a massive quarantine be
expected to remain in place, and how effective it could really
be, are two open questions. People in the US have been making
runs on buying up all the guns and ammo they can find. Along
with enough toilet paper to last a million lifetimes.

I think what we'll see instead are repeated attempts of very limited >quarantines which result in people not being able to work and a further >breakdown of society.

Look on the bright side.
The government said your check is in the mail.

--Lee

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Hello Ryan,

Not gonna happen, my man. We gonna die. Some of us fast,
some of us slow. But we all gonna die.

They're going to have to be abstemious when it comes to triage. "Nobody over
80 gets a bed, sorry." Sad reality.

That is what they are doing in Italy now. Many with beds in ICU
are merely sedated, nothing else being done for them, except waiting
for them to die so as to have another bed open for somebody else.
Once a day, doctors call next of kin to let them know, as no visitors
are allowed.

Without an ICU bed, a patient has no respirator, and cannot breathe.
There are only so many ICU beds available in Italy. And the US has
only a few more ICU beds available than Italy. Do the math.

The normal mortality rate in ICU in Italy was 12 to 16%.
Now it is 50%. Hospitals (and ICU beds) in the USA are in
dire straits here as in Italy. The mortality rate will be
roughly the same ratio of 50%. For those who are lucky
enough to get an ICU bed.

We may be better off taking our chances by staying at home
and hope never to get sick, or hope to recover without the need
for an ICU bed. Just be sure to have a quick exit available
if things really go south fast.

--Lee

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On 18 Mar 2020 at 02:19a, Lee Lofaso pondered and said...

In Italy it went through the roof once they ran out of hospital space and
could no longer effectively treat people. 1% is about right for the US.

You think so? You really think so?

Yes, I do. As long as we can keep the number of occupied
hospital beds below the threshold, we'll maintain that
rate. The unfortunate reality, however, is that we're
unlikely to be able to do that, so our mortality rate will
also spike.

As I said earlier, the IFR (Infection-fatality rate) varies
across healthcare systems. As jacked up as our system is,
our actual standard of care is very good (if accessible).
Until it gets overwhelmed, the IFR in the US will remain
around 1%.

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On 18 Mar 2020 at 04:26a, Lee Lofaso pondered and said...

Far too complicated for the "stable genius" we have occupying
the White House to understand, as he is mathematically impaired.
You think something simpler can be found?

Unfortunately, no; nothing will penetrate that moron's
thick skull. Whatever capacity he ever had for basic
human emotions like empathy, introspection, etc, has
been completely trained out of him. He'll never get it.

He's now saying he always thought it was a pandemic and
patting himself on the back for how well he's handling
it and has handled it so far. What a joke: he basically
ignored it for two months. His mindless sheep are already
repeating the talking points.

The cognitive dissonance is so strong that they just
cannot see how incompetent he is. What happened to
that racist Trump Train guy? I suppose he scurried
away to some dark corner of the Internet once he outed
himself as just being motivated for his hatred of a
man's skin. But that he can support this obvious
failure, this blatant con-man, and say with a straight
face that he prefers a "businessman" (who has failed
just about every business he's tried!) is an amazing
case study in willful ignorance. People would rather
basically kill themselves by following a life-long
grifter rather than find someone competent to lead us
through this crisis since the competent people don't
agree with them politically. They might literally
drown on the fluid in their own lungs as long as they
get to call the other side "libtard."

It's astounding.

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Alexey Shmonov wrote to Dan Cross <=-

Sorry I missed the start of this conversation, but who are the adults though and are they still around?

The "adults" he is referring to are the Leftie elites who, as usual, think that they know better than everyone else (but really couldn't find their rear end without a guide).


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Ryan Fantus wrote to Gerhard Strangar <=-

Coronavirus is anywhere from 10-30x as deadly

Only for certain age groups. The areas hit hardest have a large elderly popularion and poor health systems. Otherwise, COVID-19 is about the same as the normal flu as deadly.

and spreads much more easily than the flu.

That's because many of us have had their flu shots - which helps slow the flu's spread and because many of us have had the flu, so our bodies know how to fight it off.

The panic is necessary to contain it.

When they declare something to be a Pandemic, it's because they can't contain it. So the panic is useless. COVID-19 is already not containable.

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Hello Ryan,

Not gonna happen, my man. We gonna die. Some of us fast,
some of us slow. But we all gonna die.

They're going to have to be abstemious when it comes to triage. "Nobody over
80 gets a bed, sorry." Sad reality.

Ventilators. Where are the ventilators when you really need them?

--Lee

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Re: Re: Pandemic
By: Ron Lauzon to Ryan Fantus on Wed Mar 18 2020 01:22 pm

When they declare something to be a Pandemic, it's because they can't contain it. So the panic is useless. COVID-19 is already not containable.

I suspect we are getting there. Lots of Spanish politicians are getting it. I suspect that the reason why we know it is because politicians are taking the test, and everybody else isn't.

What worries me is what authorities will try to sacrifice trying to contain the virus.

On 18 Mar 2020 at 01:17p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

The "adults" he is referring to are the Leftie elites who, as usual,
think that they know better than everyone else (but really couldn't find their rear end without a guide).

It's ok, there's a tweet for every occasion!

March 02, 2020: "So last year 37,000 Americans
died from the common Flu. It averages between
27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down,
life & the economy go on. At this moment there
are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22
deaths. Think about that!"
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1237027356314869761

Indeed, let's think about that. But yeah it's
the everyone else who was telling him that this was
a big deal that can't find their own asses.

You are an immoral liar.

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Hello Dan,

In Italy it went through the roof once they ran out of hospital space

and

could no longer effectively treat people. 1% is about right for the US. >LL>

You think so? You really think so?

Yes, I do. As long as we can keep the number of occupied
hospital beds below the threshold, we'll maintain that
rate. The unfortunate reality, however, is that we're
unlikely to be able to do that, so our mortality rate will
also spike.

Wishful thinking. The numbers presented are based on the
total number of beds, all empty beds with none occupied.
The real numbers show that hospitals are two-thirds full,
with many cases of seasonal flu.

What will be needed is field hospitals, using tents as rooms.
And converting hospital beds to ICU beds. Otherwise, it will
be a lost cause.

To give you an idea as to how many test kits are available,
just look at the numbers. The state of Louisiana has four and
a half million people. The highest number of tests it has been
able to do is 172. A total of 669 tests over 7 days.

Look at total tested and total cases -

Total tested - 805 over 8 days
Total positive - 347 over 8 days

That is rate fast approaching 50%.

Think about how many folks who have the coronavirus who
have never been tested. And might never get tested.
Along with the inability to test more than just a handful
of the total population.

As I said earlier, the IFR (Infection-fatality rate) varies
across healthcare systems. As jacked up as our system is,
our actual standard of care is very good (if accessible).
Until it gets overwhelmed, the IFR in the US will remain
around 1%.

The population of Madrid is already 80% infected.
The population of Italy is almost 70% infected.
The population of Germany is expected to hit close to 70% infected.

I fully expect the US to be 80% infected, with 15% severe, half
of whom will die. That is 20 million dead Americans, before the
end of this year.

You still think we're gonna have a presidential election?

Just think of the new jobs program that the next administration
will create. No, you do not really want to think about that ...

--Lee

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Hello Dan,

Far too complicated for the "stable genius" we have occupying
the White House to understand, as he is mathematically impaired.
You think something simpler can be found?

Unfortunately, no; nothing will penetrate that moron's
thick skull. Whatever capacity he ever had for basic
human emotions like empathy, introspection, etc, has
been completely trained out of him. He'll never get it.

He is a sociopath, and a self-admitted sexual predator. Not to
mention having narcissistic personality disorder. Total bonkers.
And yet, the president gets to choose his own doctor, and that
doctor will always say the president is in great shape and always
of sound mind.

Which brings up an interesting question -

If a president's doctor claims the president is nuts, the
doctor can have the president taken to a facility for observation
of unlimited duration. The 25th amendment does not even have to
be invoked. The doctor can act on his/her own authority.

I can take this even further.

The medical staff at St. Elizabeth's Hospital can issue an
opinion that the president is nuts, and recommend the president
be admitted for observation of unlimited duration. That way,
the president's doctor can decide just to go along with it.

OTOH, the president's doctor might want to let the president
continue his own self-destructive behavior and die. But that
would mean losing his own job as well. Which probably explains
why the president's doctor said nothing when the president shook
hands with the president of Brazil (who then tested positive
for the coronavirus).

He's now saying he always thought it was a pandemic and
patting himself on the back for how well he's handling
it and has handled it so far. What a joke: he basically
ignored it for two months. His mindless sheep are already
repeating the talking points.

He fired the pandemic team the Obama administration had
put in place, and never did a thing to replace it. This
was back in 2018, and now it is 2020. Cut the funding
for the CDC, fire the pandemic team and other medical
experts, and then blame somebody else when a crisis hits.

The cognitive dissonance is so strong that they just
cannot see how incompetent he is. What happened to
that racist Trump Train guy? I suppose he scurried
away to some dark corner of the Internet once he outed
himself as just being motivated for his hatred of a
man's skin. But that he can support this obvious
failure, this blatant con-man, and say with a straight
face that he prefers a "businessman" (who has failed
just about every business he's tried!) is an amazing
case study in willful ignorance. People would rather
basically kill themselves by following a life-long
grifter rather than find someone competent to lead us
through this crisis since the competent people don't
agree with them politically. They might literally
drown on the fluid in their own lungs as long as they
get to call the other side "libtard."

Louisiana has a US Representative (Clay Higgins) who
is trying to imitate Donald Trump with the same kind of
idiotic taunts, calling the coronavirus the "Chinese
virus" and such. He put it all on his Facebook page
for all to watch. Truly sickening video, watching
a member of Congress rant and rave like a lunatic.

"The people that own these businesses, they can make
up their mind. They're not stupid. You can't make their
decisions for them because you think you know best.
They know how to limit contact and adjust their
services to respond to this virus. It's a virus,
man. We're not being invaded by the Chinese army.
We're being impacted by a Chinese virus, OK?"
~ US Rep. Clay Higgins (R-LA), video on his official
congressional Facebook page titled "We're not going
to take it anymore"

Another Louisiana US Representative (Steve Scalise)
decided to go into self-quarantine, as he had come into
contact with someone who had tested positive for the
coronavirus. But at no time did Scalise start ranting
and raving at Democrats or others, choosing to act
like a responsible adult instead.

US Senator Bill Cassidy also acted like a grown-up
rather than a small child, applauding the efforts of
the governor (a Democrat) to deal with the crisis.
But then, Cassidy is a medical doctor and knows what
he is talking about, unlike Higgins (and Trump).

It's astounding.

Watching live television, a group of grown men standing
around a president who knows absolutely nothing about the
coronavirus or how to deal with it, shaking their heads
up and down in full agreement with whatever their president
utters.

Il Duce has arrived in America.

--Lee

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On 03-19-20 23:25, Lee Lofaso <=-
spoke to Dan Cross about Pandemic <=-

What will be needed is field hospitals, using tents as rooms.
And converting hospital beds to ICU beds. Otherwise, it will
be a lost cause.

I saw in the news tonight that a county in Washington state is
converting an empty soccer field into a 200 bed hospital. More of that
sort of thing will be needed (but that is not all that is needed by any
means).

To give you an idea as to how many test kits are available,
just look at the numbers. The state of Louisiana has four and
a half million people. The highest number of tests it has been
able to do is 172. A total of 669 tests over 7 days.

Look at total tested and total cases -

Total tested - 805 over 8 days
Total positive - 347 over 8 days

That is rate fast approaching 50%.

That sounds like they are only testing people who are already showing
signs of infection.

Think about how many folks who have the coronavirus who
have never been tested. And might never get tested.

In some areas of mass testing in Europe, about half of the people who
tested positive showed no symptoms.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

You are an immoral liar.

Excuse me.
But I believe you've mistaken me for someone else.

Like someone who cares about what Leftie "thinks".

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On 20 Mar 2020 at 09:19a, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

You are an immoral liar.

Excuse me.
But I believe you've mistaken me for someone else.

No, I think not. You're immoral. You're a liar.
I bet you proclaim yourself to be a "Christian" too,
right? How many of your relatives are on the public
dole, and how many are chronic substance abusers?

Like someone who cares about what Leftie "thinks".

Then why did you respond?

It's people like you, yes, you specifically, who
got us into this mess with a reality TV star for
a president. Good job!

Right-wing "thought" at its "best". Tell me,
where'd the racist go?

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On 03-14-20, GREGORY DEYSS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

On 13 Mar 2020, TIM RICHARDSON said the following...

I love the way Trump has a talent for setting lefties off on a raving
fit!

I know, but perhaps he will be better prepared now that I have informed GD>what was utilized to calm the outrage in 2016.

Rendering a quieting, comforting silence as the liberal college students GD>grip their crayons with renewed determination; as they do their best to GD>stay within the lines.

Reminds me of what someone said once; "Life is tough. Its even tougher if you're stupid."


Not all....but most liberals are just plain stupid.

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On 03-14-20, LEE LOFASO said to TIM RICHARDSON:

Hello Tim,

What the real punchline is, that you won't admit or give credit to Trump.

There's nothing to give that numbskull credit for.
He's flubbed everything he was handed so far, and
is failing miserably with the 2019-nCoV pandemic.

The guy's bankrupted everything he's ever touched.
He's a fool with no skills, no intellectual curiosity,
no empathy or care for anyone that isn't himself.

I love the way Trump has a talent for setting lefties off on a raving fit!

Fuck the election, put Biden in charge now.

Here's a question I saw asked recently about Bernie Sanders, but it also applies to Joe Biden:


If Biden and Sanders think their socialist policies are so good....why didn't they both move to socialist countries instead of becoming millionaires in America?

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On 03-15-20, GREGORY DEYSS said to LEE LOFASO:

On 14 Mar 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Fuck the election, put Biden in charge now.

"All men and women are created, by the, you know, you know the thing,"

There have been many gaffs, if he steps into the ring with Trump.

Trump will destroy Biden.

It seems to me Biden will be their nominee.


And if he is I suspect this will be one of the biggest landslide victories in presidential campaign history! Biden will lose.

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On 03-15-20, GREGORY DEYSS said to DAN CROSS:

You aren't even really a conservative; you're just a
cruel loser who wants to lash out at those who are
better, smarter, and more successful than you.

If you have to brag, then your not even remotely those things.

One of the MANY reasons I rarely if ever exchange conversation with
such a person can be seen in his sentence above. A quick read of it tells
you there is no intelligent life there at all. So why bother?

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On 03-14-20, DAN CROSS said to GREGORY DEYSS:

You're a fool with no morals and no principals.

These two people:


*Made up fake crimes to hurt Donald Trump


*Lied to law enforcement


*Repeatedly lied to the American public


*Are national laughing stocks



Jessie Smollett.....Adam Schiff


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man, not a clueless black man, who was a community organizer.

Ah! It FINALLY comes out! You were just mad that Obama
is black.

Obama is only half-black.





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On 03-19-20, DAN CROSS said to RON LAUZON:

On 18 Mar 2020 at 01:17p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

The "adults" he is referring to are the Leftie elites who, as usual,
think that they know better than everyone else (but really couldn't find their rear end without a guide).

It's ok, there's a tweet for every occasion!

Hee's a nice tweet;


`Hi, Nancy. I'm on my way over to sign Trump's acquittal papers. Have you
got any of those fancy gold pens left for me to hand out?' ...Mitch McConnell


Sale on gold impeachment pens; for decoration only. They don't actually work!


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On 20 Mar 2020, TIM RICHARDSON said the following...

It seems to me Biden will be their nominee.

And if he is I suspect this will be one of the biggest landslide
victories in presidential campaign history! Biden will lose.

Nope. Trump barely won the electoral college in 2016 and lost the popular
vote big time. His base is strong and he's lost no support there, but he hasn't brought anyone new to the base.

I'm not saying that he can't win 2020, 2016 proved that anything is possible. But a landslide win? Not going to happen. If there is a landslide it will be in Biden's favor.

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On 20 Mar 2020 at 07:04p, TIM RICHARDSON pondered and said...

Here's a question I saw asked recently about Bernie Sanders, but it also applies to Joe Biden:

If Biden and Sanders think their socialist policies are so good....why didn't they both move to socialist countries instead of becoming millionaires in America?

Maybe because they love their countries and want to make
them better, unlike most right-wingers?

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On 20 Mar 2020 at 07:11p, TIM RICHARDSON pondered and said...

And if he is I suspect this will be one of the biggest landslide
victories in presidential campaign history! Biden will lose.

Yeah, I think not, unless the right-wingers and their
enablers steal the election by declaring some kind of
emergency. But after seeing just how badly Trump has
fumbled the COVID-19 response, one wonders just how
ignorant and cruel one has to be to vote for that man.

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On 20 Mar 2020 at 07:20p, TIM RICHARDSON pondered and said...

One of the MANY reasons I rarely if ever exchange conversation with
such a person can be seen in his sentence above. A quick read of it tells you there is no intelligent life there at all. So why bother?

Well, you really OWNED ME, Cletus. You talk about
people in the third person without engaging them often?

Lack of intelligence, indeed.

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On 20 Mar 2020 at 08:07p, TIM RICHARDSON pondered and said...

You're a fool with no morals and no principals.

These two people:
*Made up fake crimes to hurt Donald Trump

Nope.

*Lied to law enforcement

Huh?

*Repeatedly lied to the American public

You mean Trump?

It'll just disappear like a miracle?
It's all under control?
Cases are close to zero and going down?

*Are national laughing stocks

You mean Trump?

Jessie Smollett.....Adam Schiff

You're not very smart, are you?

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On 20 Mar 2020 at 08:28p, TIM RICHARDSON pondered and said...

Obama is only half-black.

I see. So that makes Gregory's racism somehow tolerable?

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On 20 Mar 2020 at 08:49p, TIM RICHARDSON pondered and said...

Hee's a nice tweet;

`Hi, Nancy. I'm on my way over to sign Trump's acquittal papers. Have you got any of those fancy gold pens left for me to hand out?' ...Mitch McConnell

Derp Derp. Har har. Good one, Cletus! You really owned that 'lib!
Hyuk hyuk hyuk *cough* *cough* man, Cletus, I ain't feelin' so good.
*cough* *cough* Must be that cold Rush was talkin' about... durr durr...
Good thing it's just 'em liberals making a big deal out of nothin'.
Trump done told me it'd go away like a miracle! *cough* *cough*

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Hello, TIM RICHARDSON.
On 3/20/20 7:04 PM you wrote:

Fuck the election, put Biden in charge now.

Here's a question I saw asked recently about Bernie Sanders, but
it also applies to Joe Biden: If Biden and Sanders think their
socialist policies are so good....why didn't they both move to
socialist countries instead of becoming millionaires in America?

Here's a question for you:

How do you feel about the socialist policies being put in place to prop up the capitalist economy?



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Hello Dale,

What will be needed is field hospitals, using tents as rooms.
And converting hospital beds to ICU beds. Otherwise, it will
be a lost cause.

I saw in the news tonight that a county in Washington state is
converting an empty soccer field into a 200 bed hospital. More of that
sort of thing will be needed (but that is not all that is needed by any >means).

Whatever works. Not just outdoor or indoor places that can be
used as hospitals, but also the need for more doctors, nurses, and
other health care professionals. Plus the masks, gowns, etc. they
need to work with.

To give you an idea as to how many test kits are available,
just look at the numbers. The state of Louisiana has four and
a half million people. The highest number of tests it has been
able to do is 172. A total of 669 tests over 7 days.

Look at total tested and total cases -

Total tested - 805 over 8 days
Total positive - 347 over 8 days

That is rate fast approaching 50%.

That sounds like they are only testing people who are already showing
signs of infection.

There are not enough tests anywhere. Which means this approach
is deeply flawed. Not only that, but testing only those who are
showing symptoms gives a false number of who and where the most
numbers of infections are.

The only way to find out where the most number of infections
are occurring is to have random samples around the country, with
samples taken from everyone regardless of who is and who is not
already showing signs of infection.

South Korea tested 200,000+ people while the USA tested less
than 1,000. That is how far behind the curve the USA is. The
state of Louisiana is in the same boat as all other states.

However, because the state of New York has more test kits, it
can test more people. And it is testing only those who are showing
signs of infection. Therefore, the numbers of reported positives
are higher in New York state than anywhere else in the country.

Larry Brilliant explains this in an interview in "Wired" magazine.

Think about how many folks who have the coronavirus who
have never been tested. And might never get tested.

In some areas of mass testing in Europe, about half of the people who
tested positive showed no symptoms.

The novel coronavirus is a new virus. That means nobody in this
world of 7.8 billion people has immunity. Pandemics end when the
virus does not have enough susceptible people to infect.

What happens is when enough people get the bug there just aren't
enough susceptible people to keep the bug going.

A vaccine is at least 18 to 24 months away. If a vaccine can
be found. It usually takes about 10 years to find a vaccine, if
a vaccine can be found. Many viruses mutate, which is why even
two years may be wishful thinking.

Three things need to have happened in order for this pandemic
to end, according to Brilliant.

* We need to figure out whether this virus looks like an iceberg
- 1/7th above the water - or a pyramid, where we see the whole thing.

* We have a treatment that works, a vaccine or antiviral.

* Most important - we begin to see large numbers of people -
especially nurses, doctors, policemen, firemen, and teachers
who have the disease - are immune, and have tested them to
know. And we have a system that identifies them - a concert
wristband or a card with photo and some kind of stamp on it.

The virus is an equal opportunity infector.

We need to be certified safe.

Cannot buy or sell without the number and/or mark of the beast.

--Lee

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Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

No, I think not. You're immoral. You're a liar.

The Left always projects their own faults on others.

I bet you proclaim yourself to be a "Christian" too,
right?

Nope. Not even close.

How many of your relatives are on the public
dole, and how many are chronic substance abusers?

Zero. How many of yours?

Then why did you respond?

Because I find it fun to wind Lefties up and listen to them whine.

It's people like you, yes, you specifically, who
got us into this mess with a reality TV star for
a president. Good job!

Thank you! Record unemployment. Record prosperity. (At least until their Chinese Flu hit.)

Right-wing "thought" at its "best". Tell me,
where'd the racist go?

The racists became Democrats. Actually, the racists were always Democrats.


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Gary Ailes wrote to TIM RICHARDSON <=-

Nope. Trump barely won the electoral college in 2016 and lost the
popular vote big time. His base is strong and he's lost no support
there, but he hasn't brought anyone new to the base.

Ah, yes the "popular vote" argument. There's a big reason why we don't elect the President via popular vote.
Research why the Electorial College was created in the first place to see why.

But here's the tl;dr:
If the President was elected by popular vote, then the areas that have large population concentration (think New York, (maybe) California) would effectively elect the President.
The Electorial College system was created so that the President needed to have WIDE SPREAD support across the WHOLE country.

Hilary certainly didn't have that support (especially calling most of those people "deplorables") so she lost.

It's also why Trump will win in 2020. Easily.

I'm not saying that he can't win 2020, 2016 proved that anything is possible. But a landslide win? Not going to happen. If there is a landslide it will be in Biden's favor.

*Laugh* It's obvious that Biden is in early stage dementia. He's already disqualified to run.

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Maybe because they love their countries and want to make
them better, unlike most right-wingers?

I think you meant to say "unlike most left-wingers".

Places like Venesuela and California are failing due to LEFT WING policies.

Of course, the Lefties won't want to admit that.

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On 22 Mar 2020 at 08:49a, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

It's people like you, yes, you specifically, who
got us into this mess with a reality TV star for
a president. Good job!

Thank you! Record unemployment. Record prosperity.

All gone now. But I bet you'll cash your socialist
check when it comes.

Right-wing "thought" at its "best". Tell me,
where'd the racist go?

The racists became Democrats. Actually, the racists were always Democrats.

I meant specifically the right-winger who was posting
here earlier. You know, the racist one? He might take
exception to you calling him a democrat.

Ron Lauzon writes:

The racists became Democrats. Actually, the racists were always Democrats.

Ron Lauzon also writes:

(At least until their Chinese Flu hit.)

So...you're saying you are a democrat?

But we know you're cool with Americans dying.

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On 22 Mar 2020 at 09:04a, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

Maybe because they love their countries and want to make
them better, unlike most right-wingers?

I think you meant to say "unlike most left-wingers".

No, I mean right-wingers. People who support Trump hate
America. It's that simple.

Places like Venesuela and California are failing due to LEFT WING policies.

California is failing? Ok. LOL.

Only stupid people fail to recognize that "not right-wing"
does not mean "Venezuelan dictatorships."

Of course, the Lefties won't want to admit that.

You're not very intelligent, are you?

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Am 17 Mar 20 01:05:23 schrob Ryan Fantus an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
<Re: Pandemic>

Coronavirus is anywhere from 10-30x as deadly and spreads much more
easily than the flu. The panic is necessary to contain it.

So, from now on you suggest panicking every year? The Corona virus is not going
to disappear.
For Influenza, people in Germany can get free inoculations, only 35% of the elder people (>60 years) come to get it, among pregnant women the ratio is as low as 11%. At the canteen, they put up a desinfectant dispenser and I can see a lot of people putting some on their hands, but I've never seen anyone doing it properly.



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Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

No, I mean right-wingers. People who support Trump hate
America. It's that simple.

You see, there's most of your problem. You are stuck in your little bubble where all "good" people are. You seem to think that if someone isn't in that same bubble that they must be totally evil. In this case, non-Leftie must mean ignorant racists so-called "right wing" groups (who, interestingly, have much more in common with you Lefties).

California is failing? Ok. LOL.

It's no surprise. You ignore the homelessness, the companies and middle-class fleeing the state, the 3rd world diseases, etc. because they don't match your narrative.

Only stupid people fail to recognize that "not right-wing"
does not mean "Venezuelan dictatorships."

You're not very intelligent, are you?

When a Leftie resorts to personal attacks instead of arguments, it means he has lost and refuses to accept it.


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Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

All gone now. But I bet you'll cash your socialist
check when it comes.

I won't be getting one. I'm still working and I'll be working for the forseeable future.

You see, unlike Lefties, I'm actually competant.

I meant specifically the right-winger who was posting
here earlier. You know, the racist one? He might take
exception to you calling him a democrat.

And why do you think I care? The Republicans don't want him. But based on the people Bernie has hired in his election campign, the Dems don't mind one bit.

But we know you're cool with Americans dying.

Americans die every day. There's nothing I can do about that.

But with the death rates of COVID-19 approaching flu levels, it will be interesting to see what happens in the next 2 weeks.

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I'm still drinking my Cajun vodka, knowing it will keep
me safe from harm. Since I started drinking that stuff I
cannot remember the last time I had a virus ...

I just picked up Western Son Vodka made in the state of Texas.
I drink the stuff straight, I could, but mainly use it for mixed drinks.
I'm the bartender at our summer get togethers and parties.
Waiting for this PITA covid-19 to run it's course so that all of us can get back to normal.

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On 19 Mar 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

The cognitive dissonance is so strong that they just
cannot see how incompetent he is. What happened to
that racist Trump Train guy? I suppose he scurried
away to some dark corner of the Internet once he outed
himself as just being motivated for his hatred of a
man's skin. But that he can support this obvious
failure, this blatant con-man, and say with a straight
face that he prefers a "businessman" (who has failed
just about every business he's tried!) is an amazing
case study in willful ignorance.

I did not scurry anywhere.
When this is all over and the invisible enemy has been defeated.
America will be smashing through the gate containing her.
All you people creating and peddling this rhetoric are going to look mighty foolish.

Louisiana has a US Representative (Clay Higgins) who
is trying to imitate Trump with the coronavirus the "Chinese virus"

China is the origin.

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On 24 Mar 2020 at 12:49p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

No, I mean right-wingers. People who support Trump hate
America. It's that simple.

You see, there's most of your problem. You are stuck in your little bubble where all "good" people are. You seem to think that if someone isn't in that same bubble that they must be totally evil. In this case, non-Leftie must mean ignorant racists so-called "right wing" groups
(who, interestingly, have much more in common with you Lefties).

LOL. Ok, Boomer. You were the one screeching about left-leaning
people hating Trump.

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On 24 Mar 2020 at 12:53p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

All gone now. But I bet you'll cash your socialist
check when it comes.

I won't be getting one. I'm still working and I'll be working for the forseeable future.

You see, unlike Lefties, I'm actually competant.

Oh that's funny. Competent at what, precisely?

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On 22 Mar 2020 at 08:46a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

Waiting for this PITA covid-19 to run it's course so that all of us can get back to normal.

That ain't happenin', Cletus. We're headed for a recession at
a minimum because your incompetent dear leader is a paper tiger
lacking any sort of substance.

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On 23 Mar 2020 at 08:06a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

I did not scurry anywhere.

Lie.

When this is all over and the invisible enemy has been defeated.
America will be smashing through the gate containing her.

Her? Who are you talking about?

All you people creating and peddling this rhetoric are going to look mighty foolish.

Riiight. Dear Leader is sending his sheeple back to work
by Easter because it's only 1% of the population that will
die and it's ok to sacrifice the grands on the alter of the
Dow Jones.

You people are despicable. You have no morals or conscience.

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Richard Falken wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

I suspect we are getting there. Lots of Spanish politicians are getting it. I suspect that the reason why we know it is because politicians are taking the test, and everybody else isn't.

Most of us are going to get it over time. The good news is that the majority of us won't get very sick and will naturally get better. The better news is that once that happens, herd immunity kicks in and naturally controls it.

The bad news is that many people will need the drugs and some will die. But that's flu season with slightly different numbers.

And for those Leftie fear mongers:
According to the news last night (so going by YOUR Leftie media numbers), the mortality rate is 1.42% in the U.S.
We are grossly underreporting cases - partly because lack of testing, mostly because people are naturally fighting it off. Therefore the 1.42% is much lower. Experts say by a factor of 7.
That puts the mortality rate at 0.2%. Far less than the WHO's number of 4%.

What worries me is what authorities will try to sacrifice trying to contain the virus.

Yes, that's my worry as well.

The longer this economic shutdown continues, the more small businesses that will not come back.

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Gerhard Strangar wrote to Ryan Fantus <=-

So, from now on you suggest panicking every year? The Corona virus is
not going to disappear.
For Influenza, people in Germany can get free inoculations, only 35% of the elder people (>60 years) come to get it, among pregnant women the ratio is as low as 11%. At the canteen, they put up a desinfectant dispenser and I can see a lot of people putting some on their hands,
but I've never seen anyone doing it properly.

Really? Only 35% of them get the flu shot?

Wow. I got my first flu shot when I was in college. My grandparents took me along with them because the city was giving them out for free. That year, I was one of the few who didn't get hit with the flu.

After that, I've always get my flu shot and I've never been sorry.

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Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

I did not scurry anywhere.
When this is all over and the invisible enemy has been defeated.
America will be smashing through the gate containing her.
All you people creating and peddling this rhetoric are going to look mighty foolish.

They already do. Trump approval numbers are up again. Media trust numbers are down again.

Does anyone other than the Lefties actually listen to the Media anymore?

Louisiana has a US Representative (Clay Higgins) who
is trying to imitate Trump with the coronavirus the "Chinese virus"

China is the origin.

I never did like the way the Media wanted to call it the "bat flu". I mean, come on, that's like dissing Batman. And you don't want to mess with someone who identifies as a bat. 8)


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Dan Cross wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

That ain't happenin', Cletus. We're headed for a recession at
a minimum because your incompetent dear leader is a paper tiger
lacking any sort of substance.

I thought we are heading for a recession because Dems and Republicans put off their vacation, stayed in Washington and hammered out a relief bill. Then Pelosi returns from her vacation and says "No."

One thing is for certain, the Dems are going to take a huge beating in the election this year.

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Dan Cross wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

Riiight. Dear Leader is sending his sheeple back to work
by Easter because it's only 1% of the population that will
die and it's ok to sacrifice the grands on the alter of the
Dow Jones.

Ah, yes. The new addition to the Narrative: If you don't want to kill the economy, you must want to kill people.

I keep wondering where you were when the flu killed all those people.

You people are despicable. You have no morals or conscience.

Social Justice Warriors always project.

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On 26 Mar 2020 at 11:15a, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...


You're a liar and a coward.

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Re: Re: Pandemic
By: Ron Lauzon to Richard Falken on Thu Mar 26 2020 10:19 am

I suspect we are getting there. Lots of Spanish politicians are getting it. I suspect that the reason why we know it is because politicians are taking the test, and everybody else isn't.

Most of us are going to get it over time. The good news is that the majority of us won't get very sick and will naturally get better. The better news is that once that happens, herd immunity kicks in and naturally controls it.

That is more or less what I suspect will happen. I don't bet a vaccine will show up soon enough to cut this crap short.

But until it happens, it sucks. I mean, I have insider information that some Spanish hospitals are not taking old people in. If you show up with sympthoms, they tell you to go to your house. If your are very bad, they tell you to go to your house and die there.

Like that.

At least the US is provisioning stadiums and the like for making campaign hospitals. Our disease management consists in blaming the prime minister we had before for the budget cuts in welfare while miss-managing the resources available now.

The Spanish government bought a big pile of COVID-19 test kits that resulted to be chinesse counterfeits. The Spanish government asked for personal protection equipment (masks, respirators) to firms, and failed to pay them in time with money that is available, so somebody else bought the equipment instead of us. Meanwhile we have lots of doctors and nurses that are working with insufficient equipment, and nobody but politicians is getting tested.

There are doctos who are symthomatic, and everybody knows they are infected, but since there is no official confirmation and no sense of responsibility, they put them to work anyway.

I am sorry I am so sour, but it is depressing. The subject popped up in certain web forum I am active in which has a No Politics rule, and moderators essentially started punishing people who disliked the current management of the situation while allowing everybody who supports the current policies to spread their crap.

Re: Re: Pandemic
By: Ron Lauzon to Gerhard Strangar on Thu Mar 26 2020 10:41 am

Really? Only 35% of them get the flu shot?

I think it is even lower in Spain.

There are lots of stats about how effective flu shots are supposed to be, but I am always a bit weary of those. The shots available are usually for a very reduced range of virus sub-types, I think, and you can very well get the shot and then get one of the flus that was not covered :-) So if you are at risk then it is good to take it, I guess, but I am not very optimistic regarding results.

Hello Dan,

I did not scurry anywhere.

Lie.

There is no place to run or hide.
The virus is an equal opportunity infector.

When this is all over and the invisible enemy has been defeated. >GD>America will be smashing through the gate containing her.

Her? Who are you talking about?

Lady Liberty. Given to us by France.

All you people creating and peddling this rhetoric are going GD>to look

mighty foolish.

Riiight. Dear Leader is sending his sheeple back to work
by Easter because it's only 1% of the population that will
die and it's ok to sacrifice the grands on the alter of the
Dow Jones.

Dear Leader has declared himself as being a "wartime" president.

Gotta protect the stock portfolios of those who contribute
to his cause, rather than protect the American people from all
enemies, both foreign and domestic.

You people are despicable. You have no morals or conscience.

Look on the bright side. The USA is now #1, having replaced
Italy (which has a death rate of over 10%) as having the highest
number of cases and dead.

--Lee

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Hello Ron,

I suspect we are getting there. Lots of Spanish politicians are getting >RF>it. I suspect that the reason why we know it is because politicians are >RF>taking the test, and everybody else isn't.

Most of us are going to get it over time.

About 80% will get infected within the first 3 years.
The other 20% will also get infected, but later.
Unless a vaccine is found and administered before then.
In combination with limited immunity (herd immunity).

The good news is that the majority of us won't get very sick and will
naturally get better.

Everybody who catches the virus is weakened to some extent.
Some even die.

The better news is that once that happens, herd immunity kicks in and
naturally controls it.

Getting the virus (and surviving) does not guarantee any kind
of immunity. An infected person who survives can get re-infected.
Natural immunity is a weakened immunity, not a vaccine. Only some
of whom were infected will get a natural immunity. Once enough
infected people (survivors) have gained a natural immunity then
there is a herd immunity within that geographic area, enough so
that the virus is unable to spread further in that area.

Natural immunity is not a vaccine, but rather a weakened immunity
that loses its effectiveness over time. That is why both herd immunity
and a vaccine are needed in order to overcome the threat this virus
poses.

The bad news is that many people will need the drugs and some will die. But
that's flu season with slightly different numbers.

This is not the flu. There are no drugs that work. There is
no vaccine. The coronavirus is highly contagious, much more so
that the seasonal flu.

And for those Leftie fear mongers:

According to the news last night (so going by YOUR Leftie media numbers),
the mortality rate is 1.42% in the U.S.

The death rate in Italy is over 10%.
The death rate in the USA (as of today) is higher than
what it is in Italy.

Want some numbers?

The number of cases in Italy is 2000 cases per million,
with a death rate of over 10%. Italy has a total population
of 60 million people. Do the math.

The number of cases in the USA is now 2000 cases per million,
with a death rate of over 10%. The USA has a total population
of 330 million people. Do the math.

Numbers per day -

681,000 cases per day at 10% death rate for USA = ???
That is the number the USA will reach as calculated for April 12.
The day The Orange One wants everybody to return to work.

We are grossly underreporting cases - partly because lack of testing, mostly
because people are naturally fighting it off. Therefore the 1.42% is much lower. Experts say by a factor of 7. That puts the mortality rate at 0.2%.
Far less than the WHO's number of 4%.

I have no earthly clue as to where, or how, you are coming up
with the numbers you just wrote. Maybe you are making it all up,
as The Orange One has a habit of doing. Which probably explains
why both NBC and CNN have tuned him out whenever he gives a press
conference.

What worries me is what authorities will try to sacrifice trying to >RF>contain the virus.

Yes, that's my worry as well.

China was unable to contain the virus, even with help from the
rest of the world. Now it is everywhere, except (presumably)
Antarctica. But since most people are not equipped to live in
ice, the survivors of this virus (if any) will be very few.

The longer this economic shutdown continues, the more small businesses that
will not come back.

Businesses, both small and large, cannot exist without people.

--Lee

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Hello Ron,

So, from now on you suggest panicking every year? The Corona virus is >GS>not going to disappear.
For Influenza, people in Germany can get free inoculations, only 35% of >GS>the elder people (>60 years) come to get it, among pregnant women the >GS>ratio is as low as 11%. At the canteen, they put up a desinfectant >GS>dispenser and I can see a lot of people putting some on their hands, >GS>but I've never seen anyone doing it properly.

Really? Only 35% of them get the flu shot?

Wow. I got my first flu shot when I was in college. My grandparents took
me
along with them because the city was giving them out for free. That year, I >was one of the few who didn't get hit with the flu.

After that, I've always get my flu shot and I've never been sorry.

There is no vaccine for the novel coronavirus.
There are no antiviral drugs for the novel coronavirus.
The novel coronavirus is a new virus, meaning that nobody
in the entire world of 7.8 billion people has any immunity
to the virus. IOW, we are all gonna fucking die. Some
of us sooner than others. But each and every one of us
will die - man, woman and child.

--Lee

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Hello Ron,

I did not scurry anywhere.
When this is all over and the invisible enemy has been defeated. >GD>America will be smashing through the gate containing her.
All you people creating and peddling this rhetoric are going to look >GD>mighty foolish.

They already do. Trump approval numbers are up again. Media trust numbers
are down again.

Does anyone other than the Lefties actually listen to the Media anymore?

NBC and CNN no longer air Trump's press conferences.
And no "lefties" worth their salt would bother watching FoxNews.

Louisiana has a US Representative (Clay Higgins) who
is trying to imitate Trump with the coronavirus the "Chinese virus"

China is the origin.

I never did like the way the Media wanted to call it the "bat flu". I mean,
come on, that's like dissing Batman. And you don't want to mess with
someone who identifies as a bat. 8)

Italy has a death rate of 10% due to coronavirus, the virus
that causes COVID-19. But Italy is no longer #1, that title now
having been taken by the good ol' US of A. Aren't you so proud
of The Leader of the Free World?

--Lee

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Hello Dan,

You're a liar and a coward.

Be careful.
He is a true believer.
Has an unlimited supply of free (orange flavor) kool-aid.

--Lee

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Am 26 Mar 20 10:41:00 schrob Ron Lauzon an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
<Re: Pandemic>

Really? Only 35% of them get the flu shot?

That's what the Statistisches Bundesamt (federal bureau of statistics) says. I think I don't need to translate that:

https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/541191/umfrage/impfquote-fuer-influenza-grippe-in-deutschland/

"Die Influenza-Impfquote von ueber 60-Jaehrigen belief sich in der Saison 2016/17 bundesweit auf 34,8 Prozent."




Tschoe mit Oe
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Am 27 Mar 20 01:36:13 schrob Lee Lofaso an Ron Lauzon zum Thema
<Pandemic>

to the virus. IOW, we are all gonna fucking die. Some
of us sooner than others.

We surely are, but not because of Corona. The chance to die because of a heart disease is about 25%, cancer is another 20%.



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Re: Pandemic
By: Gerhard Strangar to Lee Lofaso on Fri Mar 27 2020 08:40:18

to the virus. IOW, we are all gonna fucking die. Some
of us sooner than others.

We surely are, but not because of Corona. The chance to die
because of a heart disease is about 25%, cancer is another 20%.

birth is a death sentence and the chance of dieing is 100% ;)


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Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

You're a liar and a coward.

And Social Justice Warriors still always project.


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Richard Falken wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

That is more or less what I suspect will happen. I don't bet a vaccine will show up soon enough to cut this crap short.

You're right. A vaccine won't show up. We do have treatments that are showing to be effective - hydrocholoquinine (probably spelled that wrong) is showing itself to be effective as a pre-treatment as well as a post-treatment.

All we can really do is keep the health system from being overloaded. But I think we are getting close to that right now.

But until it happens, it sucks. I mean, I have insider information that some Spanish hospitals are not taking old people in. If you show up
with sympthoms, they tell you to go to your house. If your are very
bad, they tell you to go to your house and die there.

Ya, socialized medicine is bad.

At least the US is provisioning stadiums and the like for making
campaign hospitals. Our disease management consists in blaming the
prime minister we had before for the budget cuts in welfare while miss-managing the resources available now.

The finger pointing and blame game are happening everywhere.

The bad thing is that will prevent an honest post-problem evaluation from happening so that we can put plans in place to mitigate future pandemics.

My wife and I just watched a 10 year old presentation about this topic. It was made partly in response to the 2009 bird flu pandemic. The interesting take aways were:
1. Most of these epidemics were caused by domestication of animals. They have the diseases and by domesticating them, they were able to pass them on to us. But we developed immunity to those diseases and moved on to...
2. The next wave of diseases was caused by the industralization of the domestic animal products. We keep the animals bunched u too tightly and the new variations of the old diseases spread fast - and spread to us.

The presentation (and we respect the doctor giving it) made a good case for going vegetarian.

I am sorry I am so sour, but it is depressing. The subject popped up in certain web forum I am active in which has a No Politics rule, and moderators essentially started punishing people who disliked the
current management of the situation while allowing everybody who
supports the current policies to spread their crap.

Don't be sorry. This is depressing for everyone.

I get my hearly flu shot and keep healthy, like many people. I'm lucky in that I'm still working, but many people aren't. And the stock market tanked, so retirement funds are getting hit.

All the "leaders" can do is point fingers at the other guy and try to blame someone else.

I take it as reality smacking us hard to teach us a lesson. With any luck, we will learn something from this and be better next time.

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Richard Falken wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

Really? Only 35% of them get the flu shot?

I think it is even lower in Spain.

There are lots of stats about how effective flu shots are supposed to
be, but I am always a bit weary of those. The shots available are
usually for a very reduced range of virus sub-types, I think, and you
can very well get the shot and then get one of the flus that was not covered :-) So if you are at risk then it is good to take it, I guess,
but I am not very optimistic regarding results.

They make it clear that's it's not 100%. They try to figure out what strain is going to hit this year and make the shot for that. But if they are wrong, the shot is worthless.

But so far, I've had good luck. No flu for years now. But, then, I'm a computer geek, so social distancing is the norm. 8)


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Gerhard Strangar wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

We surely are, but not because of Corona. The chance to die because of
a heart disease is about 25%, cancer is another 20%.

Yup. That's about right.

One of the things I learned seeing all of my grandparents pass away is that I have a high risk of dying of the same thing.
Every year, we get better at fixing these things, but then something else gets you.

My great-grandpa had high blood pressure and kidney issues.
My grandpa took medication for that, so he died of other issues.
My mom is doing things to avoid those issues.

Lucky me is doing many things to avoid of those outcomes (plus the things my dad died of).

So I'm not afraid of COVID-19 in the least.

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On 28 Mar 2020 at 09:42a, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

You're a liar and a coward.

And Social Justice Warriors still always project.

Funny, pretty sure I didn't see your lying ass
on either Parris Island or on Afghanistan. But
by all means, keep on lying, coward.

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On 03-28-20 09:57, Ron Lauzon <=-
spoke to Richard Falken about Re: Pandemic <=-

We do have treatments that are showing
to be effective - hydrocholoquinine (probably spelled that wrong) is showing itself to be effective as a pre-treatment as well as a post-treatment.

I don't think that there is evidence of that other than a few antedotal
cases. Those drugs have yet been subjected to a trial study to see if
they are effective and what the side effects might be.

All we can really do is keep the health system from being overloaded.
But I think we are getting close to that right now.

In some areas the health system is well pass being overloaded.

The bad thing is that will prevent an honest post-problem evaluation
from happening so that we can put plans in place to mitigate future pandemics.

We had exactly such a planning group, installed by the Obama
administration. However, since it was an Obama thing -- Trump killed
it.

I take it as reality smacking us hard to teach us a lesson. With any luck, we will learn something from this and be better next time.

See above.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)



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Dale Shipp wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

I don't think that there is evidence of that other than a few antedotal cases.

Then you need to keep up on information not from Leftie "news" sources.

We had exactly such a planning group, installed by the Obama administration. However, since it was an Obama thing -- Trump killed
it.

Right... If it was an Osama...er... Obama thing, it was useless and deserved to go. But the whole "Trump defunded the CDC" narrative has already been debunked as fake news.


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On 30 Mar 2020 at 03:01p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

Then you need to keep up on information not from Leftie "news" sources.

Lies.

We had exactly such a planning group, installed by the Obama administration. However, since it was an Obama thing -- Trump killed it.

Right... If it was an Osama...er... Obama thing, it was useless and deserved to go.

Does it hurt to be this stupid?

But the whole "Trump defunded the CDC" narrative has
already been debunked as fake news.

Lies. Liar Ron gonna lie.

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Hello Ron,

I suspect we are getting there. Lots of Spanish politicians are getting >RF>it. I suspect that the reason why we know it is because politicians are >RF>taking the test, and everybody else isn't.

Most of us are going to get it over time. The good news is that the
majority
of us won't get very sick and will naturally get better. The better news is >that once that happens, herd immunity kicks in and naturally controls it.

You have absolutely no idea as to what you are talking about.
Totally clueless. But then, neither does the thing in the oval
office.

https://www.sciencealert.com/why-herd-immunity-will-not-save-us- from-the-covid-19-pandemic


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Does it hurt to be this stupid?

This is a liberal tactic to call what you understand as stupid, or perhaps
you think you understand and like to consider yourself more educated to discredit another point of view.

I do not think Ron is stupid or uneducated, he is more spot on then you
realize but then again he probably does not watch CNN or PMS-NBC.
(of which is why his mind is not mush)

The left portrays themselves as arrogant, but what it is really is ignorance.

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On 30 Mar 2020 at 09:39p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

Ah, the racist is back.

Does it hurt to be this stupid?

This is a liberal tactic to call what you understand as stupid, or
perhaps you think you understand and like to consider yourself more educated to discredit another point of view.

When someone says something stupid, over and over again,
and they refuse to be corrected, over and over again, then
either they're willfully ignorant, or stupid. Really,
that's a distinction without a difference.

I do not think Ron is stupid or uneducated, he is more spot on then you realize but then again he probably does not watch CNN or PMS-NBC.
(of which is why his mind is not mush)

He's a liar, as are you. Seriously, why do you guys hate
America so much? Why the rejection of science? Why the
adulation of the orange wannabe in the White House?

The left portrays themselves as arrogant, but what it is really is ignorance.

Go ahead; tell me where I'm wrong. Be specific. I'll
wait.

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Seriously, though; how are you not embarrassed by this
stupid little graphic?

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On 31 Mar 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

On 30 Mar 2020 at 09:39p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

Ah, the racist is back.

Back? what makes you believe that? The fact that I call a spade a spade.
Why do you have a problem with me calling the first black President a moron. (the worst President in American History) There are other words that I could call him but those words would be considered as racist, I am not so I
wouldn't use those. I voted for him the first time around, so you're wrong again but that is nothing new.

Does it hurt to be this stupid?

This is a liberal tactic to call what you understand as stupid, or perhaps you think you understand and like to consider yourself more educated to discredit another point of view.

When someone says something stupid, over and over again,
and they refuse to be corrected, over and over again, then
either they're willfully ignorant, or stupid. Really,
that's a distinction without a difference.

Wrong because why, because you said so?

I do not think Ron is stupid or uneducated, he is more spot on then y realize but then again he probably does not watch CNN or PMS-NBC. (of which is why his mind is not mush)

He's a liar, as are you. Seriously, why do you guys hate
America so much? Why the rejection of science? Why the
adulation of the orange wannabe in the White House?

Our actions are far from hating America. You continue to have it backwards.

The left portrays themselves as arrogant, but what it is really is ignorance.

Go ahead; tell me where I'm wrong. Be specific. I'll
wait.

Let's compare what the community organizer did while H1N1 happened.
Did not declare it National Emergency - until 10 mo
Did not shut down the borders.
Did not put forth a travel ban.
Many people died when they did not need to, if these provisions were used it would of saved lives.

Lets compare what the Business Man has done while COVID-19
When it was discovered that one American Citizen had covid-19
Did install a travel ban from China, which saved lives.
Did install a second ban from Europe, which continued to save lives.
Has the best advisors, Doctors, and medical professionals providing the best information.

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Seriously, though; how are you not embarrassed by this
stupid little graphic?

I am glad you "enjoy" it so much.
My BBS is Capital Station BBS - Capital Station meaning having to do with trains, so it makes perfect sense. Would it annoy you less if the third box said something else?
You're only one, in fidonet who has a problem with this, as of this
moment.

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According to Rush Limbaugh, who you've admitted you
listen to, it's just the common cold. So what's the
big deal?

Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer; why not check him out once in a while? He's not always right, and not all conservatives are following his advice. Rush's commentary is as good as mine.

But right-wingers can't understand that, because they lack

I don't know where you're from, but I don't see these "right-wingers"
anywhere. Everyone except the liberal media is thrilled with the economy (before the virus.) The only thing democrats don't like about the strong economy is that there's a Republican who helped ignite it.

Why hate? Why choose sides over generalizations? If a democrat did anything
to help the USA instead of his or herself, I'd give them credit for it. Why
are democrats and/or liberals so reluctant to do the same for republicans?

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Re: Re: Biggest Crash Ever!
By: Aaron Thomas to Dan Cross on Tue Mar 31 2020 18:55:28

But right-wingers can't understand that, because they lack

I don't know where you're from, but I don't see these "right-wingers" anywhere.

the ones going around shouting about "liberals" and "lefties" *are* the right-wingers... yourself included... if you weren't, you'd be carrying on about both, left-wingers and right-wingers, as well as both, liberals and conservatives... trump is definitely not in the center and if you are 98% with trump as you say, then you are a right-winger and conservative ;)


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Hello Dale,

We do have treatments that are showing
to be effective - hydrocholoquinine (probably spelled that wrong) is >RL>showing itself to be effective as a pre-treatment as well as a >RL>post-treatment.

I don't think that there is evidence of that other than a few antedotal >cases. Those drugs have yet been subjected to a trial study to see if
they are effective and what the side effects might be.

Zinc, in combination with chloroquine, has been rumored to be
effective. How effective is unknown (or unstated).

Chinese studies have suggested the use of chloroquine shortens
the length of time for the disease to run its course, say four days
rather than ten or eleven. Side effects were not mentioned, and
only a small sample of patients were treated with this approach.

The use of zinc is the new sensation these days. A DIY approach,
allowing folks at home to "immunize" themselves from the virus by
taking these vitamins ahead of time so that if they catch the bug
the worst that can happen will be to suffer mild effects.

Just be sure to avoid zinc oxide, as it is impossible to absorb.
And never take over 40mg in a single day, otherwise bad things can
happen. Including loss of smell.

All we can really do is keep the health system from being overloaded. >RL>But I think we are getting close to that right now.

In some areas the health system is well pass being overloaded.

That's where zinc as a dietary supplement comes in.
Zinc picolante has the best absorbtion rate, and is inexpensive.
Can be found almost everywhere, including online.

The bad thing is that will prevent an honest post-problem evaluation >RL>from happening so that we can put plans in place to mitigate future >RL>pandemics.

We had exactly such a planning group, installed by the Obama
administration. However, since it was an Obama thing -- Trump killed
it.

Time to self-medicate. Hospitals all filled up. Not enough
ventilators. Not even enough test kits to know who is or is not
infected.

I take it as reality smacking us hard to teach us a lesson. With any >RL>luck, we will learn something from this and be better next time.

See above.

Well, we can only die once.

--Lee

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Hello Greg,

Ah, the racist is back.

Back? what makes you believe that? The fact that I call a spade a spade.
Why do you have a problem with me calling the first black President a moron. >(the worst President in American History) There are other words that I could >call him but those words would be considered as racist, I am not so I >wouldn't use those. I voted for him the first time around, so you're wrong >again but that is nothing new.

Barack Obama was half-white and half-black, just like Captain
James T. Kirk in one episode of Star Trek. Some folks liked the
white version more than the black version. Others liked the black
version more than the white version. But neither Barack Obama nor
James T. Kirk liked the combined version, each choosing to ditch
one side for the other. So, who is the real racist?

DC> GD> DC> Does it hurt to be this stupid?
DC> GD>
DC> GD> This is a liberal tactic to call what you understand as stupid,
or
DC> GD> perhaps you think you understand and like to consider yourself more
DC> GD> educated to discredit another point of view.
DC>
DC> When someone says something stupid, over and over again,
DC> and they refuse to be corrected, over and over again, then
DC> either they're willfully ignorant, or stupid. Really,
DC> that's a distinction without a difference.

Wrong because why, because you said so?

A heavyweight boxer does not have to be smart to pack a mighty punch.

DC> GD> I do not think Ron is stupid or uneducated, he is more spot on then y
DC> GD> realize but then again he probably does not watch CNN or
PMS-NBC.
DC> GD> (of which is why his mind is not mush)
DC>
DC> He's a liar, as are you. Seriously, why do you guys hate
DC> America so much? Why the rejection of science? Why the
DC> adulation of the orange wannabe in the White House?

Our actions are far from hating America. You continue to have it backwards.

Just because many are deluded does not equate to meaning they hate
America. Even Trump himself loves America, deluded as he is.

DC>
DC> GD> The left portrays themselves as arrogant, but what it is really
is
DC> GD> ignorance.
DC>
DC> Go ahead; tell me where I'm wrong. Be specific. I'll
DC> wait.

Let's compare what the community organizer did while H1N1 happened.

List of accomplishments -

Aside from keeping America safe, too many to name.

Did not declare it National Emergency - until 10 mo
Did not shut down the borders.
Did not put forth a travel ban.
Many people died when they did not need to, if these provisions were used it
would of saved lives.

SARS was in 2009, and MERS later. SARS is 85% similar to what
the coronavirus (COVID-19) is. Why did Big Pharma refuse to work
towards finding a vaccine in 2009? Several coronaviruses have
since emerged, including the present coronavirus that causes
COVID-19. Fortunately, the Obama administration (with help from
the rest of the world) was able to contain the SARS epidemic, as
well as MERS. However, the Trump administration chose to treat
the current coronavirus as a joke, and never took the threat
seriously, until it became epidemic here in the USA.

Lets compare what the Business Man has done while COVID-19

He has done nothing, until too late.

When it was discovered that one American Citizen had covid-19
Did install a travel ban from China, which saved lives.
Did install a second ban from Europe, which continued to save lives.
Has the best advisors, Doctors, and medical professionals providing the best
information.

And yet Trump insists all is well and wants to re-open the economy
thus allowing the coronavirus to run wild and unchecked until every
man, woman and child in the USA has been infected or dead.

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Gregory
DC> GD> / 00????00'-¿Ç??00???00??¿Ç??00??00??¿Ç??00?00??¿Ç???00????????00???
DC>
DC> Seriously, though; how are you not embarrassed by this
DC> stupid little graphic?

I am glad you "enjoy" it so much.
My BBS is Capital Station BBS - Capital Station meaning having to do with >trains, so it makes perfect sense. Would it annoy you less if the third box >said something else?
You're only one, in fidonet who has a problem with this, as of this
moment.

Trains. The perfect vehicle to transport folks so those who are
infected can infect others, while always staying within the borders
of the USA. With Governor Cuomo in charge of the state, and Mayor
de Blasio in charge of NYC, there may not be any more safe places
left.

--Lee

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On 01 Apr 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Greg,

Barack Obama was half-white and half-black,

He never did refer did refer to himself as half black and half white.
I do not care that he associated himself as a black man. To me he was a candidate that I voted for the first time he ran for office of the Presidency. I voted for him not because he was a black man but because I thought he do a good job, based what I was hearing from him and about him. I did not vote for him during his second term, as I did not see the hope and change within the first 4 years. It had nothing to do with the color of his skin.

Wrong because why, because you said so?

A heavyweight boxer does not have to be smart to pack a mighty punch.

That might be true, I wouldn't refer to Dan as a heavyweight, more like a featherlight class.

SARS was in 2009, and MERS later. SARS is 85% similar to what
the coronavirus (COVID-19) is. Why did Big Pharma refuse to work
towards finding a vaccine in 2009? Several coronaviruses have
since emerged, including the present coronavirus that causes
COVID-19. Fortunately, the Obama administration (with help from
the rest of the world) was able to contain the SARS epidemic, as
well as MERS. However, the Trump administration chose to treat
the current coronavirus as a joke, and never took the threat
seriously, until it became epidemic here in the USA.

I was not talking about SARS, but that is another good example where Obama failed as well. I was talking about H1N1 or as Biden would say the N1H1...

LL> >Lets compare what the Business Man has done while COVID-19
He has done nothing, until too late.

Upon the first American to infected. What did the President did was locked
down travel from China, then later to Europe.

What were the Democrats doing this time? They were Impeaching the President.

And yet Trump insists all is well and wants to re-open the economy
thus allowing the coronavirus to run wild and unchecked until every
man, woman and child in the USA has been infected or dead.

Wrong. There parts of the U.S. where the COVID-19 is under control and yet other places where a lot more caution is deemed necessary such NYC and Washington State.

Trains. The perfect vehicle to transport folks so those who are
infected can infect others, while always staying within the borders
of the USA. With Governor Cuomo in charge of the state, and Mayor
de Blasio in charge of NYC, there may not be any more safe places
left.

Non-Sense - there are more than enough seats to practice social distancing.

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On 03-31-20 08:03, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dan Cross about Re: Pandemic <=-

Back? what makes you believe that? The fact that I call a spade a
spade. Why do you have a problem with me calling the first black President a moron. (the worst President in American History) There are

He certainly was neither of those things. Polls easily rank him in the
top 20 if not the top 10 -- while rating Trump in the bottom five or
even worse.

Lets compare what the Business Man has done while COVID-19
When it was discovered that one American Citizen had covid-19
Did install a travel ban from China, which saved lives.

And also declared that since he was doing such an excellent job, it
would all be over in a few weeks.

Did install a second ban from Europe, which continued to save lives.
Has the best advisors, Doctors, and medical professionals providing
the best information.

Which until the last week or two, he has ignored. Example -- He
recently said, "we can stop social distancing and go back to work by mid
April and crowd churches for Easter Sunday". Look how that turned out.

Almost 900 people died today (March 31), more than 4000 so far. And yet
he still has not done what needs to be done to slow the upward graph of
deaths, e.g. mandated social distancing and stay at home. In his news conferences he talks about how many masks and ventilators have been
made, but the hospitals in critical need have not gotten them. The
military has thousands they could distribute but no one has given
directions as to where they should go (Should be HHS job or FEMA job).

Trump is finally talking the good talk, but judge him by what he gets
done and not what he says.

Dale Shipp
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The cognitive dissonance is so strong that they just
cannot see how incompetent he is. What happened to

Incompetent at what? Being an epidemic expert?

How would liberals react if Trump completely closed down the country, took power away from governors, and mandated that all citizens remain on their own property until a solution to the virus could be found? Will that make liberals happy, or will they complain that "the president is over-reacting?"

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dan Cross <=-

I don't know where you're from, but I don't see these "right-wingers" anywhere.

Keep in mind that Dan is in the far left. He thinks he's middle, but he's not even close. So anyone who isn't left is "far right" to him.

Everyone except the liberal media is thrilled with the
economy (before the virus.) The only thing democrats don't like about
the strong economy is that there's a Republican who helped ignite it.

Sort of. The Democrats have been creating "urban plantations" for a while now.
Areas where people are dependant on their hand outs, so they always vote for them.

A good economy also provides them less power: since they can't pick the winners and losers anymore (and, therefore, can't get their bribes).

Why hate? Why choose sides over generalizations? If a democrat did anything to help the USA instead of his or herself, I'd give them
credit for it. Why are democrats and/or liberals so reluctant to do the same for republicans?

Because the Narrative is "we are good, everyone else is bad" and the Narrative is always true - no matter what the facts are.

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Gregory Deyss wrote to Dan Cross <=-

This is a liberal tactic to call what you understand as stupid, or
perhaps you think you understand and like to consider yourself more educated to discredit another point of view.

One of the things that I have noticed is how many people think they are better than everyone else. And if we'd only let them control our lives, then Utopia would ensue.

We've seen too many dictators with the same idea and they all failed in the exactly the same way. Of course, I was in school before the Left ruined them and revised history.

I do not think Ron is stupid or uneducated, he is more spot on then you realize but then again he probably does not watch CNN or PMS-NBC.
(of which is why his mind is not mush)

Thank you.

The left portrays themselves as arrogant, but what it is really is ignorance.

The Democrats are not the "party of the people or working class". They have become the party of the elites. They seem to think that they know what's best for everyone and if you don't accept that idea then you must be "stupid".

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Dan Cross wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

When someone says something stupid, over and over again,
and they refuse to be corrected, over and over again, then
either they're willfully ignorant, or stupid. Really,
that's a distinction without a difference.

Curb your elitism.

You presume to be more intelligent than me. You have not shown that. And every time you use the term "stupid" and "liar", you are simply proving that you aren't nearly intelligent as you think you are.

He's a liar, as are you. Seriously, why do you guys hate
America so much? Why the rejection of science? Why the
adulation of the orange wannabe in the White House?

We love America. That's why we don't want the Lefties remaking it in their image. Every country that has tried that has failed horribly - for exactly the same reasons.

Gloming on to the one "scientific" paper that proves your point, while ignoring the hundres that disprove your point is not "science". Pointing this out is not "ignoreing" science either.

And we don't adore Trump. Many of us have issues with what he's doing. But we've seen the alternatives and he's way better - as he's proven.

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Gregory Deyss wrote to Dan Cross <=-

Our actions are far from hating America. You continue to have it backwards.

You know, reading that made me think of the book "1984" by Orwell.

"War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength."

It's a scary thought that we might be living "1984" right now.


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the ones going around shouting about "liberals" and "lefties" *are* the right-wingers... yourself included... if you weren't, you'd be carrying

It's unproductive to be too "far" on either side, but it's also unproductive
to be pessimistic or to have a sour attitude towards a man just because of
his downstate accent or because of how many chicks he's nailed.

What makes me far-right? I love Trump's policies - I'm a huge supporter
- but that doesn't mean I support ALL of his policies from a to z or that I support everything other republicans do from a to z. In my opinion, this is
why it's unfair to call me "the far right."

I'll call you a liberal because you dislike Trump so much; it's a clear sign that you fit in the liberal category. However, I won't call you "far-left" until I see you protesting in the streets demanding that the nation convert
to vegan.

The media, though, is totally the far-left. Like Lee said, ABC News cuts Trump's daily briefings off because they want to try to trick people into thinking the briefings are politically motivated - you ever heard the expression "those who accuse others are guilty themselves?"

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Because the Narrative is "we are good, everyone else is bad" and the Narrative is always true - no matter what the facts are.

I think CNN was covering a story on koalah bear cubs while senate dems were asking for the removal of wind-turbines in the coronavirus bill.

Then later in the day they had a headline that read "the president's stalled coronavirus bill finally gets signed into law" like it was the president's fault.

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On 04-01-20 00:00, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Pandemic <=-

And yet Trump insists all is well and wants to re-open the economy
thus allowing the coronavirus to run wild and unchecked until every
man, woman and child in the USA has been infected or dead.

Wrong. There parts of the U.S. where the COVID-19 is under control and
yet other places where a lot more caution is deemed necessary such NYC
and Washington State.

Really -- where is it under control?

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On 02 Apr 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 04-01-20 00:00, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Pandemic <=-

And yet Trump insists all is well and wants to re-open the economy thus allowing the coronavirus to run wild and unchecked until every man, woman and child in the USA has been infected or dead.

Wrong. There parts of the U.S. where the COVID-19 is under control an yet other places where a lot more caution is deemed necessary such NY and Washington State.

Really -- where is it under control?

There are counties within states that have no COVID-19.
I remain that confident that we will get through this.

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On 31 Mar 2020 at 06:55p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

According to Rush Limbaugh, who you've admitted you
listen to, it's just the common cold. So what's the
big deal?

Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer; why not check him out once in a while? He's not always right, and not all conservatives are following his
advice. Rush's commentary is as good as mine.

Why would I? His "entertainment" is at best puerile and
immature. At worst, he's actively harmful by spreading
misinformation.

But right-wingers can't understand that, because they lack

I don't know where you're from, but I don't see these "right-wingers" anywhere. Everyone except the liberal media is thrilled with the economy (before the virus.) The only thing democrats don't like about the strong economy is that there's a Republican who helped ignite it.

I know a lot of economists. They universally agree that
we are headed for a long recession, if not depression.
Further, the acuity of unemployment claims underlies the
truth about Trump's numbers: they were illusory. Under-employed,
low-wage service sector jobs cut down on the rate, but
weren't indicators of economic strength or security.
A 2% growth rate was hardly "booming".

Further, it baffles me that you right-wing types still
talk about "before the virus" like that's a thing. Had
Trump taken the virus seriously instead of golfing or
holding rallies, perhaps we could have staved off the
worse of the economic damage. But he didn't.

Why hate? Why choose sides over generalizations? If a democrat did anything to help the USA instead of his or herself, I'd give them credit for it. Why are democrats and/or liberals so reluctant to do the same
for republicans?

They're not. They just see the truth.

My metric is this: there are objective indicators of
fact in this world; things that are measurable in
scientifically and statistically sound ways. When one
party aligns most closely with those things most often
and the other does the opposite, I tend to believe the
ones who align with fact over those who align with
"alternative fact."

The Republicans and the right-wing live in a fantasy
world built on lies. But reality doesn't care about
your belief system; reality just is.

Again, we see reality sweeping away the facade of the
right-wing lie factory.

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On 01 Apr 2020 at 12:48p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

The cognitive dissonance is so strong that they just
cannot see how incompetent he is. What happened to

Incompetent at what? Being an epidemic expert?

Umm...more like incompetent at everything he tries.

How would liberals react if Trump completely closed down the country,
took power away from governors, and mandated that all citizens remain on their own property until a solution to the virus could be found? Will
that make liberals happy, or will they complain that "the president is over-reacting?"

IF it were done in accordance to a data-driven
policy recommendation backed by actual experts, I
imagine most would accept it as the inevitable
response to an out-of-control pandemic that was
allowed to gain a foothold in the first place
because it wasn't taken seriously by government.

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On 01 Apr 2020 at 12:29p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

Dan Cross wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

When someone says something stupid, over and over again,
and they refuse to be corrected, over and over again, then
either they're willfully ignorant, or stupid. Really,
that's a distinction without a difference.

Curb your elitism.

You presume to be more intelligent than me. You have not shown that.
And every time you use the term "stupid" and "liar", you are simply proving that you aren't nearly intelligent as you think you are.

Oh, ok snowflake. Need a safe space from the big bad
left-leaning liberal meanie on Fidonet?

You buy into a fantasy world of lies spun for you by
objectively incompetent idiots. What more evidence
do I need that you are willfully ignorant?

He's a liar, as are you. Seriously, why do you guys hate
America so much? Why the rejection of science? Why the
adulation of the orange wannabe in the White House?

We love America. That's why we don't want the Lefties remaking it in their image. Every country that has tried that has failed horribly -
for exactly the same reasons.

You hate America. You can't stand its freedoms nor
that it is a society FOR the people and BY the people.
Those people are starting to not be like YOU anymore,
and it scares you. But instead of embracing change
and trying to weave a new American tapestry, you'd
rather set it on fire. Pathetic.

Oh, and have you ever been to Europe? Denmark is pretty
nice, you know.

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On 01 Apr 2020 at 12:29p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

Gloming on to the one "scientific" paper that proves your point, while ignoring the hundres that disprove your point is not "science".
Pointing this out is not "ignoreing" science either.

Haha yeah; that's not what's happening. If you had any
scientific literacy you'd understand that. But that's
a red state education for ya'.

And we don't adore Trump. Many of us have issues with what he's doing. But we've seen the alternatives and he's way better - as he's proven.

"One day -- like a miracle --- it'll disappear."

Yah, he's proven what he is, all right. And that's an
utter failure.

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On 03 Apr 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

On 31 Mar 2020 at 06:55p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

According to Rush Limbaugh, who you've admitted you
listen to, it's just the common cold. So what's the
big deal?

Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer; why not check him out once in a whil He's not always right, and not all conservatives are following his advice. Rush's commentary is as good as mine.

Why would I? His "entertainment" is at best puerile and
immature. At worst, he's actively harmful by spreading
misinformation.

Entertainment?
Entertain this...
He has donated $3 Million dollars to Tunnel to Towers Foundation.
with the sale of his Betsy Ross T-Shirts 100% of the proceeds going to the Tunnel to Towers Foundation.
He has earned his Presidential Metal of Freedom.

What have you done, next to nothing?

Again, we see reality sweeping away the facade of the
right-wing lie factory.

Keep Sweeping, and missing your target.

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immature. At worst, he's actively harmful by spreading
misinformation.

He's as bad as Saturday Night Live, I suppose.

Trump taken the virus seriously instead of golfing or
holding rallies, perhaps we could have staved off the

Trump isn't god. He's doing a job to the best of his ability. Have you
noticed that no national leader in the world "staved it off?"

Have you noticed that Nancy Pelosi cares more about trying to make the president look bad then she does about any sort of legislation?

Let's create a committee to investigate Trump's handling of the coronavirus instead of doing jack about the coronavirus. Do I sound like one of your
heroes now?

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Incompetent at what? Being an epidemic expert?

Umm...more like incompetent at everything he tries.

Uh... nice generalization.

their own property until a solution to the virus could be found? Will that make liberals happy, or will they complain that "the president i over-reacting?"

IF it were done in accordance to a data-driven
policy recommendation backed by actual experts, I

Too technical! How much science does it really take? No human on the earth is an epidemic expert. What's the final word on all that "policy recommendation backed by actual experts?" You think people who want foodstamps for nuthin'
and their liquor for free care about "policy recommendation backed by actual experts?"

You're going nowhere with your excuse for having Trump Derangement Syndrome. You've got it as bad as Nancy Pelosi - please tell me you're not a
member of congress?

Xanax my brother - it will help you.

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"One day -- like a miracle --- it'll disappear."

Optimism is a good quality.

Yah, he's proven what he is, all right. And that's an
utter failure.

Pessimism is what drives failure.

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On 04-02-20 07:50, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-

Wrong. There parts of the U.S. where the COVID-19
is under control an
yet other places where a lot more caution is
deemed necessary such NY
and Washington State.

Really -- where is it under control?

There are counties within states that have no COVID-19.

And what about the counties around them? The fact that they do not yet
have verified infections of covid-19 does not mean that they will not
get them, or that they may not already have untested infections. It
will not be under control anywhere until it is under control everywhere.

It cannot be said that it is under control until after the infection has
hit, and then beaten.

I remain that confident that we will get through this.

Of course we will get through this -- but at a high cost, both in human
life and economically. The cost would have been less if we, as a
nation, had acted sooner -- but we did not and are now paying the price.

Dale Shipp
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On 03 Apr 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 04-02-20 07:50, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-

Wrong. There parts of the U.S. where the COVID-19
is under control an
yet other places where a lot more caution is
deemed necessary such NY
and Washington State.

Really -- where is it under control?

There are counties within states that have no COVID-19.

And what about the counties around them? The fact that they do not yet have verified infections of covid-19 does not mean that they will not
get them, or that they may not already have untested infections. It
will not be under control anywhere until it is under control everywhere.

It cannot be said that it is under control until after the infection has hit, and then beaten.

If the virus does not yet exist within a particular county and people stay
home then it is probable that will never exist there and hence control will
be maintained.
Optimism and positivism instead of the opposite.

DS> GD> I remain that confident that we will get

through this. DS>

Of course we will get through this -- but at a high cost, both in human life and economically. The cost would have been less if we, as a
nation, had acted sooner -- but we did not and are now paying the price.

January is when he acted with the travel ban, what where the Democrats doing this time, they were trying to still impeach the President during this time.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

I think CNN was covering a story on koalah bear cubs while senate dems were asking for the removal of wind-turbines in the coronavirus bill.

Then later in the day they had a headline that read "the president's stalled coronavirus bill finally gets signed into law" like it was the president's fault.

And some people wonder why CNN ratings are poor (and still falling).

I've given up on the "news". We don't have news anymore.

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