On 27 Dec 2019, TIM RICHARDSON said the following...

On 12-26-19, GREGORY DEYSS said to DALE SHIPP:

On 26 Dec 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

You sound very much like the Wizard of Oz, the guy pulling levers, behi GD>the curtain, proclaiming there is nothing to see here.

What is wrong with the President asking about what really happened ther GD>Nothing, because it is written within the U.S. Constitution that he mus

That did not stop the Democrats, from impeaching the President based up GD>that inquiry, w/ what was said within the phone call with that nations GD>leader. Normally at the back-end of an impeachment there are evident GD>crimes that are known but at the end of this impeachment there are no GD>crimes that were committed by the President that would indicate the rea GD>why he was impeached. No crimes what so ever.

Pelosi is withholding the articles of impeachment from the Senate for a number of good reasons of her own.

Right many reasons indeed.
She knows it will backfire w/ short proximity fuse, as it will not only blow up in her face, but may remove the face she is currently wearing.
Her political career would be over and it would also send equal shock waves through the Democratic party.

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On 12-27-19 08:35, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-

There is, but you are putting the exact opposite spin on what happened
and WHY. It was done as an official policy of the US Government and our
allies. It was not done for any individual's personal gain.

That is a pack of bullshit! Joe Biden's son was involved in a company under investigation by a prosecutor who was rooting out the corruption
of the company Hunter Biden was getting paid big money by. Joe Biden effectively shut that investigation down by threatening the Ukranian government with the withholding of a billion dollars in American aid if
it did not fire the prosecutor handling the case.

Joe Biden did not shut down any investigation of Burisma. The
prosecutor that he had fired had already done that.

Not even you are so stupid as to think there's nothing wrong there!

And Joe Biden himself proved verbally, in that same incriminating statement he made ON camera, that Hussein Obama was just as guilty!

Guilty of fighting corruption in Ukraine. Yes. But not of what you are saying. OTOH, the only corruption that Trump wanted investigated was
the Russian false story that the interference in the 2016 election came
from Ukraine and not from Russia. Putin told Trump that and Trump
believed it. That and trying to resurrect the dead story of the Bidens.

Dale Shipp
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On 12-27-19 09:08, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-

Plus....getting to the Senate would be a much different situation than
in front of the democrat-controlled committees in the House; in the
Senate it would be much like a courtroom trial. presided over by the
Chief Justice.

The democrat `house managers' would be the prosecutors, and Trump is entitled to a legal team who can cross examine democrat witnesses; call witnesses of their own; present their own evidence; etc.

We can only hope that will happen. Anything short of that would be a
sham.

They do not have one single fact witness. Only hear-say witnesses, and
a pack of academics who's best contribution was out-right Trump hate!

There were numerous witnesses who testified in open hearings, including
several who were there when the call was made. They are not hear-say witnesses. All of the fact based witnesses were career employees and
testified to things based on their direct knowledge.

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a lawyer! Not to mention a crack cocaine user!

I suspect that cocaine consumption is the #1 reason why Democrats protect the rights of human traffickers. It hurts for a person to think that the drug they're addicted to is being canceled.

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aaron thomas wrote to TIM RICHARDSON <=-

I suspect that cocaine consumption is the #1 reason why Democrats
protect the rights of human traffickers. It hurts for a person to think that the drug they're addicted to is being canceled.

I *knew* there was a reason!

I always liked the theory of all that leaded gas used in cars in cities damaged the brains of the people living there causing them to vote Democrat.


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Hello Greg,

Pelosi is withholding the articles of impeachment from TR>the Senate for

a number of good reasons of her own.

Right many reasons indeed.

"We cannot name manageers until we see what the process
is on the Senate side." ~Speaker Pelosi, 12/18/2019, NYT

See there? She is waiting on Moscow Mitch. Same as
everybody else.

She knows it will backfire w/ short proximity fuse, as it will not only blow
up in her face, but may remove the face she is currently wearing.

From the looks of things, she does not seem to be in a big
rush to do anything at all. Except wait for Moscow Mitch to
inform her what the process will be on the Senate side.

Her political career would be over and it would also send equal shock waves
through the Democratic party.

You see how this works. Kind of like a giant game of chicken.
Now, remember where she is from. That's right. The same place
as Dirty Harry.

Your hero thought she was bluffing when she pulled out her
weapon of choice, daring her to "Make my day, punk!" So she
pulled the trigger, showing him who was really boss.

Moscow Mitch thinks he can save his beloved by refusing to play.
But Speaker Pelosi has the guts to play hardball, upping the anté
by telling him, in effect, "We'll be glad to send you the Articles
of Impeachment. But we'd like you to do us a favor first."

Now the ball is in his court. The longer he waits, the worse
it will be for himself, his accomplices in the Senate, and his
dearly beloved (the critter occupying the White House).

I guess he forgot the Senate has no control over what the House
does. And I am not sure the House has any control over what the
Speaker does. In any event, if the Senate changes the rules to
schedule a trial, they can have a trial whether or not the House
presents the articles.

Whether or not Speaker Pelosi wants the Senate to proceed without
the House's involvement is a different matter. She may not care
at all what Mitch McConnell and his cronies do or do not do. In
fact, she does not *HAVE* to do anything just because the Senate
says so.

Speaker Pelosi has dropped a dead skunk in the lap of Moscow Mitch,
and she is letting it sit there to rot, being in no hurry to rescue
any of them.

Speaker Pelosi is still Speaker. And the Democrats still control
the House. The House can continue investigating, and passing
additional articles of impeachment. Maybe two or three at a time,
for each impeachment. That way, even if Moscow Mitch gets his
beloved off on Impeachment #1, there will be Impeachment #2, and
Impeachment #3, etc., until the voters make a change this November.

--Lee

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On 29 Dec 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Your hero thought she was bluffing when she pulled out her
weapon of choice, daring her to "Make my day, punk!" So she
pulled the trigger, showing him who was really boss.

Trying to make Pelosi sound like Eastwood, interesting...

Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebel's hidden...

I find you're lack of faith disturbing Lee.

The only reason why Nancy did this, was to quiet the howling rabid dogs,
that are the extreme left within the Democratic Party.

Now she must deal with the consequences, and just like the Emperor who got thrown down the shaft, Nancy will take her place at the bottom of this shaft
as well, the Presidential authority will see her fail and show the country
just how much of a spectacle she is.

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Hello Greg,

Your hero thought she was bluffing when she pulled out her
weapon of choice, daring her to "Make my day, punk!" So she
pulled the trigger, showing him who was really boss.

Trying to make Pelosi sound like Eastwood, interesting...

The president was trying to imitate "Dirty Harry" Callahan.
Speaker Pelosi showed him what a true punk she was, and made
his day.

Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader.

Darth Vader was a good guy. A bit misguided, but a good guy.

Your devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the
stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebel's hidden...

Jedi are evil.

I find you're lack of faith disturbing Lee.

Like I said, Jedi are evil.

The only reason why Nancy did this, was to quiet the howling rabid dogs,
that are the extreme left within the Democratic Party.

Speaker Pelosi is not the one who is holding up the trial.
Nor is it any of the Democrats, in either the House or the Senate.

Now she must deal with the consequences,

She is not the one who is facing charges.

and just like the Emperor who got thrown down the shaft, Nancy will take her
place at the bottom of this shaft as well,

Nobody seems to be challenging Speaker Pelosi for her job.

the Presidential authority will see her fail and show the country
just how much of a spectacle she is.

The president has no control over anything the House does.
Separation of powers, as outlined in the US Constitution, means
your dear boy can do nothing, absolutely nothing, to intimidate
Speaker Pelosi, or any other law-abiding member of Congress.

Which goes to show you how weak Republicans are, never challenging
the president on anything, regardless of what illegal acts he does,
or attempts to do.

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On 31 Dec 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Greg,

Speaker Pelosi is not the one who is holding up the trial.
Nor is it any of the Democrats, in either the House or the Senate.

She rushed the vote and now has cold feet, because she knows that hell will
be unleashed upon her party. They should of taken my advice and stopped this sham and saved a little bit face, now it's too late.
Justice and complete vindication is coming for Donald Trump.

She is not the one who is facing charges.

I am so glad you brought that up, the operative word is yet, as in she is not yet facing charges yet. Trump is not facing any changes, whatsoever, go ahead make my day and use the mighty internet, look far and wide across the network, you will not find any crimes that Trump has committed that are conclusive with his impeachment. You wanna know why that is, because there are none, therefore this impeachment is sham. Your gal Peolsi was caught saying for the public record that they have been in the impeachment for 2 years now, someone should tell her that the the phone call occurred in July of 2019.

Which goes to show you how weak Republicans are, never challenging
the president on anything, regardless of what illegal acts he does,
or attempts to do.

You have yet to define these 'nameless' illegal acts.
Stop dancing around the issue and tell me what he did irritates you so much besides being elected as the 45th President of the United States. or being born?

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Hello Greg,

Speaker Pelosi is not the one who is holding up the trial.
Nor is it any of the Democrats, in either the House or the Senate.

She rushed the vote and now has cold feet, because she knows that hell will
be unleashed upon her party. They should of taken my advice and stopped
this sham and saved a little bit face, now it's too late.
Justice and complete vindication is coming for Donald Trump.

The president can never be "exonerated" as per his refusal to
turn over documents that were subpoenaed by the House, along with
having kept witnesses from testifying under oath.

She is not the one who is facing charges.

I am so glad you brought that up, the operative word is yet,

Speaker Pelosi cannot be impeached.

as in she is not yet facing charges yet.

Members of Congress cannot be impeached.

Trump is not facing any changes,

* abuse of power
* obstruction of Congress

whatsoever,

Two articles of impeachment have been passed by the House.
So far. There may be more forthcoming. Depending on the mood
of the Speaker.

go ahead make my day and use the mighty internet, look far and wide across
the network, you will not find any crimes that Trump has committed that are conclusive with his impeachment.

Two articles of impeachment have been passed by the House.
You can read both of them online. At no cost.

You wanna know why that is, because there are none, therefore
this impeachment is sham.

I found two articles of impeachment, the full text of each
online for all to read. Are there any more I should know about?

Your gal Peolsi was caught saying for the public record that they have been
in the impeachment for 2 years now, someone should tell her that the the phone call occurred in July of 2019.

I'm sure she was just Biden her time, not being in a rush ...

Which goes to show you how weak Republicans are, never challenging
the president on anything, regardless of what illegal acts he does,
or attempts to do.

You have yet to define these 'nameless' illegal acts.

He is guilty as charged, having violated his oath of office.

Stop dancing around the issue and tell me what he did irritates you so much
besides being elected as the 45th President of the United States. or being born?

He is destroying our Republic. By his own actions.

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On 01 Jan 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Greg,

The president can never be "exonerated" as per his refusal to
turn over documents that were subpoenaed by the House, along with
having kept witnesses from testifying under oath.

The President will be "exonerated" when wins in November of this year.
2020 is the year of Trump, get on board the Trump Train or get crushed and dragged from underneath it.

The house is a joke, not allowing for any cross-examination from the
Republican side, denying Due process at every turn, and you wanna talk what Trump did?

Stop dancing around the issue and tell me what he did irritates you so mu
besides being elected as the 45th President of the United States. or bei born?

He is destroying our Republic. By his own actions.

Your vision of the Republic is not our vision.
It is that simple and it is also noteworthy to point out what that means so that there is no misunderstanding.

We meaning I as well as other Patriots.
Believe in America where it is "America First."
This means there is a serious contrast in what we Believe In and how we define success vs what you think most these ideals are opposite from one other.

Our vision does not take planes from our skies.
It does not involve ridiculous Green New Deals.
It does not involve blaming America or apologizing throughout the world for
our Nations interests that are vital to Our Security.
It does not involve removing or disarming citizens right to arms.
It does not involve socialism of any kind, look around throughout the world where this was tried it has ended in starvation and misery for it's people.

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Hello Greg,

The president can never be "exonerated" as per his refusal to
turn over documents that were subpoenaed by the House, along with >LL>having kept witnesses from testifying under oath.

The President will be "exonerated" when wins in November of this year.

Not to worry. Amy will save us. Or Elizabeth. Or even Mayor Pete.
Fact is, every single Democrat running for the Democratic nomination,
is capable of winning the general election. And that includes Tulsi.

2020 is the year of Trump, get on board the Trump Train or get crushed and
dragged from underneath it.

2020 is perfect vision, made possible by us all this coming November.

The house is a joke, not allowing for any cross-examination from the >Republican side, denying Due process at every turn, and you wanna talk what
Trump did?

Trump violated his oath of office, and deserves to be tossed out.

Stop dancing around the issue and tell me what he did irritates you so

mu

besides being elected as the 45th President of the United States. or bei >LL>>born?

He is destroying our Republic. By his own actions.

Your vision of the Republic is not our vision.

Truth, liberty and justice for all is what I believe in.
Truth, liberty and justice is what most others also believe in.
If that makes me a bad guy, then I am in good company.

It is that simple and it is also noteworthy to point out what that means so
that there is no misunderstanding.

Please don't tell me you are Superman. Lois Lane would be
so disappointed.

We meaning I as well as other Patriots.
Believe in America where it is "America First."
This means there is a serious contrast in what we Believe In and how we
define success vs what you think most these ideals are opposite from one other.

Superman never kills. According to the original creators.
But America has changed from the days Superman ruled the comics.
Even the creators of Superman have changed, making Superman a
cold-blooded killer rather than a defender of "Justice, Liberty,
and the American way."

Our vision does not take planes from our skies.
It does not involve ridiculous Green New Deals.
It does not involve blaming America or apologizing throughout the world for
our Nations interests that are vital to Our Security.
It does not involve removing or disarming citizens right to arms.
It does not involve socialism of any kind, look around throughout the world
where this was tried it has ended in starvation and misery for it's people.

Separating children from their parents is okay? Locking people
(including children) in cages is okay? Denying refugees asylum
is okay? Building a senseless wall that protects no one is okay?
Water boarding of prisoners (or enemy combatants) is okay? Making
deals with foreign leaders to find dirt on political opponents is
okay? I can go on and on listing stuff this miscreant has done
in office. Far better to remove him from office now before we
all run out of cyberink.

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On 01-01-20 08:43, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-

The house is a joke, not allowing for any cross-examination from the Republican side, denying Due process at every turn, and you wanna talk what Trump did?

The Republicans had ample opportunity to ask questions of the witnesses,
both in the closed sessions and in the open sessions. That sounds like cross-examination to me -- why not to you? Also, due process was not
denied in the hearings any more than a typical grand jury hearing, which
is essentially what the House was doing.

Our vision does not take planes from our skies.

Where do you get the idea that anyone's vision includes that?

It does not involve ridiculous Green New Deals.

It should involve some measures to combat man-made contribution to
climate change -- but it does not. That is to the detriment of the
planet and future generations.

It does not involve blaming America or apologizing throughout the
world for our Nations interests that are vital to Our Security.

But it does involve putting political favors above our national
security.

It does not involve removing or disarming citizens right to arms.

It should involve removing weapons of mass distruction from civilian
hands, but it does not seem to do even that.

It does not involve socialism of any kind, look around throughout the world where this was tried it has ended in starvation and misery for
it's people.

That is a pretty broad statement. What do you think medicare and social security are if not a mild form of socialism?

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Hello Dale,

[..]

They do not have one single fact witness. Only hear-say witnesses, and >TR>a pack of academics who's best contribution was out-right Trump hate!

There were numerous witnesses who testified in open hearings, including >several who were there when the call was made. They are not hear-say >witnesses. All of the fact based witnesses were career employees and >testified to things based on their direct knowledge.

How many Republicans voted in favor of article 1
(abuse of power)?

How many Republicans voted in favor of article 2
(obstruction of Congress)?

Article 1 was passed by a vote of 230-197.
Article 2 was passed by a vote of 229-198.

No Republicans voted against their lord and savior, Donald Trump.

So ...

What does it matter how many witnesses who testify in open hearings?
Even if they had direct knowledge of what happened, or if they were
eye witnesses? Facts do not matter when it comes to this bunch, who
have clearly chosen to put party above country.

The Republican party no longer exists as a political party. It
has devolved into something else. Call it Trumpism or whatever else
might come to mind. A cult of personality, with Trump at the helm
for now. What comes next makes me shudder.

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Hello Dale,

[..]

They do not have one single fact witness. Only hear-say witnesses, and >TR>a pack of academics who's best contribution was out-right Trump hate!

There were numerous witnesses who testified in open hearings, including >several who were there when the call was made. They are not hear-say >witnesses. All of the fact based witnesses were career employees and >testified to things based on their direct knowledge.

How many Republicans voted in favor of article 1
(abuse of power)?

How many Republicans voted in favor of article 2
(obstruction of Congress)?

Article 1 was passed by a vote of 230-197.
Article 2 was passed by a vote of 229-198.

No Republicans voted against their lord and savior, Donald Trump.

So ...

What does it matter how many witnesses who testify in open hearings?
Even if they had direct knowledge of what happened, or if they were
eye witnesses? Facts do not matter when it comes to this bunch, who
have clearly chosen to put party above country.

The Republican party no longer exists as a political party. It
has devolved into something else. Call it Trumpism or whatever else
might come to mind. A cult of personality, with Trump at the helm
for now. What comes next makes me shudder.

--Lee

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Trump violated his oath of office, and deserves to be tossed out.

Tossing out presidents sounds easy. Can we toss out US Reps who violate their oaths of office as well? How about state reps? We've got a lot of violations going on throughout the country, but nobody wants to pull their finger out of themselves and smell it; they just want to mindlessly bash the president because it's easy to get praise in doing so.

How is impeaching President Trump going to help the country? Or - is it some other country that you want to see benefit from this?

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On 02 Jan 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Greg,

The president can never be "exonerated" as per his refusal to
turn over documents that were subpoenaed by the House, along with >LL>having kept witnesses from testifying under oath.

The President will be "exonerated" when wins in November of this year.

Not to worry. Amy will save us. Or Elizabeth. Or even Mayor Pete.
Fact is, every single Democrat running for the Democratic nomination,
is capable of winning the general election. And that includes Tulsi.

Here is a bit of history for you.
Donald Trump beat 15+ Republican candidates on a crowded stage to become President.
You think Amy, Elizabeth or Peter have a chance.. I do not see them beating Donald Trump. The Presidential debates last time had me on the edge of my
seat. I can not not wait until they come about again.

2020 is the year of Trump, get on board the Trump Train or get crushed an
dragged from underneath it.

2020 is perfect vision, made possible by us all this coming November.

The house is a joke, not allowing for any cross-examination from the >Republican side, denying Due process at every turn, and you wanna talk wh
Trump did?

Trump violated his oath of office, and deserves to be tossed out.

Stop dancing around the issue and tell me what he did irritates you s

mu

besides being elected as the 45th President of the United States. or >LL>>born?

He is destroying our Republic. By his own actions.

Your vision of the Republic is not our vision.

Truth, liberty and justice for all is what I believe in.
Truth, liberty and justice is what most others also believe in.
If that makes me a bad guy, then I am in good company.

Well there ya go I believe in these things as well, I believe that there is more that binds us then divides us.
Those are not to be slick words, it is genuinely how I feel.


LL>

It is that simple and it is also noteworthy to point out what that means
that there is no misunderstanding.

Please don't tell me you are Superman. Lois Lane would be
so disappointed.

We meaning I as well as other Patriots.
Believe in America where it is "America First."
This means there is a serious contrast in what we Believe In and how we
define success vs what you think most these ideals are opposite from one other.

Superman never kills. According to the original creators.
But America has changed from the days Superman ruled the comics.

How did you get started with this Superman analogy?
Superman has always stood for truth and justice and the American Way.
Come to think of it does has Donald Trump.
Don't take my word for it
https://tinyurl.com/r4o7a6w
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v9kRl_RRZ8
and he will do so again!

Our vision does not take planes from our skies.
It does not involve ridiculous Green New Deals.
It does not involve blaming America or apologizing throughout the world f
our Nations interests that are vital to Our Security.
It does not involve removing or disarming citizens right to arms.
It does not involve socialism of any kind, look around throughout the wor
where this was tried it has ended in starvation and misery for it's peop

Separating children from their parents is okay?

So did Obama, but what type of Parent would drag their children across the desert to risk their health and welfare.
The United States is a sovereign nation and a country of laws.
Want a slice of the American Dream? Come here legally as my family has.
I was born in Troy, New York which is the Home of Uncle Sam.

Making deals with foreign leaders to find dirt on political opponents is okay?

He did not such thing, he went and is going after Biden because at the time
he was VP at the time. There was and there is plenty of funny-business that went on with Biden with his management of Ukraine, while his son profited in the country of Ukraine.

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On 02 Jan 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

The house is a joke, not allowing for any cross-examination from the Republican side, denying Due process at every turn, and you wanna tal what Trump did?

The Republicans had ample opportunity to ask questions of the witnesses, both in the closed sessions and in the open sessions.

No that is not the way this happened.
Remember Adam Schiff is closed door sessions in the basement...
Does that jog your memory? In addition did you watch the hearings that Adam was the chair in, he would not let the republicans a word in edge wise.

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On 02 Jan 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Dale,

[..]

They do not have one single fact witness. Only hear-say witnesses, and >TR>a pack of academics who's best contribution was out-right Trump hate!

There were numerous witnesses who testified in open hearings, including >several who were there when the call was made. They are not hear-say >witnesses. All of the fact based witnesses were career employees and >testified to things based on their direct knowledge.

How many Republicans voted in favor of article 1
(abuse of power)?

How many Republicans voted in favor of article 2
(obstruction of Congress)?

Article 1 was passed by a vote of 230-197.
Article 2 was passed by a vote of 229-198.

Mark my words this vote will come back to haunt them and their political futures.

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On 01-02-20 19:03, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-

The house is a joke, not allowing for any cross-examination from the Republican side, denying Due process at every
turn, and you wanna tal
what Trump did?

The Republicans had ample opportunity to ask questions of the witnesses, both in the closed sessions and in the open sessions.

No that is not the way this happened.

Yes way -- that is exactly what happened.

Remember Adam Schiff is closed door sessions in the basement...

Yes, and the Republicans were there in force and could question the
witnesses. And they did, as confirmed by the transcripts that were
released.

Does that jog your memory? In addition did you watch the
hearings that Adam was
the chair in, he would not let the republicans a word in edge wise.

Every member got their five minutes. If Schiff cut someone off it was
because of their being out of time, or because they were attempting to
violate established procedures, e.g. attempting to expose the
whistleblower's identity in public. The Republicans had just as much
time each as any of the Democrats had.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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Hello Aaron,

Trump violated his oath of office, and deserves to be tossed out.

Tossing out presidents sounds easy.

It is. Just go to the polls, pull the lever, and it's done.
Or in this modern age, punch the screen.

Can we toss out US Reps who violate their oaths of office as well?

Sure. Same procedure. Works wonders.

How about state reps?

Yep.

We've got a lot of violations going on throughout the country, but nobody
wants to pull their finger out of themselves and smell it; they just want
to mindlessly bash the president because it's easy to get praise in doing
so.

Well, the president asked for it. Really. And I do not envy him.
Not at all. He asked for the gig, and we gave it to him. So he has
only himself to blame. Nobody else.

How is impeaching President Trump going to help the country?

It's show biz! Sure beats watching all those Big Pharma ads
on cable television when trying to watch the news. All those
committee hearings, with no commercial breaks, oh the wonder
of it all! Just think of what the upcoming trial will be like!
Commercial free! All day coverage! For an entire month!

Or - is it some other country that you want to see benefit from this?

We have to do this the American Way. That means not a show trial
like they have in North Korea, Iran, or the former Soviet Union.

Have the president himself take the stand as the main witness,
in his own defense. No other witness would be needed. Just think
of the ratings on that one. The president would be given a live
microphone and be allowed to talk for as long as he wanted. The
defense will then rest its case and the jury will render its
verdict.

--Lee

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Hello Greg,

The president can never be "exonerated" as per his refusal to >LL>>LL>turn over documents that were subpoenaed by the House, along with >LL>>LL>having kept witnesses from testifying under oath.

The President will be "exonerated" when wins in November of this year. >LL>

Not to worry. Amy will save us. Or Elizabeth. Or even Mayor Pete. >LL>Fact is, every single Democrat running for the Democratic nomination, >LL>is capable of winning the general election. And that includes Tulsi.

Here is a bit of history for you.
Donald Trump beat 15+ Republican candidates on a crowded stage to become
President.

He was the strongest candidate in that crowded field. I will
grant him that. Of course, it was a very weak field, but still ...

You think Amy, Elizabeth or Peter have a chance..

Not only the gals, and one who thinks he is.

I do not see them beating Donald Trump.

It's too bad Democrats can only nominate one candidate at a time,
as each and every one of them would win in a walk.

The Presidential debates last time had me on the edge of my
seat. I can not not wait until they come about again.

Yeah. President Pence is sure gonna have his hands full with
whatever candidate the Democrats choose to nominate.

[..]

He is destroying our Republic. By his own actions.

Your vision of the Republic is not our vision.

Truth, liberty and justice for all is what I believe in.
Truth, liberty and justice is what most others also believe in.
If that makes me a bad guy, then I am in good company.

Well there ya go I believe in these things as well, I believe that there is
more that binds us then divides us.
Those are not to be slick words, it is genuinely how I feel.

No president is above the law. He swore an oath. He broke it.
It is time for him to leave.

LL> >It is that simple and it is also noteworthy to point out what that means
LL> > that there is no misunderstanding.
LL>
LL> Please don't tell me you are Superman. Lois Lane would be
LL> so disappointed.
LL>
LL> >We meaning I as well as other Patriots.
LL> >Believe in America where it is "America First."
LL> >This means there is a serious contrast in what we Believe In and how we
LL> > define success vs what you think most these ideals are opposite
from one
LL> > other.
LL>
LL> Superman never kills. According to the original creators.
LL> But America has changed from the days Superman ruled the comics.

How did you get started with this Superman analogy?
Superman has always stood for truth and justice and the American Way.

That was true, until recently. The new Superman movies have
Superman killing his enemies, rather than upholding the values
we hold most dear.

Come to think of it does has Donald Trump.

Donald Trump has trashed America and American values.

Don't take my word for it

Anybody with half a brain can see, as plain as daylight, what
this president has done and continues to do.

https://tinyurl.com/r4o7a6w
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v9kRl_RRZ8
and he will do so again!

Take off your blinders and look at the world as it is.

LL> >Our vision does not take planes from our skies.
LL> >It does not involve ridiculous Green New Deals.
LL> >It does not involve blaming America or apologizing throughout the world f
LL> > our Nations interests that are vital to Our Security.
LL> >It does not involve removing or disarming citizens right to arms.
LL> >It does not involve socialism of any kind, look around throughout
the wor
LL> > where this was tried it has ended in starvation and misery for it's peop
LL>
LL> Separating children from their parents is okay?

So did Obama, but what type of Parent would drag their children across the
desert to risk their health and welfare.

It was not until Trump took office that a "zero tolerance" policy
was enacted. We all know how that turned out.

The United States is a sovereign nation and a country of laws.

That used to be true. Once upon a time. But that is no longer true.
What we have today is a far cry from what this country should be, all
because of what the current occupant of the White House has done.

Want a slice of the American Dream? Come here legally as my family has.
I was born in Troy, New York which is the Home of Uncle Sam.

I was born in the swamp. That is home to me.

Making deals with foreign leaders to find dirt on political LL>opponents

is okay?

He did not such thing,

Oh, that's right. He got caught in the act. As a result, he
had to give Ukraine the funds that Congress had allocated, rather
than make the deal with the Ukrainian president (to find dirt on
a political opponent in exchange for those funds).

he went and is going after Biden because at the time he was VP at the time.

The phone call was in 2019, three years after Joe Biden had
left office.

There was and there is plenty of funny-business that went on with Biden with
his management of Ukraine, while his son profited in the country of
Ukraine.

According to Ukraine, neither of the Bidens broke any Ukrainian laws.
Since the matter was already investigated, by Ukraine, and there is no
new evidence, everything is okey dokey.

Now if President Trump wants to have his AG look into the matter,
and have the FBI conduct its own investigation, and have the Senate
subpoena Joe and Hunter Biden, along with whoever else they want,
then have at it. They have the power. All the levers of power to
do whatever the heck they want.

So. Ball is in their court.

Joe Biden, along with his son, are telling them -

"Make our day, punks!" ~Dirty Joe and Dirty Hunter

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Hello Greg,

LL> >TR>They do not have one single fact witness. Only hear-say
witnesses, and
LL> >TR>a pack of academics who's best contribution was out-right Trump hate!
LL> >
LL> >There were numerous witnesses who testified in open hearings, including
LL> >several who were there when the call was made. They are not
hear-say
LL> >witnesses. All of the fact based witnesses were career employees
and
LL> >testified to things based on their direct knowledge.
LL>
LL> How many Republicans voted in favor of article 1
LL> (abuse of power)?
LL>
LL> How many Republicans voted in favor of article 2
LL> (obstruction of Congress)?
LL>
LL> Article 1 was passed by a vote of 230-197.
LL> Article 2 was passed by a vote of 229-198.

Mark my words this vote will come back to haunt them and their political >futures.

Like the House vote to impeach Clinton over a hummer?

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How is impeaching President Trump going to help the country?

It's show biz! Sure beats watching all those Big Pharma ads

But how is impeaching Trump going to help the USA?

Or - is it some other country that you want to see benefit from this?

We have to do this the American Way. That means not a show trial

But is it another country you want to see benefit from the impeachment?

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Donald Trump has trashed America and American values.

I think Donald Trump has trashed far-left liberal values.

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Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

How did you get started with this Superman analogy?
Superman has always stood for truth and justice and the American Way.

You have to ask "Which Superman?" The Superman of our childhood, or the Left-wing Superman of the soon to be defunct DC comics?

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Lee Lofaso wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

Like the House vote to impeach Clinton over a hummer?

I see your grasp of history is well rooted in the Soviet-style.

Clinton was not impeached over a hummer. He was impeached over lying about it.
That's ignoring the fact that such behavior would be a fireable offence in just about every company at the time.

As I read over the Articles of Impeachment of Clinton, they basically can be summed up like this:
He lied. Under oath.
He tried to cover up the lies by doing various things.

So, in effect, they tried to impeach Clinton for being a Democrat. It's no wonder why he wasn't convicted.


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Hello Aaron,

Donald Trump has trashed America and American values.

I think Donald Trump has trashed far-left liberal values.

Bernie Sanders did not vote for GWB's war on Iraq.
He was also the first, if not the only, candidate running
for president who is criticizing Trump for ordering a hit
on an Iranian bad guy in Iraq, as he figures it could lead
to a real shooting war between the US and Iran.

Since Bernie is a Jew, I cannot call him a good Christian.
But he certainly acts as a Christian should.

--Lee

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On 12-28-19, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

On 12-27-19 08:35, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-

There is, but you are putting the exact opposite spin on what happened DS>and WHY. It was done as an official policy of the US Government and our DS>allies. It was not done for any individual's personal gain.

That is a pack of bullshit! Joe Biden's son was involved in a company
under investigation by a prosecutor who was rooting out the corruption
of the company Hunter Biden was getting paid big money by. Joe Biden effectively shut that investigation down by threatening the Ukranian government with the withholding of a billion dollars in American aid if
it did not fire the prosecutor handling the case.

Joe Biden did not shut down any investigation of Burisma. The
prosecutor that he had fired had already done that.

Joe Biden threatened to withhold a billion dollars if the prosecutor who was investigating the corrupt company; on who's board of directors his son Hunter sat and recieved a 60 to 80 thousand a month salary; wasn't fired!


Don't even try to `pretend' that didn't happen....Joe Bden is ON AUDIO/VIDEO doing JUST that!






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On 12-27-19, GREGORY DEYSS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

Pelosi is withholding the articles of impeachment from the Senate for a number of good reasons of her own.

Right many reasons indeed.
She knows it will backfire w/ short proximity fuse, as it will not only GD>blow up in her face, but may remove the face she is currently wearing. GD>Her political career would be over and it would also send equal shock GD>waves through the Democratic party.

I've seen some `law' professors say Trump isn't `impeached' unless and until Pelosi actually delivers the articles of impeachment to the Senate. In fact, one of those leftist `professors' of law who spouted nonsense against Trump in one of Schitts' last hearings, stated that very fact.


Its like a grand jury returning an indictment against someone. And then the DA never prosecutes. If he doesn't prosecute the indictment is meaningless.
Unless and until Pelosi delivers the articles of impeachment to the Senate, Trump ain't `impeached'!


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On 12-28-19, AARON THOMAS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

a lawyer! Not to mention a crack cocaine user!

I suspect that cocaine consumption is the #1 reason why Democrats protect AT>the rights of human traffickers. It hurts for a person to think that the AT>drug they're addicted to is being canceled.

You might have hit it on the head!





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On 01-02-20, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

On 01-01-20 08:43, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-

The house is a joke, not allowing for any cross-examination from the Republican side, denying Due process at every turn, and you wanna talk
what Trump did?

The Republicans had ample opportunity to ask questions of the witnesses,

That is a total lie.


The whole country saw the democrats hold hearings in secret, out of the public eye.


The whole country saw the democrats deny republicans the chance to call witnesses of their own.


The so-called `whistleblower Schitt boasted about at the start, he had to hide the son-of-a-bitch and didn't DARE bring him into it because it came out that he was so democrat biased, and had colluded with Schitt's own staff so much, that Schitt didn't dare bring him out to testify. In fact did everything he could to repress republicans even refering to him!









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On 01-02-20, AARON THOMAS said to LEE LOFASO:

Trump violated his oath of office, and deserves to be tossed out.

Tossing out presidents sounds easy. Can we toss out US Reps who violate AT>their oaths of office as well? How about state reps? We've got a lot of AT>violations going on throughout the country, but nobody wants to pull their AT>finger out of themselves and smell it; they just want to mindlessly bash AT>the president because it's easy to get praise in doing so.

How is impeaching President Trump going to help the country? Or - is it AT>some other country that you want to see benefit from this?

This isn't about anything but the fact that;


1. Bill Clinton was impeached during his presidency.


2. Hillary Clinton was soundly defeated by Trump.


3. Trump wasn't supposed to win.


4. Trump's `impeachment' started in November 2016, the day after he was elected.


They can't undo the 2016 election. But they CAN throw every stumbling block they can conjure up to try to derail every effort Trump makes to help the country.





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On 01-03-20, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

On 01-02-20 19:03, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-

Does that jog your memory? In addition did you watch the
hearings that Adam was
the chair in, he would not let the republicans a word in edge wise.

Every member got their five minutes. If Schiff cut someone off it was DS>because of their being out of time, or because they were attempting to DS>violate established procedures, e.g. attempting to expose the DS>whistleblower's identity in public. The Republicans had just as much DS>time each as any of the Democrats had.

The republicans were denied their right to call witnesses.


The whole country saw that (and so did Shipp).


Schitt cut off every instance in which he thought a republican was going to mention `the whistleblower'.


After pumping up the nation on the whistleblower being able to bring Trump down....suddenly Schitt did everything he could to supress even the very mention of the whistleblower!


Why?


Because it came out that this so-called `whistleblower' had ginned up his
story with Schitt's own aides! And who knows' what would have come out under cross-examination!


This is a piss poor job of railroading. And its most likely to fail. Pelosi can't deliver the articles of impeachment to the Senate. Because that means a `trial'. In which Trump gets to call witnesses. Hello....whistleblower!







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meaningless. Unless and until Pelosi delivers the articles of
impeachment to the Senate, Trump ain't `impeached'!

Through the eyes of the leftist media, he's already been impeached. But that's all the Democrats were aiming for anyway.

It's all they need in order to send signals around the world that the
president of the USA is corrupt. Hopefully, other world leaders will see through the lies.

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I suspect that cocaine consumption is the #1 reason why Democrats prote AT>the rights of human traffickers. It hurts for a person to think that th AT>drug they're addicted to is being canceled.

You might have hit it on the head!

Ok, and the #2 reason is because they're also addicted to corruption, slavery, forced-prostitution, child-neglect, and murder. If we threaten to take their victims away from them, that's enough to drive them insane. They're out for blood, believe it or not, although they're phoning in their strategies.

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aaron thomas wrote to TIM RICHARDSON <=-

Through the eyes of the leftist media, he's already been impeached. But that's all the Democrats were aiming for anyway.

Ya, but who listens to the Left-wing Propaganda... er.. Media anymore?

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On 04 Jan 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Greg,

The President will be "exonerated" when wins in November of this year >LL>

Not to worry. Amy will save us. Or Elizabeth. Or even Mayor Pete. >LL>Fact is, every single Democrat running for the Democratic nomination, >LL>is capable of winning the general election. And that includes Tulsi.

Here is a bit of history for you.
Donald Trump beat 15+ Republican candidates on a crowded stage to become
President.

He was the strongest candidate in that crowded field. I will
grant him that. Of course, it was a very weak field, but still ...

You think Amy, Elizabeth or Peter have a chance..

Not only the gals, and one who thinks he is.

Ever ask yourself how these gals have become millionaires.
Elizabeth is a opportunist who uses her -smallest sliver of Indian heritage when it suits her. These people do not know what it means to play by the
rules. America sees this too, her campaign will run out of gas and she will drop out of the race. Then there is her days representing DOW chemical... Champion for Women? more like Champion over women...

I do not see them beating Donald Trump.

It's too bad Democrats can only nominate one candidate at a time,
as each and every one of them would win in a walk.

The Presidential debates last time had me on the edge of my
seat. I can not not wait until they come about again.

Yeah. President Pence is sure gonna have his hands full with
whatever candidate the Democrats choose to nominate.

[..]

He is destroying our Republic. By his own actions.

Your vision of the Republic is not our vision.

Truth, liberty and justice for all is what I believe in.
Truth, liberty and justice is what most others also believe in.
If that makes me a bad guy, then I am in good company.

Well there ya go I believe in these things as well, I believe that there
more that binds us then divides us.
Those are not to be slick words, it is genuinely how I feel.

No president is above the law. He swore an oath. He broke it.

I know that sounds good rolling of the tongue and it gives you great pride, with your chest all puffed out when you type that here, but tell me and us all what law did he broke?




LL> It is
time for him to leave. LL>

LL> >It is that simple and it is also noteworthy to point out what tha means
LL> > that there is no misunderstanding.
LL>
LL> Please don't tell me you are Superman. Lois Lane would be
LL> so disappointed.
LL>
LL> >We meaning I as well as other Patriots.
LL> >Believe in America where it is "America First."
LL> >This means there is a serious contrast in what we Believe In and we
LL> > define success vs what you think most these ideals are opposite from one
LL> > other.
LL>
LL> Superman never kills. According to the original creators.
LL> But America has changed from the days Superman ruled the comics.

How did you get started with this Superman analogy?
Superman has always stood for truth and justice and the American Way.

That was true, until recently. The new Superman movies have
Superman killing his enemies, rather than upholding the values
we hold most dear.

Come to think of it does has Donald Trump.

Donald Trump has trashed America and American values.

oh really? please do tell.

Donald Trump is all about America, or perhaps you would rather see America under the thumb of another nation, a country that is barely alive, 48 million people on food stamps, no jobs and even a President who tells us that the
jobs just are not coming back. - Been there done that...

Tell us all how Donald Trump is trashing and destroying American Values.

I really don't think you can define American Values.

You are just pissed off that his Presidency and his leadership are a success to spite the screaming from the left and even the efforts within the Democrats can not stop him as they have tried with dossiers which lead to investigations, impeachment communities, even with help from the highest officials within the intelligence communities within the FBI, CIA couldn't stop Trump. The efforts of this Anti-Trump machine have fallen apart and it has left a trail of parts and debris that spell out when, where and how these things were put into motion. These efforts have and will continue to backfire in their faces, continuing to damage the Democratic brand and platform, to the point where no one will want to stand with them or even near them in the future.

According to Ukraine, neither of the Bidens broke any Ukrainian laws. Since the matter was already investigated, by Ukraine, and there is no
new evidence, everything is okey dokey.

The most corrupt place on the planet, and your talking about Ukrainian Laws? Rrrrrright...

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Hello Greg,

You think Amy, Elizabeth or Peter have a chance..

Not only the gals, and one who thinks he is.

Ever ask yourself how these gals have become millionaires.

Donald Trump got his the old-fashioned way. He inherited it.
Elizabeth Warren got hers the hard way. She earned it.
Taught school, raised a family, went back to law school, became
a professor ...

Elizabeth is a opportunist who uses her -smallest sliver of Indian heritage >when it suits her. These people do not know what it means to play by the >rules. America sees this too, her campaign will run out of gas and she will >drop out of the race. Then there is her days representing DOW chemical... >Champion for Women? more like Champion over women...

Well, she is a lawyer ...

[..]

No president is above the law. He swore an oath. He broke it.

I know that sounds good rolling of the tongue and it gives you great pride,
with your chest all puffed out when you type that here, but tell me and us all what law did he broke?

All of them. Or so it appears.

[..]

Donald Trump has trashed America and American values.

oh really? please do tell.

He has lowered America to his own set of values.

Donald Trump is all about America, or perhaps you would rather see America
under the thumb of another nation, a country that is barely alive, 48
million people on food stamps, no jobs and even a President who tells us
that the jobs just are not coming back. - Been there done that...

Donald Trump is about Donald Trump. And only Donald Trump.

Tell us all how Donald Trump is trashing and destroying American Values.

Donald Trump does not have American Values.
He has only his own values.
No empathy for others, except for his own self.
That is the one and only value he has.
The value of Donald J. Trump.

I really don't think you can define American Values.

Would that be cultural values? Moral values? Personal values?
We each have our own ideas as to what constitute "American Values".
Here is what a fellow by the name of Guy Reel claims are his own
set of "American Values" -

Published on
Wednesday, April 20, 2005
by Common Dreams
American Values
by Guy Reel

What is America? What are the values it has most fought for
and admired? A few of the first, and most important, come to mind:

Freedom.
Equality.
Democracy.
Champion of the little guy.
Helper of the oppressed.
Defender against tyranny.

Some of the other values are ingrained in our history and our
belief in our future:

Capitalism.
Independence.
Strength.
Rightness and righteousness.
Manifest destiny.
God.

Freedom of religion.
Family.
Wealth.
Faith.
Entertainment and happiness.

Even a casual reader of these values can see where conflicts might
arise among them. Capitalism and strength have made America great,
but they have generated their own set of inequalities. Our wealth
is unequaled, but Jesus taught that our faith should make wealth
meaningless. Equality is a wonderful ideal, but frankly, not everyone
is created equal. Freedom is fine until we see our vast money-obsessed entertainment and happiness apparatus assaulting us with base
immorality, cowardly news, and stupidity.

Over the last twenty years or so, the most radical members of the
right wing have claimed they've owned the core American values that
I've just enumerated; moreover, they've claimed that liberals have
tried to defeat them. Therefore, they argue, liberals are trying
to ruin the American way of life. They claim that liberals are a
threat to our very future. For those who question this assumption,
they need only to listen to talk radio, Fox news and the Republican
leadership who pass for responsible voices in our democracy.

Their methods are not surprising. Because here is their dirty little
secret: The far right must gain its identity from imagined enemies.
Because without these imagined enemies, the ultra-right wing is not
viable. Without the imagined enemies, you just have - America. It
is an America struggling with competing interests among its core
values. It should try to help the poor while building wealth for
us all; it should try to lead the world without exploiting or
dominating it; it should not be ashamed of a faith in God but should
never discriminate against those of different beliefs; and it should
try to figure out balances between those "right and left" policy
disputes, such as protection of the environment versus encouraging
development.

This is the true American value: We are a nation of compromises. The Constitution is a document of concessions between competing interests.
We weigh the right of the accused against the power of prosecutors; we
weigh the power of judges against Congress and the president; we weigh
the power of the people against the strength of the government.

Yet this is the problem with the right wing today. When a political
faction encourages an atmosphere that makes these competing principles
evil and corrupt - even the idea that there should be competition among
them - it threatens the very essence of America. It must be said
outright: These strange Americans are fighting against the founding
values of this nation.

The radical reactionaries (it is absurd to call them conservatives)
have convinced about half of Americans that the basic American values
- the values of balancing various competing interests - are evil and anti-American. This is where the future of America is threatened, and
it must be fought at every turn.

What we have seen is the creation of a culture of hate in America,
and that is not too strong of a characterization. The radicals vilify
those who disagree with them -they must do this to survive. For without
the enemies that they themselves imagine, they are nothing. After the
imagined enemies are gone, they have nothing to rant against, except
the notion of American values. Therefore, if they lose their enemies,
they lose America.

America is a balancing act. Sometimes we slip off the wire. No one said
it would be easy. No one said it was simple. It's a work in progress,
and it always will be. The danger to America is when we allow those who
vilify basic American values to have the loudest voices.

This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike
3.0 License.

Guy Reel is an associate professor of mass communication at Winthrop University. He may be reached at reelg@winthrop.edu

--Lee

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Through the eyes of the leftist media, he's already been impeached. B that's all the Democrats were aiming for anyway.

Ya, but who listens to the Left-wing Propaganda... er.. Media anymore?

The whole non English-speaking world receives liberal news regarding the USA. Telemundo, the same news outlet that covers stories like "the lady who can
read with her eyes closed, through her fingers.." is also telling people who speak Spanish many tall tales about Republicans in the USA.

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Tell us all how Donald Trump is trashing and destroying American Values.

Donald Trump does not have American Values.
He has only his own values.
No empathy for others, except for his own self.
That is the one and only value he has.
The value of Donald J. Trump.

Wrong on All accounts.
let's look as to why?

Donald Trump does not have American Values.

Ever hear of a phrase Make America Great Again.

He has only his own values.

Donald Trump wouldn't of run if this was the case.

No empathy for others, except for his own self.

You don't really believe that. do you?

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Hello Greg,

LL> >Tell us all how Donald Trump is trashing and destroying American Values.
LL>
LL> Donald Trump does not have American Values.
LL> He has only his own values.
LL> No empathy for others, except for his own self.
LL> That is the one and only value he has.
LL> The value of Donald J. Trump.

Wrong on All accounts.
let's look as to why?

Greed and selfishness come to mind. But I would hardly
call those American values.

Donald Trump does not have American Values.

Ever hear of a phrase Make America Great Again.

America has always been great.
Unfortunately, it looks like Americans will have to wait
until our next president is in office before America can be
made greater than it already is.

He has only his own values.

Donald Trump wouldn't of run if this was the case.

Had we all been so fortunate.

No empathy for others, except for his own self.

You don't really believe that. do you?

Well, you do realize he and Melania do not sleep in the same room.
And that Barron is not really his kid ...

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On 01-06-20, AARON THOMAS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

meaningless. Unless and until Pelosi delivers the articles of
impeachment to the Senate, Trump ain't `impeached'!

Through the eyes of the leftist media, he's already been impeached. But AT>that's all the Democrats were aiming for anyway.

It's all they need in order to send signals around the world that the AT>president of the USA is corrupt. Hopefully, other world leaders will see AT>through the lies.

I watched a segment of Pelosi signing with multiple pens....she'd write a word...switch pens....write another word...switch pens....


She almost couldn't suppress the look of absolute glee in her eyes as she signed.


The democrats surrounding her as she signed were thrilled at what was happening. About the stupidest democrat to come down the pike in decades; Maxine Waters; went into hysterical joy! You could almost hear the `impeach
45! impeach 45!' running through her mind as Pelosi signed. And she left
waving one of the special `impeachment' pens Pelosi handed out as momentos
high in the air.


Its not about Trump having done anything to get removed from office over.


Its about staining him with `impeached' after his ame in the history books.


Democrats and their bots in the media were pissed that Hillary lost to him.


His `impeachment' began even before he took the oath of office.


The democrats and their deep-state partners are livid that a political nobody with no political experience whatever managed to get over 60 million votes and defeat Hillary with an Electoral College majority so big it was an
embarassment to any democrat worth their graft!






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On 01-06-20, AARON THOMAS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

I suspect that cocaine consumption is the #1 reason why Democrats

prote TR> AT>the rights of human traffickers. It hurts for a person to AT>think that th TR> AT>drug they're addicted to is being canceled.

You might have hit it on the head!

Ok, and the #2 reason is because they're also addicted to corruption, AT>slavery, forced-prostitution, child-neglect, and murder.

I got something on that somewhere....let me look....


Yeah....in October last year Hunter Biden stepped down from the board of a Chinese-backed equity company (what would Hunter Biden know about `equity'!).


Hunter Biden was also involved in Chinese companies who use slave labor.



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I watched a segment of Pelosi signing with multiple pens....she'd write a word...switch pens....write another word...switch pens....

Have you ever seen a member of congress act like that much of a proud lunatic?

She almost couldn't suppress the look of absolute glee in her eyes as she signed.

I guess it was the biggest accomplishment of her life; to formally accuse the president of wrongdoing. A real patriot would regret to sign articles of impeachment against their president.

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Hunter Biden was also involved in Chinese companies who use slave labor.

That will sound appealing to some liberals and terrible to the other half.
But even if you put proof of that in their faces, it wouldn't cure their TDS.

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