• Trial

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Tim Richardson on Sat Dec 28 00:21:04 2019
    On 12-27-19 09:08, Tim Richardson <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: Quid Pro Quo - Joe <=-

    Plus....getting to the Senate would be a much different situation than
    in front of the democrat-controlled committees in the House; in the
    Senate it would be much like a courtroom trial. presided over by the
    Chief Justice.

    The democrat `house managers' would be the prosecutors, and Trump is entitled to a legal team who can cross examine democrat witnesses; call witnesses of their own; present their own evidence; etc.

    We can only hope that will happen. Anything short of that would be a
    sham.


    They do not have one single fact witness. Only hear-say witnesses, and
    a pack of academics who's best contribution was out-right Trump hate!

    There were numerous witnesses who testified in open hearings, including
    several who were there when the call was made. They are not hear-say witnesses. All of the fact based witnesses were career employees and
    testified to things based on their direct knowledge.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Thu Jan 2 15:12:49 2020
    Hello Dale,

    [..]

    They do not have one single fact witness. Only hear-say witnesses, and >TR>a pack of academics who's best contribution was out-right Trump hate!

    There were numerous witnesses who testified in open hearings, including >several who were there when the call was made. They are not hear-say >witnesses. All of the fact based witnesses were career employees and >testified to things based on their direct knowledge.

    How many Republicans voted in favor of article 1
    (abuse of power)?

    How many Republicans voted in favor of article 2
    (obstruction of Congress)?

    Article 1 was passed by a vote of 230-197.
    Article 2 was passed by a vote of 229-198.

    No Republicans voted against their lord and savior, Donald Trump.

    So ...

    What does it matter how many witnesses who testify in open hearings?
    Even if they had direct knowledge of what happened, or if they were
    eye witnesses? Facts do not matter when it comes to this bunch, who
    have clearly chosen to put party above country.

    The Republican party no longer exists as a political party. It
    has devolved into something else. Call it Trumpism or whatever else
    might come to mind. A cult of personality, with Trump at the helm
    for now. What comes next makes me shudder.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Thu Jan 2 15:16:57 2020
    Hello Dale,

    [..]

    They do not have one single fact witness. Only hear-say witnesses, and >TR>a pack of academics who's best contribution was out-right Trump hate!

    There were numerous witnesses who testified in open hearings, including >several who were there when the call was made. They are not hear-say >witnesses. All of the fact based witnesses were career employees and >testified to things based on their direct knowledge.

    How many Republicans voted in favor of article 1
    (abuse of power)?

    How many Republicans voted in favor of article 2
    (obstruction of Congress)?

    Article 1 was passed by a vote of 230-197.
    Article 2 was passed by a vote of 229-198.

    No Republicans voted against their lord and savior, Donald Trump.

    So ...

    What does it matter how many witnesses who testify in open hearings?
    Even if they had direct knowledge of what happened, or if they were
    eye witnesses? Facts do not matter when it comes to this bunch, who
    have clearly chosen to put party above country.

    The Republican party no longer exists as a political party. It
    has devolved into something else. Call it Trumpism or whatever else
    might come to mind. A cult of personality, with Trump at the helm
    for now. What comes next makes me shudder.

    --Lee

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    We're Great In Bed

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Jan 2 19:07:22 2020
    On 02 Jan 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Dale,

    [..]

    They do not have one single fact witness. Only hear-say witnesses, and >TR>a pack of academics who's best contribution was out-right Trump hate!

    There were numerous witnesses who testified in open hearings, including >several who were there when the call was made. They are not hear-say >witnesses. All of the fact based witnesses were career employees and >testified to things based on their direct knowledge.

    How many Republicans voted in favor of article 1
    (abuse of power)?

    How many Republicans voted in favor of article 2
    (obstruction of Congress)?

    Article 1 was passed by a vote of 230-197.
    Article 2 was passed by a vote of 229-198.

    Mark my words this vote will come back to haunt them and their political futures.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Jan 4 02:41:51 2020
    Hello Greg,

    LL> >TR>They do not have one single fact witness. Only hear-say
    witnesses, and
    LL> >TR>a pack of academics who's best contribution was out-right Trump hate!
    LL> >
    LL> >There were numerous witnesses who testified in open hearings, including
    LL> >several who were there when the call was made. They are not
    hear-say
    LL> >witnesses. All of the fact based witnesses were career employees
    and
    LL> >testified to things based on their direct knowledge.
    LL>
    LL> How many Republicans voted in favor of article 1
    LL> (abuse of power)?
    LL>
    LL> How many Republicans voted in favor of article 2
    LL> (obstruction of Congress)?
    LL>
    LL> Article 1 was passed by a vote of 230-197.
    LL> Article 2 was passed by a vote of 229-198.

    Mark my words this vote will come back to haunt them and their political >futures.

    Like the House vote to impeach Clinton over a hummer?

    --Lee

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Jan 4 13:43:00 2020
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    Like the House vote to impeach Clinton over a hummer?

    I see your grasp of history is well rooted in the Soviet-style.

    Clinton was not impeached over a hummer. He was impeached over lying about it.
    That's ignoring the fact that such behavior would be a fireable offence in just about every company at the time.

    As I read over the Articles of Impeachment of Clinton, they basically can be summed up like this:
    He lied. Under oath.
    He tried to cover up the lies by doing various things.

    So, in effect, they tried to impeach Clinton for being a Democrat. It's no wonder why he wasn't convicted.


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