On 12-27-19 09:12, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

Why is it a good thing to allow Iran to start building nuclear weapons?
And that was not American dollars. It was Iranian dollars being
returned to them. But you knew all of that.

Are you forgetting the US embassy hostage thing? And the terrorism the islamic pig eaters have fomented since?

I never forget things like that. But it has nothing to do with the
current discussion.

Not to mention the money held
in OUR possession was (or `would' have been) a pretty good incentive
for them to quit trying to come up with a nuclear weapon.

DUH -- and we gave their money back to them as part of their agreeing to
stop developing nuclear weapons. And it *WAS* a pretty good incentive,
and one which Trump broke.

But Hussein gave away an incentive we held them to by giving up any advantage we had over them.

NOPE -- he used it to gain an advantage.

Now the ragheads are doing naval maneuvers with the Ruski's and the
red Chinese; both of whom are now in the middle east area with some of their most powerful naval vessels; not to mention Iran's navy (all
three speed boats).

Which is in large part because of Trump breaking the deal. So now they
are developing nuclear weapons and becoming much more belligerent
because of Trump's treatment of them.

There is no words to describe how badly democrats suck! When they
aren't ginning up false charges they're bending over backwards to
destroy the country!

You are in complete denial and reversal in your statement above. The
charges are not false, and it is Trump who is destroying the country.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 28 Dec 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 12-27-19 09:12, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

Why is it a good thing to allow Iran to start building nuclear weapons
And that was not American dollars. It was Iranian dollars being
returned to them. But you knew all of that.

Are you forgetting the US embassy hostage thing? And the terrorism th islamic pig eaters have fomented since?

I never forget things like that. But it has nothing to do with the current discussion.

Not to mention the money held
in OUR possession was (or `would' have been) a pretty good incentive for them to quit trying to come up with a nuclear weapon.

DUH -- and we gave their money back to them as part of their agreeing to stop developing nuclear weapons. And it *WAS* a pretty good incentive, and one which Trump broke.

You seem to think that this "incentive" is a means to persuade or stop them from making nuclear weapons. From a country that shouts Death to America.
Wake up...

You are in complete denial and reversal in your statement above. The charges are not false, and it is Trump who is destroying the country.

How is Trump destroying the country?
Care to provide some verifiable examples?

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DUH -- and we gave their money back to them as part of their agreeing to stop developing nuclear weapons. And it *WAS* a pretty good incentive,

Maybe you're right about this - and maybe the rest of the world including me
is very uninformed about this subject - but what are you talking about?

I can't find any news article that explains how the USA possessed 1.7 billion dollars of Iranian money. How did Iran let that happen? The country that they wish death to was holding 1.7 billion dollars of their money? And like superheroes, Obama & Kerry gave that money back to its rightful owner?

The way I remember the scandal was that we were paying Iran, with our own 1.7 billion dollars, to denuclearize. Does the National Enquirer say something different? How do we pay Iran, with their own money, to denuclearize?

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Hello Aaron,

DS> DUH -- and we gave their money back to them as part of their agreeing to
DS> stop developing nuclear weapons. And it *WAS* a pretty good
incentive,

Maybe you're right about this - and maybe the rest of the world including
me
is very uninformed about this subject - but what are you talking about?

I can't find any news article that explains how the USA possessed 1.7
billion
dollars of Iranian money. How did Iran let that happen? The country that
they
wish death to was holding 1.7 billion dollars of their money? And like superheroes, Obama & Kerry gave that money back to its rightful owner?

The way I remember the scandal was that we were paying Iran, with our own
1.7
billion dollars, to denuclearize. Does the National Enquirer say something different? How do we pay Iran, with their own money, to denuclearize?

President Carter froze Iranian assets after our embassy personnel
were taken hostage. He writes about it in his memoir, "Keeping Faith".

--Lee

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On 12-28-19 11:36, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

DUH -- and we gave their money back to them as part of their agreeing to stop developing nuclear weapons. And it *WAS* a pretty good incentive,

Maybe you're right about this - and maybe the rest of the world
including me is very uninformed about this subject - but what are you talking about?
I can't find any news article that explains how the USA possessed 1.7 billion dollars of Iranian money. How did Iran let that happen? The country that they wish death to was holding 1.7 billion dollars of
their money? And like superheroes, Obama & Kerry gave that money back
to its rightful owner?
The way I remember the scandal was that we were paying Iran, with our
own 1.7 billion dollars, to denuclearize. Does the National Enquirer
say something different? How do we pay Iran, with their own money, to denuclearize?

The National Enquirer is a tabloid rag that rarely publishes any real
news of value.

Here is an excerpt from a snoops article that explains what happened:

<<previous part of the article talking about the debunked conspiracy
theory that the money was paid to release some American hostages>>
[quote]
However, the $400 million dollar transfer was actually an openly
announced one, paid in settlement of a nearly 40-year dispute between
Iran and the United States ù a settlement that likely saved the United
States several billion dollars.

Back in late 1979, after Iranian revolutionaries took 52 Americans
hostage at the US Embassy in Tehran, the United States severed
diplomatic relations with Iran and froze Iranian assets in America.
Among those frozen assets was a $400 million delivery of fighter jets
from the U.S. that Iran's previous government had already paid for.

Although the American hostages were finally released a year later,
issues such as the frozen Iranian assets (including that $400 million)
were not settled at that time. Instead, an international court based in
the Hague, the Iran--United States Claims Tribunal was established to
deal with such legal claims. The tribunal process dragged on for years
and years without a ruling on the $400 million being issued, and
finally, when arbitration process was apparently about to wind up (quite possibly not in American's favor), the U.S. agreed to pay Iran back the
$400 million principal along with $1.3 billion in interest. If the issue
had gone to the tribunal for a decision, as was expected, the U.S. could
have been on the hook for the full $10 billion in compensation Iran was seeking.

It is true the U.S. agreed to the settlement at the same time it was negotiating a nuclear deal with Iran and for the return of four U.S.
citizens who had been detained by Iran. However, the negotiations over
these these issues were conducted by completely separate teams in order
to avoid any overlap or suggestions of connections between them.
[/quote]

This article does contradict a statement I have believed that the money
was part of the de-nuclearation deal. Hence, I will retract that. It
is true that the deal had Iran agree to stop making enriched uranium and nuclear weapons -- and had inspections to verify that they were
compliant with the deal.

Dale Shipp
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Back in late 1979, after Iranian revolutionaries took 52 Americans

Thanks, sorry, I see all about this now. I got the story mixed up a few years back when this was going on. But now, what does Trump's cancellation of the deal mean? Did we pay them what they were owed? Or do we still owe them more?

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Dale Shipp wrote to Tim Richardson <=-

You are in complete denial and reversal in your statement above. The charges are not false, and it is Trump who is destroying the country.

You need to take a tour of the Democrat controlled states and cities in the U.S.

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Hello Greg,

How is Trump destroying the country?

We can start by violating his oath of office.

Care to provide some verifiable examples?

Take off your blinders.

--Lee

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On 12-29-19 09:23, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

Thanks, sorry, I see all about this now. I got the story mixed up a
few years back when this was going on. But now, what does Trump's cancellation of the deal mean? Did we pay them what they were owed? Or
do we still owe them more?

Trump's cancellation of the deal had no effect on the money. They were
paid what they were owed according to the settlement. We do not still
owe them any money.

Since Trump's cancellation of the deal and imposition of sanctions, Iran
is now working toward creating a nuclear weapon again and has become
much more beligerent in other ways.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 29 Dec 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Greg,

How is Trump destroying the country?

We can start by violating his oath of office.

Care to provide some verifiable examples?

Take off your blinders.

No examples, that's about what what I expected.

All this talk about how bad the President is, but when you ask for examples basically asking them to PUSU they got nothing.

I am still waiting btw.

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Hello Greg,

How is Trump destroying the country?

We can start by violating his oath of office.

Care to provide some verifiable examples?

Take off your blinders.

No examples, that's about what what I expected.

He violated his oath of office. What more need be said?

All this talk about how bad the President is, but when you ask for examples
basically asking them to PUSU they got nothing.

I am still waiting btw.

Here is a partial list that some feller put on the web,
for all to see. Whether he updates it or not remains to
be seen. Not that it matters.

https://tinyurl.com/tdu43kb


This problem will go away this coming November. Actually,
not completely until high noon on January 20, 2021.

And then we will forget all about him, as if he had never existed.

--Lee

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On 31 Dec 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Greg,

No examples, that's about what what I expected.

He violated his oath of office. What more need be said?

Has the high court made this determination. Nope they have not.
Instead of quoting democratic talking points, such as the following all which have failed. Here are just a few of the baseless accusations.
Bribery - That did not stick.
Quid Pro Quo - That did not stick.
Russian Dossier - That did not stick.
Mueller Report - That did not stick.
Dem Hoax destroyed.

Still waiting for concrete examples of crimes committed as President.

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Hello Greg,

No examples, that's about what what I expected.

He violated his oath of office. What more need be said?

Has the high court made this determination.

There is no question he violated his oath of office.
That is why the House passed two articles of impeachment.
One for abuse of power, the other for obstruction of
Congress.

Nope they have not.

The first vote, 230-197, accused the president of abuse of power.
The second vote, 229-198, accused the president of obstruction of
Congress. Both are violations of his oath of office.

Instead of quoting democratic talking points, such as the following all
which have failed.

Both articles of impeachment passed.

Here are just a few of the baseless accusations.
Bribery - That did not stick.
Quid Pro Quo - That did not stick.
Russian Dossier - That did not stick.
Mueller Report - That did not stick.
Dem Hoax destroyed.

There is still time for the House to impeach the president
on various other charges, including those named above.
But the two already on the board should be plenty enough
to convict and remove from office ...

Still waiting for concrete examples of crimes committed as President.

"It is an established fact the president violated the Constitution.
To the Republic, for which it stands ..." ~Speaker Nancy Pelosi

See there? The man is a walking time bomb.

And Speaker Pelosi is not the only person who has noticed -

"The president withheld congressionally approved military aid to
Ukraine, a country under siege, not to fight corruption, but to
extract a personal political favor, the president of the United
States endangered our national security. The president undermined
our democracy ... betrayed his oath to preserve protect and defend
the Constitution of the United States. No one should be allowed
to use the powers of the presidency to undermine our elections.
Period." ~Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Mass)

Not a single Republican in the House voted in favor of either
of the two articles of impeachment, having chosen to put party
above country. The rule of law means nothing to them, the
same as their dearly beloved. How sad.

--Lee

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On 01 Jan 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Greg,

Not a single Republican in the House voted in favor of either
of the two articles of impeachment, having chosen to put party
above country. The rule of law means nothing to them, the
same as their dearly beloved. How sad.

What is sad is you don't understand that
NO LAWS WERE BROKEN.
NO CRIMES WERE COMMITTED.
This why the Republicans voted the way they did.

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Hello Greg,

Not a single Republican in the House voted in favor of either
of the two articles of impeachment, having chosen to put party
above country. The rule of law means nothing to them, the
same as their dearly beloved. How sad.

What is sad is you don't understand that

"I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the
Office of President of the United States, and will to the
best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the
Constitution of the United States."
~ Donald J. Trump, 1/20/2017

NO LAWS WERE BROKEN.
NO CRIMES WERE COMMITTED.

Donald J. Trump violated his oath of office, as cited by
two articles of impeachment passed by the House.

This why the Republicans voted the way they did.

The president violated his oath of office, placing himself
above the rule of law. Rather than uphold the rule of law,
Republicans have chosen to do likewise, ignoring the rule
of law by replacing it with a cult of personality.

Since the oath of office means nothing to Donald J. Trump,
or to any Republicans now in office, what we have in the USA
today is far worse than what Italy had under Benito Mussolini
or what Germany had under Adolf Hitler.

You see, Donald J. Trump is no fascist. Not at all.
He is a psychopath. Although a very smart one. Which
makes him all the more dangerous.

--Lee

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On 01-01-20 08:55, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

On 01 Jan 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Greg,

Not a single Republican in the House voted in favor of either
of the two articles of impeachment, having chosen to put party
above country. The rule of law means nothing to them, the
same as their dearly beloved. How sad.

What is sad is you don't understand that
NO LAWS WERE BROKEN.
NO CRIMES WERE COMMITTED.
This why the Republicans voted the way they did.

How sad it is that you don't understand the law any better.

Laws were broken.

It was against the law to withhold the military aid to Ukraine for any
reason.

It was against the law for Trump to withhold the aid as extortion to
obtain a political favor.

It was against the law for Trump to even ask a foreign government for
aid to his political campaign.

It was against the law for Trump to deny any current or previous
whitehouse aid to testify in response to a lawful subpoena from
Congress.

Those were all against the law and crimes that Trump committed.

Dale Shipp
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Since the oath of office means nothing to Donald J. Trump,
or to any Republicans now in office, what we have in the USA
today is far worse than what Italy had under Benito Mussolini
or what Germany had under Adolf Hitler.

You see, Donald J. Trump is no fascist. Not at all.
He is a psychopath. Although a very smart one. Which
makes him all the more dangerous.

Lee, you're no stranger to writing useful information. So why so bland? How many jews has Trump slaughtered by his attempted collusion with Ukraine? What makes him a smart psychopath? What's dangerous about him?

I suppose he's a little dangerous because he's not apologetic to actual psychopaths?

The art of embellishing words might be fun and fascinating, but it's not
going to prevail when it comes down to right vs wrong.

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It was against the law for Trump to withhold the aid as extortion to obtain a political favor.

Here's a question for anybody reading: How is it a political favor for
Ukraine to investigate Biden in 2016?

If Ukraine investigated Hunter in 2016, found him guilty, and slapped him on the wrist, would that lead Trump to automatic victory in 2020?

Would it even sway a single democrat voter??

It's perfectly fine for democrats to start saying "Well, we were
exaggerating, Trump is not in fact a psychic, we hate him because we're millionaires and he's a billionaire." - Republicans will forgive you for it - but you gotta start saying it first. Tulsi fell short of saying just that.

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Hello Dale,

Not a single Republican in the House voted in favor of either
of the two articles of impeachment, having chosen to put party
above country. The rule of law means nothing to them, the
same as their dearly beloved. How sad.

What is sad is you don't understand that
NO LAWS WERE BROKEN.
NO CRIMES WERE COMMITTED.
This why the Republicans voted the way they did.

How sad it is that you don't understand the law any better.

How much better does one have to be to understand the law in
order to understand the president broke the law?

Laws were broken.

As outlined in both articles of impeachment, but not limited to.

It was against the law to withhold the military aid to Ukraine for any >reason.

Or for no reason at all.

It was against the law for Trump to withhold the aid as extortion to
obtain a political favor.

So what? According to Republicans, their dear leader can do whatever
he wants. They have placed party above the rule of law, and have in
effect made themselves servants of a lawless president.

It was against the law for Trump to even ask a foreign government for
aid to his political campaign.

Nothing is against the law when politicians place party above
the rule of law.

It was against the law for Trump to deny any current or previous
whitehouse aid to testify in response to a lawful subpoena from
Congress.

It is only against the law if those in power say it was against
the law. Republicans hold all the power. The White House, the
Supreme Court, the Senate. Republicans, by their own volition,
have chosen to cede their authority to their Dear Leader, thus
making this entire charade a cult of personality.

Those were all against the law and crimes that Trump committed.

I'll keep this short.

Gerald R. Ford granted Richard M. Nixon a presidential pardon -
"for all crimes committed." Not for crimes he may have committed,
but for all crimes committed.

If Donald J. Trump did not commit any crimes, then there will
be no need for the next president (or any future president) to
grant him a presidential pardon.

Question: Do you honestly believe President Amy Klobuchar
(Hillary Clinton without the emails) will grant former President
Donald J. Trump a pardon?

--Lee

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On 02 Jan 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Greg,

Donald J. Trump violated his oath of office, as cited by
two articles of impeachment passed by the House.

The House is a farse as reasons I previously explained.

You see, Donald J. Trump is no fascist. Not at all.
He is very smart.

I agree
take a look at the economy.
take a look at the bigger paychecks.
take a look at unemployment.
take a look at the stock market.
or would rather have socialism, if so then move to a banana republic.

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On 02 Jan 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 01-01-20 08:55, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

On 01 Jan 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Greg,

Not a single Republican in the House voted in favor of either
of the two articles of impeachment, having chosen to put party
above country. The rule of law means nothing to them, the
same as their dearly beloved. How sad.

What is sad is you don't understand that
NO LAWS WERE BROKEN.
NO CRIMES WERE COMMITTED.
This why the Republicans voted the way they did.

How sad it is that you don't understand the law any better.

Laws were broken.

Read the transcript.
No laws were broken.
None!

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On 02 Jan 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Laws were broken.

No Laws were broken. to spite the democrats have said on the matter. Not a one.

As outlined in both articles of impeachment, but not limited to.

So I say IF and that is one BIG "IF" LAWS WERE BROKEN, then why is Pelosi dragging her feet sending this to the Senate for a vote.

Simple because she knows that NO LAWS were broken and they will move to dismiss, and that is just for starters, what comes next is hell unleashed
upon the democrats with the calling them to testify.
Nearly everyone in America knows the story of how these dots are all
connected. Phony information given to the Fisa court. Carter Page working for the CIA. An email was sent to the FBI informing them that he was NOT a spy working for the Russians, but was working for the CIA. This email was literally changed by the FBI to appear as if he was a spy working for the Russians. All of this was done to undermine the Trump and a set up to put things in motion to support a narrative to have Donald Trump remove. But it backfired!
and now all of us who don't have out heads stuffed up someones ass understand this, because this is the Truth.
The real Truth is that these people were all but-hurt because Trump won;
to spite the many efforts to stop him.
The Fake Dossier couldn't do it. - that Hillary Clinton paid for btw.
The Mueller Report couldn't do it.
The Impeachment - which has not been delivered couldn't do it.
(even if @ sometime it will be delivered, history will record the following) The Impeachment brought forth by the Democrats couldn't do it.

It was against the law to withhold the military aid to Ukraine for any >reason.

Read the Transcript!

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On 01-02-20 19:05, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

How sad it is that you don't understand the law any better.

Laws were broken.

Read the transcript.
No laws were broken.
None!

You either have not read the transcript or you don't understand the
relevant laws. Which is it?

Dale Shipp
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Hello Aaron,

Since the oath of office means nothing to Donald J. Trump,
or to any Republicans now in office, what we have in the USA
today is far worse than what Italy had under Benito Mussolini
or what Germany had under Adolf Hitler.

You see, Donald J. Trump is no fascist. Not at all.
He is a psychopath. Although a very smart one. Which
makes him all the more dangerous.

Lee, you're no stranger to writing useful information. So why so bland? How >many jews has Trump slaughtered by his attempted collusion with Ukraine?
What
makes him a smart psychopath? What's dangerous about him?

Charles Manson was a pyschopath. Charles Manson never killed anybody.
Took a jury almost an entire year to convict him. Not of murder, but
of whatever else they could think of. Even though having been eligible
for parole, he was never released back into society.

It was his followers who did the dirty work. Several of whom were
later caught and convicted for their crimes. All of them eventually
eligible for parole. But none released back into society.

What is so dangerous about psychopaths is that most folks do not
recognize a psychopath for who and what he/she is until it is too
late. And by then, so much damage has been done that it is not
possible to fix the carnage.

I suppose he's a little dangerous because he's not apologetic to actual
psychopaths?

It's like being pregnant. One cannot be just a little bit pregnant.
It is all in with psychopaths. Nothing part way about them.

The art of embellishing words might be fun and fascinating, but it's not
going to prevail when it comes down to right vs wrong.

Grabbing women by their pussies is something only a true psychopath
would do.

--Lee

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Hello Greg,

Donald J. Trump violated his oath of office, as cited by
two articles of impeachment passed by the House.

The House is a farse as reasons I previously explained.

They did their jobs, impeaching a president for due cause.

You see, Donald J. Trump is no fascist. Not at all.
He is very smart.

I agree

You misquoted me. I called the MF a psychopath.
Of that we can all agree.

take a look at the economy.

James Carville was right then, saying "It's the economy, stupid!"
And I am right now, saying "It's still the economy, stupid!"

take a look at the bigger paychecks.

The number of manufacturing jobs are down in the US.
Minimum wage is the same in three states, stuck at $7.25
with no chance of becoming a living wage anytime soon.
Many other states have a minimum wage far lower than what
it should be.
The amount of earnings for most folks have not been able
to keep up with inflation, meaning most workers are making
less rather than more.
I can go on showing where the economy can be better.

take a look at unemployment.

Again, statistics are deceptive. Many people, especially young
people, are no longer looking for employment. As a result, those
numbers are not reflected in unemployment stats.

take a look at the stock market.

Only half of the people in the US have investments in the stock
market, usually through their pensions. As a result, whether the
stock market goes up or down is not going to affect most folks to
a great extent.

or would rather have socialism, if so then move to a banana republic.

We have socialism, in many different forms. We have socialism
for the many with social security and medicare. We have socialism
for the wealthy with defense. And that is what most people want.
Although the vast majority can do without the guns and tanks ...

--Lee

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Hello Greg,

Laws were broken.

No Laws were broken. to spite the democrats have said on the matter. Not a
one.

An unconvicted felon.

As outlined in both articles of impeachment, but not limited to.

So I say IF and that is one BIG "IF" LAWS WERE BROKEN, then why is Pelosi
dragging her feet sending this to the Senate for a vote.

Neither of the two articles of impeachment say *if* or *maybe*.
There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it, according to Speaker Pelosi
and the House. Your dearly beloved is guilty as sin. On all counts.

Simple because she knows that NO LAWS were broken and they will move to >dismiss, and that is just for starters, what comes next is hell unleashed >upon the democrats with the calling them to testify.

Oh, goodie! Witnesses can be called during the trial! That is a new
one! Will President Trump testify? What about his former National
Security Advisor? Or his Press Secretary? Or his Secretary of State?
Or anybody else who is serving or has served in his administration?

Nearly everyone in America knows the story of how these dots are all >connected. Phony information given to the Fisa court. Carter Page working
for the CIA. An email was sent to the FBI informing them that he was NOT a spy
working for the Russians, but was working for the CIA. This email was
literally changed by the FBI to appear as if he was a spy working for the oRussians. All f this was done to undermine the Trump and a set up to put tthings in motion o support a narrative to have Donald Trump remove. But
it backfired!

Alternative facts are not facts.

Not even the president's current fixer, Rudy Giuliani, can save him
now. Won't be long before he will be spending time at the same place
as the president's former fixer, Michael Cohn.

and now all of us who don't have out heads stuffed up someones ass
understand this, because this is the Truth.

The Truth?

"What is Truth?" ~Pontius Pilate to Jesus

Can you tell me? Jesus was unable to say a word to Pilate.
But maybe you know more than Jesus, and can fill us all in.

The real Truth is that these people were all but-hurt because Trump won; to
spite the many efforts to stop him.

Jesus challenged the Roman Empire. Guess who won.

The Fake Dossier couldn't do it. - that Hillary Clinton paid for btw.
The Mueller Report couldn't do it.

None of this is about Hillary Clinton. It is all about Donald Trump.
And only Donald Trump.

The Impeachment - which has not been delivered couldn't do it.

The president was impeached, and is currently awaiting trial by
the Senate. Speaker Pelosi is waiting for Senate Majority Leader
Mitch McConnell to inform her what the rules will be for the trial
(the rules of play) so that she can know how to proceed from there.

(even if @ sometime it will be delivered, history will record the following)
The Impeachment brought forth by the Democrats couldn't do it.

The House passed two articles of impeachment. That is fact,
not fiction (not fake news or alternate facts).

Speaker Pelosi was being kind, limiting the number of articles to two.
However, she did leave the door open to add a few more, and may decide
to impeach him a second time. And a third time. And a fourth time ...

It was against the law to withhold the military aid to Ukraine for any

reason.

Read the Transcript!

That would be wonderful. Unfortunately, the president only provided
a brief summary, not the entire conversation of that phone call.

However, the entire articles of impeachment are available for all
to read. Both articles, uncensored. So grab some popcorn, sit in
your easy chair, and knock yourself out.

--Lee

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Grabbing women by their pussies is something only a true psychopath
would do.

The voters deemed that to be insignificant when they elected him. Now his followers are more interested in all the other stuff he grabs just for us.

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Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

or would rather have socialism, if so then move to a banana republic.

I hear that Venezuela is a nice socialist utopia - especially if you are few lbs overweight and are alergic to toilet paper.


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On 12-28-19, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

On 12-27-19 09:12, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Your tax dollars at <=-

Why is it a good thing to allow Iran to start building nuclear weapons? DS>And that was not American dollars. It was Iranian dollars being
returned to them. But you knew all of that.

Are you forgetting the US embassy hostage thing? And the terrorism the islamic pig eaters have fomented since?

I never forget things like that. But it has nothing to do with the DS>current discussion.

Aparently you have....and it certainly does.

Not to mention the money held
in OUR possession was (or `would' have been) a pretty good incentive
for them to quit trying to come up with a nuclear weapon.

DUH -- and we gave their money back to them as part of their agreeing to DS>stop developing nuclear weapons. And it *WAS* a pretty good incentive, DS>and one which Trump broke.

But Hussein gave away an incentive we held them to by giving up any advantage we had over them.

NOPE -- he used it to gain an advantage.

What he `gave' them was enough money to continue to foment terrorism. And he `gained' nothing!


One of the things Trump acclomplished was to wipe out a large share
of that money Hussein gave up by some of the actions he's taken against one of our deadliest enemies. In fact, the rag-head Ayatola assahola who rules Iran himself was quoted by Bloomberg news stating that US sanctions have cost that country around 200 billion dollars so far, not to mention the 100 or so
billion dollars in oil revenue, and at least that much in foreign investment credit. And its going to get worse (for Iran, that is) as Trump piles on even more sanctions.

Now the ragheads are doing naval maneuvers with the Ruski's and the
red Chinese; both of whom are now in the middle east area with some of their most powerful naval vessels; not to mention Iran's navy (all
three speed boats).

Which is in large part because of Trump breaking the deal. So now they DS>are developing nuclear weapons and becoming much more belligerent
because of Trump's treatment of them.

If Trump hadn't pulled out of that deal, Iran would probably be preparing to conduct their third or fourth nuclear bomb explosion ala NKorea.

There is no words to describe how badly democrats suck! When they
aren't ginning up false charges they're bending over backwards to
destroy the country!

You are in complete denial and reversal in your statement above. The DS>charges are not false, and it is Trump who is destroying the country.

The charges are complete bullshit, or Pelosi wouldn't be sitting on them
giving her puppets time to try ginning up something to add to them.



I think the democrats handed Trump re-election with this stupid game of
theirs.


I voted for Trump in 2016 not as a vote `for' Trump; I was actually voting `not' Hillary Clinton.


This time around my vote will be for Trump because he not only does many good things for America, he also has a seemingly endless talent for pissing democrats off!





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On 12-29-19, RON LAUZON said to DALE SHIPP:

Dale Shipp wrote to Tim Richardson <=-

You are in complete denial and reversal in your statement above. The charges are not false, and it is Trump who is destroying the country.

You need to take a tour of the Democrat controlled states and cities in RL>the U.S.

You're wasting your time.


You cannot reason with a leftie. They're at a huge disadvantage; they aren't `reasonable' people.


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On 12-30-19, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

On 12-29-19 09:23, Aaron Thomas <=-

is now working toward creating a nuclear weapon again and has become
much more beligerent in other ways.

We `neutralized' some of that a few days ago;


Trump sent one of their top terrorist `generals' to his 72 virgins!


And the lefties have been going balistic!


I GOTTA vote for this guy again. I love the way he piss's lefties off!


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On 12-30-19, GREGORY DEYSS said to LEE LOFASO:

On 31 Dec 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Greg,

No examples, that's about what what I expected.

He violated his oath of office. What more need be said?

Has the high court made this determination. Nope they have not.
Instead of quoting democratic talking points, such as the following all GD>which have failed. Here are just a few of the baseless accusations.

Bribery - That did not stick.

Burisma put Hunter Biden on their board as an obvious `bribe' aimed at the
vice president of the United States....

crickets!


Around $400 million was poured into the Clinton Foundation after Hillary engineered a sweatheart nuclear deal for Russia.....


crickets!

Quid Pro Quo - That did not stick.

Joe Biden's `quid pro quo' with Ukraine in favor of his son's employer; Burisma.....


crickets!

Russian Dossier - That did not stick.

By an outfit that a US attorney's wife worked for...


crickets!


A dossier paid for by the DNC...


crickets!

Mueller Report - That did not stick.
Dem Hoax destroyed.

crickets!

Still waiting for concrete examples of crimes committed as President.

Impeachment on second and third-hand hearsay....


Not a single direct-evidence witness to anything illegal.


Suddenly we're in a `Constitutional crisis'!





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On 01-02-20, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:

How sad it is that you don't understand the law any better.

Laws were broken.

It was against the law to withhold the military aid to Ukraine for any DS>reason.

It was against the law for Trump to withhold the aid as extortion to DS>obtain a political favor.

It was against the law for Trump to even ask a foreign government for
aid to his political campaign.

It was against the law for Trump to deny any current or previous DS>whitehouse aid to testify in response to a lawful subpoena from
Congress.

Those were all against the law and crimes that Trump committed.

It is posts like this from leftie democrats that cause me to sort of ignore stuff they spout.


BTW....it may well have been the OMB who put the money on hold.






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On 01-02-20, GREGORY DEYSS said to LEE LOFASO:

On 02 Jan 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Laws were broken.

No Laws were broken. to spite the democrats have said on the matter. Not a

one. LL> As outlined in both articles of impeachment, but not limited to.

So I say IF and that is one BIG "IF" LAWS WERE BROKEN, then why is Pelosi GD>dragging her feet sending this to the Senate for a vote.

Simple because she knows that NO LAWS were broken and they will move to GD>dismiss, and that is just for starters, what comes next is hell unleashed GD>upon the democrats with the calling them to testify.

Another reason she's holding off is she wants to try dragging this all the way to this November on the off-chance democrats will take over the Senate. Then a conviction would be an absolute.


Regardless that the charges are not even `high crimes and misdemeanors'. They're a joke! But the democrats would convict.


Everyone seems to be losing sight of something;


If the democrats succeed with this sham of an impeachment, then in the future any president of either party will be able to to be impeached just because the opposing party doesn't like him.


Thats really what this is about;


Donald Trump was never a politician, didn't belong to that group of elites who own the political parties, and have years of `service' to the `machine' under their belts.


You have to know how far down hill the democrats have gone when a scumbag like Hillary Clinton was the best they could come up with to put up against a
nobody from New York; a person who had no political experience; no political following; and he beats her like a drum!


And THAT'S what the democrats are so pissed off at! That irks them. They HATE Trump! They're going to bring him down if it kills them in the process. And it just might.


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TIM RICHARDSON wrote to RON LAUZON <=-

You're wasting your time.

You cannot reason with a leftie. They're at a huge disadvantage; they aren't `reasonable' people.

I already figured that out. But they are fun to taunt. 8)


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On 04 Jan 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Greg,

Donald J. Trump violated his oath of office, as cited by
two articles of impeachment passed by the House.

The House is a farse as reasons I previously explained.

They did their jobs, impeaching a president for due cause.

Cause from within their own ego and only that.

No Laws Broke No Crime Committed, by the President.
For this HOAX they will pay at the voting box.

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On 04 Jan 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Greg,

So I say IF and that is one BIG "IF" LAWS WERE BROKEN, then why is Pelosi
dragging her feet sending this to the Senate for a vote.

Neither of the two articles of impeachment say *if* or *maybe*.
There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it, according to Speaker Pelosi
and the House. Your dearly beloved is guilty as sin. On all counts.

Counts? There are no counts, not one single solitary count equates to any
laws broken..

Go Ahead Nancy, make our day and forward these worthless articles of impeachment to the Senate. Commit political suicide in the process.
Open the floodgates of hell upon, we will wait, but only for a short time.

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Hello Greg,

Donald J. Trump violated his oath of office, as cited by
two articles of impeachment passed by the House.

The House is a farse as reasons I previously explained.

They did their jobs, impeaching a president for due cause.

Cause from within their own ego and only that.

No Laws Broke No Crime Committed, by the President.
For this HOAX they will pay at the voting box.

Donald J. Trump has been impeached for life, regardless of what
the Senate does, or does not do.

--Lee

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Hello Greg,

So I say IF and that is one BIG "IF" LAWS WERE BROKEN, then why is

Pelosi

dragging her feet sending this to the Senate for a vote.

Neither of the two articles of impeachment say *if* or *maybe*.
There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it, according to Speaker Pelosi
and the House. Your dearly beloved is guilty as sin. On all counts.

Counts? There are no counts, not one single solitary count equates to any
laws broken..

That is only a matter of degree.
The question is not whether any laws were broken.
It is a fact that several laws were broken.
The question of "reasonable doubt" is what remains.

Go Ahead Nancy, make our day and forward these worthless articles of >impeachment to the Senate.

The House has already done its job, having passed two articles
of impeachment. The Speaker is now in the process of handing over
those two articles to the Senate.

Commit political suicide in the process.

Donald J. Trump has been impeached for life.

Nancy Pelosi will never be impeached. Unless she gets to become
POTUS due to future events, in which case there would be a remote
possibility of that happening. Very remote chance.

Open the floodgates of hell upon, we will wait, but only for a short time.

Why? Congressional elections will take place in November,
the same time as the presidential election. I expect Pelosi
to win in a landslide.

--Lee

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On 01-06-20, RON LAUZON said to TIM RICHARDSON:

TIM RICHARDSON wrote to RON LAUZON <=-

You're wasting your time.

You cannot reason with a leftie. They're at a huge disadvantage; they aren't `reasonable' people.

I already figured that out. But they are fun to taunt. 8)

Yes! Ohhh yes!


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On 01-14-20, LEE LOFASO said to GREGORY DEYSS:

Hello Greg,

Cause from within their own ego and only that.

No Laws Broke No Crime Committed, by the President.
For this HOAX they will pay at the voting box.

Donald J. Trump has been impeached for life, regardless of what
the Senate does, or does not do.

Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Gerald Nadler, and Maxine Waters just proved to the world what I've long suspected;


They are all pieces of shit from the same turd!


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