• Wilders is Back!

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Tue Nov 21 18:05:15 2023
    Hello Everybody,

    Dutch politician Geert Wilders is back!
    His Freedom Party is polling third, only
    one seat down from the other two parties
    which are tied. Picking up 26 seats, as
    per I & O Research poll.

    Imagine Geert Wilders as Premier. It is
    not just a wish, but almost a sure thing.

    How did this happen? Seems the current
    premier of the past 13 years just got
    tired of it all and decided to quit.

    That gave Geert the opening he needed.
    Having been under virtual house arrest
    for the past few years (protection from
    mobs that wanted to do him in) he has
    come out of hiding to challenge the
    powers that be thus upsetting the apple
    cart that has fed so many for over a
    decade.

    His anti-immigrant policies will bring
    many Dutchmen (and Dutchwomen) home,
    with housing being available for all who
    return. Isn't that a wonderful policy?

    And to think, Geert will be doing this
    without building a wall of any kind.
    Thus saving Dutch taxpayers what they
    treasure most. Not really sure if he
    will be building any more dikes, but
    nobody asked him about that ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Nov 21 18:24:11 2023
    Hello Lee,

    On Tuesday November 21 2023 18:05, you wrote to ALL:

    Imagine Geert Wilders as Premier. It is
    not just a wish, but almost a sure thing.

    Not going to happen because he will not get an absolute majority and no other party that matters wants a coalition with him.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Nov 21 20:46:00 2023
    Hello Michiel,

    Imagine Geert Wilders as Premier. It is
    not just a wish, but almost a sure thing.

    MvdV> Not going to happen because he will not get an absolute majority and no
    MvdV> other party that matters wants a coalition with him.

    That's what folks were saying *before* Wilders' party had
    a 26-seat surge in the polls ...

    Wilders party won 28 seats, based on early results, which may be
    enough to make him prime minister. Which would bring a sea of change
    for the Netherlands, and Dutch politics.

    A party will make whatever deals it has to make in order to form
    a majority. Politics makes strange bedfellows, even if it means siding
    with the devil himself.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Nov 21 23:35:44 2023
    Hello Lee,

    On Tuesday November 21 2023 20:46, you wrote to me:

    MvdV>> Not going to happen because he will not get an absolute majority
    MvdV>> and no other party that matters wants a coalition with him.

    That's what folks were saying *before* Wilders' party had
    a 26-seat surge in the polls ...

    That is what they are still saying.

    Wilders party won 28 seats, based on early results, which may be
    enough to make him prime minister.

    We do not choose a prime minister, we choose the members of parliament. While ever so often the leader of the largest party becomes the prime minister, that is not a given. It has happened before and it will happen now. Wilders will not be prime minister.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Wed Nov 22 17:37:27 2023
    Hello Michiel,

    MvdV>>> Not going to happen because he will not get an absolute majority
    MvdV>>> and no other party that matters wants a coalition with him.

    That's what folks were saying *before* Wilders' party had
    a 26-seat surge in the polls ...

    MvdV> That is what they are still saying.

    Wilders has defied the odds.
    As Wilders has defied the odds before.
    That is his style. That is his way.
    Only unlike Don Quixote, maybe this time he will tilt the windmills.

    Wilders party won 28 seats, based on early results, which may be
    enough to make him prime minister.

    MvdV> We do not choose a prime minister, we choose the members of parliament.

    His party will go wild with him as prime minister.
    And so will a certain Dutchman in Fidonet.

    MvdV> While ever so often the leader of the largest party becomes the prime
    MvdV> minister, that is not a given.

    There is little difference in the number of seats between the three
    major parties, with no party having a clear majority. But winning the
    largest number of seats will grant Wilders party first crack at trying
    to form a coalition. And that could be the only edge Geert Wilders
    needs.

    MvdV> It has happened before and it will happen now. Wilders will not be prime
    MvdV> minister.

    That may be your hope and desire. Perhaps even the majority of the
    population in the Netherlands. But you know as well as I do that
    politics ain't beanbag. Besides, it doesn't matter who votes. All
    that really matters is who counts.

    "Will I dream?" ~HAL9000 to Dave Bowman

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Nov 22 19:07:46 2023
    His party will go wild with him as prime minister.

    Hmmm ... aren't the first exit-polls not expected until 2 hrs from now?

    But please dream on, I will enjoy Michiel's "Told you so".

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Wed Nov 22 23:55:05 2023
    Hello Ward,

    His party will go wild with him as prime minister.

    Hmmm ... aren't the first exit-polls not expected until 2 hrs from now?

    Does it matter? Does anybody really care? It is the results
    that count. And Cajuns can count really fast. Practically before
    anybody else gets started ...

    But please dream on, I will enjoy Michiel's "Told you so".

    It won't be long before Belgium joins the rest of the field,
    with its own version of Geert Wilders.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Fri Nov 24 05:41:34 2023
    Hello Michiel,

    Geert Wilders and his Party for Freedom win big in the Netherlands.

    MvdV>>> Not going to happen because he will not get an absolute majority
    MvdV>>> and no other party that matters wants a coalition with him.

    That's what folks were saying *before* Wilders' party had
    a 26-seat surge in the polls ...

    MvdV> That is what they are still saying.

    That might be what Michiel van der Vlist is saying,
    but that is definintely not what the Dutch people are
    saying,

    This was the biggest upset in Dutch politics since WWII.
    According to the news media, as Geert Wilders Party for Freedom
    won big - in record numbers.

    "I had to pinch my arm." ~Geert Wilders

    His Freedom Party won at least 35 seats, more than any other party.
    This will likely result in Geert Wilders as the next prime minister
    in the Netherlands.

    This will send shockwaves throughout Europe.

    In fact, it already has.

    Just think of the changes that are likely to happen -

    * the Netherlands (like the UK) leaving the European Union

    * a halt for seeking asylum seekers and migrant pushbacks

    * the "de Islamization" of the Netherlands

    * lots of other stuff yet to be thought of by Wilders

    Wilders party won 28 seats, based on early results, which may be
    enough to make him prime minister.

    MvdV> We do not choose a prime minister,

    Geert Wilders will be negotiating with the other parties to form
    a coalition, with himself to be named as prime minister. Feel better?

    MvdV> we choose the members of parliament.

    The Dutch people have spoken loudly and clearly - they want
    Geert Wilders! It is his Party for Freedom that got the most
    votes! And it is Geert Wilders as Prime Minister that they
    want! After all, they voted for him! In record numbers!

    MvdV> While ever so often the leader of the largest party becomes the prime
    MvdV> minister, that is not a given.

    This is the first time a far-right fringe party has won the most
    seats in the Dutch parliament, more votes than any other party.
    It was massive. A massive parliamentary victory.

    And now it is time for the winning party to receive their reward.

    MvdV> It has happened before and it will happen now.

    It should have happened a long time ago. But this was the very
    first time it actually did happen - that a far right fringe party
    actually won. And it won BIG TIME!

    MvdV> Wilders will not be prime minister.

    The Donald Trump of the Netherlands has sent shockwaves throughout
    Europe. His party doubled its numbers since the last election. And
    now you just wait and be amazed at what he does as Prime Minister ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Nov 24 13:44:48 2023
    Hello Lee,

    On Friday November 24 2023 05:41, you wrote to me:

    MvdV>> We do not choose a prime minister,

    Geert Wilders will be negotiating with the other parties to form
    a coalition, with himself to be named as prime minister. Feel better?

    No. I feel awfull.

    MvdV>> we choose the members of parliament.

    The Dutch people have spoken loudly and clearly

    Indeed they have.

    - they want Geert Wilders! It is his Party for Freedom that got the
    most votes! And it is Geert Wilders as Prime Minister that they want! After all, they voted for him! In record numbers!

    Really? Do The People of The Netherlands really want Geert Wilders? Yes his party is now the largest with 37 (not 35) seats in parliament.

    2,4 million voters voted for Geert Wilders. There are 13.3 million people entitled to vote. So 10.9 million people did NOT vote for wilders.

    The Donald Trump of the Netherlands has sent shockwaves throughout
    Europe. His party doubled its numbers since the last election. And
    now you just wait and be amazed at what he does as Prime Minister ...

    He isn't prime minister yet. This is not the US with a two party system where the largest always has an absolute majority.

    Wilders has 37 seats in parliament. 37 out of 150. To assemble a majority coalition he needs at least another 39 seats from other parties. That won't happen today, it won't happen tomorrow and it won't happen next week.

    We will see what the future brings.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Nov 24 14:40:43 2023
    Lee,

    His Freedom Party won at least 35 seats, more than any other party.
    This will likely result in Geert Wilders as the next prime minister
    in the Netherlands.

    Nope, ain't gonna happen. The people do not elect a prime minister, it's a multi-party system where winner-takes-all doesn't work.

    Wilbers' party won 23% of the vote, that actually is not an impressive win, meaning he needs another 27% plus 1 vote to form a government ... meaning he needs 2 out of 3 of the largest parties on board to achieve a majority ... and neither of these like him ... not even one party plus all of the smaller splinter parties is not enough ...

    I'll be smiling when Michiel writes "Told you so".

    The Dutch people have spoken loudly and clearly - they want
    Geert Wilders!

    If the Dutch people wanted Wilbers, he'd have an absolute majority now ... he hasn't.

    The Donald Trump of the Netherlands has sent shockwaves throughout
    Europe.

    Hardly ... except in Flanders a bit, I think no-one really cares ... Wilbers' party election results barely got noticed.

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  • From Matthew Munson@1:218/109 to Ward Dossche on Sat Nov 25 22:24:44 2023
    BY: Ward Dossche (2:292/854)

    Wilbers' party won 23% of the vote, that actually is not an impressive
    win, meaning he needs another 27% plus 1 vote to form a government ... meaning he needs 2 out of 3 of the largest parties on board to achieve a majority ... and neither of these like him ... not even one party plus
    all of the smaller splinter parties is not enough ...
    Maybe if the globalists did not fsck over the farmers, maybe the election would of been different.


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Matthew Munson on Sun Nov 26 11:33:23 2023
    Maybe if the globalists did not fsck over the farmers, maybe the election would of been different.

    That's the same as me commenting on elections in Canada ...

    Farmers and globalism were not involved in those elections ...

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  • From Dan Clough@1:135/115 to Ward Dossche on Sun Nov 26 01:45:00 2023
    Ward Dossche wrote to Matthew Munson <=-

    Maybe if the globalists did not fsck over the farmers, maybe the election would of been different.

    That's the same as me commenting on elections in Canada ...
    Farmers and globalism were not involved in those elections ...

    Methinks that today all elections are influenced by globalism.



    ... She kept saying I didn't listen to her, or something like that.
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dan Clough on Sun Nov 26 16:27:13 2023
    Methinks that today all elections are influenced by globalism.

    Methinks that elections are to deceive the people and make 'm think they are in charge, while in reality that is not the case...not even in the polling-booth.

    There is a system, and that system has some flaws ... those flaws are called "elections".

    People need to understand they don't decide the actions of the system, but the system decides the few domains where people have some liberty ...

    We don't elect leaders, the system appoints thenm and annoints them ...

    Only my opinion of course...

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Feb 7 00:29:32 2024
    "I had to pinch my arm." ~Geert Wilders

    His Freedom Party won at least 35 seats, more than any other party.
    This will likely result in Geert Wilders as the next prime minister
    in the Netherlands.

    So, Lee ... here we are, sort of a quarter of a year later.

    Any idea how Geert Wilders is doing with his coaltion talks and his desire to become the next Prime Minister of the Netherlands?

    Or are we heading to a new election?

    \%/@rd

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