• Brexit -- hindsight 2020

    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to All on Wed Feb 3 12:19:56 2021

    Now that we for the first time in human history can have a true hindsight vision of 20 20, I was reminded of what it was like when I was called to make service on ships unfortunately stranded in east Germany.

    At the border, we always knew that we would have to spend at least 12 hours, so we always had covers and pillows handy when trying to pass.

    Now, as the east/west border of Germany is history, the England/Europe ditto seems to be emerging?

    https://youtu.be/06uaTPx_LqI





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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Björn Felten on Wed Feb 3 12:32:24 2021

    Hello Björn,

    On Wednesday February 03 2021 12:19, you wrote to All:

    Now, as the east/west border of Germany is history, the
    England/Europe ditto seems to be emerging?

    https://youtu.be/06uaTPx_LqI

    The Brittish have choosen to no longer be a member of the EU. So they shouldn't whine if they have to follow the rules for non members.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Michiel van der Vlist on Wed Feb 3 23:02:44 2021

    Hi! Michiel,

    On 03 Feb 2021, Michiel van der Vlist said to Björn...

    The Brittish have choosen to no longer be a member of the EU. So they shouldn't whine if they have to follow the rules for non members.

    I am having wonderous dreams of the time when Doggerland reemerges from the North Sea.

    :)

    Then I have another shot of the incohol...

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Paul Quinn on Wed Feb 3 16:53:12 2021

    Hello Paul,

    On Wednesday February 03 2021 23:02, you wrote to me:

    The Brittish have choosen to no longer be a member of the EU. So
    they shouldn't whine if they have to follow the rules for non
    members.

    I am having wonderous dreams of the time when Doggerland reemerges
    from the North Sea.

    Dream on. Doggerland has sunk beneath the waves forever. But... England is drifting towards the US. So there is hope fo the return of Altantis. ;-)

    Then I have another shot of the incohol...

    Prisot!


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Wed Feb 3 17:27:42 2021

    Hello Michiel,

    Now, as the east/west border of Germany is history, the
    England/Europe ditto seems to be emerging?

    https://youtu.be/06uaTPx_LqI

    MvdV> The Brittish have choosen to no longer be a member of the EU. So they
    MvdV> shouldn't whine if they have to follow the rules for non members.

    The British claim to the northern part of Ireland will be
    relinquished as the Republic of Ireland remains part of the
    EU. Catholics now comprise a majority of the population,
    easily outnumbering Protestants.

    Scotland is already threatening to declare independence.
    Wales may follow. Northern Ireland will simply cease to exist,
    as it becomes part of the Republic of Ireland.

    Maybe London will become a modern independent city-state.
    Kind of like Singapore. Or Monaco. Or Vatican City. And then
    rejoin the EU as a contributing member. In fact, I can almost
    guarantee it, as over 60% of Londoners voted against Brexit.

    https://www.futuresplatform.com/blog/city-states-wave-future


    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Wed Feb 3 17:27:50 2021

    Hello Björn,

    Now that we for the first time in human history can have a true hindsight vision of 20 20, I was reminded of what it was like when I was called to make service on ships unfortunately stranded in east Germany.

    The USA used airplanes to save folks stranded in Berlin.

    At the border, we always knew that we would have to spend at least 12 hours,
    so we always had covers annd pillows handy when trying to pass.

    Airplanes are much faster, and do not need to anchor at sea.

    Now, as the east/west border of Germany is history, the England/Europe ditto
    seems to be emerging?

    https://youtu.be/06uaTPx_LqI


    Historically, it has always been England vs The Continent.
    Even during WWII, the British looked at themselves as being
    apart from those who lived on the continent of Europe.

    What will happen next is the reunification of Ireland, which
    remains part of the EU. Catholics now outnumber Protestants in
    the northern part of Ireland, so this will come sooner rather
    than later.

    Scotland will declare its own independence, and then Wales ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Wed Feb 3 21:47:36 2021

    Hello Michiel,

    The Brittish have choosen to no longer be a member of the EU. So
    they shouldn't whine if they have to follow the rules for non
    members.

    I am having wonderous dreams of the time when Doggerland reemerges
    from the North Sea.

    MvdV> Dream on. Doggerland has sunk beneath the waves forever. But... England is
    MvdV> drifting towards the US. So there is hope fo the return of Altantis. ;-)

    Plato wrote extensively about Atlantis in two of his works. Like
    Doggerland, it has sunk beneath the waves forever. However, there
    are remnants of that civilization that have been discovered, and
    are being studied by archeaologists. One site is located at
    Poverty Point in Louisiana. Only about 1% of the area has been
    excavated. The area is a miniature reproduction of Atlantis.
    As Plato describes it in his works. Did survivors of Atlantis
    settle in Louisiana, near the Mississippi River? Native Americans
    in the area say they did not build it, but people from before
    their time. There is much we do not know about the past. Maybe,
    just maybe, Plato knew what he was writing about.

    https://www.povertypoint.us/


    --Lee

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Feb 4 00:01:24 2021

    Hello Lee,

    On Wednesday February 03 2021 17:27, you wrote to me:

    MvdV>> The Brittish have choosen to no longer be a member of the EU.
    MvdV>> So they shouldn't whine if they have to follow the rules for
    MvdV>> non members.

    The British claim to the northern part of Ireland will be relinquished
    as the Republic of Ireland remains part of the EU. Catholics now
    comprise a majority of the population, easily outnumbering
    Protestants.

    While I agree that The reunification of both Irelands is unavoidable in the end, I think that a lot of water will have to flow through the Foyle before that happens.

    For starters: it isn't as simple as Protestants vs Catholics. Not all Catholics are in favour of reunification and not all Protestants are against. While there is substantial overlap, it is better to speak of Unionists vs Republicans. Als laid down in the GFA, the people in Northern Ireland have a right to hold a referendum about separating from the UK and joining the Republic of Ireland. If a referendum were held today, it would most likely end in favour of a reunion.

    Other than that, I think the present arrangement with Northern Ireland remaining part of the EU Customs Union but politially remaining part of the UK, with a border in the Irish Sea and no land border in Ireland is not a concept that is going to work in the long run.
    In the end the Unionists will have to accept that this relic of the Brittish Colonial Empire will come to an end just like all other relics of that era. They will have to accept that they will have to choose between living in the Irish Republic or move (back) to what remains of the United Kingdom.

    I am afraid they won't let go peacefully. Old wounds will be teared open and the "Troubles" may return. I hope not, I hope that those concerned will be pragmatic enough to not let it come to that, but I am not going to hold my breath..

    I love Ireland. I really hope the transition will be peaceful.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Fri Feb 5 18:07:10 2021

    Hello Ward,

    If a referendum were held
    today, it would most likely end in favour of a reunion.

    And a restart of the violence?

    You know Ireland better ...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/a-referendum-on-irish-unity- is-coming-whether-we-like-it-or-not-1.4454681


    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Fri Feb 5 18:07:22 2021

    Hello Michiel,

    MvdV>>> The Brittish have choosen to no longer be a member of the EU.
    MvdV>>> So they shouldn't whine if they have to follow the rules for
    MvdV>>> non members.

    The British claim to the northern part of Ireland will be relinquished
    as the Republic of Ireland remains part of the EU. Catholics now
    comprise a majority of the population, easily outnumbering
    Protestants.

    MvdV> While I agree that The reunification of both Irelands is unavoidable in the
    MvdV> end, I think that a lot of water will have to flow through the Foyle before
    MvdV> that happens.

    Boris Johnson can invoke article 16 with the stroke of a pen.

    MvdV> For starters: it isn't as simple as Protestants vs Catholics. Not all
    MvdV> Catholics are in favour of reunification and not all Protestants are
    MvdV> against. While there is substantial overlap, it is better to speak of
    MvdV> Unionists vs Republicans. Als laid down in the GFA, the people in Northern
    MvdV> Ireland have a right to hold a referendum about separating from the UK and
    MvdV> joining the Republic of Ireland. If a referendum were held today, it would
    MvdV> most likely end in favour of a reunion.

    The problem is more economic than about religion. Always has been.
    The British controlled Ireland for 400 years before Michael Collins
    came around to unite the Irish. Things are more peaceful today.

    MvdV> Other than that, I think the present arrangement with Northern Ireland
    MvdV> remaining part of the EU Customs Union but politially remaining part of the
    MvdV> UK, with a border in the Irish Sea and no land border in Ireland is not a
    MvdV> concept that is going to work in the long run.

    No more border with the Irish sea has been a rallying call among
    the British. Will PM Boris Johnson invoke article 16? We may soon
    find out.

    MvdV> In the end the Unionists will have to accept that this relic of the Brittish
    MvdV> Colonial Empire will come to an end just like all other relics of that era.
    MvdV> They will have to accept that they will have to choose between living in
    MvdV> the Irish Republic or move (back) to what remains of the United Kingdom.

    What remains of the United Kingdom may be only bits and pieces.
    The vast majority of Londoners voted against Brexit. And the Scots
    want full independence. Not sure how long Wales would want to stay.
    Ireland will most likely reunite in the very near future, and it
    is entirely possible that London could become an independent
    city-state, kind of like the principality of Monaco.

    MvdV> I am afraid they won't let go peacefully. Old wounds will be teared open and
    MvdV> the "Troubles" may return. I hope not, I hope that those concerned will be
    MvdV> pragmatic enough to not let it come to that, but I am not going to hold my
    MvdV> breath..

    It takes a long time for old wounds to heal. And some crimes are
    never forgiven. Nobody should want a return to the violence of the
    past, and all should work for a peaceful future for everyone.

    MvdV> I love Ireland. I really hope the transition will be peaceful.

    And yet, Brexit is already causing divisions. How to distribute
    covid vaccines is the issue of the day for many ...

    --Lee

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Paul Quinn on Sat Feb 6 11:15:30 2021

    On 3/02/2021 23:02, 3640/1384 wrote:

    Then I have another shot of the incohol...

    For some reason I thought that you abstained from such behaviour...

    I'll have to bring some rum net time I call by...

    :)

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    Regards
    David

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to David Drummond on Sat Feb 6 12:01:46 2021

    Hi! David,

    On 06 Feb 2021, David Drummond said the following...

    Then I have another shot of the incohol...
    For some reason I thought that you abstained from such behaviour...

    I don't do donkeypiss. (Only ever was one good beer '1982 XXXX Gold', IIRC. Or was it '88?)

    I'll have to bring some rum net time I call by...
    :)

    Mmm. Yes... a motel frige Vodka bottle would be great. I need a mixer for
    my usual Pygmie (short Black Russian). I'm doing them 'neat' these days/nights. Please.

    DD> Thunderbi * Origin: Chinchilla, QLD, Oz (3:640/305)

    WTF are you doing there? Rock hunting?

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Paul Quinn on Sat Feb 6 20:13:16 2021

    On 6/02/2021 12:01, 3640/1384 wrote:

      DD> Thunderbi * Origin: Chinchilla, QLD, Oz (3:640/305)

    WTF are you doing there?  Rock hunting?

    They have rocks here? I've seen plenty of gas wells but no rocks of note. I've heard that they have a melon festival here each year too, and it is not a wet Y-shirt competition.

    I'm on holiday - seeing the country but too concerned to go too far unless they lock state borders or insist I stay at a hotel for 2 weeks and pay for it myself.

    --
    Regards
    David

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to David Drummond on Sat Feb 6 22:02:24 2021

    Hi! David,

    On 06 Feb 2021, David Drummond said the following...

    They have rocks here? I've seen plenty of gas wells but no rocks of
    note. I've heard that they have a melon festival here each year too, and it is not a wet Y-shirt competition.

    Kewl. I had no idea. Thst was way better than a Google. Thanks. Aw, I cannot tell a lie...

    I checked Google later. There are actually petrified tree rocks there...

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Paul Quinn on Sun Feb 7 13:00:16 2021

    On 6/02/2021 22:02, 3640/1384 wrote:

    I checked Google later.  There are actually petrified tree rocks there...

    I wonder where they hide them. No sign of them in the main street...

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    Regards
    David

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  • From Terry Roati@3:640/1321 to David Drummond on Sun Feb 7 14:26:52 2021


    Maybe the tourists took them :)

    On Feb 07, 2021 01:00pm, David Drummond wrote to Paul Quinn:

    On 6/02/2021 22:02, 3640/1384 wrote:

    I checked Google later.  There are actually petrified tree rocks
    there...

    I wonder where they hide them. No sign of them in the main street...

    --
    Regards
    David

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to David Drummond on Sun Feb 7 16:40:20 2021

    Hi! David,

    On 02/07/2021 01:00 PM, you wrote:

    I checked Google later. There are actually petrified tree rocks
    there...

    I wonder where they hide them. No sign of them in the main street...

    In plain sight. They grow them petrified for sale the following year.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Paul Quinn on Mon Feb 8 07:12:20 2021

    On 7/02/2021 16:40, 3640/1384.125 wrote:

     PQ>>> I checked Google later.  There are actually petrified tree rocks
     DD>> there...

     DD>> I wonder where they hide them. No sign of them in the main street...

    In plain sight.  They grow them petrified for sale the following year.

    It seems that there is a public fossicking area for petrified stuff just north west of the town. One has to have a fossiker's permit to participate.

    I'm leaving here today for other parts so I won't be seeking a permit.

    --
    Regards
    David

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to David Drummond on Mon Feb 8 16:55:52 2021

    On 8/02/2021 07:12, 3640/305 wrote:

    I'm leaving here today for other parts so I won't be seeking a permit.

    And now I'm at this thriving metropolis for a couple of nights.

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    Regards
    David

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to David Drummond on Mon Feb 8 17:33:48 2021

    Hi! David,

    On 02/08/2021 04:55 PM, you wrote:

    And now I'm at this thriving metropolis for a couple of nights.

    Ah, the Bun... some say. Nice pub. Looks familiar. ;)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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