• Global warming

    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to All on Fri Jan 29 22:25:12 2021

    Scientists have calculated that enough ice to cover the entire USA with a three meter thick layer has melted since 1974 -- and is accelerating.

    It's about time that the people in NYC and Miami starts looking for a good pair of Wellingtons... 8-)



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Björn Felten on Fri Jan 29 17:04:00 2021

    Björn Felten wrote to All <=-

    Scientists have calculated that enough ice to cover the entire
    USA with a three meter thick layer has melted since 1974 -- and
    is accelerating.

    How thick would that be if it covered all of Sweden?

    It's about time that the people in NYC and Miami starts
    looking for a good pair of Wellingtons... 8-)

    I'm sure the cause of this (supposed) fact is all the fault of the USA
    too, right?

    How about a reference/citation to the source of this info?

    (Taking bets that it comes from some leftist-propaganda rag).



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Sat Jan 30 02:46:22 2021

    I'm sure the cause of this (supposed) fact is all the fault of the USA too, right?

    Not all, but with a population of 4% and responsible for 20% of all pollution, you are unproportionally responsible, yes.

    How about a reference/citation to the source of this info?

    No problem:

    https://tinyurl.com/y35ha5p3

    (Taking bets that it comes from some leftist-propaganda rag).

    It's the Swedish state television, and since Sweden is a socialist country (with free childcare, free healthcare, 5 weeks paid vacation, 18 months paid leave for either parent after child birth, affordable housing and all that crap, you know) so in your book it's probably leftist, although not propaganda -- that's against the law on Swedish television.




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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Oli on Sat Jan 30 10:19:34 2021

    Growth is good, right?

    Absolutely. Endless growth is the Ponzi scheme that capitalism relies upon. Enormous wealth to everybody. Yeah!



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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Björn Felten on Sat Jan 30 10:58:12 2021

    Hello Björn,

    On Saturday January 30 2021 10:19, you wrote to Oli:

    Growth is good, right?

    Absolutely. Endless growth is the Ponzi scheme that capitalism
    relies upon. Enormous wealth to everybody. Yeah!

    I have always wondered how people can beleive that a system that relies on continues growth can have a long term future...


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sat Jan 30 12:13:32 2021

    MvdV> I have always wondered how people can beleive that a system that relies
    MvdV> on continues growth can have a long term future...

    A lot of people have not been taught critical thinking at school. They believe everything they are being told. Inject bleach or stick a UV light up your ass to cure you from COVID-19, the election was rigged, USA is a democracy (blissfully unaware of Gerrymandering and Electoral College) and so on.



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Björn Felten on Sat Jan 30 08:35:00 2021

    Björn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    I'm sure the cause of this (supposed) fact is all the fault of the USA too, right?

    Not all, but with a population of 4% and responsible for 20%
    of all pollution, you are unproportionally responsible, yes.

    So, if we were to shut down all of the manufacturing/industry that
    contributes to this, how would the world react? Should we also shut
    down the defense mechanisms that keep you safe over there?

    How about a reference/citation to the source of this info?

    No problem:
    https://tinyurl.com/y35ha5p3

    Heh, yeah that's very helpful. :-)

    (Taking bets that it comes from some leftist-propaganda rag).

    It's the Swedish state television, and since Sweden is a
    socialist country (with free childcare, free healthcare, 5 weeks
    paid vacation, 18 months paid leave for either parent after child
    birth, affordable housing and all that crap, you know) so in your
    book it's probably leftist, although not propaganda -- that's
    against the law on Swedish television.

    Yep, everything's "free". What a utopian society that must be. LOL


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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Bj÷rn Felten on Sat Jan 30 09:03:00 2021

    Bj÷rn Felten wrote to Oli <=-

    Growth is good, right?

    Absolutely. Endless growth is the Ponzi scheme that capitalism
    relies upon. Enormous wealth to everybody. Yeah!

    A typical lib/socialist misunderstanding. Capitalism doesn't promise
    enormous wealth to everybody. What it does is provide the
    *OPPORTUNITY* for you to try and achieve that, with a reasonable
    chance of success.

    Does that opportunity exist for you Euro-commies? If you *DID* start
    to become too successful (in the eyes of the masters), they would step
    in and take it away from you, for the "good of the state".

    I guess your "free education" system doesn't teach you that, eh?



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Sat Jan 30 17:18:12 2021

    Does that opportunity exist for you Euro-commies?

    Well, IKEA founder Swedish Ingvar Kamprad (now dead) was the fifth richest man in the world. Does that answer your stupid, ignorant question?

    Does your inferior educational system not teach you the difference between socialism and communism -- or do you still have the same old McCarthyism with the same commie scare?

    Socialism = slavery, eh?


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Kurt Weiske on Sat Jan 30 17:59:38 2021

    Very well analysed, Kurt!

    3. The claimant states that their claim is so prevalent that it doesn't require validation - or they claim that there are so many citations out there that they leave the proof of their claim up to you.

    Hmmm... A certain, former POTUS I know of was a master of this, using it hundreds of times.



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Kurt Weiske on Sat Jan 30 18:02:16 2021

    4. (insert organization here) is in bed with mainstream media, and since you don't read the same web sites the claimant does, you're ill-informed.

    ... and of course this too. FAKE NEWS!!!



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Björn Felten on Sat Jan 30 16:08:00 2021

    Björn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Does that opportunity exist for you Euro-commies?

    Well, IKEA founder Swedish Ingvar Kamprad (now dead) was the
    fifth richest man in the world. Does that answer your stupid,
    ignorant question?

    Blah, blah-blah-blah, blah. Why did he live in Switzerland for four
    decades, after he got rich?

    Does your inferior educational system not teach you the
    difference between socialism and communism -- or do you still
    have the same old McCarthyism with the same commie scare?

    LOL. You should have stayed in school.

    Socialism = slavery, eh?

    Pretty much, yep. Ask somebody in Venezuela.

    By the way, I won't continue to respond to your posts when you
    selectively cherry-pick one sentence from a three paragraph post that
    I made (like you did above). You do that to avoid having to respond
    to the rest of what I said, and to remove any context that might make
    the meaning of my one sentence quite different than what you want it
    to appear as.

    Another typical Lib tactic, very common, and very deceitful.


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Sat Jan 30 23:47:44 2021

    By the way, I won't continue to respond to your posts

    Excellent.



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Björn Felten on Sun Jan 31 08:22:00 2021

    Björn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    By the way, I won't continue to respond to your posts

    Excellent.

    For context, since the feeb known as Bj?rn loves to snip relevant
    context, the below is what he cherry-picked the line above from (in a
    previous post of mine):

    By the way, I won't continue to respond to your posts when you
    selectively cherry-pick one sentence from a three paragraph post that
    I made (like you did above). You do that to avoid having to respond
    to the rest of what I said, and to remove any context that might make
    the meaning of my one sentence quite different than what you want it
    to appear as.

    Another typical Lib tactic, very common, and very deceitful.



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Oli on Sun Jan 31 08:23:00 2021

    Oli wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    I won't continue to respond to your posts

    brilliant idea

    Another context-snipper. Maybe you're another of Bj?rn's
    sock-puppets?

    Hey Oli. FOAD.



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Sun Jan 31 17:11:10 2021

    loves to snip relevant context

    That's right, with emphasis on *relevant*. Snipping out only the relevant part of a comment is called quote trimming, as opposed to excessive quoting -- some people even quotes the entire message.

    Every fido editor developed after 17 December 1971 (when FTS-9 was introduced) should be able of comment linking for the benefit of those who can't even remember what they wrote only a few days ago.



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bjrn Felten on Sun Jan 31 20:11:14 2021

    Hello Björn,

    loves to snip relevant context

    That's right, with emphasis on *relevant*. Snipping out only the relevant part of a comment is called quote trimming, as opposed to excessive quoting
    -- some people even quotes the entire message.

    A man acting as his own lawyer has a fool for a client.

    Every fido editor developed after 17 December 1971 (when FTS-9 was introduced) should be able of comment linking for the benefit of those who can't even remember what they wrote only a few days ago.

    That may be. But how relevant is that in this day and age?
    We have a man here in the USA, a former president, who is about
    to be put on trial for "high crimes and misdemeanors", which
    if conviced may mean the end of his political career. And what
    has he done? He fired all five of his lawyers, just before the
    trial is to begin. So who did he hire? Himself! You think I am
    making this up? I do admit to have somewhat of an overactive
    imagination at times, but this is something else!

    Trump to Defend Self After Receiving Law Degree from Trump University

    PALM BEACH (The Borowitz Report)—Donald J. Trump will act as his own
    defense attorney at his impeachment trial after receiving a law degree
    from Trump University.

    Trump bestowed the degree upon himself in his capacity as the dean of
    the Trump University School of Law, where he graduated first in his
    class.

    In his first official statement as the lead attorney of his defense
    team, Trump vowed not to quit the team “like those other losers.”

    Davis Logsdon, a law professor at the University of Minnesota, called
    Trump’s new status as his own attorney “problematic.”

    “It’s true that he will now have a fool for a client, but that was
    also true of his other attorneys,” Logsdon said. “One downside of
    working for himself, however, is that he definitely will not get paid.”

    https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-to-defend-self -after-receiving-law-degree-from-trump-university


    Let's see Dan C. top that!

    --Lee

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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Jan 31 23:29:58 2021

    Davis Logsdon, a law professor at the University of Minnesota, called Trump’s new status as his own attorney “problematic.”

    A search for Mr. Davis for the last seven days on the Washington Post website gave no hits.

    Are you sure this is not Fake News?



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Rob Swindell on Mon Feb 1 10:06:54 2021

    That date is a joke, right?

    LOL! Rather a typo. Good catch!

    MSGID / REPLY
    A standard for unique message identifiers
    and reply chain linkage

    17 December, 1991





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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bjrn Felten on Mon Feb 1 17:37:20 2021

    Hello Björn,

    Davis Logsdon, a law professor at the University of Minnesota, called
    Trump’s new status as his own attorney “problematic.”

    A search for Mr. Davis for the last seven days on the Washington Post website gave no hits.

    Are you sure this is not Fake News?

    Humor. Not alternative facts. As noted in the cite.
    Do pay attention. :)

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Mon Feb 1 19:17:04 2021

    Hello Björn,

    That date is a joke, right?

    LOL! Rather a typo. Good catch!

    MSGID / REPLY
    A standard for unique message identifiers
    and reply chain linkage

    17 December, 1991


    Yeah. I get that. And it is funny. Stuff like that does happen.
    But this particular date is also signifincant in other ways.

    The date you cited - 17 December 1971

    What happened on that day in history?
    Radio Bangladesh begins transmitting.

    So was it really a typo?
    Or is it something that you don't want to tell us?

    Did Fidonet really begin, at a secret location, in Bangladesh?
    With Tom Jennings providing cover in San Francisco, USA?

    The only thing of real importance I could find was Honky Dory,
    the album released by David Bowie on that date, after his album
    from 1970, The Man Who Sold the World.

    A truly great artist, he is still missed by many on this planet,
    and beyond.

    Of course, others have chimed in, suggesting the correct
    date should have been 17 December, 1991.

    What happeed on that day in history?
    Cleveland Cavaliers beat Miami Heat 148-80, by 68 points.
    This was the NBA's most lopsided game in history.

    Then I started thinking it was only the year you were confused
    about. Not so much the date itself. So I took a looksee to find
    out what is so special about that certain day of the year.

    And lo and behold, lookee at what I found -

    EVENTS

    17 December 1790 - discovery of the Aztec calendar stone
    17 December 1903 - first flight of the Wright flyer
    17 December 1989 - first episode of The Simpsons aired

    BIRTHDAYS

    17 December 1978 - Manny Pacquiao
    17 December 1936 - Pope Francis
    17 December 1770 - Ludwig van Beethoven

    DEATHS

    17 December 2011 - Kim Jong II
    17 December 2010 - Captain Beefheart
    17 December 1933 - 13th Dalai Lama
    17 December 1830 - Simon Bolivar
    17 December 1273 - Rumi

    --Lee

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Dan Clough on Tue Feb 2 07:18:00 2021

    On 30/01/2021 09:04, 1123/115 wrote:

    I'm sure the cause of this (supposed) fact is all the fault of the USA too, right?

    Surely a three metre thick ice covering over USA wouldn't be anyone else's fault?

    How about a reference/citation to the source of this info?

    (Taking bets that it comes from some leftist-propaganda rag).

    ROFL

    Definition of Unbiased News : News that agrees with my opinion.

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Bjrn Felten on Tue Feb 2 07:22:54 2021

    On 31/01/2021 02:18, 2203/2 wrote:

       Does your inferior educational system not teach you the difference between socialism and communism -- or do you still have the same old McCarthyism with the same commie scare?

       Socialism = slavery, eh?

    I see Biden is trying to increase the minimum wage in USA. The current one is little better than slavery.

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Dan Clough on Tue Feb 2 07:26:58 2021

    On 1/02/2021 00:22, 1123/115 wrote:

    Another typical Lib tactic, very common, and very deceitful.

    ROFL.

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Dan Clough on Tue Feb 2 07:27:40 2021

    On 1/02/2021 00:23, 1123/115 wrote:
    Oli wrote to Dan Clough <=-

     DC>> I won't continue to respond to your posts

     Ol>> brilliant idea

    Another context-snipper.  Maybe you're another of Bj?rn's
    sock-puppets?

    Hey Oli.  FOAD.

    That's right, attack the messenger, not the message.

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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Mon Feb 1 22:57:48 2021

    That's right, attack the messenger, not the message.

    Another typical Clough tactic, very common, and very deceitful.





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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Tue Feb 2 04:44:06 2021

    Hello David,

    Does your inferior educational system not teach you the difference
    between socialism and communism -- or do you still have the same old
    McCarthyism with the same commie scare?

    Socialism = slavery, eh?

    I see Biden is trying to increase the minimum wage in USA. The current one is little better than slavery.

    Louisiana has no minimum wage. Neither does Sweden.
    What does Australia pretend to have?

    --Lee

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Oli on Tue Feb 2 17:43:08 2021

    Hi! Oli,

    On 02/02/2021 05:17 PM, you wrote to David Drummond:

    That's right, attack the messenger, not the message.

    I'll attack the mail software

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    If you are using Thunderbird + JamNNTPd, why is there no TZUTC kludge? Outdated version of JamNNTPd?

    When I had a Windows JamNNTPd server running in Windows 98SE, it never quoted the correct value all year. It would insert a DST value when we never observed that aberration. So, I turned off that option.

    Perhaps he has the same trouble?[shrug]

    How's mine? (I'll see after it's sent...)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Oli on Tue Feb 2 09:20:04 2021

    If you are using Thunderbird + JamNNTPd, why is there no TZUTC kludge? Outdated version of JamNNTPd?

    There's really no need for that kludge when using Thunderbird, it takes care of that without the need for a fido kludge. This is what it looks like in the message you are quoting:

    Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 06:27:40 GMT

    Displays perfectly here as 07:27 (I too has local time UTC+1).



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Paul Quinn on Tue Feb 2 09:36:06 2021

    It would insert a DST value when we never observed that aberration.

    Lucky you! When Sweden reintroduced DST in the mid 1980s almost everyone objected. Not only was it an unnecessary work going around, setting all clocks and watches twice a year, it even caused problems for the dairy farmers who never managed to teach their cows to change their milking time.

    A couple of years ago EU tried to tell the member states to abandon this shite, but the various countries cannot agree upon using summertime or wintertime, so the decree is still not implemented. :(


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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1138 to Oli on Tue Feb 2 18:30:32 2021

    Hi! Oli,

    On 02 Feb 2021, Oli said the following...

    @TZUTC: 0100

    How's mine? (I'll see after it's sent...)

    Looks good, your mail is not from the future. Time is displayed as 08:43 (my local time is 08:54).

    Yes. It's displaying your local time for when I launched the note at my end. It was 17:43 AEST here. Your 9 hour difference shows.

    Apologies if I'm telling you something already known to you.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Björn Felten on Tue Feb 2 19:01:20 2021

    Hiya!

    On 02 Feb 2021, Björn Felten said the following...

    Lucky you! When Sweden reintroduced DST in the mid 1980s almost everyone objected. Not only was it an unnecessary work going around, setting all clocks and watches twice a year, it even caused problems for the dairy farmers who never managed to teach their cows to change their milking time.

    The going joke here was the curtains faded mode rapidly. We have three
    states and an island state that toy with their time pieces twice a year, minimum. Oh, the fun!

    My sister who lives in Adelaide (South Australia) is normally a half-hour behind Queensland (my loc.) but DST puts her a half-hour ahead in summer. Hardly normal, hey. I love 'listenin'g to her mental gyrations when she
    calls me. ;)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Paul Quinn on Tue Feb 2 11:07:52 2021

    We have three
    states and an island state that toy with their time pieces twice a year, minimum. Oh, the fun!

    Yeah, that sounds like fun. If I remember correctly from the Y2K celebrations you even have a point where three different time zones meet, so with just a few small steps you can time travel back and forth. Right?

    Sweden is fortunate enough to have longitude 15 (UTC+1) running right through the middle of our country. That means that true noon in Stockholm is at 11:54 and in Gothenburg at 12:12. Those are the two biggest cities here.

    The two extremes, Strömstad in the west and Haparanda in the east, both tiny cities with about 7,000 citizens, have true noon at 12:16 and 11:24 respectively.

    Now moving the clock one hour actually means a lot here.


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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Björn Felten on Tue Feb 2 20:28:52 2021

    Hi!

    On 02 Feb 2021, Björn Felten said the following...

    Yeah, that sounds like fun. If I remember correctly from the Y2K celebrations you even have a point where three different time zones
    meet, so with just a few small steps you can time travel back and forth. Right?

    Yes. David has been there, and done that. I haven't seen the t-shirt, yet. :)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Feb 2 20:08:46 2021

    On 2/02/2021 13:44, 2203/2 wrote:

     BF>>> Socialism = slavery, eh?

     DD>> I see Biden is trying to increase the minimum wage in USA. The
    current one
     DD>> is little better than slavery.

    Louisiana has no minimum wage. Neither does Sweden.
    What does Australia pretend to have?

    Australia does have a "national minimum wage", although I have never been employed here at that level.

    A quick Google (yes, Google still works in Aus but I don't know for how much longer) shows:

    "As of 1 July 2020 the national minimum wage is $19.84 per hour or $753.80 per week. Employees covered by an award or registered agreement are entitled to the minimum pay rates, including penalty rates and allowances in their award or agreement. These pay rates may be higher than the National Minimum Wage."

    My calculator tells me that this is for a 38 hour week. That makes a little over $39,000 per annum. They would have to pay income tax on 21K of that.

    My Government funded old age pension pays me a little over $11.00 per hour (weekly total amount/38). I do not pay any tax on that. I get lots of pensioner discounts too.

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    Regards
    David

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Oli on Tue Feb 2 20:11:54 2021

    On 2/02/2021 17:17, 2280/464.47 wrote:

     DD>> That's right, attack the messenger, not the message.

    I'll attack the mail software


     DD>> --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0)
    Gecko/20100101 Thunderbi
     DD>>   * Origin: Goombungee, QLD, Oz (3:640/305)

    If you are using Thunderbird + JamNNTPd, why is there no TZUTC kludge?

    Do I need one of those, or is it just more clutter to compensate for my diminutive genitalia?

    Outdated version of JamNNTPd?

    Still seems to send/receive message OK.

    --
    Regards
    David

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Paul Quinn on Tue Feb 2 20:14:18 2021

    On 2/02/2021 17:43, 3640/1384.125 wrote:

    ; If you are using Thunderbird + JamNNTPd, why is there no TZUTC kludge?
    ; Outdated version of JamNNTPd?

    When I had a Windows JamNNTPd server running in Windows 98SE, it never quoted the correct value all year.  It would insert a DST value when we never observed that aberration.  So, I turned off that option.

    Perhaps he has the same trouble?[shrug]

    It was set up some years ago - I don't remember all of the tweaks that were done to make it "stable".

    It it works then don't fix it.

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    Regards
    David

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Bjrn Felten on Tue Feb 2 20:16:54 2021

    On 2/02/2021 18:20, 2203/2 wrote:
    ; If you are using Thunderbird + JamNNTPd, why is there no TZUTC kludge?
    ; Outdated version of JamNNTPd?

       There's really no need for that kludge when using Thunderbird, it takes care of that without the need for a fido kludge. This is what it looks like in the message you are quoting:

       Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 06:27:40 GMT

       Displays perfectly here as 07:27 (I too has local time UTC+1).

    My local time is UTC+10

    --
    Regards
    David

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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Tue Feb 2 12:12:52 2021

    Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 06:27:40 GMT

    Displays perfectly here as 07:27 (I too has local time UTC+1).

    My local time is UTC+10

    So we can conclude that you posted your message at 16:27:40 local time, then. That's half past four in the afternoon for those backward people who still insist on that AM/PM crap... 8-)



    ..

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  • From Charles Pierson@1:106/127 to Björn Felten on Tue Feb 2 06:02:58 2021

    On 02 Feb 2021, Björn Felten said the following...
    Lucky you! When Sweden reintroduced DST in the mid 1980s almost everyone objected. Not only was it an unnecessary work going around, setting all clocks and watches twice a year, it even caused problems for the dairy farmers who never managed to teach their cows to change their milking time.

    I have a schedule with my dogs that I'm good with. 3pm Is a time I let the girls outside run around and such. Then one day they started raising a
    rucjus at 2pm. It took me several days to realize we had switched to
    Standard time from DST but dogs can read a clock, they just think I'm maling them wait longer for their excercise.

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Paul Quinn on Sat Feb 6 11:07:52 2021

    On 2/02/2021 20:28, 3640/1384 wrote:

     BF>>     Yeah, that sounds like fun. If I remember correctly from the Y2K
     BF>> celebrations you even have a point where three different time zones
     BF>> meet, so with just a few small steps you can time travel back and forth.
     BF>> Right?

    Yes.  David has been there, and done that.  I haven't seen the t-shirt, yet.
    :)

    I used to have a photo on my web page of my ex sitting on the post at Cameron Corner where Qld, NSW and SA meet.

    I had the photo captioned "An arse that covers three states". I was not in the good books for a while (cannot imagine why...)


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    Regards
    David

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Bjrn Felten on Sat Feb 6 11:10:32 2021

    On 2/02/2021 21:12, 2203/2 wrote:

     BF>>>      Displays perfectly here as 07:27 (I too has local time UTC+1).

     DD>> My local time  is UTC+10

       So we can conclude that you posted your message at 16:27:40 local time, then.

    Probably - that was several days ago, I don't keep a close track on what I was doing at what time any more.

    --
    Regards
    David

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