• Permanently Banned

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Sat Jan 9 01:55:22 2021

    Hello Everybody,

    Twitter has permanently suspended President Donald Trump's account.

    Does the moderator of this echo have the same balls to do that?

    Well, first the moderator has to invite him. And with only 12
    days left to his term, likely to be cut short due to impeachment
    and removal from office, that invitation should be issued sooner
    rather than later.

    So how about it, Björn? Are you game? I know you have always
    wanted to debate with the big boys. Now's your chance.

    Will you consider making this place Donald J. Trump's new home?
    After all, he will soon become private citizen Donald J. Trump
    and will have lots of free time on his hands. And he loves to use
    his tiny hands to type short messages.

    Just think of what this will mean to Fidonet. All of his base
    logging on, each day, to send and receive messages from their
    dear leader. You could even rename the echo MAGALAND.

    With the King of Fidonet being in charge, of course.

    --Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Jan 9 10:05:12 2021

    Will you consider making this place Donald J. Trump's new home?

    Don't you think that the CONSPRCY echo would be much more appropriate for that stupid SOB. After all that's his forte.



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sat Jan 9 23:31:54 2021

    Hello Björn,

    Will you consider making this place Donald J. Trump's new home?

    Don't you think that the CONSPRCY echo would be much more appropriate for that stupid SOB. After all that's his forte.

    You may be right. Especially since he has also been permanently
    banned by Instagram and Facebook.

    Has any other world leader ever done that? Hit the trifecta - Twitter/Instagram/Facebook. All in the same week. Maybe the same
    day. And you don't want him? Sure. Send him over. And not just
    him, but all his minions. I am sure you and the rest of the world
    have seen what they did at the Capitol building the other day. Just
    think of what they can do in an echo with rules that are no rules.

    Note: Due to technical difficulties only orange buttons work.
    The issue may or may not be related to MAGA sickness ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to paul lee on Sun Jan 10 04:53:46 2021

    Hello Paul,

    Twitter has permanently suspended President Donald Trump's account.
    Does the moderator of this echo have the same balls to do that?

    Please, I hope s/he doesn't...

    You have to realize he is scrambling to find a new social network
    to play in. Starting to get desperate. Truly desperate.

    Well, first the moderator has to invite him. And with only 12
    days left to his term, likely to be cut short due to impeachment
    and removal from office, that invitation should be issued sooner
    rather than later.

    25th, now.

    I think Vice President Pence's wife is telling him she would much
    prefer to have the President at her side, rather than the President's
    sidekick. I also think Vice President Pence is starting to like the
    idea of being President Pence.

    Impeach if needed...

    I think the Vice President is giving President Trump until Monday
    morning to resign from office. Or maybe he will choose not to wait
    that long. Depending on his wife's mood.

    make sure Trump can never again screw our country -

    I do not believe Mike Pence wants anybody to screw his wife.

    altho I think Trump has already done enough himself,

    Cheating at golf is one thing. One of his (former) aides wrote
    a book about that. But as private citizen, nobody else will care.

    to cull his face from any office in the future...

    For that, the Congress will have to pass a law. But that would not
    be constitutional. Unless he is impeached and removed from office
    first. Otherwise, he could come back to haunt us again. And we would
    all be screwed. Including Pence's wife.

    but there ARE a bunch of idiots in this country, so...

    Yes. But not all of them are useful. That is the problem.

    So how about it, Björn? Are you game? I know you have always
    wanted to debate with the big boys. Now's your chance.

    Will you consider making this place Donald J. Trump's new home?
    After all, he will soon become private citizen Donald J. Trump
    and will have lots of free time on his hands. And he loves to use
    his tiny hands to type short messages.

    Just think of what this will mean to Fidonet. All of his base
    logging on, each day, to send and receive messages from their
    dear leader. You could even rename the echo MAGALAND.

    No, no, no, nononononononononoonononononononononono!

    You are talking about a madman. A madman in search of a new
    social network. And he has already run out of a lot of options.
    Just look at all the social media platforms he is banned from
    using (so far) -

    * apple
    * discord
    * facebook
    * google
    * instagram
    * pinterest
    * reddit
    * shopify
    * snapchat
    * tiktok
    * twitch
    * twitter
    * youtube

    Adding fidonet to that list would almost amount to being considered
    cruel and unusual punishment. And we all know what elvis said about
    that. Or rather sang -

    "Don't be cruel ... to a heart that's true."

    With the King of Fidonet being in charge, of course.

    I like you, Lee... :P

    Trump is ranting online "I will not resign!" as everybody else is
    watching the NFL playoffs. This is akin to Nixon's famous last words,
    "I am not a crook!" just before he resigned from office in disgrace.

    Fun days ahead.

    --Lee

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Jan 10 17:14:24 2021

    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 09.01.2021 01:55

    Twitter has permanently suspended President Donald Trump's
    account. Does the moderator of this echo have the same balls to
    do that? Well, first the moderator has to invite him. And with
    only 12 days left to his term, likely to be cut short due to
    impeachment and removal from office, that invitation should be
    issued sooner rather than later.
    So how about it, Björn? Are you game? I know you have always
    wanted to debate with the big boys. Now's your chance.
    Will you consider making this place Donald J. Trump's new home?
    After all, he will soon become private citizen Donald J. Trump
    and will have lots of free time on his hands. And he loves to
    use his tiny hands to type short messages.
    Just think of what this will mean to Fidonet. All of his base
    logging on, each day, to send and receive messages from their
    dear leader. You could even rename the echo MAGALAND.
    With the King of Fidonet being in charge, of course.

    The owner of a privite network has all rights to block anybody he wants.
    The way out is simple - Trump will create Trumpbook.com ;-) And certanly
    no chance for Biden to be there!

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From jimmylogan@1:261/20 to alexander koryagin on Sun Jan 10 15:18:36 2021

    alexander koryagin wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    The owner of a privite network has all rights to block anybody he
    wants. The way out is simple - Trump will create Trumpbook.com ;-) And certanly no chance for Biden to be there!

    You may have meant that tongue-in-cheek, but that's a GREAT idea!!!

    I'm already on Parler and MEWE cause of stuff like this...




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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Mon Jan 11 06:02:08 2021

    Hello Alexander,

    Twitter has permanently suspended President Donald Trump's
    account. Does the moderator of this echo have the same balls to
    do that? Well, first the moderator has to invite him. And with
    only 12 days left to his term, likely to be cut short due to
    impeachment and removal from office, that invitation should be
    issued sooner rather than later.
    So how about it, BjФrn? Are you game? I know you have always
    wanted to debate with the big boys. Now's your chance.
    Will you consider making this place Donald J. Trump's new home?
    After all, he will soon become private citizen Donald J. Trump
    and will have lots of free time on his hands. And he loves to
    use his tiny hands to type short messages.
    Just think of what this will mean to Fidonet. All of his base
    logging on, each day, to send and receive messages from their
    dear leader. You could even rename the echo MAGALAND.
    With the King of Fidonet being in charge, of course.

    The owner of a privite network has all rights to block anybody he wants. The
    way out is simple - Trump will create Trumpbook.com ;-) And certanly no chance for Biden to be there!

    Well, we do have the 1st Amendment (Freedom of Speech).
    And the first thing it says is "Congress shall make no law"
    in regards to prohibiting the freedom of speech. So, it
    truly is up to us to limit ourselves to what we say and/or
    do.

    Please. Do not let Donald Trump know he can do that.
    It might go to his head and he might actually do it.
    After all, he has already been permanently banned by
    at least a dozen social media networks ...

    --Lee

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Jan 12 07:17:02 2021

    On 11/01/2021 15:02, 2203/2 wrote:

     ak>> The owner of a privite network has all rights to block anybody he wants. The
     ak>> way out is simple - Trump will create Trumpbook.com ;-) And certanly no
     ak>> chance for Biden to be there!

    Well, we do have the 1st Amendment (Freedom of Speech).
    And the first thing it says is "Congress shall make no law"
    in regards to prohibiting the freedom of speech.

    Does it say anything about private entities limiting expression in their systems?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Tue Jan 12 14:25:46 2021

    Hello David,

     ak>>> The owner of a privite network has all rights to block anybody he
    wants. The
     ak>>> way out is simple - Trump will create Trumpbook.com ;-) And
    certanly no
     ak>>> chance for Biden to be there!

    Well, we do have the 1st Amendment (Freedom of Speech).
    And the first thing it says is "Congress shall make no law"
    in regards to prohibiting the freedom of speech.

    Does it say anything about private entities limiting expression in their systems?

    Nope. Nothing at all about the Orange King.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to jimmylogan on Tue Jan 12 14:26:52 2021

    Hello Jimmy,

    The owner of a privite network has all rights to block anybody he
    wants. The way out is simple - Trump will create Trumpbook.com ;-) And
    certanly no chance for Biden to be there!

    You may have meant that tongue-in-cheek, but that's a GREAT idea!!!

    Being Russian, Alexander may not realize how right he is -

    "Congress shall make no law ..." ~Amendment One of the US Constitution

    I do hope and pray Donald Trump has not read Alexander's message.
    He may actually take his advice and do it.

    I'm already on Parler and MEWE cause of stuff like this...

    Trump has been permanently banned on Parler.
    And at least a dozen other places. As well as
    all PGA golf courses.

    .. I don't have time to wait for instant gratification.

    All it takes it one hand, not two.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Kurt Weiske on Tue Jan 12 14:27:02 2021

    Hello Kurt,

    Has any other world leader ever done that? Hit the trifecta -
    Twitter/Instagram/Facebook. All in the same week. Maybe the same
    day.

    Didn't TikTok pre-emptively ban Trump?

    Among others. At least a dozen, so far. Not only that, but he
    has also been permanently banned from PGA golf events, or from
    sponsoring any PGA events. You know that hurts. He had planned
    to sponsor the 2022 PGA golf championship, and now the golfing
    world has said it wants nothing to do with him.

    No more riding in golf carts for Donald J. Trump ...

    Irony, thy name is Social Media.

    For the most antisocial president this country has ever had.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Kurt Weiske on Tue Jan 12 14:27:12 2021

    Hello Kurt,

    You have to realize he is scrambling to find a new social network
    to play in. Starting to get desperate. Truly desperate.

    I'm sure Trump is going to start up some kind of "Freemium" American Patriots Network where the truly devout can pay to subscribe to his content,
    along with anyone else who's left.

    That seems likely. If there is a way for Trump to con folks out of
    their money, he will find it.

    Or, maybe he'll buy a majority interest in OANN, that seems as likely, and a
    more logical first step. All he needs is money, maybe Deutsche Bank can loan
    him a couple of million until his Presidential Pension kicks in?

    Deutsche Bank is still waiting for Trump to repay old loans, so is
    not likely to extend any more credit. And it may be a while before
    Trump is able to begin receiving his pension, with his tax returns
    being investigated ...

    --Lee

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Jan 13 09:10:56 2021

    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 11.01.2021 06:02

    ak>> The owner of a privite network has all rights to block
    ak>> anybody he wants. The way out is simple - Trump will create
    ak>> Trumpbook.com;-) And certanly no chance for Biden to be
    ak>> there!
    LL>
    LL> Well, we do have the 1st Amendment (Freedom of Speech).
    LL> And the first thing it says is "Congress shall make no law"
    LL> in regards to prohibiting the freedom of speech. So, it
    LL> ??truly is up to us to limit ourselves to what we say and/or
    LL> do.
    LL>
    LL> Please. Do not let Donald Trump know he can do that.
    LL> It might go to his head and he might actually do it.
    LL> After all, he has already been permanently banned by
    LL> at least a dozen social media networks ...
    LL>

    I heard Trump's followers moved to Telegram.

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Dale Shipp on Wed Jan 13 07:55:00 2021

    Dale Shipp wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    That seems likely. If there is a way for Trump to con folks out of
    their money, he will find it.

    He has already been doing that. He sends out robo-messages
    asking for donations to a "over throw the vote" fund -- and much
    of the money donated goes into a private coffer for him.

    How would you possibly know that is true?

    It's bullshit claims like this that make you libtards look......
    stupid.



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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Dan Clough on Wed Jan 13 06:44:46 2021

    Re: Re: Permanently Banned
    By: Dan Clough to Dale Shipp on Wed Jan 13 2021 07:55 am

    He has already been doing that. He sends out robo-messages
    asking for donations to a "over throw the vote" fund -- and much
    of the money donated goes into a private coffer for him.

    How would you possibly know that is true?

    You didn't know/see this?

    It's bullshit claims like this that make you libtards look......
    stupid.

    This is not a bullshit claim. Right wing denial and conspiracy theories are stupid.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Wed Jan 13 21:50:16 2021

    How would you possibly know that is true?

    Because it clearly says so in the robo-message. Duh.

    But the typical trumpster isn't smart enough to understand the meaning of the fine print at the end of the message...



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Thu Jan 14 01:43:40 2021

    Hello Dale,

    That seems likely. If there is a way for Trump to con folks out of
    their money, he will find it.

    He has already been doing that. He sends out robo-messages asking for donations to a "over throw the vote" fund -- and much of the money
    donated goes into a private coffer for him.

    Deutsche Bank finally wised up and pulled the plug on him.
    No more loans to orange man, after $300 million still needing
    to be repaid ...

    --Lee

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Dale Shipp on Thu Jan 14 08:04:00 2021

    Dale Shipp wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    He has already been doing that. He sends out robo-messages
    asking for donations to a "over throw the vote" fund -- and much
    of the money donated goes into a private coffer for him.

    How would you possibly know that is true?

    It's bullshit claims like this that make you libtards look......
    stupid.

    Not bullshit. It right there on the small print of the donation
    form, and has been widely reported.

    Uh-huh. Is that what CNN/MSNBC told you?

    Slurp some more Koolaid.



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Dan Clough on Fri Jan 15 01:52:02 2021

    On 01-14-21 08:04, Dan Clough <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Permanently Banned <=-

    Not bullshit. It right there on the small print of the donation
    form, and has been widely reported.

    Uh-huh. Is that what CNN/MSNBC told you?

    Have you donated? Did you look at the disclosure? How about providing
    a link to the disclosure for all to see if you can find it. The reports
    that I saw said that up to 75% went elsewhere other than to th fund to verify/overthrow the election results.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Dale Shipp on Fri Jan 15 07:56:00 2021

    Dale Shipp wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Not bullshit. It right there on the small print of the donation
    form, and has been widely reported.

    Uh-huh. Is that what CNN/MSNBC told you?

    Have you donated?

    No.

    Did you look at the disclosure?

    No. Don't even know what you're referring to here.

    How about
    providing a link to the disclosure for all to see if you can find
    it. The reports that I saw said that up to 75% went elsewhere
    other than to th fund to verify/overthrow the election results.

    LOL! You're the one claiming there is some kind of disclosure/fine
    print, and yet *I* am expected to find the link to this?

    How about *YOU* provide the link to support the bullshit claim that
    *YOU* made? Hmmmmm wonder why you haven't done that... Ha.



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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Kurt Weiske on Fri Jan 15 09:14:36 2021

    Re: Re: Permanently Banned
    By: Kurt Weiske to Dale Shipp on Fri Jan 15 2021 07:16 am

    reports that I saw said that up to 75% went elsewhere other than to
    th fund to verify/overthrow the election results.

    I think your agenda is showing.

    Not an agenda, I have been seeing the same thing. I think there will be facts to be provided around all this.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to paul lee on Fri Jan 15 18:31:10 2021

    Hello Paul,

    And at least a dozen other places. As well as
    all PGA golf courses.

    I bet hes most ticked off about this one...

    Trump has also been banned from hosting the 2022 PGA Golf
    Championship. That was his life-long dream.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Fri Jan 15 18:31:24 2021

    Hello Alexander,

    The owner of a privite network has all rights to block
    anybody he wants. The way out is simple - Trump will create
    Trumpbook.com;-) And certanly no chance for Biden to be
    there!

    Well, we do have the 1st Amendment (Freedom of Speech).
    And the first thing it says is "Congress shall make no law"
    in regards to prohibiting the freedom of speech. So, it
    ??truly is up to us to limit ourselves to what we say and/or
    do.

    Please. Do not let Donald Trump know he can do that.
    It might go to his head and he might actually do it.
    After all, he has already been permanently banned by
    at least a dozen social media networks ...

    I heard Trump's followers moved to Telegram.

    Fake news. They are hiding out on Signal.
    Where only they can know what they are doing.
    Even though none of them have a clue.

    --Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Fri Jan 15 20:04:04 2021

    LOL! You're the one claiming there is some kind of disclosure/fine
    print, and yet *I* am expected to find the link to this?

    BOC! You're the one that claims it's a left wing conspiracy hoax that Trump takes most of the donated money to pay for his personal debts. Duh!

    BTW, did you too take part of the terrorist assault on the Capitol?



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Brian Klauss on Fri Jan 15 16:55:00 2021

    Brian Klauss wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Sadly, I am sick of people who insult others. I get
    stereotyping, but the minute someone goes and calls people
    "retards", etc., immediately lose the argument in my book.

    Ahhhh, but those who call others (even massively generic groups of
    people such as "Trump supporters") names such as "childish, ignorant,
    racist, uneducated" are just.... perfectly OK, eh?

    No fault on them for doing that, *PRIOR* to anyone else responding in
    kind, right?

    Sheesh. How can we have a rational conversation with people like
    this?



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  • From Brian Klauss@1:104/116 to Dan Clough on Fri Jan 15 18:52:16 2021

    Re: Re: Permanently Banned
    By: Dan Clough to Brian Klauss on Fri Jan 15 2021 04:55 pm

    Ahhhh, but those who call others (even massively generic groups of
    people such as "Trump supporters") names such as "childish, ignorant, racist, uneducated" are just.... perfectly OK, eh?

    No. That is not okay. Yes, there are many Trump supporters who fit the bill but it is not the majority. Many Republicans voted for Trump because he was the name on the ticket and voting for a Democrat would go against their best interests (fiscal responsibility, social dynamics, etc.).

    There are days when I look at Trump's rallies and I laugh. Whether they are out there not wearing masks, bashing people of color, or eating every word that he says up, those are the people I seriously question.

    No fault on them for doing that, *PRIOR* to anyone else responding in kind, right?

    I'm not sure how to take this? Elaborate.

    Sheesh. How can we have a rational conversation with people like
    this?

    Again, expand.
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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Dan Clough on Sat Jan 16 12:16:30 2021

    On 13/01/2021 23:55, 1123/115 wrote:

     DS>> He has already been doing that.  He sends out robo-messages
     DS>> asking for donations to a "over throw the vote" fund -- and much
     DS>> of the money donated goes into a private coffer for him.

    How would you possibly know that is true?

    It's bullshit claims like this that make you libtards look......
    stupid.

    So... thinking that Mr Trump was milking political donations makes one a "stupid libtard"?

    What exactly is a "libtard"? It is not a word found in common use in this country.

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Dale Shipp on Sat Jan 16 12:19:14 2021

    On 14/01/2021 01:21, 1261/1466 wrote:

     DS>> He has already been doing that.  He sends out robo-messages
     DS>> asking for donations to a "over throw the vote" fund -- and much
     DS>> of the money donated goes into a private coffer for him.

     DC>> How would you possibly know that is true?

     DC>> It's bullshit claims like this that make you libtards look......
     DC>> stupid.

    Not bullshit.  It right there on the small print of the donation form, and has been widely reported.

    Reported by "fake news"?

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  • From Gnickel@3:640/1115 to David Drummond on Fri Jan 15 22:21:54 2021

    more like reported by eyeballs
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Brian Klauss on Sat Jan 16 14:00:56 2021

    Hello Brian,

    Trump has also been banned from hosting the 2022 PGA Golf
    Championship. That was his life-long dream.

    Come on... he can now say that he is the first president in United States history to be impeached twice. :)

    And in the same term!
    A record that might never be broken!

    --Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Oli on Sat Jan 16 16:52:58 2021

    I wouldn't bet on that. US voters and Republicans might be dumb enough
    to elect an even bigger asshole than Trump.

    The dumber he is, the easier they think it is to control their POTUS. And the more donations (AKA bribes) they can expect from the billionaires and major corporations. A perfectly corrupt society.

    The original meaning of fascism (as invented in Italy circa 1932) was a society govern by people who listened to the corporations and not the people. Hmmm... does that seem like the situation in the USA? Nahhh... Surely the US lawmakers would never do something like that?


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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Oli on Mon Jan 18 10:19:56 2021

    Hi, Oli!
    I read your message from 15.01.2021 20:22

    BF>> BTW, did you too take part of the terrorist assault on the
    BF>> Capitol?
    O>
    O> I'm sure he thinks it was a marvelous idea as the 45% of the
    O> Republican voters do (only 43% didn't like it).

    BTW, when a well-known events in Ukraine had been happening (storming
    the state buildings) the US encouraged them as a sign of democracy. The
    US State secretary visited Kiev and personally fed people on barricades
    with crackers. ;-)

    PS: It is also to the point who meddles in election processes around the world.

    Bye, Oli!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Mon Jan 18 10:11:40 2021

    The original meaning of fascism (as invented in Italy circa 1932) was
    a society govern by people who listened to the corporations and not the
    people. Hmmm... does that seem like the situation in the USA? Nahhh...
    Surely the US lawmakers would never do something like that?

    I think you are inventing this as you go.

    Please specify "this". All of the above or only parts of it?





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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bjrn Felten on Mon Jan 18 14:03:04 2021

    Hello Björn,

    I wouldn't bet on that. US voters and Republicans might be dumb enough
    to elect an even bigger asshole than Trump.

    The dumber he is, the easier they think it is to control their POTUS.

    Donald J. Trump was bright or clever enough to win his party's
    nomination, and then the general election. And then everybody found
    out he could not be controlled by anybody, or even himself.

    And the more donations (AKA bribes) they can expect from the billionaires and major corporations. A perfectly corrupt society.

    After his latest stunt, most (if not all) of the billionaires and
    major corporations jumped ship, investing their moneys elsewhere.
    The NRA has declared bankruptcy, the numbers of his mob continue
    to dwindle as more arrests are made, some of his billionaire pals
    have keeled over and can no longer contribute to his cause ...

    The original meaning of fascism (as invented in Italy circa 1932) was a society govern by people who listened to the corporations and not the people.

    The Italian Origin of Fascism

    The words fascism and fascist have long been associated with the
    Fascisti of Benito Mussolini and the fasces, the bundle of rods with
    an ax among them, which the Fascisti used as a symbol of the Italian
    people united and obedient to the single authority of the state.
    However, Mussolini did not introduce the word fascista (plural
    fascisti) with the 1919 organization of the Fasci di combattimento
    (“combat groups”), nor did the fasces have any direct connection with
    the origin of fascista. In Italian, the word fascio (plural fasci)
    means literally “bundle,” and figuratively “group.” From at least 1872 fascio was used in the names of labor and agrarian unions, and in
    October 1914 a political coalition was formed called the Fascio
    rivoluzionario d’ azione internazionalista (“revolutionary group for international action”), which advocated Italian participation in World
    War I on the side of the Allies. Members of this group were first
    called fascisti in January 1915. Although Mussolini was closely
    associated with this interventionist movement, it had no direct link
    with the post-war Fasci di combattimento, and in 1919 the word fascista
    was already in political circulation. It is, however, to the Fascisti
    in their 1919 incarnation—who seized power in Italy three years
    later—that we owe the current customary meanings of our words fascism
    and fascist.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism


    Hmmm... does that seem like the situation in the USA?

    Is the pope Catholic?

    Nahhh... Surely the US lawmakers would never do something like that?

    All democracies have fascist tendencies. Does that make every
    democracy a fascist state?

    --Lee

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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Jan 18 20:55:06 2021

    All democracies have fascist tendencies. Does that make every
    democracy a fascist state?

    Only those that have gone 100% corporate capitalistic.




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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bj÷rn Felten on Wed Jan 20 00:54:44 2021

    Hello Björn,

    All democracies have fascist tendencies. Does that make every
    democracy a fascist state?

    Only those that have gone 100% corporate capitalistic.

    "Fascism should rightly be called Corporation, as it
    is the merger of corporate and government power."
    ~ attributed to Benito Mussolini

    Why do people make up stuff that others have never said?
    Benito Mussolini was a former journalist, and would never
    have misquoted himself, much less others. But hey. Let's
    not quibble about stuff that Il Duce has never said, but
    what he really did say about fascism, in his own words -

    https://www.politicalresearch.org/2005/01/12/mussolini-corporate-state



    By your definition, quoted above, no state has ever gone
    100% corporate capitalistic. Nor is it likely any future
    state will ever achieve that status. So what is fascism?
    And what qualifies a state as being a fascist state?

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Marc Lewis on Mon Jan 25 16:22:56 2021

    Hello Marc,

    The Italian Origin of Fascism

    The words fascism and fascist have long been associated with the
    Fascisti of Benito Mussolini and the fasces, the bundle of rods
    with an ax among them, which the Fascisti used as a symbol of the
    Italian people united and obedient to the single authority of the
    state. However, Mussolini did not introduce the word fascista
    (plural fascisti) with the 1919 organization of the Fasci di
    combattimento ("combat groups"), nor did the fasces have any
    direct connection with the origin of fascista. In Italian, the word
    fascio (plural fasci) means literally "bundle," and
    figuratively "group." From at least 1872 fascio was used in the
    names of labor and agrarian unions, and in October 1914 a political
    coalition was formed called the Fascio rivoluzionario d'azione
    internazionalista ("revolutionary group for international
    action"), which advocated Italian participation in World War I on
    the side of the Allies. Members of this group were first called
    fascisti in January 1915. Although Mussolini was closely associated
    with this interventionist movement, it had no direct link with the
    post-war Fasci di combattimento, and in 1919 the word fascista was
    already in political circulation. It is, however, to the Fascisti
    in their 1919 incarnation, who seized power in Italy three years
    later, that we owe the current customary meanings of our words
    fascism and fascist.

    Thank you, Lee, for this bit of history that I found quite informative. What
    was the source? Or was it from your own knowledge?

    Merriam-Webster Dictionary. Noted cite at bottom of message.

    Benito Mussolini had his own version, which was unique in and
    of itself. He and FDR complimented each other for how they ran
    their respective economies. Before hostitilies began.

    --Lee

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