• Allrecipes, America's Most Unruly Cooking Web Site

    From Ben Collver@1:124/5016 to All on Tue Oct 1 10:44:31 2024
    Allrecipes, America's Most Unruly Cooking Web Site ==================================================

    by Ruby Tandoh

    A few months ago, I found myself in possession of a bag of apples and
    craving an apple pie, of the archetypal cooling-on-the-window-ledge
    variety. I pictured a double-crust flaky pastry around apple and
    cinnamon--not too complicated to make on a week night, but robust
    enough that I'd be able to slice a clean, thick wedge. Despite
    knowing how to make apple pie, I wanted the peace of mind that can
    come only from following a trusted recipe. I have more cookbooks than
    my bookshelves can support, including at least a dozen that could've
    proffered something reliable and extensively fussed over. I ignored
    them and Googled "apple pie recipe."

    The search engine quickly returned some options. First was "Homemade
    apple pie," from Good Food, a British site. (The algorithm tends to
    meet us where we are, which in my case is London.) Next, from the
    more boutique recipe sites, a run of superlatives--"Best Apple Pie
    Recipe We've Ever Made," "My Perfect Apple Pie," "Apple Pie Recipe
    with the Best Filling," "My Favorite Apple Pie"--laden with
    byzantine, keyword-riddled preambles. I stopped at the eighth result:
    "Apple Pie by Grandma Ople," from Allrecipes.com. It showed up next
    to a thumbnail photo that I probably could've taken on my phone. The
    preview text cut straight to the ingredients list, whereas other
    recipes had started with more of a hard sell. ("The pie crust is
    perfection and the filling will surprise and delight you.") Grandma
    Ople's version seemed low-key, amenable to the ordinary constraints
    of my kitchen and my patience. It had more than twelve thousand
    ratings, Google told me, with an average of 4.8 out of five stars. I
    clicked on through.

    If you have searched online for any classic American recipe at any
    point in the past twenty-five years, you will almost certainly have
    encountered Allrecipes. Feed the Google search bar "best chocolate
    chip cookies" and an Allrecipes version, submitted by a user going by
    Dora and with more than fourteen thousand five hundred almost
    unanimously glowing reviews, will probably come up on the first page
    of results. The site lacks the gravitas of Bon Appétit or the Times
    cooking section; instead, it falls in the category of sites you never
    really intend to end up on. Like the Internet itself, Allrecipes
    suffers for its ubiquity. You might not recall that you've used it,
    even if you've cooked Grandma Ople's apple pie every fall for the
    past decade.

    The recipes on Allrecipes are nearly all user-submitted. This gives
    it an aura of shambolic good will, a cross between a church cookbook
    and a fan-run Wiki. The site has a 4.5-star mac-and-cheese recipe
    posted under the username g0dluvsugly. One of the most popular
    recipes on the platform is John Chandler's 2001 upload "World's Best
    Lasagna" which could be called the most popular lasagna in the world:
    more than twenty thousand ratings, nearly fifteen thousand
    evangelical reviews, and more than seven million views per year. In
    2013, Chandler was invited to talk about it on "Good Morning
    America"; when he died, in 2022, he was eulogized on Allrecipes.

    The site's anarchic tendency can be charming. It also evokes the
    cautionary "too many cooks." Take the messy roster of carrot cakes:
    one anonymously authored carrot cake is a traditional version; Best
    Carrot Cake Ever, by Nan, involves precooking the carrots; Carrot
    Cake XII, made with canned, puréed carrots, is unfortunately a dud.
    Because the site relies mostly on targeted searches, the recipes that
    do well tend to be the ones that people already know they want: meat
    loaf, Cinnabon dupes, seven-layer dips. Often, the best-performing
    recipes have a smart but subtle hack. In the case of my apple pie, it
    was simmering butter with sugar first, then pouring the mixture over
    the lattice crust before baking, letting it glaze the crust and
    trickle down onto the fruit. This isn't the traditional way, but it
    results in a richer pie, with a crispy, caramelized crust.

    Since it started, Allrecipes has become a repository for more than a
    hundred and thirteen thousand crowdsourced recipes. Irma S.
    Rombauer's "Joy of Cooking," perhaps the most influential American
    cookbook of all time, has more than twenty million copies in
    circulation, since it was first self-published a century ago;
    Allrecipes.com reaches somewhere in the neighborhood of forty million
    home cooks each month. You won't see intricate methods or nerdy
    adventures in technique here--just recipes, backstories,
    transparently bad ideas, homespun strokes of genius, delicately
    Midwestern one-upmanship, and, collectively, one of the greatest
    archives of American food culture the country has produced.

    What is now Allrecipes began with a crew of archeology students at
    the University of Washington. Tim Hunt, Mark Madsen, Carl Lipo,
    Michael Pfeffer, and David Quinn, along with Dan Shepherd, a
    Web-designer friend of theirs, ran a scrappy Web company called
    Emergent Media, making sites for a range of customers (the Illinois
    Department for Natural Resources, Microsoft) using a shared Internet
    line and a few servers in an office cupboard. Domain names were
    abundant at the time, and the group wanted to start a site of their
    own. They tried out a few concepts: ultimatefrisbee.com,
    roadsidereviews.com (a kind of proto-Yelp), beerinstitute.com. Porn
    came up as one possibility, although when it went to a secret ballot
    the vote returned unanimous nos. They took a chance instead on
    something else they could bank on bored, Internet-surfing Americans
    seeking out, and registered the domain Cookierecipe.com.

    The site, created by Hunt and co-created by Sheperd, with the others
    as business partners, went live on July 28, 1997. The guys seeded the
    site with a few cookie recipes from family and friends, but the idea
    was that the contributions would ultimately be crowdsourced, with
    visitors uploading their own. They'd wondered whether people would
    bother typing out their recipes for no money or measurable reward,
    but they found themselves quickly inundated. Cooks sent in their
    recipes, e-mailed their entries to friends, bookmarked them, and
    printed them out in what amounted to an accidental guerrilla
    marketing campaign. There were Beatrice Savitz's Apricot Cookies,
    posted by her granddaughter; lemon bars submitted by Ingrid, from a
    German lady she met in Indiana more than twenty years prior; a chocolate-chip-cookie recipe attributed to Hillary Clinton. "There's
    always somebody in a friend group who goes, 'I hate their cookie
    recipe--my cookie recipe is better,'" David Quinn, one of the
    co-owners, said, recalling the site's early days. And besides, he
    added, "Every American wants to be famous, right?"

    Hunt, who was understood to be the Emergent team's database genius,
    realized that if a digital recipe archive was going to be successful
    it'd have to offer more than just straight instructions. Tech has
    been trying, and mostly failing, to improve on traditional cookbooks
    for a long time. The Honeywell kitchen computer, which débuted in the
    late sixties, was a paper-tape-reading meal-planning system that
    required the homemaker to code. By the eighties, home computers were
    being advertised as recipe-storing devices, but people seemed to
    spend more time on them making spreadsheets or playing games. The
    nineties saw the emergence of CD-ROM recipe books like the MasterCook
    series. All things considered, it was probably easier to use a book.

    With the growth of the Internet, people could finally start to
    exchange recipes rather than just hoard them. Usenet, an all-purpose mega-forum, had recipe-sharing message boards, but they were clunky
    and difficult to search. For a more comprehensive resource, you could
    go to Epicurious (tagline: "The taste of the web"), which scraped
    recipes from across the Condé Nast stable of magazines. There was
    also the more grassroots SOAR--the Searchable Online Archive of
    Recipes--built by a student at U.C. Berkeley. It was thorough,
    esoteric, and incredibly hard to follow.

    Cookierecipe.com had to be different. Hunt built in features that
    allowed users to search not just by ingredient but by multiple
    ingredients, and by ingredients they wanted to avoid. Users could
    convert from imperial to metric measures. Before Cookierecipe.com,
    most recipes online were just facsimiles of those offline--blocks of
    static text. But, over the first few years of the site, Hunt created
    a recipe matrix, where if you entered, say, your grandmother's
    chocolate-chip cookies it would be broken into discrete units of
    data. Instead of "a cup of flour," the database would place "one cup"
    in one column and "flour" in another. This made it possible for users
    to scale a recipe up or down in a single click. Before the advent of
    Google, Hunt and his team anticipated perhaps the biggest
    transformation in cookery of the past century: that once you had
    access to all the recipes in the world you'd need help finding what
    you were actually looking for.

    Cookierecipe started with a couple dozen recipes; by January, 1998,
    it had nearly eight hundred. The team expanded their territory to
    encompass Chickenrecipe.com, Cakerecipe.com, Pierecipe.com, Thanksgivingrecipe.com, and more. In 1999, at around the time these
    sites hit a million users combined, the group consolidated all the
    sites under the übergeneralist banner that they still use today: Allrecipes.com.

    I came across Banana Cake VI (Allrecipes has many) while looking for
    a dressed-up alternative to my usual dowdy, loaf-tin banana breads.
    The recipe was uploaded to Cakerecipe.com in 1999 by Cindy Carnes, a
    licensed nurse living in Melbourne, Iowa. It was a large,
    tray-bake-style banana cake with cream-cheese frosting and a
    preternaturally moist crumb--a recipe given to Carnes by a friend she
    had gone to visit. Buttermilk and lemon juice add gentle acidity,
    sharpening the banana flavor and keeping the fruit from browning so
    much; baking soda--rather than baking powder--gives instant lift. The
    real trick, though, is the technique. You cook the cake in a low
    oven, lower than most people would trust is going to work, and then
    put it in the freezer for forty-five minutes, right after you've
    pulled it out of the oven, to arrest the cooking process. It's a
    smart idea, especially for a large cake, for which it's easy to
    overbake the edges before the center is set. Carnes told me, of the
    friend who gave her the recipe, "her son worked in a bakery in St.
    Louis, and he said, 'That's what we do with all of our cakes.' I told
    her, 'We need to share this with the world.'"

    Today, Carnes is sixty-seven years old and lives in Glenwood, Iowa.
    Her mother ran a small restaurant called Val's Cafe. Carnes helped
    with making pies there, and still considers herself a baker. About
    twenty-five years ago, she was given some particularly great
    peanut-butter fudge, and when she asked for the recipe she was told
    it was online--somewhere called Allrecipes. "Back then, I wasn't on
    the Internet much," she said. She tracked down the recipe and found
    Creamy Peanut Butter Fudge, uploaded by a user named Janet Awaldt.
    That fudge, and Allrecipes, has been part of Carnes's cooking ever
    since.

    Carnes is pretty typical for an Allrecipes user. Most visitors to the
    site are women, with an average age in the fifties. She tends toward
    simple recipes. Carnes lives a forty-minute drive from the nearest
    decent grocery store, and she benefits from the skew toward recipes
    that don't involve too many from-scratch ingredients or, indeed, too
    many ingredients at all. When I asked Arie Knutson, Allrecipes'
    senior editorial director of features, whether any city or area is a
    particular stronghold, she stressed that the site is borderless, but
    anyone who has spent even five minutes on it will notice that it has
    a Midwestern lilt--to start, there are at least a hundred and eighty
    Jell-O salads. In a food-media world largely defined by the coasts,
    it is one of the most important sites cataloguing the culinary
    proclivities of the country's middle tranche.

    Like lots of Allrecipes users, Carnes has little time for the
    preciousness that establishment food media can sometimes promote.
    Take Martha Stewart: "She's telling us about the Madagascan vanilla
    beans." Carnes's voice, an Iowa singsong, can wend from weary to
    impassioned in the course of a single thought. "Well, honey,
    Martha--I'm going to break this to you gently. I'm not going to pay
    eight hundred dollars to make my own vanilla. I can get it for seven
    dollars at the grocery store." She looks, instead, for simplicity.
    Her Allrecipes uploads tend toward low-prep classics: a
    family-favorite olive cheese ball, a simple yet kaleidoscopic taco
    dip, and no-bake peanut-butter cookies. "I don't want to make my own
    sauce," she told me. That night's dinner was cabbage rolls, an
    Allrecipes number from a user going by Judy. In this preparation, the ground-beef filling is wrapped in a delicate cabbage-leaf caul, and
    then braised in canned tomato soup.

    In 2009, Christopher Kimball, the co-founder of America's Test
    Kitchen, wrote a eulogy for the late Gourmet magazine, the onetime
    home of such revered food writers as Ruth Reichl, James Beard, Laurie
    Colwin, M. F. K. Fisher, and Jonathan Gold. Kimball mourned it, and
    saw the loss as part of a bigger problem in American gastronomic
    life. It's a common complaint that, in the age of the Internet,
    everyone's a critic; the other side of this is that everyone's a
    chef. "Google 'broccoli casserole' and make the first recipe you
    find. I guarantee it will be disappointing," Kimball wrote. He didn't
    mention Allrecipes by name, although he didn't really need to. The
    site has always championed the expertise of ordinary home cooks. An
    early staff T-shirt depicted a wooden spoon in an upraised fist, with
    a slogan about "breaking the hegemony of tyrant chefs."

    Allrecipes exists in a long line of collectively authored recipe
    projects, which reflect vernacular cooking in granular and
    occasionally unflattering detail. Community cookbooks circulated by
    rotary associations, Girl Scout troops, synagogues, churches,
    sororities, and military wives' circles are perhaps the most prolific expression of American culinary thought; from the eighteen-fifties
    until the end of the century, recipes in the Times were mainly
    crowdsourced, and collected in a drab if effective home-economics
    section called "The Household." Amanda Hesser, the founder of Food52,
    curated an extensive selection of the recipes for the 2010 edition of
    "The Essential New York Times Cookbook." Among them were broiled
    steak with oysters and Boston cream doughnut. She told me, "It was a
    very candid look at: what were people thinking about? What were they
    needing to know?"

    In a 2002 article for the Times, under the headline "America's Real
    Foodie Bible," Regina Schrambling reported on the cultural heft of
    Taste of Home magazine--a publication that almost exclusively
    features reader-submitted recipes, and which, in 2002, many cooks
    outside the Midwest had never heard of. It was, at that point, the
    most popular cooking magazine in the country, its circulation of
    nearly five million more than that of Bon Appétit, Food & Wine, and
    Gourmet combined. Carnes vaguely remembers one of her recipes being
    printed there. It's the only food magazine that she ever subscribed
    to, until it got too expensive. By that point, she'd set up an
    Allrecipes account instead.

    By 2001, Allrecipes was the most popular recipe site on the Internet.
    A couple of years before, the co-owners had brought on a new C.E.O.,
    Bill Moore, who had conceived and launched the Starbucks Frapuccino
    and, as it happens, oversaw the MasterCook CD-ROMs. As food
    businesses took note of the site's some 3.5 million users, ad revenue increased, and brands like Hershey's and Quaker Oats began posting
    advertorial recipes on the site. Before long, Allrecipes was being
    courted for a buyout by precisely the establishment media that it had
    tried to disrupt.

    Although the site continued to grow, it never quite resolved a
    dilemma that had beset it from the start: does an autarky of
    passionate home cooks need an editor? When you give people the
    freedom to upload the recipes they love, you can bank on many of them
    being average and at least some of them being bad. Even a great cook
    may be inept at recipe writing, a complex exercise that involves
    carefully recording your work and anticipating any of the million
    places where an amateur might slip up.

    Early on, the co-owners developed a system for moderating the recipes
    as they were sent in--checking whether they were plagiarized;
    scanning for any glaring errors, like tablespoons of baking soda
    where it should have been teaspoons; adjudicating whether a
    submission was a recipe at all. ("Somebody tried to tell us to heat
    up a burrito and add a bottle of taco sauce to it, and nacho sauce,
    and add cheese and put it in the oven. This is not a recipe," Quinn
    recalled. "But I immediately went home and I was, like, 'This is
    awesome.'") So long as the recipe made sense, it was good enough to
    allow onto the site--and that's how something like Carrot Cake XII,
    the dud with the canned carrots, passed muster.

    But it quickly became obvious that the best approach was to let the
    cooks be the judge: it's the reviews, even more than the recipes,
    that make the site. Look at its all-time top recipes today--Good
    Old-Fashioned Pancakes, Easy Meatloaf, Taco Seasoning, To Die For
    Blueberry Muffins--all vetted by tens of thousands of home cooks, and
    all uploaded in Allrecipes' golden age, between 1998 and 2002, when
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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ben Collver on Wed Oct 2 05:18:00 2024
    Ben Collver wrote to All <=-

    Allrecipes, America's Most Unruly Cooking Web Site ==================================================

    by Ruby Tandoh

    A few months ago, I found myself in possession of a bag of apples and craving an apple pie, of the archetypal cooling-on-the-window-ledge variety. I pictured a double-crust flaky pastry around apple and cinnamon--not too complicated to make on a week night, but robust
    enough that I'd be able to slice a clean, thick wedge. Despite
    knowing how to make apple pie, I wanted the peace of mind that can
    come only from following a trusted recipe. I have more cookbooks than
    my bookshelves can support, including at least a dozen that could've proffered something reliable and extensively fussed over. I ignored
    them and Googled "apple pie recipe."

    I see you get the New Yorker feed, same as I do. Let me poin t you to
    another "old school" recipe web presence - Recipe Source

    https://www.recipesource.com/

    It's one of my go-to places for stuff not alreay in my database. Also:

    http://www.ruscuisine.com/recipes/

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Borsch
    Categories: Vegetables, Potatoes, Beef, Herbs, Soups
    Yield: 4 Servings

    1 lb (454 g) beef; bones optional
    1 lb (454 g) red beets; (3 beets)
    2 tb (30 mL) butter; divided
    1/2 lb (227 g) shredded cabbage
    4 sm Potatoes
    1 lg Carrot
    1 lg Onion
    3 tb Tomato paste
    2 cl Garlic; grated (opt)
    1 ts (5 mL) vinegar
    Salt & pepper
    Parsley, dill & spring onion
    - to garnish

    PREPARING MEAT BROTH: Put beef into a large saucepan and
    cover with 3 l cold water. Bring to a boil; reduce heat.
    Remove the grease and froth from the broth surface with
    a spoon. Add one onion. Cook at low heat for 1-2 hours.

    SIMMERING RED BEETS: Melt 1 tablespoon butter in a
    saucepan. Cut red beets into thin sticks and add them
    into the cooking pot. Add tomato paste or sliced
    tomatoes. Simmer at low heat for 1 hour. If there is not
    enough liquid, add some broth. Add vinegar.

    Pan-frying vegetables: Melt 1 tablespoon butter in a
    frying pan. Add chopped onion and carrots cut in thin
    sticks. Cover and saute for 15 minutes, stirring
    occasionally.

    Heat broth to boiling. Add chopped cabbage and potatoes
    cut into bars. Cook for 5 minutes. Add saute and cook
    another 10 minutes. Add simmered red beets. Cook another
    5 minutes. Add salt, black pepper.

    NOTE: If you like garlic, you can add about 5 g grated
    garlic, it is supposed to be in borsch. I don't like it
    and never add it here. Borsch is served with sour cream.

    Olga Timokhina

    Source: Olga's collection

    RECIPE FROM: http://www.ruscuisine.com

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  • From Ben Collver@1:124/5016 to Dave Drum on Wed Oct 2 10:57:02 2024
    Re: Allrecipes, America's Mos
    By: Dave Drum to Ben Collver on Wed Oct 02 2024 05:18:00

    I see you get the New Yorker feed, same as I do. Let me point you to another "old school" recipe web presence - Recipe Source

    https://www.recipesource.com/

    It's one of my go-to places for stuff not alreay in my database.

    Formerly known as SOAR, which was mentioned in the article. I've been
    updating a copy of that recipe database named MOAR.

    gopher://tilde.pink/1/~bencollver/recipes/

    You can access it in a web browser too.

    https://gopher.tildeverse.org/tilde.pink/1/~bencollver/recipes/
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Ben Collver on Wed Oct 2 12:22:32 2024
    Hi Ben,

    CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS MESSAGE <<


    But it quickly became obvious that the best approach was to let the
    cooks be the judge: it's the reviews, even more than the recipes,
    that make the site. Look at its all-time top recipes today--Good Old-Fashioned Pancakes, Easy Meatloaf, Taco Seasoning, To Die For Blueberry Muffins--all vetted by tens of thousands of home cooks, and
    all uploaded in Allrecipes' golden age, between 1998 and 2002, when

    Just a quick note--I've used Allrecipies from time to time, latest being
    a search for what to do with all the figs we were getting in
    July/August. I printed off about 4 recipies, tried two of them. The
    fresh fig bread was great, a keeper for us. OTOH, the fig scones were a flop--ended up very runny, baking up sort of like flat cookies. That
    recipe went into the paper recycle bag.

    Some years ago, probably close to 15 now, I couldn't find my recipe for
    sour cream (I used plain yogurt) pound cake. I went to Allrecipies,
    found one for lemon pound cake. I printed that off, made several tweaks
    to it and we loved it. I took it to our church's dessert auction for
    several years, often selling to one man in the $50. range. He was outbid
    at the last minute one year by someone else; we all had a good laugh
    over that. I'll have to hunt up the recipe and post it here.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ben Collver@1:124/5016 to Ruth Haffly on Thu Oct 3 14:29:52 2024
    Re: Allrecipes, America's Most Unruly Cooking Web Site [4]
    By: Ruth Haffly to Ben Collver on Wed Oct 02 2024 12:22:32

    I took it to our church's dessert auction for
    several years, often selling to one man in the $50. range. He was outbid
    at the last minute one year by someone else; we all had a good laugh
    over that. I'll have to hunt up the recipe and post it here.

    Fun story! I vote for using hyperbole in the recipe title.

    Ruth's Million Dollar Pound Cake Recipe

    :-)
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Ben Collver on Fri Oct 4 13:41:05 2024
    Hi Ben,

    Re: Allrecipes, America's Most Unruly Cooking Web Site [4]
    By: Ruth Haffly to Ben Collver on Wed Oct 02 2024 12:22:32

    I took it to our church's dessert auction for
    several years, often selling to one man in the $50. range. He was outbid
    at the last minute one year by someone else; we all had a good laugh
    over that. I'll have to hunt up the recipe and post it here.

    Fun story! I vote for using hyperbole in the recipe title.

    Ruth's Million Dollar Pound Cake Recipe

    :-)

    I've used something a little less flamboyant, like "Luciously Lovely
    Lemon Pound Cake". No matter what, it's a hit. I use lemon yogurt, lemon
    peel and lemon extract in the cake; the glaze has fresh lemon juice and
    lemon peel. It's not an overpowering lemony flavor, rather a fresh one.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
    rchaffly{at}earthlink{dot}net FIDO 1:396/45.28


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