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Regards Benny
Silly or not, please terminate your access to this forum.
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i find limited access silly
Regards Benny
Silly or not, please terminate your access to this forum.
changed, shouldn't there be some discussion between backbone star operators to arrive at a concensus??
No Mark. As moderator I see no need for other than Z1 Backbone Sysops to have access, indeed, as the name states Z1_BACKBONE. If you find a need
for an international echo, start one. :)
No Mark. As moderator I see no need for other than Z1 Backbone
Sysops to have access, indeed, as the name states Z1_BACKBONE. If
you find a need for an international echo, start one. :)
I have a hunch Canadian sysops would think Z1_BACKBONE "is" an international echo.
I have a hunch Canadian sysops would think Z1_BACKBONE "is" an international echo.
No?
Canadian sysops are in Z1.. so...
I always thought this area was open to all for the reasons mark
explained but the moderator has spoken.
No Mark. As moderator I see no need for other than Z1 Backbone
Sysops to have access, indeed, as the name states Z1_BACKBONE. If AI>BR>> you find a need for an international echo, start one. :)
I have a hunch Canadian sysops would think Z1_BACKBONE "is" an
international echo.
Canadian sysops are in Z1.. so...
I always thought this area was open to all for the reasons mark explained but the moderator has spoken.
Z1 Administrative forum. They are more than welcome to make use of the Echolist, as an example, but why would we want, or need, non-Z1 SysOps to have access to the NAB?
This is purely a technical decision. I have never been "across the pond" though
I have visited several Far East ports of call on leave from the Marine Corps while stationed on several Helicopter Carriers. :) I have no hangups about "foreigners" that I am aware of, though I do consider US interests before any others, good enough?
Mark did not make his case in my mind for any NEED for this. I welcome anyone to do so!
Canadian sysops are in Z1.. so...
It becomes disturbing when one has to explain the joke ...
Canadians live in another country, which effectively means Z1_BACKBONE
is distributed internationally in at least 2 countries ... and Texas.
People need to realize that nothing in echomail is safe. Any restricted Z1-style echo is accessible. Some people share it accidentally, some on purpose, some make it accessible via their BBS. I can see Z1C, Z1_ELECTION and other "direct".
Declaring it available "read-only" for non-Z1 individuals would be something.
Today I think the NAB serves Fidonet as a whole regardless of zone and
has done so for many years.
Do you mind if I make my case? :)
There may be moderators in other zones who need to interact with the backbone to have listings changed, added or removed.
It was my understanding that this area is where they did that,
although I could be wrong.
This is purely a technical decision. I have never been "across the pond" though
I have visited several Far East ports of call on leave from the Marine Corp while stationed on several Helicopter Carriers. :) I have no hangups about "foreigners" that I am aware of, though I do consider US interests before a others, good enough?
Today I think the NAB serves Fidonet as a whole regardless of zone
and has done so for many years.
Not always or necessarily a good thing, evolution.
Do you mind if I make my case? :)
There may be moderators in other zones who need to interact with the
backbone to have listings changed, added or removed.
It was my understanding that this area is where they did that,
although I could be wrong.
Doesn't seem "right", after all it IS the North American Backbone! Why let non-Z1 SysOps have access and the ability to change things? I'm not paranoid, just thinking, just common sense! I would rather have a non-Z1 SysOp work with a Z1 SysOp to change anything. Let a Z1 SysOp approve it and do submissions.
Echo Successfully Updated.
True enough. In the case of the NAB I hope that it has (or will)
evolve in a way that serves Fidonet as a whole.
On 10-11-18 10:27, Mark Lewis <=-
spoke to Ben Ritchey about Z1_BACKBONE Echolist Upda <=-
ummm... what?!!? this echo has been open to all fidonet zones since it
was started... how else is a moderator in another zone supposed
to post their elist update notice and request their echo be
carried on the backbone??
Well said -- and if they do not have access to this echo how are they supposed to request that their echo get distributed by the NAB?
changed, shouldn't there be some discussion between backbone star
operators to arrive at a concensus??
No Mark. As moderator I see no need for other than Z1 Backbone Sysops
to have access, indeed, as the name states Z1_BACKBONE.
If you find a need for an international echo, start one. :)
Canadian sysops are in Z1.. so... I always thought this area was open
to all for the reasons mark explained but the moderator has spoken.
Yes, though I simply stated I saw no need for non-Z1 SysOps to have access to a Z1 Administrative forum.
They are more than welcome to make use of the Echolist, as an example,
but why would we want, or need, non-Z1 SysOps to have access to the
NAB?
Do you mind if I make my case? :) There may be moderators in other
zones who need to interact with the backbone to have listings
changed, added or removed. It was my understanding that this area is
where they did that, although I could be wrong.
Doesn't seem "right", after all it IS the North American Backbone! Why let non-Z1 SysOps have access and the ability to change things?
Maybe Nick will weigh in on this, but I DO see your point, just no NEED.:(
Well said -- and if they do not have access to this echo how are they
supposed to request that their echo get distributed by the NAB?
They are not supposed to in my opinion, yet they have been allowed to
so ...
On 10-12-18 02:49, Ben Ritchey <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Z1_BACKBONE Echolist <=-
Well said -- and if they do not have access to this echo how are they supposed to request that their echo get distributed by the NAB?
They are not supposed to in my opinion, yet they have been allowed to
so ...
On 10-13-18 07:21, Ben Ritchey <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Z1_BACKBONE Echolist <=-
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