• when task manager is running in the system tray bug

    From Pray@the.church.com@1:261/20 to All on Sun Jan 1 10:39:00 2017
    Subject: when task manager is running in the system tray bug
    From: Black Baptist <pray@the.church.com>

    If task manager is running in the system tray and I eject a thumb or
    partable drive windows won't release the drive. Windows 10 X64

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  • From Always.look@message.header@1:261/20 to All on Sun Jan 1 15:54:00 2017
    From: John Doe <always.look@message.header>
    Subject: Re: when task manager is running in the system tray bug

    Black Baptist <pray@the.church.com> wrote:

    If task manager is running in the system tray and I eject a
    thumb or partable drive windows won't release the drive.
    Windows 10 X64

    I do not see the problem. What do you mean by "windows won't
    release the drive"? And how is that a problem?

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  • From Always.look@message.header@1:261/20 to All on Sun Jan 1 15:58:00 2017
    From: John Doe <always.look@message.header>
    Subject: Re: when task manager is running in the system tray bug

    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    Black Baptist <pray@the.church.com> wrote:

    If task manager is running in the system tray and I eject a
    thumb or partable drive windows won't release the drive.
    Windows 10 X64

    I do not see the problem. What do you mean by "windows won't
    release the drive"? And how is that a problem?

    And by the way... How can you eject a thumb drive? Does it shoot
    out of the USB port?

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  • From Nospam@needed.invalid@1:261/20 to All on Sun Jan 1 17:16:00 2017
    From: Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
    Subject: Re: when task manager is running in the system tray bug

    John Doe wrote:
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    Black Baptist <pray@the.church.com> wrote:

    If task manager is running in the system tray and I eject a
    thumb or partable drive windows won't release the drive.
    Windows 10 X64
    I do not see the problem. What do you mean by "windows won't
    release the drive"? And how is that a problem?

    And by the way... How can you eject a thumb drive? Does it shoot
    out of the USB port?

    In the Notification area, is a "Safely Remove" icon for USB
    flash sticks.

    It can dismount all the partitions on a plugged-in device,
    which causes the OS to do the equivalent of flush() and sync(),
    so that no cache on the OS has any of your files. On some
    Windows OSes, the Safely Remove operation causes the LED to
    go out on the USB flash stick. Which is an indication there
    is a state change. It is then safe to remove/unplug the stick.

    If you look at the Safely Remove icon and its built-in menu,
    even SATA drives, the drive containing C: will be listed.
    This happens if the controller port is in AHCI mode,
    and supports HotPlug. However, as soon as files like
    "pagefile.sys" indicate they are busy, the attempt to
    eject C: will fail. You cannot Safely Remove C: because
    of the busy files on it.

    As for why the Task Manager would actually have a handle
    on a data disk, that's a mystery. There is a thing called
    NTFS TXF (transaction oriented NTFS, which supports atomic
    file operations), and it causes data disks to remain busy.
    You might find a handle owned by "System, PID 4" for example,
    and attempts to get a program name lead no-where. In such a
    case, you cannot correlate what end-user software is
    using TXF, and figure out why some media cannot be
    unmounted.

    The Sysinternals handle.exe program, can give details
    on things with open handles. But in tough cases, only
    using Disk Management and putting a disk in "Offline"
    state, will cause it to be released. If it won't respond
    to Offline either, then there might well be an identifiable
    handle and source program doing it. Using handle.exe, or
    using Process Explorer (sysinternals.com) and the
    handle facility built into it, you can check whether
    there is an easy answer or not.

    Taskeng has no reason itself, to be examining any files.
    There's no guarantee Handle.exe will be allowed to tell you
    stuff about Taskeng. My lesson with TXF tells me that
    certain "features" of the OS, cannot be debugged by mere
    end-users.

    Paul

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  • From Imvalid@somewear.com@1:261/20 to All on Sun Jan 1 18:50:00 2017
    From: "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com>
    Subject: Re: when task manager is running in the system tray bug

    On Sun, 01 Jan 2017 23:16:33 -0000, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    John Doe wrote:
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    Black Baptist <pray@the.church.com> wrote:

    If task manager is running in the system tray and I eject a
    thumb or partable drive windows won't release the drive.
    Windows 10 X64
    I do not see the problem. What do you mean by "windows won't
    release the drive"? And how is that a problem?

    And by the way... How can you eject a thumb drive? Does it shoot
    out of the USB port?

    In the Notification area, is a "Safely Remove" icon for USB
    flash sticks.

    I don't bother with that. You had to do it with XP (as it delayed writing), bu t with later Windowses, just wait still it stops flashing, then pull it out.

    --
    Why don't niggers dream?
    The last one to have a dream got shot.

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  • From Always.look@message.header@1:261/20 to All on Mon Jan 2 06:15:00 2017
    From: John Doe <always.look@message.header>
    Subject: Re: when task manager is running in the system tray bug

    "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:

    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    John Doe wrote:
    John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

    Black Baptist <pray@the.church.com> wrote:

    If task manager is running in the system tray and I
    eject a thumb or partable drive windows won't release
    the drive. Windows 10 X64

    I do not see the problem. What do you mean by "windows
    won't release the drive"? And how is that a problem?

    And by the way... How can you eject a thumb drive? Does
    it shoot out of the USB port?

    In the Notification area, is a "Safely Remove" icon for
    USB flash sticks.

    I don't bother with that. You had to do it with XP (as it
    delayed writing), but with later Windowses, just wait still
    it stops flashing, then pull it out.

    I have had no problem removing a flash drive since Windows
    XP. Not sure if ever, really. I do wait until my operation is
    completed. Otherwise, nowadays it is no concern. I too pay
    attention to the flashing light, in addition to making sure I
    am not doing anything with the thumb drive. If it is booting,
    that is a good time to pay attention to the light. But if it
    is just being used for data, knowing that the operation has
    completed seems to be plenty.

    Occasionally I have looked at the system/notification tray
    icon, for what it is worth.

    Nowadays, the OS probably takes care of it for us. It certainly
    should.

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