• PKZIP for Win 7

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to All on Thu Sep 17 01:32:12 2015
    I am trying to migrate some of my BBS applications to my Win 7 pro,
    64-bit machine. I can run them all in a Win XP in a virtual window, but
    would like to get as far away from that as I can.

    Right now, the thing that has me stumped is getting a replacement for
    PKZIP and PKUNZIP that will run on 64 bit machine. Of course, I would
    prefer to find a freeware program.

    I've found several programs that will unzip files made with PKZIP, but
    none of them will zip into a PKZIP format -- as least as far as I can
    see.

    Does anyone have any suggestions?

    Thanks.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to Dale Shipp on Thu Sep 17 23:04:43 2015
    On 09/17/15, Dale Shipp pondered and said...

    I've found several programs that will unzip files made with PKZIP, but none of them will zip into a PKZIP format -- as least as far as I can
    see.


    Hi Dale. Have you tried Infozip ?

    Im fairly sure it plays nice in win x64

    Best, Paul

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Dale Shipp on Thu Sep 17 08:42:34 2015

    17 Sep 15 01:32, you wrote to All:

    I've found several programs that will unzip files made with PKZIP, but none of them will zip into a PKZIP format -- as least as far as I can
    see.

    Does anyone have any suggestions?

    have you looked at 7-zip?

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Paul Hayton on Thu Sep 17 09:48:10 2015

    17 Sep 15 23:04, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    I've found several programs that will unzip files made with PKZIP,
    but none of them will zip into a PKZIP format -- as least as far as I
    can see.

    Hi Dale. Have you tried Infozip ?

    i started to suggest that but when i went to provide the URL i was unable to find anything newer than ~2008 and certainly nothing 64bit...

    Im fairly sure it plays nice in win x64

    if 32bit can play in 64bit, then it may very well... too early and no coffee :(

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:229/452 to Dale Shipp on Thu Sep 17 11:03:18 2015
    Dale Shipp wrote to All <=-

    Right now, the thing that has me stumped is getting a replacement for PKZIP and PKUNZIP that will run on 64 bit machine. Of course, I would prefer to find a freeware program.

    Google for Infozip, those are the free opensource ones I've been using
    for years, work on just about any OS you can find too. :)

    Shawn


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  • From Alan Zisman@1:123/789 to mark lewis on Thu Sep 17 11:44:38 2015
    On 2015-09-17 5:42 AM, mark lewis -> Dale Shipp wrote:

    17 Sep 15 01:32, you wrote to All:

    I've found several programs that will unzip files made with PKZIP,
    but
    none of them will zip into a PKZIP format -- as least as far as I can
    see.

    Does anyone have any suggestions?

    have you looked at 7-zip?


    I've got a new HP Stream 11 - shipped with Win 8.1 and has been upgraded to Win
    10. It came with 7-Zip pre-installed, which seems to be working just fine with these newer Windows version.

    However, I'm curious what Dale means by 'PKZIP format' - is he referring to something other than standard *.zip archives?

    If it's just a standard *.zip file, no additional software is needed - either to unzip or to create a new compressed *.zip file - Windows for quite some time
    has included support for both unzipping and compressing - though it can be a bit awkward and non-intuitive.

    (For those who don't know how, right-click on the Desktop or some other location in Explorer where you want a compressed file; pick New from the context menu, then Compressed Folder. Give the new 'compressed folder' the name
    you'd like your *.zip file to have. Then copy the desired contents into that 'folder' - the copied files will be compressed.

    Similarly, Windows treats a *.zip file as a folder - double-clicking opens the folder and allows you to copy the contents from that folder to another location
    - uncompressing them along the way).

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1 to mark lewis on Thu Sep 17 21:12:34 2015

    17 Sep 15 09:48, you wrote to Paul Hayton:

    I've found several programs that will unzip files made with
    PKZIP, but none of them will zip into a PKZIP format -- as least
    as far as I can see.

    Hi Dale. Have you tried Infozip ?

    i started to suggest that but when i went to provide the URL i was
    unable to find anything newer than ~2008 and certainly nothing
    64bit...

    With cygwin you can have 64bit InfoZip.

    However, I'd prefer 7-Zip.

    'Tommi

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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to mark lewis on Fri Sep 18 07:57:14 2015
    On 09/17/15, mark lewis pondered and said...

    if 32bit can play in 64bit, then it may very well... too early and no coffee :(

    Heh 7.55am as I read this reply and I'm feeling the same way Mark :)

    Best, Paul

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mark Lewis on Thu Sep 17 23:06:00 2015
    On 09-17-15 08:42, Mark Lewis <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about PKZIP for Win 7 <=-

    I've found several programs that will unzip files made with PKZIP, but none of them will zip into a PKZIP format -- as least as far as I can
    see.

    Does anyone have any suggestions?

    have you looked at 7-zip?

    Yes I did. It unzips PKZIP files fine. But unless there is a setting I
    have not found, when it compresses files it does so in a 7Z format and
    not a PK format.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Alan Zisman on Thu Sep 17 23:08:02 2015
    On 09-17-15 11:44, Alan Zisman <=-
    spoke to Mark Lewis about PKZIP for Win 7 <=-

    I've got a new HP Stream 11 - shipped with Win 8.1 and has been
    upgraded to Win 10. It came with 7-Zip pre-installed, which seems to
    be working just fine with these newer Windows version.

    It works fine for compressing files that one might later want to
    decompress with 7Zip. However, if I use it to compress my mail packets
    for sending upstream, I am not sure that the receiver will be able to decompress -- especially if he uses only PKZIP.

    However, I'm curious what Dale means by 'PKZIP format' - is
    he referring to something other than standard *.zip
    archives?

    If you look at a compressed archive with a hex editor, you will see the
    first few characters that define the compression algorithm used. For
    PKZIP, the first two characters are PK (and then some other stuff). For
    7Zip, the first two characters are 7Z.

    If it's just a standard *.zip file, no additional software
    is needed - either to unzip or to create a new compressed
    *.zip file - Windows for quite some time has included
    support for both unzipping and compressing - though it can
    be a bit awkward and non-intuitive.

    There are a number of compression programs and algorithms. PKZIP, 7ZIP
    and RAR to name a few. It is not in windows that I am concerned about.
    It in preparing mail packets for sending to my uplink.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Paul Hayton on Thu Sep 17 23:58:10 2015
    On 09-17-15 23:04, Paul Hayton <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: PKZIP for Win 7 <=-

    I've found several programs that will unzip files made with PKZIP, but none of them will zip into a PKZIP format -- as least as far as I can
    see.


    Hi Dale. Have you tried Infozip ?

    Im fairly sure it plays nice in win x64

    I had been to the Infozip page, but got blocked when the download sites
    were frozen. Because of your suggestion, I went looking harder. I
    found WIZ which is a windows version (not of any use in my intended application) and then eventually found download sites for ZIP and UNZIP
    from the Infozip project. A brief test just now shows that they can
    create an archive in my 64 bit system which can be unpacked by my 16-bit PKUNZIP that I run in my virtual window using XP.

    Thanks -- I think I can make that work and then migrate at least some of
    my BBS things out of the virtual box into my actual Win7 system. I
    think that they might run a bit more smoothly there.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mark Lewis on Sat Sep 19 00:04:00 2015
    have you looked at 7-zip?

    Yes I did. It unzips PKZIP files fine. But unless there is a setting I have not found, when it compresses files it does so in a 7Z format and
    not a PK format.

    some deeper searching seems to turn up a command line option -t...

    7z.exe u -tzip classics.zip classics -r

    does that help?

    Very much so -- thanks. Now I have two possibles, 7z.exe with -tzip
    switch and the zip/unzip from infozip.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ben Ritchey on Sat Sep 19 00:05:02 2015
    On 09-18-15 14:55, Ben Ritchey <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: PKZIP for Win 7 <=-


    I use 7-Zip, the command line version (7ZA.EXE), works
    great for me (Win7Pro-64bit). Just specify -tZIP for Zip
    files (and include .Zip extension on file names). Holler if
    ya need :)

    Thanks for the response. It helps. I'll be testing some more soon.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From David Baldwin@3:770/100 to mark lewis on Sun Sep 20 13:31:48 2015
    try total commander it can do a lote of packer files zip and rar all amiga commodore files iso heaps more with plugins simple..

    David B

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Dale Shipp on Sat Sep 19 09:27:00 2015
    In a message dated 09-17-15, Dale Shipp said to Mark Lewis:

    Good morning Dale,

    have you looked at 7-zip?

    Yes I did. It unzips PKZIP files fine. But unless there is a
    setting I have not found, when it compresses files it does so in a
    7Z format and not a PK format.

    Have you confirmed that PKUNZIP or Infozips UNZIP cannot handle 7-ZIP compressed files?

    Have a nice day,

    Holger

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Shawn Highfield on Sat Sep 19 08:27:00 2015
    Shawn Highfield wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    Google for Infozip, those are the free opensource ones I've been
    using for years, work on just about any OS you can find too. :)

    I had to switch to those a while back when I was running a 32-bit OS
    without a lot of horsepower. Running a 32-bit native archiver made a
    difference when compared to running a 16-bit DOS archiver in a VDM.



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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Alan Zisman on Sat Sep 19 08:29:00 2015
    Alan Zisman wrote to mark lewis <=-

    I've got a new HP Stream 11 - shipped with Win 8.1 and has been
    upgraded to Win 10. It came with 7-Zip pre-installed, which seems to be working just fine with these newer Windows version.

    Does the Windows 10 upgrade take up any more disk space once it's
    upgraded? Like the Stream 11, they're very tempting.




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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to David Baldwin on Sun Sep 20 11:51:16 2015

    20 Sep 15 13:31, you wrote to me:

    try total commander it can do a lote of packer files zip and rar all
    amiga commodore files iso heaps more with plugins simple..

    why? we're talking about command line tools to automate operations within script files... total commander is a GUI thing and manually operated... not what we're looking for but thanks anyway ;)

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Holger Granholm on Sun Sep 20 11:52:46 2015

    19 Sep 15 09:27, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    have you looked at 7-zip?

    Yes I did. It unzips PKZIP files fine. But unless there is a
    setting I have not found, when it compresses files it does so in a
    7Z format and not a PK format.

    Have you confirmed that PKUNZIP or Infozips UNZIP cannot handle 7-ZIP compressed files?

    7-zip defaults to its 7z format... pkunzip can't recognize it because the signature "7Z" is different than "PK"...

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to Dale Shipp on Sun Sep 20 19:46:39 2015
    Re: PKZIP for Win 7

    I am trying to migrate some of my BBS applications to my Win 7 pro,
    64-bit machine. I can run them all in a Win XP in a virtual window, but would like to get as far away from that as I can.
    Right now, the thing that has me stumped is getting a replacement for
    PKZIP and PKUNZIP that will run on 64 bit machine. Of course, I would
    prefer to find a freeware program.
    I've found several programs that will unzip files made with PKZIP, but
    none of them will zip into a PKZIP format -- as least as far as I can
    see.
    Does anyone have any suggestions?

    I'm afraid unless something is available at pkware.com -- your only other choices are either WinZip or WinRAR (at least for Windows systems). And, most of the Windows related software nowadays has a trial period, and shuts down
    if you fail to register it. The only other thing I see if having a 32-bit system (which I do, Windows 7 32-bit), and so the PKWARE stuff for DOS still works.

    Daryl

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Holger Granholm on Sun Sep 20 23:15:00 2015
    On 09-19-15 09:27, Holger Granholm <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: PKZIP for Win 7 <=-

    have you looked at 7-zip?

    Yes I did. It unzips PKZIP files fine. But unless there is a
    setting I have not found, when it compresses files it does so in a
    7Z format and not a PK format.

    Have now been told of the setting to force 7z to use PK format.

    Have you confirmed that PKUNZIP or Infozips UNZIP cannot handle 7-ZIP compressed files?

    Yes. Without the -t parameter, 7-zip compresses using its own 7z
    format. The header is not even recognized by PKUNZIP. Don't know about
    unzip at this time. That project is on hold while I try to solve some
    other problems caused by migrating from Win XP to Win 10.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From ROBERT WOLFE@1:116/18 to Dale Shipp on Mon Sep 21 15:29:06 2015
    I am trying to migrate some of my BBS applications to my Win 7 pro,
    64-bit machine. I can run them all in a Win XP in a virtual window, but would like to get as far away from that as I can.

    Right now, the thing that has me stumped is getting a replacement for
    PKZIP and PKUNZIP that will run on 64 bit machine. Of course, I would prefer to find a freeware program.

    I've found several programs that will unzip files made with PKZIP, but
    none of them will zip into a PKZIP format -- as least as far as I can
    see.

    Use ZIP and UNZIP from info-zip.org. They have 32- and 64-bit Windows versions available.

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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Mark Lewis on Mon Sep 21 09:45:00 2015
    In a message dated 09-20-15, mark lewis said to Holger Granholm:

    19 Sep 15 09:27, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    Hi Mark,

    Have you confirmed that PKUNZIP or Infozips UNZIP cannot handle 7-ZIP compressed files?

    7-zip defaults to its 7z format... pkunzip can't recognize it
    because the signature "7Z" is different than "PK"...

    Thanks for the info. Of course I have noticed the first two characters
    of ZIP-files but I can't recall having seen PK up there in the top left
    corner. "MZ" plus an additional character seem to be common in both
    normal and PKLited files.

    Since my use of Windows is very limited I haven't looked into a 7Z file
    even though I do have 7Zip installed in a Lenovo laptop.


    Have a nice day,

    Holger

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Holger Granholm on Tue Sep 22 15:17:36 2015
    Hi! Holger,

    On 21/09/2015 9:45 AM, you wrote to Mark Lewis:

    Thanks for the info. Of course I have noticed the first two characters
    of ZIP-files but I can't recall having seen PK up there in the top left corner. "MZ" plus an additional character seem to be common in both
    normal and PKLited files.

    That's for .EXE programs. (FWIW, the "MZ" stands for Mark Zbikowksi who was the principal architect of DOS.) PK was part of the company name PKware, of .ZIP fame.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Daryl Stout on Tue Sep 22 07:20:17 2015
    Re: PKZIP for Win 7
    By: Daryl Stout to Dale Shipp on Sun Sep 20 2015 07:46 pm

    I'm afraid unless something is available at pkware.com -- your only other choices are either WinZip or WinRAR (at least for Windows systems). And, most of the Windows related software nowadays has a trial period, and shuts down if you fail to register it. The only other thing I see if having a 32-bit system (which I do, Windows 7 32-bit), and so the PKWARE stuff for DOS still works.

    There are 64 bit versions of 7-zip, and 32 bit version of InfoZip. Both have command-line versions that should work in modern Windows.
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Holger Granholm on Tue Sep 22 13:39:54 2015

    21 Sep 15 09:45, you wrote to me:

    Have you confirmed that PKUNZIP or Infozips UNZIP cannot handle 7-ZIP
    compressed files?

    7-zip defaults to its 7z format... pkunzip can't recognize it
    because the signature "7Z" is different than "PK"...

    Thanks for the info. Of course I have noticed the first two characters
    of ZIP-files but I can't recall having seen PK up there in the top left corner. "MZ" plus an additional character seem to be common in both
    normal and PKLited files.

    yes, MZ indicates one of the binary executable formats... there are several... PE is another one, IIRC... i think it indicates a type of windows executable...
    here's a link to a page with a lot of file signatures and their offsets...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_file_signatures

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  • From ROBERT WOLFE@1:116/18 to Kurt Weiske on Tue Sep 22 17:17:34 2015
    There are 64 bit versions of 7-zip, and 32 bit version of InfoZip. Both have ->command-line versions that should work in modern Windows.

    There is a 64-bit version of InfoZIP's zip and unzip utilities for Windows as well.



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  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Dale Shipp on Tue Sep 22 09:29:00 2015
    In a message dated 09-20-15, Dale Shipp said to Holger Granholm:

    Good morning Dale,

    Have now been told of the setting to force 7z to use PK format.

    Yes, I've seen that and saved the info.

    Have you confirmed that PKUNZIP or Infozips UNZIP cannot handle 7-ZIP

    Yes. Without the -t parameter, 7-zip compresses using its own 7z
    format. The header is not even recognized by PKUNZIP. Don't know
    about unzip at this time.

    I'll follow the evaluation <BG>.

    That project is on hold while I try to solve some other problems
    caused by migrating from Win XP to Win 10.

    I do also have that step ahead of me by updating my work machine from
    WIN 7 to 10 but luckily I run my other machines under OS/2.


    Have a nice day,

    Holger

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Sep 23 10:36:28 2015
    Re: PKZIP for Win 7

    There are 64 bit versions of 7-zip, and 32 bit version of InfoZip. Both have command-line versions that should work in modern Windows.

    The problem isn't the archivers...I have too many legacy 16-bit programs (including BBS doors) that won't work on Windows 10. So far, in testing
    things, they seem to work under Windows 7, so that's as far as I'm going, OS wise...whether or not Micr0$0ft likes it or not.

    Daryl

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Daryl Stout on Thu Sep 24 06:16:40 2015
    Re: PKZIP for Win 7
    By: Daryl Stout to Kurt Weiske on Wed Sep 23 2015 10:36 am

    The problem isn't the archivers...I have too many legacy 16-bit programs (including BBS doors) that won't work on Windows 10. So far, in testing things, they seem to work under Windows 7, so that's as far as I'm going, OS wise...whether or not Micr0$0ft likes it or not.

    Yeah, I mentioned before that I'm considering going back to 7, or at the most 8.1 with Start Menu 8. I like to use by desktop running VM as a BBS host, either as a backup for my BBS box or full-time, and I just don't have enough of a comfort level in Windows 10 for various reasons, including its automatic patching/rebooting.
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Daryl Stout on Thu Sep 24 23:30:02 2015
    On 09-23-15 10:36, Daryl Stout <=-
    spoke to Kurt Weiske about PKZIP for Win 7 <=-

    Re: PKZIP for Win 7

    There are 64 bit versions of 7-zip, and 32 bit version of InfoZip. Both have command-line versions that should work in modern Windows.

    The problem isn't the archivers...I have too many legacy 16-bit
    programs (including BBS doors) that won't work on Windows 10. So far,
    in testing things, they seem to work under Windows 7, so that's as far
    as I'm going, OS wise...whether or not Micr0$0ft likes it or not.

    Actually, my legacy 16-bit programs do not work in my version (64-bit)
    of windows 7. Much of my BBS system does work there -- Maximus, Squish
    and Argus work just fine now that I have switched out PKZIP for the
    infozip programs zip and unzip. I'm also able to run some other 16-bit programs using a modified version of DOSBOX called vDOS. It even allows
    me to send a print file to an application (I use editpad lite, but
    notepad would work equally well). The only thing that I cannot make
    work perfectly is my BlueWave reader. It works, but the vDOS version
    messes with the time stamp on the files. Hence, I am now running
    Bluewave in Win XP in a virtual window.

    The virtual window did not seem to work well for Argus -- it kept
    dropping internet connectivity, but as I said Argus runs in Win 7 now.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


    ... Shipwrecked on Hesperus in Columbia, Maryland. 23:35:32, 24 Sep 2015
    ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30

    --- Maximus/NT 3.01
    * Origin: Owl's Anchor (1:261/1466)
  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@1:218/109 to Daryl Stout on Thu Sep 24 19:53:44 2015


    There are 64 bit versions of 7-zip, and 32 bit version of InfoZip.
    Both have command-line versions that should work in modern Windows.
    The problem isn't the archivers...I have too many legacy 16-bit
    programs (including BBS doors) that won't work on Windows 10. So far,
    in testing things, they seem to work under Windows 7, so that's as
    far as I'm going, OS wise...whether or not Micr0$0ft likes it or not.
    I am running the 32 bit version of windows 10 on a virtual machine its not
    that bad right now. I am going to try and run several doors on it before i
    open the bbs to the public.

    ... [CE] ... A little rebellion now & then is necessary medicine for a healthy gu

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to Dale Shipp on Sun Sep 27 18:23:09 2015
    Re: Re: PKZIP for Win 7

    Kurt,

    The 16-bit works under 32-bit, but NOT 64-bit. I've got WinRAR to handle
    all my archives now...and am debating convering the entire filebase from ZIP and ARJ to RAR...although hard drive space is not an issue.

    Daryl

    --- Virtual Advanced Ver 2 for DOS
    * Origin: The Thunderbolt BBS (1:19/33)
  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sun Sep 27 18:24:04 2015
    Re: Re: PKZIP for Win 7

    I am running the 32 bit version of windows 10 on a virtual machine its not that bad right now. I am going to try and run several doors on it before i open the bbs to the public.

    I want to see if everything works right in Windows 7 32-bit, before even considering going to Windows 10. For that matter, if Windows 10 only has 64-bit, the discussion is CLOSED.


    --- Virtual Advanced Ver 2 for DOS
    * Origin: The Thunderbolt BBS (1:19/33)
  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@1:218/109 to Daryl Stout on Tue Sep 29 01:17:20 2015


    Daryl Stout (1:19/33) Sun Sep 27 18:24:04 2015
    even considering going to Windows 10. For that matter, if Windows 10
    only has 64-bit, the discussion is CLOSED.
    im running the 32 bit in a virtual machine right now.

    ... [CE] Think Diffrent(TM) Call a BBS today!

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: Inland Utopia (1:218/109.0)
  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Daryl Stout on Tue Sep 29 00:54:00 2015
    On 09-27-15 18:23, Daryl Stout <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: PKZIP for Win 7 <=-


    The 16-bit works under 32-bit, but NOT 64-bit. I've got WinRAR to
    handle all my archives now...and am debating convering the entire
    filebase from ZIP and ARJ to RAR...although hard drive space is not an issue.

    I ended up deciding on zip and unzip from infozip, using command line arguments. They work fine, and produce a format that would be
    complatible with PKZIP if that becomes necessary.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


    ... Shipwrecked on Hesperus in Columbia, Maryland. 00:56:16, 29 Sep 2015
    ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30

    --- Maximus/NT 3.01
    * Origin: Owl's Anchor (1:261/1466)
  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to MATTHEW MUNSON on Tue Sep 29 08:10:00 2015

    Daryl Stout (1:19/33) Sun Sep 27 18:24:04 2015
    even considering going to Windows 10. For that matter, if Windows 10 only has 64-bit, the discussion is CLOSED.
    im running the 32 bit in a virtual machine right now.

    I was not too pleased with the Upgrade to Win 10 on my Laptop but
    decided to also do the Desktop, After making a clone drive of win 7 in
    case I decided to go back.

    I am totally unhappy with the new File Explorier.
    Any suggestions form those here for something close to the Win 7 file explorier.

    Typo tom
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  • From MATTHEW MUNSON@1:218/109 to Tom Walker on Tue Sep 29 17:46:16 2015


    TOM WALKER (1:123/140) Tue Sep 29 08:10:00 2015
    I am totally unhappy with the new File Explorier. Any suggestions
    form those here for something close to the Win 7 file explorier.

    try the xyplorer program.

    ... [CE] Computer Hacker wanted. Must have own axe.

    --- WWIVToss v.1.51
    * Origin: Inland Utopia (1:218/109.0)
  • From Alan Zisman@1:123/789 to Kurt Weiske on Wed Sep 30 00:18:06 2015
    On 2015-09-19 8:29 AM, Kurt Weiske -> Alan Zisman wrote:
    Alan Zisman wrote to mark lewis <=-

    I've got a new HP Stream 11 - shipped with Win 8.1 and has been
    upgraded to Win 10. It came with 7-Zip pre-installed, which seems
    to be
    working just fine with these newer Windows version.

    Does the Windows 10 upgrade take up any more disk space once it's upgraded? Like the Stream 11, they're very tempting.

    Upgrading an earlier version, Win10 archives the previous version and saves
    it in an OldWindows folder which is automatically removed after 30 days.

    Being short of space - 32 GB SSD - I used the Windows Cleanup utility to remove
    it right after installation. Once that was done, the Win10 installation seemed about the same size as the original Win 8.1 one.

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  • From TOM WALKER@1:123/140 to MATTHEW MUNSON on Wed Sep 30 07:36:00 2015

    TOM WALKER (1:123/140) Tue Sep 29 08:10:00 2015
    I am totally unhappy with the new File Explorier. Any suggestions
    form those here for something close to the Win 7 file explorier.

    try the xyplorer program.

    Looks like what I am looking for, thanks

    Typo Tom
    ---
    ■ SLMR 2.1a ■ Typo Tom Strkes Again
    * Origin: Check Out Doc's QWK Mail Via Web BBS > DocsPlace.org (1:123/140)