• Black conservatives/Repub

    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Fri Nov 11 14:54:00 2022
    The statement (mine) that lead to your "single-issue" comment was there are Black conservatives/Republicans who seem better
    ducated
    you or I, and I asked why you thought that was.
    So, now you are saying that they are not smart enough to see
    hrou
    such a "lie"?
    Anyone can be duped. There are very smart people that believe that "trickle-down" economics works for everyone, despite the wage (and
    eal
    gap that's been expanding since Reagan introduced "voodoo economics."
    The single-issue lie you mentioned is a pretty long-lived one. I don't think these well-educated people would stay duped that long.

    The idea of "trickle-down" economics has survived this long despite zero evidence of it helping the middle class, so *somebody* must be buying into
    t.

    Again, I don't think they are single issue people.

    I think it is more along the lines of they have realized the Democrat Party does not have as much to offer them, and may have even pivoted away from
    their values.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Fri Nov 11 14:49:00 2022
    Travel distance is not the only parameter to consider. Traffic at the site should also be considered. Only one person can use the single drop box at a time.

    All you do is drop a ballot in. Traffic there matters no more than the
    line at the polling place... even less so.

    They would not face near the congestion at that drop box that urban voters would. In rural Texas counties, the county seat is much more important than in urban Texas counties. One-stoplight towns don't tend to have their own tax offices, courthouse, etc., but rely on the county seat to fulfill that need. The towns that are the county seats often are not that big themselves and so only have one tax office, one courthouse, etc. This seems to work well for them.

    In contrast, large ubran cities often have more than one county tax office (usually a main one and some branches) and more than one courthouse, because that's what's needed to serve the community. And that seems to work well for them.

    I am certain that drop box is also not their only polling place.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Fri Nov 11 14:49:00 2022
    On 10 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Plus Arbery wasn't a politician.
    There's no rule that politically-motivated crimes have to target
    oliti
    In this case, it was quite likely racially motivated. I don't see any political motivation, unless we are going to go to the point where all violent acts are politically motivated.

    It was racially-motivated violence intended to send a message.

    It was a bunch of dumbasses who thought a black jogger didn't belong in
    their neighborhood. You are stretching very hard to try to hook a
    political motive to it.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Fri Nov 11 16:21:03 2022
    On 11 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Again, I don't think they are single issue people.
    I think it is more along the lines of they have realized the Democrat Party does not have as much to offer them, and may have even pivoted
    away from their values.

    That would depend on which values (i.e., issues) are important to them,

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Fri Nov 11 16:29:04 2022
    On 11 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Travel distance is not the only parameter to consider. Traffic at the si should also be considered. Only one person can use the single drop box a time.
    All you do is drop a ballot in. Traffic there matters no more than the line at the polling place... even less so.

    And yet, there are polling places all over the county. Of course traffic matters because with only one drop box people from all over the densely-populated county are trying to get to it.

    Harris County has a population of 4.728 million as of 2021. If less than a quarter of those people -- 1,000,000 people -- each took one second to drop their ballot in the box, people would be dropping off ballots 7 days a week,
    24 hours a day, 60 minutes an hour, 60 seconds a minute for over eleven and a half days.

    They would not face near the congestion at that drop box that urban vote would. In rural Texas counties, the county seat is much more important t in urban Texas counties. One-stoplight towns don't tend to have their ow offices, courthouse, etc., but rely on the county seat to fulfill that n The towns that are the county seats often are not that big themselves an only have one tax office, one courthouse, etc. This seems to work well f them.
    I am certain that drop box is also not their only polling place.

    No, it's not, but it's supposed to be convenient. What's the harm in having more than one drop box per county? Is it that too many people might vote too easily?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Fri Nov 11 16:53:35 2022
    On 11 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    There's no rule that politically-motivated crimes have to target
    oliti
    In this case, it was quite likely racially motivated. I don't see political motivation, unless we are going to go to the point where violent acts are politically motivated.
    It was racially-motivated violence intended to send a message.
    It was a bunch of dumbasses who thought a black jogger didn't belong in their neighborhood. You are stretching very hard to try to hook a political motive to it.

    At least one of the murderers shared white supremacist items on social media, and prominent leaders of white supremacist groups are trying to crowd-fund their appeals. White supremacy, in that it espouses changing the balance of rights between racial/ethnic groups, is inherently political.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sat Nov 12 10:36:00 2022
    Again, I don't think they are single issue people.
    I think it is more along the lines of they have realized the Democrat Party does not have as much to offer them, and may have even pivoted away from their values.

    That would depend on which values (i.e., issues) are important to them,

    In this area of the country, Democrats who have either moved over entirely
    or that vote for Republicans on the national level usually seem concerned
    about the Democrat Party stance on abortion, their perceived lack of
    concern for persons who live in rural areas/"those red states", etc, and
    their perceived lack of respect for religion. Those are just a few of the issues I hear mentioned.

    I would imagine that those living in the nearby city might look at their
    crime rates, police brutality, etc., and realize it has not gotten any
    better (but worse) over several decades of Democrats as mayor, which might
    make them start looking elsewhere. They may also be concerned about other things listed above.

    Returning to the original subject of why some seemingly well educated
    persons in minority groups might turn Republican, I see several of those
    issues brought up. Not just one.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sat Nov 12 10:07:00 2022
    Harris County has a population of 4.728 million as of 2021. If less than a quarter of those people -- 1,000,000 people -- each took one second to drop their ballot in the box, people would be dropping off ballots 7 days a week, 24 hours a day, 60 minutes an hour, 60 seconds a minute for over eleven and a half days.

    All you have to do is drop the ballot in.

    They would not face near the congestion at that drop box that urban vot
    would. In rural Texas counties, the county seat is much more important in urban Texas counties. One-stoplight towns don't tend to have their o
    offices, courthouse, etc., but rely on the county seat to fulfill that The towns that are the county seats often are not that big themselves a
    only have one tax office, one courthouse, etc. This seems to work well them.
    I am certain that drop box is also not their only polling place.

    No, it's not, but it's supposed to be convenient. What's the harm in having more than one drop box per county? Is it that too many people might vote too easily?

    If it was their only means of voting, you might have a point. As it is, I
    am guessing it is one of at least three.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sat Nov 12 10:29:02 2022
    On 12 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Again, I don't think they are single issue people.
    I think it is more along the lines of they have realized the Democr Party does not have as much to offer them, and may have even pivote away from their values.
    That would depend on which values (i.e., issues) are important to them,
    In this area of the country, Democrats who have either moved over
    entirely or that vote for Republicans on the national level usually seem concerned about the Democrat Party stance on abortion, their perceived lack of concern for persons who live in rural areas/"those red states", etc, and their perceived lack of respect for religion. Those are just a few of the issues I hear mentioned.

    By the same person?

    I would imagine that those living in the nearby city might look at their crime rates, police brutality, etc., and realize it has not gotten any better (but worse) over several decades of Democrats as mayor, which
    might make them start looking elsewhere. They may also be concerned
    about other things listed above.

    I could imagine a lot of things.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sat Nov 12 10:35:25 2022
    On 12 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Harris County has a population of 4.728 million as of 2021. If less than quarter of those people -- 1,000,000 people -- each took one second to d their ballot in the box, people would be dropping off ballots 7 days a w 24 hours a day, 60 minutes an hour, 60 seconds a minute for over eleven half days.
    All you have to do is drop the ballot in.

    Well, if you're in line, you have to advance forward when the person in front of you moves forward, and then drop the ballot in. A single second seems generous. But at a single second per drop nonstop, 1 million people would
    take 11.5 days to put their ballots in the box.

    They would not face near the congestion at that drop box that urb vot
    would. In rural Texas counties, the county seat is much more impo in urban Texas counties. One-stoplight towns don't tend to have t o
    offices, courthouse, etc., but rely on the county seat to fulfill The towns that are the county seats often are not that big themse a
    only have one tax office, one courthouse, etc. This seems to work them.
    I am certain that drop box is also not their only polling place.
    No, it's not, but it's supposed to be convenient. What's the harm in hav more than one drop box per county? Is it that too many people might vote easily?
    If it was their only means of voting, you might have a point. As it is,
    I am guessing it is one of at least three.

    Nevertheless, there's absolutely no legitimate reason to only have one per county irrespective of the counties' population differences.

    There's also no legitimate reason to move the opening time for Sunday early voting from 11am to 1pm, when it's well known that many Black churches have "Souls to the Polls" events at which they all go directly from church to vote.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sun Nov 13 10:20:00 2022
    In this area of the country, Democrats who have either moved over entirely or that vote for Republicans on the national level usually seem concerned about the Democrat Party stance on abortion, their perceived lack of concern for persons who live in rural areas/"those red states", etc, and their perceived lack of respect for religion. Those are just a few of the issues I hear mentioned.

    By the same person?

    Same multiple persons, yes.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sun Nov 13 10:26:00 2022
    If it was their only means of voting, you might have a point. As it is, I am guessing it is one of at least three.

    Nevertheless, there's absolutely no legitimate reason to only have one per county irrespective of the counties' population differences.

    The original arguement was that there should not be one per county for
    urban counties. If you are going to change the arguement and say that all counties should have more than one, that is no longer a special request for certain areas and I cannot disagree.

    There's also no legitimate reason to move the opening time for Sunday early voting from 11am to 1pm, when it's well known that many Black churches have "Souls to the Polls" events at which they all go directly from church to vote.

    Would you want members of a conservative "white" church going from a
    service where their conservative white preacher got them fired up about
    certain candidates, amendments, etc., going directly from church to vote?

    To me that is like thinking having polling hours immediately after a Trump rally is a good idea. If you want people who make their individual
    choices, I would think having any group going to the polls directly from
    what was likely (from the title) a groupthink session would be a bad idea.


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