• From the past???

    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sat Nov 5 10:28:00 2022
    Some BBSes (including mine, I think) allow people to post via NNTP, like in a newsgroup. Some NNTP readers default to ALL. I can remember when all newsgroup posts were to ALL and you could not select an individual to
    address it to, unless you responded via email.

    You remember when, as in... the past? He could find a BBS that conforms to the standards, such as they are. It's a wide, wide world, and although Aaron says that Roman knows first-hand what it's like to live under communism, where is Roman presently that he doesn't have access to BBSs around the world?

    Well, you like retro tech and that is from the past, right? ;)

    Some users prefer to use news readers to access BBS messages. I prefer QWK mail as it allows me to "jump around" in a message very easily, and allows
    me to use the editor of my choice, which some news readers also do.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sat Nov 5 11:58:27 2022
    On 05 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Some BBSes (including mine, I think) allow people to post via NNTP, in a newsgroup. Some NNTP readers default to ALL. I can remember all newsgroup posts were to ALL and you could not select an individ to
    address it to, unless you responded via email.
    You remember when, as in... the past? He could find a BBS that conforms the standards, such as they are. It's a wide, wide world, and although A says that Roman knows first-hand what it's like to live under communism, where is Roman presently that he doesn't have access to BBSs around the world?
    Well, you like retro tech and that is from the past, right? ;)

    I do, and most of my posts are typed on an Atari 800XL. But somehow I still manage to follow the posting etiquette.

    Some users prefer to use news readers to access BBS messages. I prefer QWK mail as it allows me to "jump around" in a message very easily, and allows me to use the editor of my choice, which some news readers also
    do.

    I have not seen any other users with these particular posting quirks. At the very least, messages should be addressed properly.

    Jeff.

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  • From Roman Petrovich@2:250/5 to All on Sat Nov 5 20:14:32 2022
    In principle, nowhere on NewsGroups did indicate that I was writing in FIDO.
    I saw the group #politics in the list and subscribed to it. On all Usenet networks, no one has ever complained about my operating system and client. Yes, many BBSs support external programs. And I can write here from any BBS, basically. The question is different. Why would you allow BBS to use your network if you know perfectly well that BBS are not only vulnerabilities,
    but also support NewsGroups clients. If you want to comply with standards, disable any software that does not support these standards. If you can't implement it, then you don't have any standards. Therefore, I have to
    express my respect to you. And leave FIDONet which is designated as
    #polititcs in my list, which is nowhere designated as such for me. Good luck and prosperity under communism for all commi.

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    Some BBSes (including mine, I think) allow people to post via NNTP,
    like
    in a newsgroup. Some NNTP readers default to ALL. I can remember
    when
    all newsgroup posts were to ALL and you could not select an
    individual to
    address it to, unless you responded via email.

    You remember when, as in... the past? He could find a BBS that conforms
    to
    the standards, such as they are. It's a wide, wide world, and although
    Aaron
    says that Roman knows first-hand what it's like to live under communism,
    where is Roman presently that he doesn't have access to BBSs around the
    world?

    Well, you like retro tech and that is from the past, right? ;)

    Some users prefer to use news readers to access BBS messages. I prefer
    QWK
    mail as it allows me to "jump around" in a message very easily, and allows
    me to use the editor of my choice, which some news readers also do.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sun Nov 6 08:54:00 2022
    Some users prefer to use news readers to access BBS messages. I prefer QWK mail as it allows me to "jump around" in a message very easily, and allows me to use the editor of my choice, which some news readers also do.

    I have not seen any other users with these particular posting quirks. At the very least, messages should be addressed properly.

    You must not get around much.

    The only rule regarding addressing in this echo is that one use their real
    name in the TO. He does not appear to be breaking that one or any others.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROMAN PETROVICH on Sun Nov 6 09:04:00 2022
    In principle, nowhere on NewsGroups did indicate that I was writing in FIDO.

    It is a FIDO network echo.

    I saw the group #politics in the list and subscribed to it. On all Usenet networks, no one has ever complained about my operating system and client.

    Where did you find it listed as #politics? I assume it is on a BBS?

    Yes, many BBSs support external programs. And I can write here from any BBS, basically.

    Correct, you can.

    implement it, then you don't have any standards. Therefore, I have to
    express my respect to you. And leave FIDONet which is designated as #polititcs in my list, which is nowhere designated as such for me. Good luck and prosperity under communism for all commi.

    Jeff is not the moderator here, so you can feel free to ignore his attempts
    to moderate your posts, just as he can ignore your posts if he does not
    like the way they are formatted.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sun Nov 6 16:33:03 2022
    On 06 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Some users prefer to use news readers to access BBS messages. I pr QWK mail as it allows me to "jump around" in a message very easily, allows me to use the editor of my choice, which some news readers a do.
    I have not seen any other users with these particular posting quirks. At very least, messages should be addressed properly.
    You must not get around much.
    The only rule regarding addressing in this echo is that one use their
    real name in the TO. He does not appear to be breaking that one or any others.

    I never said he was breaking a rule; he was failing to follow convention.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sun Nov 6 17:02:14 2022
    On 06 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    implement it, then you don't have any standards. Therefore, I have to express my respect to you. And leave FIDONet which is designated as #polititcs in my list, which is nowhere designated as such for me. Good and prosperity under communism for all commi.
    Jeff is not the moderator here, so you can feel free to ignore his attempts to moderate your posts, just as he can ignore your posts if he does not like the way they are formatted.

    I did not attempt to "moderate" any posts. Clearly he can post however he wants, but I'm also permitted to clarify conventions.

    A couple of other conventions of interest to me are the use of 80 columns when posting, and the convention of using both upper- and lower-case letters. These are somewhat difficult to follow on the Atari 8-bit computers and PDP-8, respectively. But hey, whatever, right?

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Mon Nov 7 15:51:40 2022
    Hello Everybody,

    [..]

    Jeff is not the moderator here, so you can feel free to ignore his
    attempts to moderate your posts, just as he can ignore your posts MP>if
    he does not like the way they are formatted.

    "Please ignore that man behind the curtain" Dorothy said to Toto ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Mon Nov 7 16:26:00 2022
    A couple of other conventions of interest to me are the use of 80 columns when >posting, and the convention of using both upper- and lower-case letters. These >are somewhat difficult to follow on the Atari 8-bit computers and PDP-8, >respectively. But hey, whatever, right?

    Either Synchronet, or some of the third party online editors that people
    use with it, store messages in a string. That is, you see it wrap on the screen while you are entering it but, in reality, it is not wrapped. Since most FTN mail packets store messages in strings longer than 80 bytes, I am
    not sure it matters too much.

    However, for folks like you and me, it can cause trouble.
    SLMR and/or QWK is expecting things to have already been wrapped, which can make it more difficult to read. Since I am the one using the older
    software to read the message, I figure it is my problem and I make due.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Mon Nov 7 21:29:50 2022
    On 07 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    A couple of other conventions of interest to me are the use of 80 columns >posting, and the convention of using both upper- and lower-case letters. >are somewhat difficult to follow on the Atari 8-bit computers and PDP-8, >respectively. But hey, whatever, right?
    Either Synchronet, or some of the third party online editors that people use with it, store messages in a string. That is, you see it wrap on the screen while you are entering it but, in reality, it is not wrapped. Since most FTN mail packets store messages in strings longer than 80 bytes, I am not sure it matters too much.
    However, for folks like you and me, it can cause trouble.
    SLMR and/or QWK is expecting things to have already been wrapped, which can make it more difficult to read. Since I am the one using the older software to read the message, I figure it is my problem and I make due.

    Normally, word wrapping is ok, but there is one prominent instance in which
    it is not, and that's quoting quoted text. So if I quoted Aaron and you
    quoted me quoting Aaron, the "AT>" (or however your system annotates a quote) should appear after a "JT>" at the beginning of a line. If it were word-wrapped, one would expect to see "JT>" at the beginning of each quoted line, but the "AT>" could be located anywhere in a line. Generally, the convention seems to be that if the quote marker causes a line to exceed 80 columns, then the line is truncated. However, sometimes the line is wrapped, but with a carriage return at the end of the original line, so that when a
    line is wrapped there are only one or two words on the second line.

    Jeff.

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