• Re: Cancel Culture stupid

    From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Oct 31 07:57:28 2022
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Roman Petrovich <=-

    They are like bees; the media is the "queen bee," and Bjorn, Jeff, and
    a few other insane people are the "drone bees," and the only thing that "drone bees" do for their colony is reproduce offspring.

    I think that's a bad analogy. No female would reproduce with them.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron L. on Mon Oct 31 08:57:59 2022
    On 31 Oct 2022, Ron L. said the following...
    They are like bees; the media is the "queen bee," and Bjorn, Jeff, an a few other insane people are the "drone bees," and the only thing th "drone bees" do for their colony is reproduce offspring.
    I think that's a bad analogy. No female would reproduce with them.

    Dude, project much? There's an entire movement comprised of mysogynistic conservatives that can't get laid.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Mon Oct 31 15:25:04 2022
    They are like bees; the media is the "queen bee," and Bjorn, Jeff, an a few other insane people are the "drone bees," and the only thing th "drone bees" do for their colony is reproduce offspring.

    I think that's a bad analogy. No female would reproduce with them.

    Jeff has a better chance since he's already experienced all the terror and repression of Communism in Texas. Plus he's an experienced bee keeper.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Mon Oct 31 16:22:00 2022
    You're the one claiming that bee hives contain an entire class of subversives. But, as usual, I don't suspect you have any evidence for that.

    Actually he said in this case meaning in this echo, not a real beehive.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Mon Oct 31 16:35:00 2022
    Dude, project much? There's an entire movement comprised of mysogynistic conservatives that can't get laid.

    I am not certain they all are politically conservative, but they are
    definately mysogynists. From what I can tell, most of them are young and
    not too bright.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Oct 31 16:29:00 2022
    They are like bees; the media is the "queen bee," and Bjorn, Jeff, and a few other insane people are the "drone bees," and the only thing that "drone bees"
    do for their colony is reproduce offspring.

    A better analogy would be the fable of the Ant and the Grasshopper.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Mon Oct 31 17:18:49 2022
    On 31 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    You're the one claiming that bee hives contain an entire class of subversives. But, as usual, I don't suspect you have any evidence for th
    Actually he said in this case meaning in this echo, not a real beehive.

    He portrayed drone bees as apathetic to the health of the hive.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Mon Oct 31 17:21:09 2022
    On 31 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Dude, project much? There's an entire movement comprised of mysogynistic conservatives that can't get laid.
    I am not certain they all are politically conservative, but they are definately mysogynists. From what I can tell, most of them are young and not too bright.

    Conservativism seeks to "conserve" the existing hierarchical structure of society, or that of some time in the past. Our society has, in the past, been quite mysogynistic. These people embracy mysogyny as a hierarchical
    structure, and therefore are conservative.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Mon Oct 31 17:31:55 2022
    On 31 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    They are like bees; the media is the "queen bee," and Bjorn, Jeff, and a other insane people are the "drone bees," and the only thing that "drone bees"
    do for their colony is reproduce offspring.
    A better analogy would be the fable of the Ant and the Grasshopper.

    Yep, with the shortsighted members of society just worried about how to
    manage the next quarter or win the next election, versus members of society wishing to make long-term investments in our country.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Tue Nov 1 08:43:40 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    You're the one claiming that bee hives contain an entire class of
    subversives. But, as usual, I don't suspect you have any evidence
    for th
    Actually he said in this case meaning in this echo, not a real
    beehive.

    He portrayed drone bees as apathetic to the health of the hive.

    Drone bees (all male) serve only one purpose - to impregnate
    the maiden queen in nuptial flight. Once their mission has been
    accomplished, worker bees (all female) keep drone bees around
    for the next queen.

    Drone bees have no stinger, and can not harm the queen.
    Worker bees have a stinger, and die once they use that stinger.
    So it stands to reason that only drone bees care for the health
    of the hive, as no hive could survive without them.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 1 00:47:10 2022
    They are like bees; the media is the "queen bee," and Bjorn, Jeff, and a other insane people are the "drone bees," and the only thing that "drone bees"
    do for their colony is reproduce offspring.

    A better analogy would be the fable of the Ant and the Grasshopper.

    Yes, that would have been better. Leftists are grasshoppers and conservatives are the ants.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tue Nov 1 16:18:00 2022
    You're the one claiming that bee hives contain an entire class of subversives. But, as usual, I don't suspect you have any evidence for t
    Actually he said in this case meaning in this echo, not a real beehive.

    He portrayed drone bees as apathetic to the health of the hive.

    Yes, in the case of this echo.

    Unlike other bees, drones may be somewhat apathetic. They are only bred by
    the workers for mating with the queen. I have never had any impression that they contribute anything else to the hive and, once one is chosen to mate, the others are killed and, IIRC, the one that mates is also killed once that is over.

    I doubt they have much time for caring about the health of the hive.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tue Nov 1 16:06:00 2022
    Conservativism seeks to "conserve" the existing hierarchical structure of society, or that of some time in the past. Our society has, in the past, been quite mysogynistic. These people embracy mysogyny as a hierarchical structure, and therefore are conservative.

    So, you are saying one cannot find any non-conservative, or even liberal, mysogynists? That is most certainly not correct.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 1 16:27:20 2022
    On 01 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    He portrayed drone bees as apathetic to the health of the hive.
    Yes, in the case of this echo.

    Nope. Aaron stated that as a fact about bees and then, in the case of this echo, claimed that they were also subversive.

    Unlike other bees, drones may be somewhat apathetic. They are only bred by the workers for mating with the queen. I have never had any
    impression that they contribute anything else to the hive and, once one
    is chosen to mate, the others are killed and, IIRC, the one that mates
    is also killed once that is over.

    Their act of mating is for the good of the hive. If they were apathetic, they would not mate. If they were acting in their own interest, they would not
    mate and be subsequently killed.

    I doubt they have much time for caring about the health of the hive.

    Caring for the health of the hive is hard-wired into their DNA. All of their insticts serve the health of the hive. Survival of the species and all that.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 1 16:31:18 2022
    On 01 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Conservativism seeks to "conserve" the existing hierarchical structure o society, or that of some time in the past. Our society has, in the past, quite mysogynistic. These people embracy mysogyny as a hierarchical structure, and therefore are conservative.
    So, you are saying one cannot find any non-conservative, or even liberal, mysogynists? That is most certainly not correct.

    Mysogynists certainly trend conservative. The "Incel" movement was actually started by a woman, but once it was comandeered by its current members it definitely trends conservative.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 1 16:55:44 2022
    On 01 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Conservativism seeks to "conserve" the existing hierarchical structure o society, or that of some time in the past. Our society has, in the past, quite mysogynistic. These people embracy mysogyny as a hierarchical structure, and therefore are conservative.
    So, you are saying one cannot find any non-conservative, or even liberal, mysogynists? That is most certainly not correct.

    Most white members of the "Incel" movement are white supremacists, and
    strongly oppose inter-racial marriages involving white women due to those
    women now being unavailable to white men. A significant portion of the
    movement is comprised of people of color and the two groups are united by
    their hatred of women.

    "Incels" don't only have problems, though. They have solutions for those problems, too! Most of their solutions involve authoritarianism, curtailing
    the rights of women, and subjugating women to men. That sounds very similar
    to the teachings of right-Wing Evangelical Christianity to me, and right-wing Evangelical Christianity is, well, right-wing.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 2 01:54:54 2022
    Hello Aaron,

    They are like bees; the media is the "queen bee," and Bjorn, Jeff,
    and a
    other insane people are the "drone bees," and the only thing that
    "drone
    bees"
    do for their colony is reproduce offspring.

    A better analogy would be the fable of the Ant and the Grasshopper.

    Yes, that would have been better. Leftists are grasshoppers and conservatives
    are the ants.

    Both are edible. Especially when coated in chocolate. And lets not
    forget crickets. Cue the crickets.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Wed Nov 2 03:40:30 2022
    You're the one claiming that bee hives contain an entire class of
    subversives. But, as usual, I don't suspect you have any
    evidence for t
    Actually he said in this case meaning in this echo, not a real
    beehive.

    He portrayed drone bees as apathetic to the health of the hive.

    Yes, in the case of this echo.

    Aaron made a general statement, non-specific to this echo or any other
    group.

    Unlike other bees, drones may be somewhat apathetic. They are only
    bred by the workers for mating with the queen.

    You are one stupid fuck. Worker bees are female, and do not breed.

    I have never had any impression that they contribute anything else to the
    hive and, once one is chosen to mate, the others are killed and, IIRC, the one that mates is also killed once that is over.

    Bull fucking shit, you stupid moron. A drone's only role is to mate
    with a maiden queen in nuptial flight. Worker bees do everything else,
    such as gathering nectar or pollen.

    Drones have no stingers, so they are no threat to a maiden queen.
    But worker bees, all of them female, do have stingers. Used only as
    a last-resort measure to save their beloved drones, who are kept
    around for the time when the new queen is ready to be serviced ...

    I doubt they have much time for caring about the health of the hive.

    Worker bees serve the drones who serve the queen ...

    For Life,
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Wed Nov 2 02:27:11 2022
    Unlike other bees, drones may be somewhat apathetic. They are only bred by the workers for mating with the queen. I have never had any
    impression that they contribute anything else to the hive and, once one
    is chosen to mate, the others are killed and, IIRC, the one that mates
    is also killed once that is over.

    Hold on now Mike, you can't tell a professional beekeeper (Jeff) stuff about bees! He already knows better than you do! ;)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Nov 2 02:31:05 2022
    Most white members of the "Incel" movement are white supremacists, and strongly oppose inter-racial marriages involving white women due to those women now being unavailable to white men. A significant portion of the movement is comprised of people of color and the two groups are united by their hatred of women.

    You spend a lot of time reading about racial stuff, especially white
    supremacy. Were you attacked by a white supremacist? That would totally explain it. I'd research it a lot tooi if it happened to me.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 2 08:16:10 2022
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    A better analogy would be the fable of the Ant and the Grasshopper.

    Yes, that would have been better. Leftists are grasshoppers and conservatives are the ants.

    How true. But we need to be more like the ants and turn our backs on the grass-smokers... er.. grasshoppers and let them lie in their own beds.

    But this brings back a memory I had of when I was younger. By then, I had already been exposed to Aesop's Fables, so I heard the story. But one of the kid shows that I watched showed a slightly different story.

    At the end, the ants, instead of turning their backs on the grasshopper, instead helped him and the grasshopper in turn played songs for them and fed them good memories of warm times (i.e. he contributed little and took much).

    The Elitists have been working for a long time to destroy our culture.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 2 07:24:36 2022
    On 02 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Unlike other bees, drones may be somewhat apathetic. They are only b by the workers for mating with the queen. I have never had any impression that they contribute anything else to the hive and, once o is chosen to mate, the others are killed and, IIRC, the one that mate is also killed once that is over.
    Hold on now Mike, you can't tell a professional beekeeper (Jeff) stuff about bees! He already knows better than you do! ;)

    The social nature of bees is well-documented, for those who choose to look
    for it. You clearly have not.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 2 07:32:52 2022
    On 02 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Most white members of the "Incel" movement are white supremacists, an strongly oppose inter-racial marriages involving white women due to t women now being unavailable to white men. A significant portion of th movement is comprised of people of color and the two groups are unite their hatred of women.
    You spend a lot of time reading about racial stuff, especially white supremacy.

    I am capable of empathizing with people who are different from me. You, on
    the other hand, spend a lot of time trying to minimize the threat posed
    by white supremacy, or pretend that it doesn't exist.

    Were you attacked by a white supremacist?

    No.

    That would totally
    explain it.

    It might, but you'd be wrong yet again.

    I'd research it a lot tooi if it happened to me.

    But presumably not until then? Trying to justify your ignorance by accusing
    me of knowing too much because I actually take the time to learn a bit about things before spewing BS about them is not going to work.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Wed Nov 2 13:33:26 2022
    How true. But we need to be more like the ants and turn our backs on the grass-smokers... er.. grasshoppers and let them lie in their own beds.

    Democrats might allow peasant people to smoke grass, but with all these unprecedented money grabs, and unprecedented border wall removals, it seems like elected crats are doing harder, more expensive drugs.

    At the end, the ants, instead of turning their backs on the grasshopper, instead helped him and the grasshopper in turn played songs for them and fed them good memories of warm times (i.e. he contributed little and
    took much).

    The old cartoon is outdated; a black grasshopper (minority) being helped by
    the majority (ants) is not compatible with today's propaganda. A more appropriate version would have the grasshopper getting anti-borax treatment
    for pesticide while the ants die of respiratory failure.

    The Elitists have been working for a long time to destroy our culture.

    That's smart on their part because equality isn't their ticket to power.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Nov 2 13:48:52 2022
    The social nature of bees is well-documented, for those who choose to
    look for it. You clearly have not.

    Do they ever sting through your bee suit?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Nov 2 13:55:20 2022
    You spend a lot of time reading about racial stuff, especially white supremacy.

    I am capable of empathizing with people who are different from me. You,
    on the other hand, spend a lot of time trying to minimize the threat
    posed by white supremacy, or pretend that it doesn't exist.

    If you admit that "white supremacy exists," which you just have admitted, then you are saying that whites are supreme. What's so supreme about them?

    But presumably not until then? Trying to justify your ignorance by accusing me of knowing too much because I actually take the time to
    learn a bit about things before spewing BS about them is not going to work.

    I'm glad that you learn a bit about things before spewing your BS about them, but you should consider the credibility of eye witnesses to be of higher value than that of propagandists on TV.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 2 09:32:43 2022
    On 02 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    The social nature of bees is well-documented, for those who choose to look for it. You clearly have not.
    Do they ever sting through your bee suit?

    Perhaps a better fable for you would be "Sour Grapes."

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 2 09:37:13 2022
    On 02 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    You spend a lot of time reading about racial stuff, especially w supremacy.
    I am capable of empathizing with people who are different from me. Yo on the other hand, spend a lot of time trying to minimize the threat posed by white supremacy, or pretend that it doesn't exist.
    If you admit that "white supremacy exists," which you just have
    admitted, then you are saying that whites are supreme. What's so supreme about them?

    Nice try at weaseling your way out, but we both know that by "white
    supremacy" we are talking about white supremacist beliefs and organizations.

    But presumably not until then? Trying to justify your ignorance by accusing me of knowing too much because I actually take the time to learn a bit about things before spewing BS about them is not going to work.
    I'm glad that you learn a bit about things before spewing your BS about them, but you should consider the credibility of eye witnesses to be of higher value than that of propagandists on TV.

    I do not get my information from propagandists on TV. And you've already admitted that your "eye witness" is biased, plus anecdotal evidence is generally considered to be of low value.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Nov 2 17:49:00 2022
    You spend a lot of time reading about racial stuff, especially white supremacy. Were you attacked by a white supremacist? That would totally explai
    it. I'd research it a lot tooi if it happened to me.

    I am waiting for him to tell us about how the mysogynist Harvey Weinstein
    was really a conservative. Epstein, too.

    He has given a lot of free publicity lately to Kanye, too. If it were not
    for Jeff, I would know nothing about what all Kanye had said until Jeff repeated it here.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wed Nov 2 17:53:00 2022
    The social nature of bees is well-documented, for those who choose to look for it. You clearly have not.

    I still say you are wrong about the drones. Only one of them contributes anything to the hive. The others all just free load off of the workers
    until they kill them.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Nov 2 17:11:16 2022
    On 02 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    You spend a lot of time reading about racial stuff, especially white supremacy. Were you attacked by a white supremacist? That would totally explai
    it. I'd research it a lot tooi if it happened to me.
    I am waiting for him to tell us about how the mysogynist Harvey Weinstein was really a conservative. Epstein, too.

    Weinstein and Epstein were definitely not part of the "incel" movement. They may have taken advantage of women, but they did not exhibit the sheer hatred for women that the "incels" do.

    He has given a lot of free publicity lately to Kanye, too. If it were
    not for Jeff, I would know nothing about what all Kanye had said until Jeff repeated it here.

    Try reading the news sometime. It's a great way to keep up on current events.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Nov 2 18:25:19 2022
    On 02 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    The social nature of bees is well-documented, for those who choose to lo for it. You clearly have not.
    I still say you are wrong about the drones. Only one of them contributes anything to the hive. The others all just free load off of the workers until they kill them.

    Oh, and which one is that? Are you assuming that only one of the drones mates with the queen bee?

    Also, research has shown that when when bees -- both workers and drones -- detect that the hive is getting too cold or too warm, they work together to regulate the temperature of the hive by shivering or moving air with their wings, respectively.

    The workers don't kill the drones, nor does the queen. They die as a result
    of mating, or of natural causes.

    Jeff.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Nov 3 01:10:00 2022
    On 11-02-22 02:31, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Cancel Culture stupid <=-

    You spend a lot of time reading about racial stuff, especially white supremacy. Were you attacked by a white supremacist? That
    would totally explain

    Yes -- many of us were attacked. We were attacked at Charlottesville,
    we were attacked on January 6 and multiple other times when white
    nationalists applied their hate on the nation of which we are a part.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Roman Petrovich@2:250/5 to All on Thu Nov 3 10:17:35 2022
    Sir, do you understand that this is a response to your "cultural terrorism"? Marcuso's "cultural terror" ideology, which the WEF "agenda" hosters adhere to, involves provocative behavior in order to provoke a negative reaction. "Cultural terror", like "environmental terror", "Lgbt terror" is a common practice of cultural Marxists. The natural reaction of people in this case
    is to protect themselves from the "red militants". You cannot terrorize people, create problems for them in everyday life with your "passive
    cultural terrorist aggression" and then demand that they do not protect
    their families. Everything has consequences. Even if the communists convince you that you are, of course, fighting for the truth. But this is just a
    "red" political technology.

    <Dale Shipp>
    On 11-02-22 02:31, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Cancel Culture stupid <=-

    You spend a lot of time reading about racial stuff, especially white supremacy. Were you attacked by a white supremacist? That
    would totally explain

    Yes -- many of us were attacked. We were attacked at Charlottesville,
    we were attacked on January 6 and multiple other times when white nationalists applied their hate on the nation of which we are a part.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Roman Petrovich on Thu Nov 3 06:27:21 2022
    On 03 Nov 2022, Roman Petrovich said the following...
    Sir, do you understand that this is a response to your "cultural terrorism"? Marcuso's "cultural terror" ideology, which the WEF "agenda" hosters adhere to, involves provocative behavior in order to provoke a negative reaction. "Cultural terror", like "environmental terror", "Lgbt terror" is a common practice of cultural Marxists. The natural reaction
    of people in this case is to protect themselves from the "red
    militants". You cannot terrorize people, create problems for them in everyday life with your "passive cultural terrorist aggression" and then demand that they do not protect their families. Everything has consequences. Even if the communists convince you that you are, of
    course, fighting for the truth. But this is just a "red" political technology.

    Advocating for human rights is not "cultural terrorism."

    If anything, the often violent reaction to people advocating for human rights is "cultural terrorism."

    Jeff.

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  • From Roman Petrovich@2:250/5 to All on Thu Nov 3 14:45:18 2022
    Ok, tovarish

    <Jeff Thiele>
    On 03 Nov 2022, Roman Petrovich said the following...
    Sir, do you understand that this is a response to your "cultural terrorism"? Marcuso's "cultural terror" ideology, which the WEF
    "agenda"
    hosters adhere to, involves provocative behavior in order to provoke a negative reaction. "Cultural terror", like "environmental terror",
    "Lgbt
    terror" is a common practice of cultural Marxists. The natural
    reaction
    of people in this case is to protect themselves from the "red
    militants". You cannot terrorize people, create problems for them in everyday life with your "passive cultural terrorist aggression" and
    then
    demand that they do not protect their families. Everything has consequences. Even if the communists convince you that you are, of course, fighting for the truth. But this is just a "red" political technology.

    Advocating for human rights is not "cultural terrorism."

    If anything, the often violent reaction to people advocating for human rights
    is "cultural terrorism."

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Roman Petrovich on Thu Nov 3 09:19:01 2022
    On 03 Nov 2022, Roman Petrovich said the following...
    Ok, tovarish

    I'm glad you agree. Maybe now you can figure out how to address your posts to individuals instead of "All" and maybe even learn how to put your coments
    after the things you're quoting, like everyone else here does.

    Jeff.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Thu Nov 3 21:11:27 2022
    I'm glad you agree. Maybe now you can figure out how to address your
    posts to
    individuals instead of "All" and maybe even learn how to put your comments after the things you're quoting, like everyone else here does.

    I don't think that is possible. As I pointed out some time ago, he's posting to a so called BBS that is using 20th century usenet software (you know, everything addressed to ALL, top quoting, and antiquated stuff like that) and, as I pointed out the messages even violate the Fidonet standard (FTS-9), and thus should be banned from ever posting a single message via the Fido network.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thu Nov 3 18:06:00 2022
    I am waiting for him to tell us about how the mysogynist Harvey Weinstein
    was really a conservative. Epstein, too.

    Weinstein and Epstein were definitely not part of the "incel" movement. They may have taken advantage of women, but they did not exhibit the sheer hatred for women that the "incels" do.

    We were talking about mysogynists. Someone else brought up incels and conservatives. They also brought up that not all of them are white, which
    I think goes against an earlier point about them being white supremacists.

    He has given a lot of free publicity lately to Kanye, too. If it were not for Jeff, I would know nothing about what all Kanye had said until Jeff repeated it here.

    Try reading the news sometime. It's a great way to keep up on current events.

    If I was reading the news, I am pretty sure I would be skipping over
    stories about what Kanye said and reading ones about our current inflation problem and other things that actually affect me and most other Americans.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Thu Nov 3 18:30:00 2022
    You spend a lot of time reading about racial stuff, especially white supremacy. Were you attacked by a white supremacist? That
    would totally explain

    Yes -- many of us were attacked. We were attacked at Charlottesville,

    Charlottesville was one person.

    we were attacked on January 6 and multiple other times when white nationalists applied their hate on the nation of which we are a part.

    But we were not attacked with "antifa" was attacking public buildings and private businesses in Portland and Seattle, or when business were attacked
    and burned, during the Summer of 2020 riots in places like Minneapolis and
    St. Louis? People were killed in both of those examples, too.

    I know, those were not white supremacists or nationalists but they were attacks. White supremacists were not the only busy beavers over the past
    2+ years, and every time one of those non-white supremacists attacks
    appears to go unchecked, we are leaving the door open for others to see
    that behavior and assume it is ok to cause their own trouble later.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROMAN PETROVICH on Thu Nov 3 18:21:00 2022
    Sir, do you understand that this is a response to your "cultural terrorism"? Marcuso's "cultural terror" ideology, which the WEF "agenda" hosters adhere to, involves provocative behavior in order to provoke a negative reaction. "Cultural terror", like "environmental terror", "Lgbt terror" is a common practice of cultural Marxists. The natural reaction of people in this case
    is to protect themselves from the "red militants". You cannot terrorize people, create problems for them in everyday life with your "passive
    cultural terrorist aggression" and then demand that they do not protect
    their families. Everything has consequences. Even if the communists convince you that you are, of course, fighting for the truth. But this is just a
    "red" political technology.

    They are not likely to connect the dots between allowing violent protests
    for other reasons with "white nationalists" events that happen latter.

    Leave the door open for one where the people share your views, you are going
    to get others coming through the door that don't.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thu Nov 3 18:22:00 2022
    Advocating for human rights is not "cultural terrorism."

    It is when it becomes violent, which you only want to acknowledge when it
    is pointed out and you have to.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thu Nov 3 18:48:52 2022
    On 03 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Weinstein and Epstein were definitely not part of the "incel" movement. may have taken advantage of women, but they did not exhibit the sheer ha for women that the "incels" do.
    We were talking about mysogynists. Someone else brought up incels and conservatives. They also brought up that not all of them are white,
    which I think goes against an earlier point about them being white supremacists.

    They are not all white, but white supremacists make up a large portion of
    them.

    He has given a lot of free publicity lately to Kanye, too. If it w not for Jeff, I would know nothing about what all Kanye had said un Jeff repeated it here.
    Try reading the news sometime. It's a great way to keep up on current ev
    If I was reading the news, I am pretty sure I would be skipping over stories about what Kanye said and reading ones about our current
    inflation problem and other things that actually affect me and most
    other Americans.

    That depends on how much you want to read. I can't be held responsible for
    what you choose not to read.

    Also, while inflation is at a 40-year high, corporate profits are at a
    50-year high. Imagine that.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thu Nov 3 19:06:40 2022
    On 03 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    They are not likely to connect the dots between allowing violent protests for other reasons with "white nationalists" events that happen latter.

    There are no dots to connect. The George Floyd protests were largely non-violent (although some violence did occur) and their goal was to bring attention to the failure of police to respect the rights of black people.

    Charlottesville was about white supremacy, the exact opposite.

    The 1/6 insurrection (to include the false electors, etc.) was an attempt to subvert the rights of American voters by keeping Trump in office by force.

    Liberal protests tend to be about expanding or asserting rights, while conservative protests tend to be about suppressing the rights of others.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thu Nov 3 19:09:13 2022
    On 03 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Advocating for human rights is not "cultural terrorism."
    It is when it becomes violent, which you only want to acknowledge when it is pointed out and you have to.

    There was some violence in the George Floyd riots, but it was small compared
    to the number of peaceful protesters. By and large, protesters advocating for human rights are peaceful.

    Jeff.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Fri Nov 4 07:24:18 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-

    But we were not attacked with "antifa" was attacking public buildings
    and private businesses in Portland and Seattle, or when business were attacked and burned, during the Summer of 2020 riots in places like Minneapolis and St. Louis? People were killed in both of those
    examples, too.

    But for the Ignorant Elitists, it's always "Rules for thee, but not for me."

    **They** are justified in whatever actions they do because their cause is "just". But no one else can do those same things to them.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Björn Felten on Fri Nov 4 01:22:11 2022
    stuff like that) and, as I pointed out the messages even violate the Fidonet standard (FTS-9), and thus should be banned from ever posting a single message via the Fido network.

    Banning people who don't agree with you is gay.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Fri Nov 4 16:39:00 2022
    Advocating for human rights is not "cultural terrorism."
    It is when it becomes violent, which you only want to acknowledge when it
    is pointed out and you have to.

    There was some violence in the George Floyd riots, but it was small compared to the number of peaceful protesters. By and large, protesters advocating for human rights are peaceful.

    There was more riots and violence over those multiple days than on 1/6.
    There wwas more "antifa" violence during the same period in Seattle and Portland than there was on 1/6.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Fri Nov 4 16:43:00 2022
    But for the Ignorant Elitists, it's always "Rules for thee, but not for me."

    **They** are justified in whatever actions they do because their cause is "just". But no one else can do those same things to them.

    That is on display pretty regular here.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Fri Nov 4 19:28:07 2022
    On 04 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Advocating for human rights is not "cultural terrorism."
    It is when it becomes violent, which you only want to acknowledge w it
    is pointed out and you have to.
    There was some violence in the George Floyd riots, but it was small comp to the number of peaceful protesters. By and large, protesters advocatin human rights are peaceful.
    There was more riots and violence over those multiple days than on 1/6. There wwas more "antifa" violence during the same period in Seattle and Portland than there was on 1/6.

    Perhaps, but it was spread across the entire nation, and choosing to leave
    out most domestic terrorism is cherry-picking.

    For example, in terms of deaths, the Oklahoma City bombing was worse than all three, and it was committed by a right-winger who happened to dislike our government very much.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Fri Nov 4 20:57:52 2022
    On 04 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    **They** are justified in whatever actions they do because their cause i "just". But no one else can do those same things to them.
    That is on display pretty regular here.

    Who does the far-right prey upon? Immigrants, people of color, drag queens,
    the LQBTQ+.

    Except for the 2nd amendment, everything the right does involves curtailing rights, not expanding them. And the 2nd amendment is only an exception
    because they want to be able to prepare for physical violence if threats and property damage don't accomplish their goals.

    The only way that the right can maintain power is by limiting the rights of
    the people. The only way that they can win an election is by controlling who
    is able to vote.

    You spoke earlier about communism needing authoritarianism to maintain
    control; we are seeing that right here in our own country, except it's not
    the communists; it's the "patriots."

    Jeff.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mike Powell on Sat Nov 5 01:06:00 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-

    But we were not attacked with "antifa" was attacking public buildings
    and private businesses in Portland and Seattle, or when business were attacked and burned, during the Summer of 2020 riots in places like Minneapolis and St. Louis? People were killed in both of those
    examples, too.

    IMO, those riots were from groups of people taking advantage of the
    situation, and that those people were not from any organized group like
    the white nationalists are. As to Portland and Seattle, I'm not sure
    who was behind those events. In every case, I do not agree with the destruction of property or life -- no matter what the political leaning
    of those participating in the events. Those who participate in such destruction should be caught and prosecuted -- no matter what their
    political leaning is ( if any).

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sat Nov 5 10:54:00 2022
    Perhaps, but it was spread across the entire nation, and choosing to leave out most domestic terrorism is cherry-picking.

    Choosing to leave ANY domestic terrorism out is cherry-picking, which is
    what one of us (not me) generally does.

    I also find it odd that you questioned things from "the past" in one
    message, and then have to dredge up examples from the past, to blanace out
    more recent events, in others.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sat Nov 5 10:56:00 2022
    Who does the far-right prey upon? Immigrants, people of color, drag queens, the LQBTQ+.

    Who does the far-left prey upon to stay in power? Those same groups.
    Who do they prey upon ("against")? People who have religion, people who live in rural areas, people with jobs in sectors they don't like, people who say things they don't like, people who want to have a say in their child's education.

    That last one is important, as it feeds into who is doing what to stay in control:

    You spoke earlier about communism needing authoritarianism to maintain control; we are seeing that right here in our own country, except it's not the communists; it's the "patriots."


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Sat Nov 5 10:56:00 2022
    IMO, those riots were from groups of people taking advantage of the situation, and that those people were not from any organized group like
    the white nationalists are. As to Portland and Seattle, I'm not sure
    who was behind those events. In every case, I do not agree with the destruction of property or life -- no matter what the political leaning
    of those participating in the events. Those who participate in such destruction should be caught and prosecuted -- no matter what their
    political leaning is ( if any).

    Assuming they were not "false flag" events, which we all know is crazy conspiracy theory territory, Portland and Seattle were left-wing groups.

    I agree 100% with your conclusion.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sat Nov 5 11:45:00 2022
    On 05 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Perhaps, but it was spread across the entire nation, and choosing to lea out most domestic terrorism is cherry-picking.
    Choosing to leave ANY domestic terrorism out is cherry-picking, which is what one of us (not me) generally does.

    Except that's what you've done in this case.

    I also find it odd that you questioned things from "the past" in one message, and then have to dredge up examples from the past, to blanace
    out more recent events, in others.

    Past FidoNet practices and historical violence are two very different things.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sat Nov 5 11:55:38 2022
    On 05 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Who does the far-right prey upon? Immigrants, people of color, drag quee the LQBTQ+.
    Who does the far-left prey upon to stay in power? Those same groups.

    No, they don't.

    Who do they prey upon ("against")? People who have religion,

    Leftists tend to have no problem with religion as long as people don't try to force their religious beliefs upon others, or make others follow their religion's rules.

    That is very apparent in the struggle for LGBTQ+ rights, a struggle in which the left is supportive of LGBTQ+ persons, not preying on them.

    people who
    live in rural areas,

    How so?

    people with jobs in sectors they don't like

    Climate change is an emergency. That is nothing personal against coal miners, etc.

    people who want to have a say in their
    child's education.

    The people who want to ban books or certain topics of discussion are largely doing so because they want to force their beliefs on others or refuse to
    accept reality.

    That last one is important, as it feeds into who is doing what to stay in control:

    You spoke earlier about communism needing authoritarianism to maintain control; we are seeing that right here in our own country, except it's n the communists; it's the "patriots."

    Indeed. Conservatives are trying to corrupt the educational system to advance their beliefs.

    Jeff.

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